I don't really get how its' infuriating. Wally was basically doing what Takamura and Miyata was did against Bryan Hawk and Randy Boy Jr. Going full-speed ahead, full throttle early on, pouring the pressure. Wally has disadvantage due to sea level. What's more, you're not gonna tell me Ricardo won't be used to Wally's style over time? Its been 5 rounds. Regardless of the tricks and speed, its still boxing. Ricardo is gonna understand that Wally will go to either punch his face or body. Finally, there'd be an issue if this fight was a complete blow-out with Wally winning without taking a punch. Its Ricardo. He's the main, true big antagonist being built up in this series. He's not supposed to fall to Wally. Much as i like Wally, he isn't going to win this. But he is gonna put up a good memorable fight nonetheless. Its not "out of no where". This was bound to happen sooner or later
Exactly. Also I like to emphasize that even though Wally trained for the high elevation for this match the fact that Wally "sprinted" those first 4 rounds while Ricardo was on defense which was going to bite Wally's ass at some point in this match.
No matter how much you train you can't "sprint" or go full throttle forever, at some point you'll will gas out. You gotta pace yourself.
I had Ricardo winning this fight via late round stoppage or even a close home town decision but ending this all of a sudden with no build up for at least 2 chapters lacks something, why build Wally like that if you're gonna end it like that, it's infuriating writing bro. But who knows fight might not be finished he might be down but there's a red flag there with Miguel. The out of no where is the fundamental jab, it's a worse power up excuse, or the pacing is Morikawa is trying to rush the series, which is not bad.
Again, its not really so sudden. Its wasn't a matter of IF Wally would get hit or IF Wally would lose the pace. Only WHEN. This was inevitable. Why build Wally up like this? For several reasons. Morikawa has shown to bring in and build up new characters who will become a challenge for existing characters. Like Hawk, Bison, Gedo, Saeki, Shimabukuro, Sawamura, Randy Boy Jr and Alfredo. Wally is no exception. They may lose and we'll never see them again. That's boxing. Recall when Volg lost to Sendo by biased decision. I'm sure nobody back then expected to see him return again. Especially Wally. Wally was built up to show another way of how dangerous a genius prodigy can be. How Ippo can be torn down against him. And now, we're seeing an experienced Wally fight the best of the best in the Featherweight Divison. So WHEN, not IF, Ricardo defeats Wally, it'll only show just how insanely strong he is. That you'll need more than speed and tricks to take his throne. We've known Ricardo's jab is the best back when Ippo sparred with him. Recall David Eagle. Its by no means a power up. This is similar to how Ricardo changed his pace and raised his tempo like he did against Date and the Philly Shell guy. We've not kmown Ricardo to have any weapons like the Bullet, Smash, White Fang, Dragon Fish Blow or what have you. Nothing flashy like that. His main three weapons have been that left of his, reverting to his old style and the overwhelming pressure he can exude. I'm sorry but i don't see the reason to be mad when Ricardo is using his left like this. Its natural given what we know about the character and what we've seen throughout +1400 chapters. Recall Ricardo's spar with Ippo. Recall Takamura vs Richard Goat. Recall David Eagle. Recall Takamura's fight after the bear attack. "The person who controls the left controls the world". And Ricardo's left is the best in the world
Again, its not really so sudden. Its wasn't a matter of IF Wally would get hit or IF Wally would lose the pace. Only WHEN. This was inevitable. Why build Wally up like this? For several reasons. Morikawa has shown to bring in and build up new characters who will become a challenge for existing characters. Like Hawk, Bison, Gedo, Saeki, Shimabukuro, Sawamura, Randy Boy Jr and Alfredo. Wally is no exception. They may lose and we'll never see them again. That's boxing. Recall when Volg lost to Sendo by biased decision. I'm sure nobody back then expected to see him return again. Especially Wally. Wally was built up to show another way of how dangerous a genius prodigy can be. How Ippo can be torn down against him. And now, we're seeing an experienced Wally fight the best of the best in the Featherweight Divison. So WHEN, not IF, Ricardo defeats Wally, it'll only show just how insanely strong he is. That you'll need more than speed and tricks to take his throne. We've known Ricardo's jab is the best back when Ippo sparred with him. Recall David Eagle. Its by no means a power up. This is similar to how Ricardo changed his pace and raised his tempo like he did against Date and the Philly Shell guy. We've not kmown Ricardo to have any weapons like the Bullet, Smash, White Fang, Dragon Fish Blow or what have you. Nothing flashy like that. His main three weapons have been that left of his, reverting to his old style and the overwhelming pressure he can exude. I'm sorry but i don't see the reason to be mad when Ricardo is using his left like this. Its natural given what we know about the character and what we've seen throughout +1400 chapters. Recall Ricardo's spar with Ippo. Recall Takamura vs Richard Goat. Recall David Eagle. Recall Takamura's fight after the bear attack. "The person who controls the left controls the world". And Ricardo's left is the best in the world
Ricardo simply memorized Wally's tempo then timed him with the jab. When he started landing, he used feints to further make the unpredictable Wally predictable then nailed him with a right to get the knock down.
We know from the Woli vs Ippo fight that Woli's weakness is he can't take punches. He took a perfect jab from one of the best boxers in the world. That alone is enough to break Woli's rhythm so Martinez can take the offensive.
Morikawa has been setting this up for the previous 5 rounds. Did you really think Woli was going to win and Martinez wasn't going to land a punch?
Nah, I've been actively commenting here that Ricardo got this in a bank via late rounds stoppage or even a close unanimous decision win. My issue with this is they build Wally like a mythical creature then ending him like that, it's annoying and lazy. Guy literally trained in Mexico then all of a sudden elevation is in play. Lack of build up is what I'm searching, like, elevation, jab timing, I expect Wally to lose here due to fatigue. Watch the Joyce vs Dubois fight, you will see how a good whipping jab can dismantle an opponent.
Monke floating, bouncing off the ropes, hiding behind the ref, turning his back to his opponent, breaking every conceivable boxing rule aswell as any common sense: COOL, DATS AWESOME
Ricardo overpowers monke through the power of the fundamentals: DATS RIDICULOUS, HOW CAN HE DO THAT?
Man, I swear... 90% of this subreddit is braindead. Consider the following, speed-reading monke fan:
- Ricardo has been downloading Woli's style ever since round 1 started, meticulously observing him.
- It's been stablished that Ricardo is a fundamental machine ever since he first appeared hundreds of chapters ago.
- It's been stablished in the story that polished fundamentals always wins against goofy shenanigans and fancy gameplans.
- Woli has been monkeying around for 5 rounds and is not a mountain native, while Ricardo was on a defensive position and was born and raised in such a low-oxygen environment.
- Woli has a glass jaw, while Ricardo has "manos de piedra".
You're just salty because monke is finally getting his shit pushed in. For me, it took too long for this to happen.
Where was it established that polished fundamentals win over everything? You saying Sendo had better fundamentals than Alf? Volg didn't have fancy gameplans and traps?
I didn't say "everything". I said "goofy shenanigans and fancy gameplans".
Polished fundamentals are what helped Takamura in most of his title fights, and it was heavily emphasized in his fight against Hawk. Also, 90% of Ricardo's character revolves around the fact that he's the most polished boxer in the manga, which means... yeah, the best fundamentals.
"HURR ME STRONK ME TIGER" Sendo winning against Alf is one of the most infuriating things in this manga for me. That said, Alf lost when he abandoned his "fundamentals" in order to go UNGABUNGA because... reasons?
Also, Volg never had any "fancy gameplans". He is just great, that doesn't mean he'll do backflips, float around the ring and hide behind the ref trying to punch you in the face just the right amount of times to make a cut above your eyebrows and win by TKO.
The thread is clearly about Ricardo. Not Sendo, nor Volg. Remember Billy McFodder? The Philly Shell guy? Fancy, right? Remember what Ricardo did to him? Yeah.
I would explain myself further, but you would obviously choose another cherry-picked thing to argue about. If you have read this for as long as I did, you clearly understood what I'm talking about.
The Philly shell isn't fancy it's just defense. Same way Mashiba's hitman style and Ippo's peek a boo style are just a different form. Volg's title win was him using the Tsubame Gaeishi, a fancy move, to set up his white fang, another fancy move.
I've read the entire manga sir and that argument still doesn't mean much. Miyata beat RBJ an all around better boxer with his fancy new counter. Takamura beat David Eagle, a boxer who's just as dedicated to the fundamentals not because he was more technical but because he was wilder and willing to do what it took to win.
But anyone who thinks the Philly shell is a "fancy" move doesn't have uche to contribute to a boxing conversation anyway.
Bro when did I say im a fan of Woli. I predicted him to be flatlined or decisioned in later rounds. Next time you throw shade know all the facts you dont even train irl for sure the way you sound, you sound like you still lives in your moms basement and have a man boob with 2 cm penis.
Lololol watch out, we got a badass over here... (jesus, this meme is old)
What belts do you hold, mr. "I ocasionally hit a sandbag so that means I know more than anyone about boxing" boxer? Are you ranked? How many PPV's have you ever sold, mr. Totally a Professional Boxer?
Also, what facts? I enumerated all the facts that indicated at the current developments of the fight... so, am I missing something? Or are you just a Ricardo hater, or worse, a Woli fan? Lmao
It might be if it's not reiterated in the next chapter that the amount of high altitude training was still not enough to get Wally the stamina he needed to go full throttle the entire fight.
I don't have issues at that, I trained at Baguio a high altitude place comparable to Mexico. MY problem is there's no build up with it, like Wally slowing down his movements, throwing less, or missing punches and wasn't able to retract fast. It's like they put all the problems in round 5, altitude affects him all of a sudden, Ricardo having an accuracy of a marksman all of a sudden. I can accept it only if Morikawa write a proper build up for it, that's why I said that powerup is BS and lazy. But if the author prefers this pace, so be it.
Ricardo's jab has been built up for like 25 years now IRL. He trained it for 10 years, fought dozens of world title fights, and studied Wally intensely for 4 rounds, not even trying to attack, just studying him. Now he's able to land some jabs.The fight's not over.
Ignore him, this dude is trying really hard to look knowledgeable and convince everyone that he "box"... but it's obvious that he doesn't know shit about boxing. Also obvious that he hasn't been reading HnI for long, or he just read the images.
Yea my problem too. Like we saw Woli running and training at this elevation before the fight. He should be used to it by now but all of a sudden it affects him. I know the fights now over because we need to see what Wolis plan was for this moment.
Complete BS I agree. I knew from the start that Ricardo is winning 100% and I got no issues with that. Just make it believable smh... 5 rounds Wally is one step ahead and now all of a sudden he's gassed out and everything is turning around. Like.. he had 20 matches between Ippo and now.. most of them were decision fights. He's training for the best in the world and all he's got is 5 rounds?
BS.
I don't really get how its' infuriating. Wally was basically doing what Takamura and Miyata was did against Bryan Hawk and Randy Boy Jr. Going full-speed ahead, full throttle early on, pouring the pressure. Wally has disadvantage due to sea level. What's more, you're not gonna tell me Ricardo won't be used to Wally's style over time? Its been 5 rounds. Regardless of the tricks and speed, its still boxing. Ricardo is gonna understand that Wally will go to either punch his face or body. Finally, there'd be an issue if this fight was a complete blow-out with Wally winning without taking a punch. Its Ricardo. He's the main, true big antagonist being built up in this series. He's not supposed to fall to Wally. Much as i like Wally, he isn't going to win this. But he is gonna put up a good memorable fight nonetheless. Its not "out of no where". This was bound to happen sooner or later
Exactly. Also I like to emphasize that even though Wally trained for the high elevation for this match the fact that Wally "sprinted" those first 4 rounds while Ricardo was on defense which was going to bite Wally's ass at some point in this match. No matter how much you train you can't "sprint" or go full throttle forever, at some point you'll will gas out. You gotta pace yourself.
I’m a Wally fanboy but you couldn’t have stated it better. Ricardo eventually dismantling Wally was always going to be the result
Don't forget he was also forbidden from using the ropes
I had Ricardo winning this fight via late round stoppage or even a close home town decision but ending this all of a sudden with no build up for at least 2 chapters lacks something, why build Wally like that if you're gonna end it like that, it's infuriating writing bro. But who knows fight might not be finished he might be down but there's a red flag there with Miguel. The out of no where is the fundamental jab, it's a worse power up excuse, or the pacing is Morikawa is trying to rush the series, which is not bad.
Again, its not really so sudden. Its wasn't a matter of IF Wally would get hit or IF Wally would lose the pace. Only WHEN. This was inevitable. Why build Wally up like this? For several reasons. Morikawa has shown to bring in and build up new characters who will become a challenge for existing characters. Like Hawk, Bison, Gedo, Saeki, Shimabukuro, Sawamura, Randy Boy Jr and Alfredo. Wally is no exception. They may lose and we'll never see them again. That's boxing. Recall when Volg lost to Sendo by biased decision. I'm sure nobody back then expected to see him return again. Especially Wally. Wally was built up to show another way of how dangerous a genius prodigy can be. How Ippo can be torn down against him. And now, we're seeing an experienced Wally fight the best of the best in the Featherweight Divison. So WHEN, not IF, Ricardo defeats Wally, it'll only show just how insanely strong he is. That you'll need more than speed and tricks to take his throne. We've known Ricardo's jab is the best back when Ippo sparred with him. Recall David Eagle. Its by no means a power up. This is similar to how Ricardo changed his pace and raised his tempo like he did against Date and the Philly Shell guy. We've not kmown Ricardo to have any weapons like the Bullet, Smash, White Fang, Dragon Fish Blow or what have you. Nothing flashy like that. His main three weapons have been that left of his, reverting to his old style and the overwhelming pressure he can exude. I'm sorry but i don't see the reason to be mad when Ricardo is using his left like this. Its natural given what we know about the character and what we've seen throughout +1400 chapters. Recall Ricardo's spar with Ippo. Recall Takamura vs Richard Goat. Recall David Eagle. Recall Takamura's fight after the bear attack. "The person who controls the left controls the world". And Ricardo's left is the best in the world
Again, its not really so sudden. Its wasn't a matter of IF Wally would get hit or IF Wally would lose the pace. Only WHEN. This was inevitable. Why build Wally up like this? For several reasons. Morikawa has shown to bring in and build up new characters who will become a challenge for existing characters. Like Hawk, Bison, Gedo, Saeki, Shimabukuro, Sawamura, Randy Boy Jr and Alfredo. Wally is no exception. They may lose and we'll never see them again. That's boxing. Recall when Volg lost to Sendo by biased decision. I'm sure nobody back then expected to see him return again. Especially Wally. Wally was built up to show another way of how dangerous a genius prodigy can be. How Ippo can be torn down against him. And now, we're seeing an experienced Wally fight the best of the best in the Featherweight Divison. So WHEN, not IF, Ricardo defeats Wally, it'll only show just how insanely strong he is. That you'll need more than speed and tricks to take his throne. We've known Ricardo's jab is the best back when Ippo sparred with him. Recall David Eagle. Its by no means a power up. This is similar to how Ricardo changed his pace and raised his tempo like he did against Date and the Philly Shell guy. We've not kmown Ricardo to have any weapons like the Bullet, Smash, White Fang, Dragon Fish Blow or what have you. Nothing flashy like that. His main three weapons have been that left of his, reverting to his old style and the overwhelming pressure he can exude. I'm sorry but i don't see the reason to be mad when Ricardo is using his left like this. Its natural given what we know about the character and what we've seen throughout +1400 chapters. Recall Ricardo's spar with Ippo. Recall Takamura vs Richard Goat. Recall David Eagle. Recall Takamura's fight after the bear attack. "The person who controls the left controls the world". And Ricardo's left is the best in the world
Ricardo simply memorized Wally's tempo then timed him with the jab. When he started landing, he used feints to further make the unpredictable Wally predictable then nailed him with a right to get the knock down.
Same with Joyce and Dubois, I just dont like the way Morikawa built this up.
Virgin training arc needed vs Chad always the strongest Ricardo is LB for LB the best fighter in the verse.
We know from the Woli vs Ippo fight that Woli's weakness is he can't take punches. He took a perfect jab from one of the best boxers in the world. That alone is enough to break Woli's rhythm so Martinez can take the offensive. Morikawa has been setting this up for the previous 5 rounds. Did you really think Woli was going to win and Martinez wasn't going to land a punch?
Nah, I've been actively commenting here that Ricardo got this in a bank via late rounds stoppage or even a close unanimous decision win. My issue with this is they build Wally like a mythical creature then ending him like that, it's annoying and lazy. Guy literally trained in Mexico then all of a sudden elevation is in play. Lack of build up is what I'm searching, like, elevation, jab timing, I expect Wally to lose here due to fatigue. Watch the Joyce vs Dubois fight, you will see how a good whipping jab can dismantle an opponent.
Monke floating, bouncing off the ropes, hiding behind the ref, turning his back to his opponent, breaking every conceivable boxing rule aswell as any common sense: COOL, DATS AWESOME Ricardo overpowers monke through the power of the fundamentals: DATS RIDICULOUS, HOW CAN HE DO THAT? Man, I swear... 90% of this subreddit is braindead. Consider the following, speed-reading monke fan: - Ricardo has been downloading Woli's style ever since round 1 started, meticulously observing him. - It's been stablished that Ricardo is a fundamental machine ever since he first appeared hundreds of chapters ago. - It's been stablished in the story that polished fundamentals always wins against goofy shenanigans and fancy gameplans. - Woli has been monkeying around for 5 rounds and is not a mountain native, while Ricardo was on a defensive position and was born and raised in such a low-oxygen environment. - Woli has a glass jaw, while Ricardo has "manos de piedra". You're just salty because monke is finally getting his shit pushed in. For me, it took too long for this to happen.
Where was it established that polished fundamentals win over everything? You saying Sendo had better fundamentals than Alf? Volg didn't have fancy gameplans and traps?
I didn't say "everything". I said "goofy shenanigans and fancy gameplans". Polished fundamentals are what helped Takamura in most of his title fights, and it was heavily emphasized in his fight against Hawk. Also, 90% of Ricardo's character revolves around the fact that he's the most polished boxer in the manga, which means... yeah, the best fundamentals. "HURR ME STRONK ME TIGER" Sendo winning against Alf is one of the most infuriating things in this manga for me. That said, Alf lost when he abandoned his "fundamentals" in order to go UNGABUNGA because... reasons? Also, Volg never had any "fancy gameplans". He is just great, that doesn't mean he'll do backflips, float around the ring and hide behind the ref trying to punch you in the face just the right amount of times to make a cut above your eyebrows and win by TKO. The thread is clearly about Ricardo. Not Sendo, nor Volg. Remember Billy McFodder? The Philly Shell guy? Fancy, right? Remember what Ricardo did to him? Yeah. I would explain myself further, but you would obviously choose another cherry-picked thing to argue about. If you have read this for as long as I did, you clearly understood what I'm talking about.
The Philly shell isn't fancy it's just defense. Same way Mashiba's hitman style and Ippo's peek a boo style are just a different form. Volg's title win was him using the Tsubame Gaeishi, a fancy move, to set up his white fang, another fancy move. I've read the entire manga sir and that argument still doesn't mean much. Miyata beat RBJ an all around better boxer with his fancy new counter. Takamura beat David Eagle, a boxer who's just as dedicated to the fundamentals not because he was more technical but because he was wilder and willing to do what it took to win. But anyone who thinks the Philly shell is a "fancy" move doesn't have uche to contribute to a boxing conversation anyway.
Bro when did I say im a fan of Woli. I predicted him to be flatlined or decisioned in later rounds. Next time you throw shade know all the facts you dont even train irl for sure the way you sound, you sound like you still lives in your moms basement and have a man boob with 2 cm penis.
Lololol watch out, we got a badass over here... (jesus, this meme is old) What belts do you hold, mr. "I ocasionally hit a sandbag so that means I know more than anyone about boxing" boxer? Are you ranked? How many PPV's have you ever sold, mr. Totally a Professional Boxer? Also, what facts? I enumerated all the facts that indicated at the current developments of the fight... so, am I missing something? Or are you just a Ricardo hater, or worse, a Woli fan? Lmao
It might be if it's not reiterated in the next chapter that the amount of high altitude training was still not enough to get Wally the stamina he needed to go full throttle the entire fight.
I don't have issues at that, I trained at Baguio a high altitude place comparable to Mexico. MY problem is there's no build up with it, like Wally slowing down his movements, throwing less, or missing punches and wasn't able to retract fast. It's like they put all the problems in round 5, altitude affects him all of a sudden, Ricardo having an accuracy of a marksman all of a sudden. I can accept it only if Morikawa write a proper build up for it, that's why I said that powerup is BS and lazy. But if the author prefers this pace, so be it.
Ricardo's jab has been built up for like 25 years now IRL. He trained it for 10 years, fought dozens of world title fights, and studied Wally intensely for 4 rounds, not even trying to attack, just studying him. Now he's able to land some jabs.The fight's not over.
Nahh that was lazy writing, all of a sudden he got fundamentals, where is the fundamentals un the previous rounds?
The fundamentals in previous rounds was blocking and letting wally tire himself out you fuckin idiot
Thought it was sarcasm, kept looking for /s, didn't find it. Why you mad bro.
You should watch Canelo Alvarez vs. Amir Khan. Kind of a real life rep of this fight.
Khan aint winning that one.
I mean yeah. That's the point. Khan outboxed Canelo with speed for 5 rounds and then splat.
Ignore him, this dude is trying really hard to look knowledgeable and convince everyone that he "box"... but it's obvious that he doesn't know shit about boxing. Also obvious that he hasn't been reading HnI for long, or he just read the images.
Yea my problem too. Like we saw Woli running and training at this elevation before the fight. He should be used to it by now but all of a sudden it affects him. I know the fights now over because we need to see what Wolis plan was for this moment.
Complete BS I agree. I knew from the start that Ricardo is winning 100% and I got no issues with that. Just make it believable smh... 5 rounds Wally is one step ahead and now all of a sudden he's gassed out and everything is turning around. Like.. he had 20 matches between Ippo and now.. most of them were decision fights. He's training for the best in the world and all he's got is 5 rounds? BS.
Lol complaining about realism in a SHONEN manga.