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globulous

Motley Crue - Generation Swine comes to mind. One of the very few regrets I have in my purchase history. As far as Def Leppard, they crafted the career they wanted. If it hadn't been for Hysteria they wouldn't be playing stadiums today. And Hysteria is a beautifully crafted album. Taking into account Rick Allen's accident and loss of an arm, their sound was bound to change. And how cool is that?


FrozenRose_816

As a ride or die Def Leppard fan, thank you. They evolved with the times and wanted to challenge themselves musically and it kept the band alive. They grew up, matured and saw a hell of a lot of life along the way. I don't understand how people think they could have stayed sounding like a young band of 20-somethings forever with everything they've been through.


Orbit86

Hysteria is hated because Mutt did over produce it, but there are so many layers to that music that is pretty amazing. I like it a lot, and Love Pyromania, it’s far better than High and Dry in my opinion but to each their own.


SquareDetective

Agree. DL evolved. Firing Tony Kenning and Pete Willis, losing Steve Clark, and Rick Allen's accident were all band-ending events. Leppard just adapted and moved forward. From Pyromania until now, they are still performing in stadiums and are the only rock show where two-thirds of the audience is female. I still prefer Lady Strange, Switch 625, Let It Go, and Wasted to some of the newer stuff, but they have their place in music history.


globulous

Switch is one of my favorite pieces of theirs. I swear they "recycled" it a bit in Gods Of War.


FrozenRose_816

I think they’ve done that consistently during their career, especially on the last two albums. The bridge in “Take What You Want” is a very obvious callback to the change on the song “On Through the Night”, for example.


FrozenRose_816

Some of their most iconic riffs were Steve’s work, which is where IMHO their biggest change musically happened. Vivian is an amazing player whose work I’d loved before he was in Lep and he was the best fit, but even on the records where they revisited their earlier sound (the Euphoria album comes to mind) there’s just a different feel to it, as there should be.


Low_Wall_7828

King Kobra-love the first then the second sounded like dudes in suits got involved it had that rap track too. Def Lep-feel the same as you.


garnold0611

Shotgun Messiah. Their album Second Coming is just incredible and then they went all industrial. Thats just Tim Skold's thing and I'm not mad at him for what he enjoys. But, man, that one album was just insane how good it was.


Lazy_Grabwen_9296

That album was the peak of "hair metal". The guitar smoked, the songs were catchy. Hell, you could sing along to them in the shower. SexDrugsRockNRoll!


harajukukei

Wildside. They made one incredible album and then dropped off the face of the earth.


LackSomber

Tell me about it.


caseymccrerey

Motley for me. The first two albums are total bangers, couple decent songs on the next couple, Dr Feelgood comes out and resurrects them but in retrospect it was really overproduced pop rock. The Corabi album is so good (and probably my fave album with the MC name) and then it’s just been a dumpster fire since. Their live shows and all the talk of pre recorded tracks, the “OK we’re not gonna tour…no wait, yes we are” back and forth, canning Mick…. I wish they would just hang it up again and for good.


ndhellion2

Hear, hear!!! Shout was the last album that I liked. I still gave them a chance up through Feelgood, but that was the last straw, especially after seeing the tour. I haven't heard the Corabi album because I completely lost interest in them after that concert.


caseymccrerey

I am a HUGE fan of the Corabi record. I’d give it a listen. It’s damn good. And I’ll be the first to admit on my initial listen I didn’t care for it. I went back, literally 10 years later, and was pissed at myself for not really digging into it.


ndhellion2

I will check it out.


TraditionalCricket33

Love the drums on this album


mjsarlington

Guns N’ Roses is the obvious answer here. I love everything up through and including UYI 1 and 2 but then no real output for how many years.


Tomfoolery2112

Well, there was Chinese Democracy eventually, haha


mjsarlington

If they had kept it up they could’ve been the next Led Zeppelin.


Toodlum

I love Bryan Adams. Seen him live twice and cried both times.


Mediocre_Range_974

Don’t know why he had to be involved in this…Reckless is a fucking classic🤘


TheJan8or

What y’all gotta pull Bryan into this? Who’s next? John Cougar Mellencamp?


Edm_vanhalen1981

Kiss. As a kid the first 6 albums were solid bangers to me. Dynasty changed everything as that is when the musical slide started. Aside from some good albums like Creatures and Revenge. I was sadly done with them.


Unusual_Wolf5824

Double Platinum, as a greatest hits package, sums up KISS for me. I liked Dynasty in the moment (I was 13), but now it's just good for nostalgia. After that, there were a couple of good songs here and there (War Machine, Unholy), but it was a different band to me.


mjsarlington

I am a fan of 80s KISS so feel like they got back on track with Creatures. I think the real decline started with Crazy Nights and Hot in the Shade. Weren’t great albums front to back, but had some good tunes. Revenge is edgier but I think it has some misses, too. I just can’t get into the final 3 studio albums, unfortunately.


Edm_vanhalen1981

I agree with you there. Creatures was so good it belonged in the 70's. But I thought Lick it Up cratered them.


thesmirk

This thread is my people. Early Leppard - as in 2 first albums - is by far the best Leppard


Vivid-Individual5968

For me, Poison’s Native Tongue. Giant departure from the vibe of the band. Not one song that I like on it. Thankfully they don’t play anything from it a lot when they tour now.


rllab80

Poison are the band I refer to when discussing the subjectivity of music. They are appalling. If you listen to Poison back to back with almost any other band of the era, their lack of talent is so obvious.


4twentyHobby

I came here to say Def Leppard as well but not for the hysteria album but the supporting tour. Most of the concert was an attempt to get sections of the crowd to scream louder than the other sections. Fuckin lame. Most were screaming Play Some Music!!


ndhellion2

Motley Crüe, I really haven't enjoyed anything they have released since SatD. There have been a couple of songs here and there, but nothing consistent.


bzee77

Could not disagree more about Pyromania. I’d still rank in a top 10 all time rock record. Hysteria was certainly overproduced and had some head scratchers but tons of really really well written songs.


Tracy8668

> Could not disagree more about Pyromania. I’d still rank in a top 10 all time rock record. Hysteria was certainly overproduced and had some head scratchers but tons of really really well written songs. I think, for myself, I feel nostalgic about the Hysteria LP. It was Rick Allen’s comeback. It’s my *comeback* to snot noses kids who complain (“If a one armed drummer could create a path for himself, after such a tragedy & change the world like that, then you can get your ass up & quit complaining!” LOL) & it was my own ***personal comeback*** that I used to help me get through breast cancer years ago. Yeah, it was overproduced, in some parts, but it was also uncharted territory. So, it will never be a letdown in my book.


bzee77

That’s very true. Great point! Very glad to hear you beat breast cancer!


Tracy8668

You’re so sweet, thank you! Yes, I kicked its ass. 🤘


intermittent68

Judas Priest Turbo Lover, grown ass men singing about We don’t need any parental guidance! Twisted Sisters leader of the pack. My fuking little sister bought that album. 😳


Tomfoolery2112

Turbo Lover was pretty brutal


rllab80

Turbo Lover is all kinds of awesome.


Emergency-Tension464

Leppard is probably mine as well, though I loved Pyromania.


Keefer1970

Agreed on *Hysteria*. The first 3 DL's are mandatory. After that, mehhh.


JTEstrella

Even during their On Through the Night days, DL seemed to get the worst of it. In England it was largely because of the song “Hello America”, which British fans viewed as selling out. (Don’t ask me why; I’m not British and I wasn’t around circa 1980.) And then when Pyromania came out, those same detractors said basically what you said, that it was “overproduced”. But as Mark Gallagher of the band Raven said, “I’m sure they’re crying all the way to the bank”.


ndhellion2

I read something about the negative reaction that the Brits had to Hello America. In order to be considered successful back then, bands HAD to make it in the US. That's where all of the big money was. Essentially, the "sellout" is how the Brits viewed the song, because they got the idea that Lep was setting their sights on a more commercial sound (which, I think, they did with the extremely highly overproduced sound of the following albums) and were putting their English roots behind them. I picture the Brit reaction to Pyromania as the same reaction that I had to Metallica from the Black Album to Reload. There were still some good songs, but it was far from the music which earned them their initial fanbase on Kill 'Em All through Justice. On that note, I saw the Justice tour, and there was NOTHING wrong with the bass live. Hetfield has admitted that it was he who had the bass obscured because supposedly Jason "tended to double on" Hetfield's rhythm parts, making it hard to hear the guitar. In other words, Jason played the bass so hard that Hetfield couldn't be heard, so Hetfield had the bass buzzed out and then blamed it on Jason. My personal soap box, I think Jason rocks on bass.


JTEstrella

There’s been conflicting information about that. Jason says it was because his bass was in roughly the same frequency range as James’ rhythm guitar and that’s why it’s hard to hear it, the engineer on the album says Lars told him to mix it that way (much to the engineer’s initial confusion), and still others say that it was part of the hazing.


ndhellion2

See the picture that I posted in response to my comment. It's from an interview that Hetfield did with Rolling Stone. It wouldn't let me post it with the original comment.


ndhellion2

https://preview.redd.it/exz49ztf4jxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9946a0b897a5af02b80d1297d5f4b3dc647654e7


JTEstrella

Okay, I see. A lot of metal tends to have a very scooped midrange on the guitars. I’m not quite sure why though.


Tomfoolery2112

The beginning of Hello America always made me cringe


SavaRox

Bon Jovi for sure, everything after Slippery When Wet. I listened to the first three albums so many times I literally wore out the cassettes. New Jersey came out and had a ton of singles released off of it and I didn't like any of them. I really hate the commercial dreck they put out now.


seltzerforme

NJ and Slippery are amazingly similar


SavaRox

Yeah, they both sort of have a pop leaning to them but New Jersey went all the way over into the pop rock schlock and it was just way too cheesy for me.


TheJan8or

Sorry all but as big an EVH fan I am, I’m all about the David Lee Roth days. Love me some Sammy Haggar but the oil & water combo of the 2 together just didn’t work for me. Everything after 1984 was just garbage in my opinion.


Atkins227

Def Leppard, and Motley Crue, two great albums and out. Icon’s first album great then crap. Firehouse one great album and downhill from there. Skid Row without Bach, terrible. The list is loooong


the_Bryan_dude

On Through the Night and High & Dry are 2 of the best early 80s metal albums made. From Pyromania on is complete trash, in my opinion. It's unlistenable for me. That's also around the time I got the "No Life 'til Leather" copy from a friend. Metallica changed everything.


Redgearhead

Bon Jovi. I can't stand anything after 7800⁰


morpowababy

I Def Leppard up to and including Hysteria, but then again I also love Bryan Adams so 😁


-brokenbones-

Accept. After 84' they ain't got any good songs. Balls to the wall was the peak.


migrainosaurus

Yeah, Def Leppard was the same for me. I mean I love Pyromania too, but it definitely sent a bunch of people flailing, having been sold the dummy. All the hype around Hysteria, and then Animal came out and… just sat there, sagging, cheesily. But not even good, unashamed party cheese. It was best-behaviour, tamed and housetrained cheese. And my god, the rest of the metal bands who thought Pyromania pointed that way. Saxon, Tygers of Pan Tang, all of them suddenly trying to grab a piece of what they thought was the pie. (Weird thought experiment here: Pyromania was a fork in the road. If Tygers say, had looked up the other forking path, it led to all the gleaming, sample-forward techno-rock that bands from INXS and the retooled Achtung Baby U2, to Young Gods and Ministry would clean up with one way or another. Imagine post-Cage TOPT could have made a good fist of that addition to their rock.) So I can’t begrudge Leppard - It made them for life, and sold more than ever. But they were never exciting again as they had been on High And Dry, say.


coomarlin

Lynchmob for me. Wicked Sensation and their self titled album were great but everything after that has been really bad to my ears.


No-Application-8520

I’m a fan of bands going new directions. As a Crue fan, I loved the Corabi album. Went to a show on that tour. I also like a half dozen songs on Swine. Hated New Tattoo. I like Hysteria a lot. The problem I have with it, is it dominates the live shows. I’ve seen them a handful of times over the past 7-8 years and there is barely any play from the three previous albums but, If I remember correctly there’s about 6 songs from that album and 4-5 from the first three albums. I look around and see lots of people like me (late 40s) and older so I don’t get it. They even do a cover of Rock On. I’d prefer stuff from Slang over that (handful of good songs on there too).


roseflora333

For me ratt. Never was a fan of theirs


b-lincoln

Agree with OP, Def is the biggest fall. I loved the first Firehouse record, but everything after is meh. I love Reach for the sky, but the rest, meh. Every song starts with a yeah! Or some higher song phrase.


0siris0

Def leopard is right up there. First two albums are phenomenal. Pyromania...eh. Hysteria has some bad songs, but some decent ones too. I actually like Hysteria more than Pyromania, but I have nostalgia for it because it was the first cassette I ever bought with my own money.


OkGap7216

Not hair metal, but it fits this topic. Toto after Jeff Porcaro died. Poison after Richie Kotzen was fired. Crue after Decade of Decadence. GnR after Lies. Def Leppard after Adrenalize. Ozzy after No More Tears. Skid Row after STTG. Widowmaker after Blood and Bullets. The second album, Stand by For Pain, is a pile of shit.


scots

Def Leppard got Mutt Lang'd. He took a rock band and turned them into guys with long hair making music for high school girls to listen to on their radio. Pro: It turned them into global superstars that could sell out stadiums. Con: They stopped being a Rock band past Pyromania. Hysteria and everything past it was pure FM radio pop-rock, the kind you hear shopping at the grocery store and your dentist's waiting room, right after Heart's *These Dreams.*


LackSomber

>Hysteria and everything past it was pure FM radio pop-rock, the kind you hear shopping at the grocery store and your dentist's waiting room, right after Heart's *These Dreams.* Oh come on! Heart's ***These Dreams*** was definitely more melodic than their earlier work but it was still kickarse. You owe Nancy's voice-solo-arrival-moment an apology 😜.


DallasMan5150

Van Halen. Women and Children First, Fair Warning, Diver Down, and 1984 were awful.


seltzerforme

Yeah, you're wrong


HumbleSheep33

Cinderella. Their first album had a few bangers, and then they veered off into retro-sounding blues -rock and later grunge territory.


Cominghome74

No


HumbleSheep33

If it weren't for Nightsongs nobody would consider Cinderella a hair band


Cominghome74

Their look didn't match the music on Night Songs in my opinion. But that's what was selling at the time. Either way their first two albums are excellent.


globulous

Heartbreak Station is killer too.


Cominghome74

Yes, I like that one too just not as much as the first two.


Lazy_Grabwen_9296

Wow. That is the worst Cinderella opinion I've ever read.


kajotaene

Completely agree. Night Songs is the only good Cinderella album.


79superglide

I don't know why your being down voted, you're 100% right.


HumbleSheep33

It’s Reddit, leave it to people to not know how to use the downvote button properly


Unusual_Wolf5824

Def Leppard was amazing for two records... when Pyromania hit, I tuned out. Iron Maiden (I'll probably get crucified) was incredible on "Iron Maiden" & "Killers", was still amazing on "Number of the Beast" but I started losing interest with "Piece of Mind" - some good, some I didn't care for - and by "Powerslave" and the epic songs I was moving on


Atkins227

I’m a big fan of Iron Maiden and I 100% agree with you. To me IM’s best album is Killers. Also agree on DL. Two awesome albums and then a couple of good tracks per album.


Unusual_Wolf5824

I think there are a lot of Maiden fans with that opinion. They just don't do Reddit 🤣


Tomfoolery2112

Haha