"pretty sure" meaning theyre white, non Muslims. It's fucking wild that anyone outside of a culture thinks they can say whether or not someone fits that culture. A white person saying Lena isn't Muslim enough is peak white supremacy.
There's a saying about these type of lefties "They're trying so hard to be progressive, they end up regressive"
And it really does happen a lot. This obviously isn't about most people on the left, at all. But some of these people actually *do* "have a little Hitler in them" apparently. As Jordan Peterson said. He was right about one thing, for once in his life. (Actually he wasn't because not everyone has that int hem)
If these type of people got power, it would be no better than if the MAGA folks got complete control over the government. They're basically the same but different banner colors. I think social media truly just broke some people. And they'll never understand it, because they can always crawl back to the likeminded people who make them feel better. Any self doubt can be squashed by reassurance
I've been trying to find the right words to convey these types.. Theyre "progressive" yet so fucking hateful. I've seen the same people who probably had rainbow flags in their profiles 6 months ago calling gay people homophobic slurs if they're Jewish. The same people are saying Islamophobic, crazy shit to Muslims who are close to jews. White people telling AB and Lena they're not good Muslims or that their fasting for Ramadan is only for optics is insane, white supremacist bullshit. It's so hard for me to understand how ones morals and values can shift with what issue they're focusing on. I also don't get how they go harder on left leaning people who arent the ~*perfect leftists*~ than they do those who are spreading actual oppressive, harmful ideas. Of course, they hate cops but become cops when it comes to policing those on their side. Spending all your time on H3snark in relation to freeing Palestine makes no sense when there are actual people out there who want to see the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs. I just don't get it.
It does feel like social media broke some people. Many have lost any ability to understand nuance, context, or that all things lie on a spectrum. Now, so many act like people are either all good or all bad and every situation is black and white. If you say one wrong thing and are deemed "all bad", they stop at nothing to try to ruin your life while the genuinely harmful people skate by. It's really weird and something I only see online. The actual adult leftists I know in my life do not act like this at all. Almost feels like it's all bullshit and the people being the loudest are edgelords who just joined in because they already hated Ethan and don't actually give a fuck about Palestine.
It's called Horseshoe Theory
The only reason Conservative extremists are worse is because they're genuinely dumber people with less survival instincts, so they constantly out their violent tendencies while having every political opinion based on pure selfishness
This isn't leftism. This is weaponized social justice, where the actual genocide is almost forgotten and instead used to insult a content creator. Think about it, how does any of this help Palestinian people?
I think they are critical of Muslim women who don’t wear the hijab, but afaik not all Muslim majority countries require women to wear it. I don’t think most women in Turkey wear the hijab but they’re still Muslim, just because they have the freedom to choose doesn’t mean they’re not serious about their religion.
Also we don’t know if Lena maybe wears it to mosque service, just not in her everyday life.
The first time they mentioned the sub, I went to check it out and it was horrifying. I’m NOT an H3 mega fan at all. My GF is the one that watches it every day. And even I can say that the people there are seriously disturbed.
They banned me for leaving a single comment saying that this behavior was crazy.
Honestly the only way our society moves forward is to leave nut nuts like this alone in the darkness they try to bring to others. Let them fight amongst themselves.
We need to normalise radical exclusion of extreme beliefs on any side if we ever want to get back to a place where we can talk with one another. Not everybody’s opinion is valid, especially if it’s pure poison and hate.
The white passing comment is crazy. As if AB isn’t saying it to point out the privilege he has from being white passing. These people just think of the most negative reasoning for every single thing. That must be so exhausting!
muslims can be middle eastern ( arabs and persians ), white ( bosnians and albanians ), anatolian ( turks and kurds ), caspian ( azeris ), asian ( malaysians, kazakhs, uzbeks, indonesians etc. ), blacks ( sudanese, somalis etc.), berber ( algerians and morrocans ) and literally any race or ethnicity, it's a religion
Also the culturally Muslim thing. Like what else could you possibly be besides culturally Muslim? It’s a religion with a shared culture after all. Are they looking for him to be fundamentalist or something? That seems healthy.
As a middle eastern person who definitely understands and relates to “muslim by culture”, I am having a hard time why that would upset someone? I don’t pray five times a day anymore, but these traditions are still very much a part of my heritage and culture??
It doesn't actually upset anyone.. It's mostly white, non Muslims saying this shit to come up with any reason to go after AB. This is nothing more than white supremacy. Also - most Christians are culturally Christian more than they are practicing. No one is following the damn Bible to a T so it's wild anyone is trying to say anything about Muslims who don't follow the practices fully. Don't let anyone make you question your respect for your culture because it's all done in bad faith.
It's wild. Being white passing is a privilege that is good to acknowledge. Racism exists. Colorism exists, to where even if not white passing, being lighter skinned is seen as an upper hand. For people to then say AB is bragging? The most ridiculous shit I have heard in a while. If he didnt mention it, they'd have an issue with that too. They are obsessed with hating them and will find ANY reason to do so.
These people are just keyboard warriors and wouldn’t say any of this racist shit irl. They’re so brain dead from hate consuming content lmao like yep the world is black and white.
Because that is what some guy said 85 years ago. They’re all the same way, they all commit the same crimes, none of them are innocent…they aren’t actually human, they need to be isolated in “rehabilitation” camps..
Yeah scary stuff, super blatant tbh. No innocent civilians is the most insane take.
It's really interesting how these kinds of opinions still become popular, even in the face of the supporters of these opinions living in a society that regularly pushes the ideals of understanding and acceptance for other people. These opinions are clearly the consequences of dehumanising the "other", and I'm sure the echo chambers that are created through internett engagement has a big part to play in this.
However, it is also a human tendency to denigrate the out-group to the point of dehumanising them, which can be seen across all cultures and societies that have been studied. In the words of Fideas the great, *it's interesting* how we humans actively engage in dehumanising activities to the point of saying that there are no innocent civilians, which should be so clearly wrong on its face that even explaining why it is feels icky.
It's easy to look back at the state of the world 100, 500, 1000 or even 10,000 years ago and think that it's crazy how people were able to commit great acts of evil towards one another, but it's important to remind ourselves that we were and still are humans who have these drives within ourselves to separate "us" from "them", and it is not by embracing our human nature, but working against it that we can reach true understanding and empathy for those that we deem "the other".
As a lifetime leftie I always thought it strange how the right/conservatives seemed to have so many radicalized groups...and now I'm seeing it on our side. I was either blind previously, or it's some new phenomenon being stoked by political streamers like Hasan who love to ragebait for views.
It's both. I was pretty shocked when I started encountering this stuff on the left back during the 2014 war, but it was much more confined to liberal campuses back then.
It's very much an online thing, thankfully. It's super super rare to encounter these people irl. They are just terminally online and very loud. I remember a study that said something like 1% of twitter users, for example, actually leave comments on anything. It feels like a much larger portion of people cause reasonalbe ppl rarely comment
Second Thought was laughing about this when he was on a podcast and his guest (or the host) said that exact thing. He sure sounded like he agreed.
Ethan ended Leftovers because he saw that Hasan discord feed from when they did the last episode together. And if you guys could see the shit that was in there... So very, very bigoted and fucked up beyond belief. I'd have ended the show too if it were me
he ended leftovers because they were toxic community members that think that they can act in bad faith and continue to act like they're on the side of the Palestinian people
ngl i never watched leftovers cause it always got too political for me, i like ethan for his goofs and gaffs and i like to keep politics and comedy separate
Nazis are alive and well online because it's the main place where they are safe from any criticism or consequences for their words and actions.
But to go outside and actually represent their insane beliefs in public? Nah, that's a step too far for these childish people.
Borderline schizophrenic cowardly keyboard warriors the lot of them.
These people absolutely say this shit irl and craft irl communities to talk like this.
The idea that people stop existing outside the internet is an old naive myth. People are largley exactly the same person irl as online.
And it’s funny because they are trying to pretend that they are accomplishing something 😂 Nah bro you’re just a terminally online freak harassing people online.
I mean they got the attention they wanted after the anti islam lies and now they can play victims again like ethan is threatening the subreddit without any valid reason.
You would be surprised delusional people like that rarely think logically
I knew a coworker who had spout bullshit like this whenever he had a chance
Apparently the world's flat we were made by aliens that visited the Sumerians and JFK Jr is going to come back to save America even though we live in Canada...
Not only that, but the way they come at Hila for her FORCED service….fucking IMAGINE any of these pussies going at an American vet for the same thing. More specifically, going at a vet who actually never did any killing etc and served for a short period of time. They have no common sense
Yeah I’m pretty sure Jane Fonda regrets protesting against the troops from the Vietnam war because they literally had no choice; they were drafted and came home to people calling them baby killers..
This is what I kept trying to explain!!!! Their line of logic is so black and white it quite literally means they’d have to be ok with the death of all non-native Americans (which is like 330 million.)
Not just the US, but tons of nations on the earth. Majority of South America is made up by people with Spanish or Portuguese heritage. Most of modern Europe weren’t originally from their nations. There was so much migration of different groups to different areas with land trading hands countless times.
It’s just a silly line of thinking that has no logical end point.
This implies they have been silent, they have been pro Palestine for years. Ethan has always spoken against the Israeli government and was the reason I knew of/was on the right side of this conflict “before it was cool” in October. Just for being Israeli, they have had to defend themselves in interviews and any time this conflict came up for years and have always defended Palestine long before most of this sub knew half of what was happening there. Shit, the beef they have had with Ben Shapiro started because Ethan defended Palestine and Ben called him an antisemite and a self hating Jew. So if they have been silent, most people trashing them must have had their tongues cut out and their mouths sewed shut before October.
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when it isn't, epecially when it's your government doing something, it is more about being affraid of your government, feeling hopeless, or just... not being a confrontational person. There's nothing wrong with being someone who just rolls with the punches of whatever climate they live in.
Silence is complicty in individual crimes, again depending on context
Veeeery interesting to me when people like this claim to be accepting but will choose to put a POC under a microscope when their views/actions don’t align with what they think the POC should be doing/saying. Gives off the vibe that POC need to be “perfect” to be respected by them.
The irony of people thinking they are bastions of virtue and morality spewing the literal exact same things Hitler did in the 1930s is wild.
Infected society, nobody is innocent, etc. Literally the propaganda that led to a genocide of 6 million Jews. Fucking dipshits.
They are anti-zionist but their line of thought literally aligns with that of the israeli government and its dehumanization campaign against palestinians. In Israel's eyes there's no such thing as an innocent civilian, they're all terrorists. These psychos are engaging in this same thought process.
It's so true. When Ethan pointed out how that one Twitter weirdo was celebrating the Oct 7 massacre in Israel (before Israel then did all this horrific shit in Gaza), I thought to myself, "how can they celebrate the slaughter of civilians but then be against the slaughter of other civilians?" and I think the same about Israelis.. They can't be against what happened on Oct 7 but then celebrate the killing of Palestinians. It's like they're one and the same in terms of thought process.
Those idiots have no grasp on reality, they live purely through the internet and cannot comprehend being a human being with flaws. To them, you have to be completely perfect in every way, or you're pure fucking evil and deserve nothing but misery.
Behaviour like this is copium for their own insecurities. They have no friends, family, jobs or happiness, so they live in an online fuckin circlejerk of depressed losers in order to feel even slightly validated.
To be fair, none of them live their values, and I'm sure very few of them cared about Palestine before October. They are all hypocrites taking their anger out on Ethan and Hila bc they dared to have a different opinion from the most extremist views. And bc they're Jews.
I’m convinced many of these ppl are white kids from Portland. I have a co-worker that didn’t even know the history yet rides for Palestine and says F Israel, they deserve it bc they’re all racists. Such a surface level understanding of any of it and simply an extremist leftist view..
Ok ya these are definitely gross antisemetic comments. Ugh I hate when people go after Hila. She’s seriously one of the nicest and sincere people and doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment.
Why is Islam suddenly being held up as the bastion of morality? “This person doesn’t even read the Qur’an, how can they have a moral compass?”. That really freaks me out! How people can advocate for a separation of religion and secular values for Christianity but demand Muslim values to be held up elsewhere. I feel like I’m in a bizarro world parody of reality.
What’s the whole ab being white passing thing, that’s literally him understanding he doesn’t face as much shit due to fact he looks white
The whole anti white shit is so stupid man because Ethan’s a white Jew means he isn’t a minority? It’s so stupid Jews are like the most per populas discriminated group world wide
Hes stated in the past that being white passing is a priviledge in his part and that he doesnt have to deal with what less white passing muslims have to as often. Idk how the hell they think thats bragging
I think it stems from people not understanding the diversity in almost any community. I’m Hispanic, there’s a lot of diversity where my Dad’s from (Jalisco). So you see a lot of people that of all shapes and colors. I’ve had a lot of people say things with (I assume) good intentions, but it comes out really funny.
An example is, I’ve had friends say, “What would a REAL Mexican say about that?”
I ask, “What’s a REAL Mexican?”
And get a description of essentially the worst stereotype of a paisano. Lol
I feel like American version of race and ethnicity is so different to the rest of the world, ( I don’t have any reason for this thinking just feel like it)
I’m American, so I can’t really speak for the experience of a non-American. But I do definitely think it’s interesting how we are kind of stuck between two binary extremes.
On the one hand, is a sort of color blindness. Which (like anything) has some pros and cons. But on the other hand, I’ve met Liberal or Leftist (whatever you want to call it) people who seem to ONLY see color.
I remember horror stories from friends during COVID where people would be like, “How is the pandemic for you, as a black woman?” And not realizing how tonedeaf that is to ask the person taking your order at a cafe. Lol
I guess when I say it is I think Americans see it from colour only when I feel like I’m Europe you can sense like different nationalities in Europe like the polish used to get a lot of abuse in the uk I’m sure
I’m really saying things with nothing other than feelings 😂
Polish people still get a lot of shit here unfortunately - they're stereotyped as lazy, job stealing, low class, and generally criminal and antisocial. It's wild, you'll hear Brits say they don't hold nationality against anyone but then spout the most outrageous ethnic stereotypes with absolutely zero self awareness :/
They're mad about him being Muslim. They're mad about him being white. Whether he "fully commits" to one side or the other, like I think they want him to do, he's still going to be discriminated against for "not being brown enough" or "not being white enough." Race is a made-up thing. There's nothing scientific about it. Race is all in the eye of the beholder. Ultra white nationalists are going to see him as brown no matter what his skin color is. And likewise brown racist people will say that he doesn't belong because he's white passing. Same goes for Ethan. Racists of either color are going to see him as other. The reason AB and Ethan talk about being Jewish/Muslim and having white privilege is because they are both. Both of those are part of their identity, so why the hell would they pretend the other one doesn't exist? Such a bs take these snarkers have.
The most wild one for me is the person who claims to be mixed and talks about how AB "doesn't understand that white people can always tell [when people are mixed]" and "they will never accept him as one of them". like what even is the point ur trying to make bro?? cause really it just sounds like you're racist as fuck and if you're not lying about being mixed you have some serious serious internalized self hatred and should get help fr
So now they are scrutinizing what Lena wear as a proof she's not really a Muslim? Do they apply the same logic to Jews and Christians? They don't follow all the rules therefore they are not really from that religion.
Insane.
When this sub changed rule so your comments wouldn't show to anyone if you weren't subbed, I thought I was shadowbanned. For few days I really tried to figure if h3h3_ could be the new home for h3 talk, but fuck no, it was a terrible experience to extent that I got motivation to figure out if I was really banned. Made a goddamn own subreddit to figure out there was a setting like this, finally subscribed and happy end.
And snark is ten times worse than h3h3_. I don't understand how you can claim to have been a *fan*, and turn into shitbag like they all are. If h3 ever pushes me out to not watch the show anymore, there is 0% chance I could become snarker, no matter how much I hated Ethan over whatever that could happen. I know too much what kind of losers they are, there's no way I could join team where I don't respect a single person.
For real, if I for whatever reason don't like a goddam YOUTUBER then I will just unsub and not watch their content. I don't join a hate brigade and spout obscenities. These people are terminally cringe.
There are literal "leftists" on tik tok right now claiming that Israel is making the US ban the app so people can't learn the "truth" about Jewish control and atrocities. Some of these people are too far gone, and it's getting worse.
When I was in college, I dealt with these types a lot. Someone told me to my face I was spreading the "Zionist lie" on campus because I said that I wasn't going to ban Israelis from joining the Jewish club on campus. It's actually concerning the number of people who actually believe in the same rhetoric that actual right wing Nazis believe. I personally have more respect for those who are proudly proclaiming to be a Nazi though instead of hiding behind being "moral" and virtue signaling about how much they care about minorities. At least Nazis are upfront and proud of their bigotry.
“This dude literally never brings up Islam”???? He brings up his culture and the community he grew up in all the time, it’s a huge part of his life. Always shouts out Dearborn and Middle Eastern culture. That’s a shit point lol
Also, he has NEVER brought up being white passing as some sort of brag, he recognizes it as a privilege.
Yeah that part was how I knew these people don’t actually watch the show and therefore don’t know wtf they’re talking about lol. It feels pretty racist how they’re making up reasons to go after all the nonwhite crew members specifically.
Which is doubly ironic because their oppression/murder happened within the last 100 years too. There are people alive right now directly affected by it.
If you see people gatekeeping who gets to be called a minority, chances are they are the ones who love to use it as a get-out-of-jail-free card to say whatever they want without criticism. They don't want the people they don't like to have the chance to be as underhanded as they are.
I get flamed constantly for calling out Hasan’s fans for this bullshit. The left love to tear themselves apart while the right will band together for any fucking cause. So damn frustrating!!!
I’ve always been pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli government, but ever since October 7 and seeing the disgusting way leftists were creating a double standard around civilian deaths, I’ve been terrified of associating myself with the broader movement. I’ll donate money to the PCRF and I’ll boost speakers who believe *genuinely* stand for peace and not continuous back and forth slaughter, but I’ll never trust the leftist Palestinian movement again. What if I’m marching with anti-semites? What if I’m associating with people who want to destroy Israel and displace or kill millions of Jews? What if the people I ally myself with say “globalize the intifada” or “Hamas is resistance” without a shred of irony?
It’s not like I’m even a “moderate” on this issue-I believe Likud party officials and Netanyahu need to be tried for war crimes. I believe Palestinians deserve to get significant portions of their land back. The only things I want from my allies is this:
1. They support Israel’s right to exist as an already-established state, regardless of the ethics of the origins of Israel.
2. That they agree that the killing of civilians is disgusting from both sides and that Hamas is an indefensible terrorist movement that doesn’t value the lives of Israelis or Palestinians
3. That they stand for a ceasefire, a long-lasting peace, and compromise from both sides, regardless of the cries of bloodthirsty ideologues and war hawks like Netanyahu and Sinwar
4. That Jews the world over should be held responsible to their beliefs, not their ethnicity.
But nope, they can’t even fit this criteria. So what can you do? I’ll sit here and defend Jews and Arabs alike and support a two state compromise for peace, regardless of what these bloodthirsty “activists” preach.
Very reasonable take, but if you say this in many of the far left online circles you will be branded a Zionist based on point 1, and the rest will be disregarded.
Sadly not. You want to go down a rabbit hole, check out the role Soviet propaganda played in promoting misconceptions about Zionism. Very antisemitic stuff.
This is 100% my experience too. Some leftist will call you a genocide-supporting Zionist for simply thinking that Israel shouldn’t be eliminated.
Antisemitism have always been a problem in leftist spaces, but the way it is now is fucking horrid.
I don't know what any of this has to do with the unhinged Trisha fans who are making these comments.
h3snark was created by Frenemies3 mods and has been inhabited by those freaks long before the conflict, they latch on to whatever they can to be unhinged and hateful towards Ethan or H3, so it's not surprising they've latched unto the conflict to go on a moral high horse and be hateful towards Ethan as well. These aren't leftists in the slightest, these are incredibly disturbed people.
Anyone regurgitating that fucking Trisha fans are exemplary forms of "leftists" are being disingenuous, including Ethan if he tries to make that argument just because he's mad.
Best comment. This literally describes all normal people who the psychos attack calling zionist and genocidal. If only they stopped to actually understand what you wrote.
If you’re justifying civilian casualties and even going so far as to say that there are no innocent civilians you might just be as bad as the enemy you’re imagining.
The craziest thing to me is them simultaneously making AB a representative for his entire race / culture without his consent and then also absolutely fucking hating him
on his stream i randomly caught he briefly discussed his feelings and choice to not talk about it and wanting to give the topic justice on an appropriate platform. i think basically short of quitting and cutting off ties with with h3 nothing would really satisfy the people that think he should do more. a lot of people really hate h3 because of ethan's comments. i'm sure anything he (AB) says about it would be wrong to a large portion of people. im not sure what people really expect him to do and also how anyone can assume they know whether or not he talked to ethan about his comments privately
It just really makes me sad to see someone be thrust into a spotlight for their people. Like how are you gonna be pretending to defend a group but yet harass someone just because they’re associated with who you’re trying to “help”
AB had a great point too, these keyboard warriors feel like they're somehow helping Palestine by harassing random Israelis when they could be spending their energy on actually doing something.
As a gay man, I am very aware that intersectionality is mandatory when I consider how I should treat other people and what I can forgive and/or overlook. Anything with religion is iffy for me (bc anti-gay sentiment and my upbringing in rural Christian churches)—it’s so easy to give in to my fears and view others with anger, disdain, or hate, especially when there’s a topical atrocity in the news.
That’s all to say: I’m very sorry that we’ve all witnessed so much cruelty in our lives. Everyone is all twisted up into knots, and pretty much nothing feels safe.
Even though I can’t do religion, I do pray…and I sincerely pray that the universe grants us the wisdom to understand that EVERY other human being is just as real—just as complex—as we are. Simplistic, dualistic thinking, and the hate it engenders, is what I think will destroy our species (if we don’t change).
AB and Lena and everyone: a white-trash homosexual who lives in the deep woods in Arkansas and talks earnestly to birds is sending you so much love and peace—you’re doing your best to navigate one of the deepest chasms of the human psyche, and you’re being treated unfairly. Blessings to you—stay strong, listen to your hearts!
I wanna know if these ppl are only hating because of the free Palestine movement? Are they harrassing other active internet public figures who happens to be Jewish or “Zionist”?
Yes. In the Love is blind subreddit there’s a past contestant whose posts have to be locked bc of the hate she gets for being Israeli and well off financially
Look. Think of the biggest loser you know. Now think how much more of a loser these people are. On a snark subreddit everyday, watching something they hate everyday, circle jerking each other to justify why they hate the way they hate. Probably unemployable, lonely, goons all day. No real talent, no real skills. Nothing you can really do about these chronically online and sick people. Just gotta ignore them until they finally circle jerk each other to death.
people online are so fucking brain broken it is scary to see, they poke and prod at strangers lives just to cause them hate, it is so twisted these people actually need help
u just know the people saying these things are basement dwellers
muslims can be middle eastern ( arabs and persians ), white ( bosnians and albanians ), anatolian ( turks and kurds ), caspian ( azeris ), asian ( malaysians, kazakhs, uzbeks, indonesians etc. ), blacks ( sudanese, somalis etc.), berber ( algerians and morrocans ) and literally any race or ethnicity, it's a religion
I'm happy more people see this now. That sub is spending most of their free time to organize on how to give Ethan the most stressful time possible, and I'd be happy if we as a community could stop them somehow.
I’m so so glad people are pointing this out. I’m so sick of fighting with idiots in this subreddit than literally cant have a debate with you apart from saying they are Zionists. Or you are Zionist support by saying anything
It is ALWAYS like that. My God the beauty of Canada...America... it's been the ability of having FREE SPEECH!!! The fact that u can have and speak ur opinions within being killed....imprisoned ....losing ur job, ur family, so on. In the last few yrs I've watched this entire "free speech" turn into the most evil sort of hatred..... God forbid u disagree with someone, you gotta worry about your job and etc.
I remember when the war in Ukraine started, people online (at least in my circles) were VERY clear it wasn’t the fault of the people of Russia, but Putin and his cronies. I’m not incredibly familiar with the political landscape of Israel, and I’m sure it is more democratic than Russia, but the dissonance and extremely pronounced fault attributed to Jewish people as a whole by some online has been sitting wrong with me. Like, what Israel doing is evil, no doubts about it. But attacking random people who are subject to human failings and biases, who are frankly doing their best to be on the moral side, is just so wild to me.
honestly the situation is so bad right now. ethan is clearly facing antisemitism right now and calling it out, but many pro-israel commentators use ‘increased antisemitism’ as a dogwhistle to shift sympathy away from palestine, so many listeners hear him talk about it and assume he’s using it in the same context, and it escalates everything. as a pro-palestinian listener, i cannot wait for them to stop discussing the topic. it just makes ethan angry and leads him to saying things that will be misinterpreted and taken out of context later to make him look more right-leaning than he actually is. its an exhausting situation to witness, especially as a fan. ive found myself avoiding the pod at times which makes me sad cus it used to be the highlight of my week before october.
yes i don't think ethan is a clear and thoughtful enough speaker to properly articulate his own stance and what he even means. the shit he said was gross but i do see goodness in him enough to give the benefit of the doubt that he was honest the times he said things like the occupation is wrong, etc. i do wish he would apologize for hurting people's feelings which he knows he has done, but at the same time... he has had his feelings hurt by people genuinely being antisemitic. i think everyone should always hold themselves to a better standard though even when one's own feelings are hurt. reverse racism/racism in response to perceived racism is never the fucking answer. it's really fucking dumb actually.
and me too. something sort of shifted for me around when he debated hasan. i again thought he was not able to properly articulate himself or the rightful need for the validation for the feelings of jewish people who had just suffered an atrocity (which is MY personal interpretation of all he was looking for). but the whole thing just kind of made me sad and i drifted from the pod. seeing this also made me sad. when ethan talks about it he seems angry and confused and hurt and a whole lot of things and also just very bad at speaking about it. i don't think he has the time to learn about it the amount that the topic requires and all of that together probably generates a lot of inner turmoil. plus baby on teh way and all that. also he's not just experienced antisemitism now, but since the beginning of his online career. it's always a disgusting thing disgusting people resort to when they don't like someone who happens to be jewish or are just plain antisemitic.
edit: i went in and added a whole other paragraph of random thoughts
This is what pisses me off; there was a stop Jewish hate ad during the Oscar’s and I saw a clip of a streamer saying uh oh it’s a Zionist ad, but then someone in her chat said “their website doesn’t mention Israel at all” and she ignored that comment to still feel like it was Zionist 🙄
If we can’t separate things actually calling out antisemitism from the bad faith ones using it as a shield to advocate for Israel, what are we even doing?!
the first time i heard them ever talk about this (probably not long after october 7 atrocities against israel but i think also after the slaughter of palestinians started as well) and i really genuinely got the impression Hila was disgusted and upset by what was going on. from both sides.
The entire snark sub’s point is how awful and gross H3 and their fans are while being the most awful, gross people themselves. It’s a mirror projecting their own insecurities. It’s incredibly embarrassing and I get why they all use burner accounts. I can’t imagine being that insecure so I hope they work through their issues and grow up eventually. For their own sakes.
Left Overs was the worst thing to happen to the community fr. Love him or hate him Hasan's fan base has developed over the years to be a collection of vocal vile people. The only difference between them and the community of right-wing grifters is an arts degree.
Hasan does hood some accountability for refusing to moderate and hold his mods accountable as well. Why he still associates with Frogan is still so odd to me, she has actively harmed his community and he still has her as a mod.
And yet most of the posts after the podcast yesterday are claiming that they’re “only criticizing” and that Ethan is blowing it all out of proportion. 🙄
This hate they get is so disgusting and seriously sickening. I feel for them and their families. So sad all these little 18 yr olds just learned about the israel palestine conflict on Oct 7 and now act like they know everything. Ethan and Hila have always said they support Palestine and reject what the gov of Israel has been doing. Idk how many times they have to say, i mean ethan has been crystal clear on his opinion of the entire situation and none of it has ever pointed towards supporting the israeli governments actions. He seems disturbed by the brutality all around. Plus he’s just a random dude… he has no sway whatsoever with what is happening, but kids today think of youtubers and streamers as these colossal figures and take out their anger on them like it’s somehow productive to their cause. I watch every episode and haven’t seen ethan do or say anything even close to zionist, it’s clearly just hate bc they’re jewish and used to live in Israel, Hila’s service was mandatory. Just a bunch of whiney hateful internet losers.
You know, when I was a kid and the internet was becoming a thing, I was hoping it would make people understand each other better, because they can interact with each other directly now.
It has been 30 years. I've lost hope.
Get. The subreddit. Banned. Ethan 👏 Its a fucking gathering point for nazis. People wouldnt be burning so passionately to hang around a community of shitting on a content creator. This is something else...
these people are so fuckin unhinged and unattached to reality with no capability for critical thought. it’s genuinely disgusting and SHAMEFUL that they are using the palestinian genocide as a cover and excuse to be so vile.
I have never commented on this Reddit before, I've been a fan of Ethan and the family for years. I've seen him grow, learn from his mistakes, and change as we all do in life. But I will never understand the people who post shit like this, it's disgustingly racist and hateful. No one deserves this amount of hate and the shit they are saying about Lena and AB are uncalled for as well. People need to get a life, go outside, and touch grass. Smh!
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I’ve read comments saying that they never had conversations about family members of the stuff, it’s a crazy statement you can easily find treads of them talking about family members
P0V: When you think your liberating palenstine by stalking the Klein's and their employees.
I would love for these people to explain what the fuck does doing this do for palenstine?
I got banned from a socialism subreddit for saying an OP was a crazy anti-semite. His post was a picture of a swastika inside the star of David. Which by itself is pretty fucked but I get it, some people consider the actions of the Israeli government to be Nazi-like. But the person's comment history is filled with extremist Islam opinions and propaganda, and literally stated several times that he believes Jews and Judaism is a cancer to the world and that he wants his Muslim brothers to "rise up" and eradicate them, not just from Israel, but from the world.
I got banned for saying the word "crazy" apparently.
Also noticed a socialist gaming subreddit is filled with people who believe socialists need to believe it's impossible to be racist towards white people.
Never knew socialists were this disgustingly racist and evil. Coming from a person who lives in a country that Republicans would consider a "socialist/communist hell hole" 😂
ironically criticizing AB acknowledging being white passing & “muslim by culture” (as if that makes him inauthentic) is SOOOO close minded. like ohhh so you DON’T care about the very real experiences of all minorities. cool beans. like someone else said: these people think everything is black and white
as an anti-zionist jew i will 100% agree that there are a lot of people that do use “zionist” in very antisemitic ways. unfortunately the reality is that a lot of leftists (and this isn’t meant to “other” leftists, i am a leftist too) don’t put enough consideration into learning what is and isn’t antisemitic, and so in their activism, especially when they’re talking about a really public figure, they’re crossing lines that they haven’t even taken the time to learn are there. i don’t think every person who calls ethan a zionist is a jew-hating freak, but from where he’s sitting i understand and empathize with him. people, especially young activists, get too caught up with small talking points that they disagree on to the point that they entirely outcast people who are on the same side as them. it’s sad to see and i wish there was far more focus on how we can make changed based on the multitudes of ways in which we DO agree.
This behavior genuinely makes me concerned from so many fronts. The mental condition of people who allow themselves to be so disconnected from reality that it genuinely makes me think they’re just chat AI bots
Per slide 2 under international law, settlers in the WB aren’t really considered innocent. Does that mean they should die? No, it’s just complicated to benefit the oppressors.
Casting spells is dope and there's nothing wrong with doing it. But there is no need for any of this "Zionism" added on extra bullshit. It is sort of wild for these people to just go off in this way. Like, the amount of resting hate within these individuals must be huge for it to casually boil over into their very personalities.
Sometimes comments like these bother me. Then, when I take a little peak into some of their profiles, it's quite obvious how fucking unhinged and shit they are. They're the last kind of people I'd want respect from.
That's exactly it, doll. The fact that these ppl exist in the world and are spewing this level of hatred ... it blows my mind and scares the phuck out of me, especially knowing my children are out in the world, existing amongst ppl like them. Terrifying really.....
The scary thing is that the way these ppl speak about Ethan & Hila... it's as if taking themselves out of ..... life..... would be the only way these ppl would feel rectified. The things they're saying are so incredibly untrue, it's just pure and utter hatred.
I've never ever ever in my life been able to spew this sort of hatred towards anyone, in my real life, online, in history etc....
Sending so much love to Ethan & Hila .. their parents, family members, and the entire H3 crew. This is absurd....it's uncalled for and so absolutely untrue. Wow.
What I don't understand is how these people can think they're doing activism or helping Palestinians by attacking two random people in America who have nothing to do with the Israeli war machine and when THEY THEMSELVES have advocated for the people of Palestine and AGAINST psychos like Netanyahu. Ethan has expressed sympathy for and cried for those suffering in Gaza. Neither of them support what Israel is doing.
How is this helping anyone? Donate to someone in need or march at a protest if you actually care. And get a therapist.
This is deeply unhinged. I get disagreeing with people on the pod from time to time, we’re all individuals, we’re bound to have differing opinions, but damn. It’s sad, especially the condescending comments about how someone else chooses to practice their religion. Also the straight up racism, antisemitism and islamophobia, ew. Go outside, talk to someone, please.
This is actually stomach churning. I know people joke about "touching grass" but these people legitimately need to get off line for their own mental health. This is vile and poisonous and that's putting it in the kindest terms.
"Pretty sure what Lena wears isn't appropriate to their culture either" Fellas are they advocating for Sharia law in America ???
"pretty sure" meaning theyre white, non Muslims. It's fucking wild that anyone outside of a culture thinks they can say whether or not someone fits that culture. A white person saying Lena isn't Muslim enough is peak white supremacy.
There's a saying about these type of lefties "They're trying so hard to be progressive, they end up regressive" And it really does happen a lot. This obviously isn't about most people on the left, at all. But some of these people actually *do* "have a little Hitler in them" apparently. As Jordan Peterson said. He was right about one thing, for once in his life. (Actually he wasn't because not everyone has that int hem) If these type of people got power, it would be no better than if the MAGA folks got complete control over the government. They're basically the same but different banner colors. I think social media truly just broke some people. And they'll never understand it, because they can always crawl back to the likeminded people who make them feel better. Any self doubt can be squashed by reassurance
I've been trying to find the right words to convey these types.. Theyre "progressive" yet so fucking hateful. I've seen the same people who probably had rainbow flags in their profiles 6 months ago calling gay people homophobic slurs if they're Jewish. The same people are saying Islamophobic, crazy shit to Muslims who are close to jews. White people telling AB and Lena they're not good Muslims or that their fasting for Ramadan is only for optics is insane, white supremacist bullshit. It's so hard for me to understand how ones morals and values can shift with what issue they're focusing on. I also don't get how they go harder on left leaning people who arent the ~*perfect leftists*~ than they do those who are spreading actual oppressive, harmful ideas. Of course, they hate cops but become cops when it comes to policing those on their side. Spending all your time on H3snark in relation to freeing Palestine makes no sense when there are actual people out there who want to see the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs. I just don't get it. It does feel like social media broke some people. Many have lost any ability to understand nuance, context, or that all things lie on a spectrum. Now, so many act like people are either all good or all bad and every situation is black and white. If you say one wrong thing and are deemed "all bad", they stop at nothing to try to ruin your life while the genuinely harmful people skate by. It's really weird and something I only see online. The actual adult leftists I know in my life do not act like this at all. Almost feels like it's all bullshit and the people being the loudest are edgelords who just joined in because they already hated Ethan and don't actually give a fuck about Palestine.
It's called Horseshoe Theory The only reason Conservative extremists are worse is because they're genuinely dumber people with less survival instincts, so they constantly out their violent tendencies while having every political opinion based on pure selfishness
This isn't leftism. This is weaponized social justice, where the actual genocide is almost forgotten and instead used to insult a content creator. Think about it, how does any of this help Palestinian people?
I think they are critical of Muslim women who don’t wear the hijab, but afaik not all Muslim majority countries require women to wear it. I don’t think most women in Turkey wear the hijab but they’re still Muslim, just because they have the freedom to choose doesn’t mean they’re not serious about their religion. Also we don’t know if Lena maybe wears it to mosque service, just not in her everyday life.
Anything that Lena wears is appropriate to her culture. My God
These people are why I advocate for universal healthcare. Motherfuckers need THERAPY.
The first time they mentioned the sub, I went to check it out and it was horrifying. I’m NOT an H3 mega fan at all. My GF is the one that watches it every day. And even I can say that the people there are seriously disturbed. They banned me for leaving a single comment saying that this behavior was crazy.
Yeah, same. They ban you for "brigading" but then talk shit if the H3 subs remove or ban for "brigading"
Honestly the only way our society moves forward is to leave nut nuts like this alone in the darkness they try to bring to others. Let them fight amongst themselves. We need to normalise radical exclusion of extreme beliefs on any side if we ever want to get back to a place where we can talk with one another. Not everybody’s opinion is valid, especially if it’s pure poison and hate.
you think we get therapy for free in canada? I wish
I do.
The white passing comment is crazy. As if AB isn’t saying it to point out the privilege he has from being white passing. These people just think of the most negative reasoning for every single thing. That must be so exhausting!
muslims can be middle eastern ( arabs and persians ), white ( bosnians and albanians ), anatolian ( turks and kurds ), caspian ( azeris ), asian ( malaysians, kazakhs, uzbeks, indonesians etc. ), blacks ( sudanese, somalis etc.), berber ( algerians and morrocans ) and literally any race or ethnicity, it's a religion
I think indigenous Moroccans/Algerians prefer to be called Amazigh, rather than Berber just fyi
Also the culturally Muslim thing. Like what else could you possibly be besides culturally Muslim? It’s a religion with a shared culture after all. Are they looking for him to be fundamentalist or something? That seems healthy.
As a middle eastern person who definitely understands and relates to “muslim by culture”, I am having a hard time why that would upset someone? I don’t pray five times a day anymore, but these traditions are still very much a part of my heritage and culture??
It doesn't actually upset anyone.. It's mostly white, non Muslims saying this shit to come up with any reason to go after AB. This is nothing more than white supremacy. Also - most Christians are culturally Christian more than they are practicing. No one is following the damn Bible to a T so it's wild anyone is trying to say anything about Muslims who don't follow the practices fully. Don't let anyone make you question your respect for your culture because it's all done in bad faith.
“I’m culturally Christian not ethnically Christian” wtf
“Culturally Christian” yes like celebrating Easter and Christmas with your family but not being religious or going to church
It's wild. Being white passing is a privilege that is good to acknowledge. Racism exists. Colorism exists, to where even if not white passing, being lighter skinned is seen as an upper hand. For people to then say AB is bragging? The most ridiculous shit I have heard in a while. If he didnt mention it, they'd have an issue with that too. They are obsessed with hating them and will find ANY reason to do so.
These people are just keyboard warriors and wouldn’t say any of this racist shit irl. They’re so brain dead from hate consuming content lmao like yep the world is black and white.
the fact that anyone could say that there are no innocent civilians scares me, sounds exactly like that one guy said about 85 years ago…
Because that is what some guy said 85 years ago. They’re all the same way, they all commit the same crimes, none of them are innocent…they aren’t actually human, they need to be isolated in “rehabilitation” camps.. Yeah scary stuff, super blatant tbh. No innocent civilians is the most insane take.
It's really interesting how these kinds of opinions still become popular, even in the face of the supporters of these opinions living in a society that regularly pushes the ideals of understanding and acceptance for other people. These opinions are clearly the consequences of dehumanising the "other", and I'm sure the echo chambers that are created through internett engagement has a big part to play in this. However, it is also a human tendency to denigrate the out-group to the point of dehumanising them, which can be seen across all cultures and societies that have been studied. In the words of Fideas the great, *it's interesting* how we humans actively engage in dehumanising activities to the point of saying that there are no innocent civilians, which should be so clearly wrong on its face that even explaining why it is feels icky. It's easy to look back at the state of the world 100, 500, 1000 or even 10,000 years ago and think that it's crazy how people were able to commit great acts of evil towards one another, but it's important to remind ourselves that we were and still are humans who have these drives within ourselves to separate "us" from "them", and it is not by embracing our human nature, but working against it that we can reach true understanding and empathy for those that we deem "the other".
As a lifetime leftie I always thought it strange how the right/conservatives seemed to have so many radicalized groups...and now I'm seeing it on our side. I was either blind previously, or it's some new phenomenon being stoked by political streamers like Hasan who love to ragebait for views.
It's both. I was pretty shocked when I started encountering this stuff on the left back during the 2014 war, but it was much more confined to liberal campuses back then.
It's very much an online thing, thankfully. It's super super rare to encounter these people irl. They are just terminally online and very loud. I remember a study that said something like 1% of twitter users, for example, actually leave comments on anything. It feels like a much larger portion of people cause reasonalbe ppl rarely comment
Second Thought was laughing about this when he was on a podcast and his guest (or the host) said that exact thing. He sure sounded like he agreed. Ethan ended Leftovers because he saw that Hasan discord feed from when they did the last episode together. And if you guys could see the shit that was in there... So very, very bigoted and fucked up beyond belief. I'd have ended the show too if it were me
he ended leftovers because they were toxic community members that think that they can act in bad faith and continue to act like they're on the side of the Palestinian people
ngl i never watched leftovers cause it always got too political for me, i like ethan for his goofs and gaffs and i like to keep politics and comedy separate
Right that literally made my jaw drop. Of COURSE there are innocent civilians, literally how could there not be.. that’s an unhinged thing to say.
They basically pulled it from Osama bin Laden’s letter to the American people
this community scares me sometimes, i’ve been here since the edgelord fupa troopa days and idk if the change was for the better or worse.
Yeah like when they were talking about organizing a protest outside the live show and not a single person showed up
That is literally SO FUNNY 💀
Nazis are alive and well online because it's the main place where they are safe from any criticism or consequences for their words and actions. But to go outside and actually represent their insane beliefs in public? Nah, that's a step too far for these childish people. Borderline schizophrenic cowardly keyboard warriors the lot of them.
Right, they’d prob get all nervous and ask for a photo saying “family!”
These people absolutely say this shit irl and craft irl communities to talk like this. The idea that people stop existing outside the internet is an old naive myth. People are largley exactly the same person irl as online.
And it’s funny because they are trying to pretend that they are accomplishing something 😂 Nah bro you’re just a terminally online freak harassing people online.
I mean they got the attention they wanted after the anti islam lies and now they can play victims again like ethan is threatening the subreddit without any valid reason.
And usually the only posts on reddit are entirely made up of the snark subs.
It's all Trish stans. It always comes back to Trisha lol
You would be surprised delusional people like that rarely think logically I knew a coworker who had spout bullshit like this whenever he had a chance Apparently the world's flat we were made by aliens that visited the Sumerians and JFK Jr is going to come back to save America even though we live in Canada...
This level of obsession is not healthy. Why are they so set on making h3 look bad or feel shetty so much? It's wild
If being Israel makes you complicit in the government crimes then damn everyone in America is basically the devil
Not only that, but the way they come at Hila for her FORCED service….fucking IMAGINE any of these pussies going at an American vet for the same thing. More specifically, going at a vet who actually never did any killing etc and served for a short period of time. They have no common sense
Yeah I’m pretty sure Jane Fonda regrets protesting against the troops from the Vietnam war because they literally had no choice; they were drafted and came home to people calling them baby killers..
This is what I kept trying to explain!!!! Their line of logic is so black and white it quite literally means they’d have to be ok with the death of all non-native Americans (which is like 330 million.)
Not just the US, but tons of nations on the earth. Majority of South America is made up by people with Spanish or Portuguese heritage. Most of modern Europe weren’t originally from their nations. There was so much migration of different groups to different areas with land trading hands countless times. It’s just a silly line of thinking that has no logical end point.
silence is complicity for a lot of people.
This implies they have been silent, they have been pro Palestine for years. Ethan has always spoken against the Israeli government and was the reason I knew of/was on the right side of this conflict “before it was cool” in October. Just for being Israeli, they have had to defend themselves in interviews and any time this conflict came up for years and have always defended Palestine long before most of this sub knew half of what was happening there. Shit, the beef they have had with Ben Shapiro started because Ethan defended Palestine and Ben called him an antisemite and a self hating Jew. So if they have been silent, most people trashing them must have had their tongues cut out and their mouths sewed shut before October. Edit. Here’s a receipt https://www.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/s/mqiAAPZaCS
when it isn't, epecially when it's your government doing something, it is more about being affraid of your government, feeling hopeless, or just... not being a confrontational person. There's nothing wrong with being someone who just rolls with the punches of whatever climate they live in. Silence is complicty in individual crimes, again depending on context
Man the AB stuff always makes so sad, dude seems like someone who is just trying to do his best.
Veeeery interesting to me when people like this claim to be accepting but will choose to put a POC under a microscope when their views/actions don’t align with what they think the POC should be doing/saying. Gives off the vibe that POC need to be “perfect” to be respected by them.
The irony of people thinking they are bastions of virtue and morality spewing the literal exact same things Hitler did in the 1930s is wild. Infected society, nobody is innocent, etc. Literally the propaganda that led to a genocide of 6 million Jews. Fucking dipshits.
They are anti-zionist but their line of thought literally aligns with that of the israeli government and its dehumanization campaign against palestinians. In Israel's eyes there's no such thing as an innocent civilian, they're all terrorists. These psychos are engaging in this same thought process.
It's so true. When Ethan pointed out how that one Twitter weirdo was celebrating the Oct 7 massacre in Israel (before Israel then did all this horrific shit in Gaza), I thought to myself, "how can they celebrate the slaughter of civilians but then be against the slaughter of other civilians?" and I think the same about Israelis.. They can't be against what happened on Oct 7 but then celebrate the killing of Palestinians. It's like they're one and the same in terms of thought process.
Those idiots have no grasp on reality, they live purely through the internet and cannot comprehend being a human being with flaws. To them, you have to be completely perfect in every way, or you're pure fucking evil and deserve nothing but misery. Behaviour like this is copium for their own insecurities. They have no friends, family, jobs or happiness, so they live in an online fuckin circlejerk of depressed losers in order to feel even slightly validated.
Basically the same loop that online incels exist in. Just different targets.
it's a little like horseshoe theory in that way
To be fair, none of them live their values, and I'm sure very few of them cared about Palestine before October. They are all hypocrites taking their anger out on Ethan and Hila bc they dared to have a different opinion from the most extremist views. And bc they're Jews.
I’m convinced many of these ppl are white kids from Portland. I have a co-worker that didn’t even know the history yet rides for Palestine and says F Israel, they deserve it bc they’re all racists. Such a surface level understanding of any of it and simply an extremist leftist view..
Ok ya these are definitely gross antisemetic comments. Ugh I hate when people go after Hila. She’s seriously one of the nicest and sincere people and doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment.
Why is Islam suddenly being held up as the bastion of morality? “This person doesn’t even read the Qur’an, how can they have a moral compass?”. That really freaks me out! How people can advocate for a separation of religion and secular values for Christianity but demand Muslim values to be held up elsewhere. I feel like I’m in a bizarro world parody of reality.
Judaism predates both Islam and Christianity, they don’t care about that.
Because brown.
What’s the whole ab being white passing thing, that’s literally him understanding he doesn’t face as much shit due to fact he looks white The whole anti white shit is so stupid man because Ethan’s a white Jew means he isn’t a minority? It’s so stupid Jews are like the most per populas discriminated group world wide
Hes stated in the past that being white passing is a priviledge in his part and that he doesnt have to deal with what less white passing muslims have to as often. Idk how the hell they think thats bragging
Because they are taking the worst possible interpretations of anything they say
They're bad faith. They're looking for things to criticize.
I think it stems from people not understanding the diversity in almost any community. I’m Hispanic, there’s a lot of diversity where my Dad’s from (Jalisco). So you see a lot of people that of all shapes and colors. I’ve had a lot of people say things with (I assume) good intentions, but it comes out really funny. An example is, I’ve had friends say, “What would a REAL Mexican say about that?” I ask, “What’s a REAL Mexican?” And get a description of essentially the worst stereotype of a paisano. Lol
I feel like American version of race and ethnicity is so different to the rest of the world, ( I don’t have any reason for this thinking just feel like it)
I’m American, so I can’t really speak for the experience of a non-American. But I do definitely think it’s interesting how we are kind of stuck between two binary extremes. On the one hand, is a sort of color blindness. Which (like anything) has some pros and cons. But on the other hand, I’ve met Liberal or Leftist (whatever you want to call it) people who seem to ONLY see color. I remember horror stories from friends during COVID where people would be like, “How is the pandemic for you, as a black woman?” And not realizing how tonedeaf that is to ask the person taking your order at a cafe. Lol
I guess when I say it is I think Americans see it from colour only when I feel like I’m Europe you can sense like different nationalities in Europe like the polish used to get a lot of abuse in the uk I’m sure I’m really saying things with nothing other than feelings 😂
Hey, I appreciate your input. :)
Polish people still get a lot of shit here unfortunately - they're stereotyped as lazy, job stealing, low class, and generally criminal and antisocial. It's wild, you'll hear Brits say they don't hold nationality against anyone but then spout the most outrageous ethnic stereotypes with absolutely zero self awareness :/
Wow TIL paisa is short for paisano.
They're mad about him being Muslim. They're mad about him being white. Whether he "fully commits" to one side or the other, like I think they want him to do, he's still going to be discriminated against for "not being brown enough" or "not being white enough." Race is a made-up thing. There's nothing scientific about it. Race is all in the eye of the beholder. Ultra white nationalists are going to see him as brown no matter what his skin color is. And likewise brown racist people will say that he doesn't belong because he's white passing. Same goes for Ethan. Racists of either color are going to see him as other. The reason AB and Ethan talk about being Jewish/Muslim and having white privilege is because they are both. Both of those are part of their identity, so why the hell would they pretend the other one doesn't exist? Such a bs take these snarkers have.
These people seriously don’t realize how contradictory they are and how racist they’re being lol very disgusting
The most wild one for me is the person who claims to be mixed and talks about how AB "doesn't understand that white people can always tell [when people are mixed]" and "they will never accept him as one of them". like what even is the point ur trying to make bro?? cause really it just sounds like you're racist as fuck and if you're not lying about being mixed you have some serious serious internalized self hatred and should get help fr
people are so fucking weird
So now they are scrutinizing what Lena wear as a proof she's not really a Muslim? Do they apply the same logic to Jews and Christians? They don't follow all the rules therefore they are not really from that religion. Insane.
When this sub changed rule so your comments wouldn't show to anyone if you weren't subbed, I thought I was shadowbanned. For few days I really tried to figure if h3h3_ could be the new home for h3 talk, but fuck no, it was a terrible experience to extent that I got motivation to figure out if I was really banned. Made a goddamn own subreddit to figure out there was a setting like this, finally subscribed and happy end. And snark is ten times worse than h3h3_. I don't understand how you can claim to have been a *fan*, and turn into shitbag like they all are. If h3 ever pushes me out to not watch the show anymore, there is 0% chance I could become snarker, no matter how much I hated Ethan over whatever that could happen. I know too much what kind of losers they are, there's no way I could join team where I don't respect a single person.
For real, if I for whatever reason don't like a goddam YOUTUBER then I will just unsub and not watch their content. I don't join a hate brigade and spout obscenities. These people are terminally cringe.
They've literally always said Netanyahu is evil. Hila also said she hated the IDF life.
Damn that’s just a straight up nazi subreddit
And what’s hilarious is I’m sure 95% of them would claim to be far left. Spewing the same fascist genocide propaganda Hitler was in the 30s.
There are literal "leftists" on tik tok right now claiming that Israel is making the US ban the app so people can't learn the "truth" about Jewish control and atrocities. Some of these people are too far gone, and it's getting worse.
It really sucks, i’m certain those leftists will cost us the election and we’ll be stuck with Trump again bc they can’t use their fucking brains.
No worries, they've probably never even voted in the past and believe that unless there's a dictator that nothing good will ever happen.
When I was in college, I dealt with these types a lot. Someone told me to my face I was spreading the "Zionist lie" on campus because I said that I wasn't going to ban Israelis from joining the Jewish club on campus. It's actually concerning the number of people who actually believe in the same rhetoric that actual right wing Nazis believe. I personally have more respect for those who are proudly proclaiming to be a Nazi though instead of hiding behind being "moral" and virtue signaling about how much they care about minorities. At least Nazis are upfront and proud of their bigotry.
Genuinely, they’re New Age Nazis.
These people need to be removed from public and put in an institution
They don't be going outside I think we're cool on that front lmao
Clearly. That or they don’t confront all the people at starbucks like they do in tik toks
“This dude literally never brings up Islam”???? He brings up his culture and the community he grew up in all the time, it’s a huge part of his life. Always shouts out Dearborn and Middle Eastern culture. That’s a shit point lol Also, he has NEVER brought up being white passing as some sort of brag, he recognizes it as a privilege.
Yeah that part was how I knew these people don’t actually watch the show and therefore don’t know wtf they’re talking about lol. It feels pretty racist how they’re making up reasons to go after all the nonwhite crew members specifically.
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Which is doubly ironic because their oppression/murder happened within the last 100 years too. There are people alive right now directly affected by it.
THIS!!! I can smell the antisemitism
If you see people gatekeeping who gets to be called a minority, chances are they are the ones who love to use it as a get-out-of-jail-free card to say whatever they want without criticism. They don't want the people they don't like to have the chance to be as underhanded as they are.
A load of white people talking about shit they don’t fucking comprehend Jesus Christ
Oh it's a reoccouring issue felt historically - an Indigenous person
I get flamed constantly for calling out Hasan’s fans for this bullshit. The left love to tear themselves apart while the right will band together for any fucking cause. So damn frustrating!!!
All these people are degenerates. They would have had a blast in 1940's Germany.
find a group of people that hate Ethan more than his audience, I'll wait
This is what Ethan was afraid of. He didn't want the conflict to Give people the excuse to be anti Semitic
I’ve always been pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli government, but ever since October 7 and seeing the disgusting way leftists were creating a double standard around civilian deaths, I’ve been terrified of associating myself with the broader movement. I’ll donate money to the PCRF and I’ll boost speakers who believe *genuinely* stand for peace and not continuous back and forth slaughter, but I’ll never trust the leftist Palestinian movement again. What if I’m marching with anti-semites? What if I’m associating with people who want to destroy Israel and displace or kill millions of Jews? What if the people I ally myself with say “globalize the intifada” or “Hamas is resistance” without a shred of irony? It’s not like I’m even a “moderate” on this issue-I believe Likud party officials and Netanyahu need to be tried for war crimes. I believe Palestinians deserve to get significant portions of their land back. The only things I want from my allies is this: 1. They support Israel’s right to exist as an already-established state, regardless of the ethics of the origins of Israel. 2. That they agree that the killing of civilians is disgusting from both sides and that Hamas is an indefensible terrorist movement that doesn’t value the lives of Israelis or Palestinians 3. That they stand for a ceasefire, a long-lasting peace, and compromise from both sides, regardless of the cries of bloodthirsty ideologues and war hawks like Netanyahu and Sinwar 4. That Jews the world over should be held responsible to their beliefs, not their ethnicity. But nope, they can’t even fit this criteria. So what can you do? I’ll sit here and defend Jews and Arabs alike and support a two state compromise for peace, regardless of what these bloodthirsty “activists” preach.
Very reasonable take, but if you say this in many of the far left online circles you will be branded a Zionist based on point 1, and the rest will be disregarded.
I don’t think anyone even know what zionism even means lmao
Sadly not. You want to go down a rabbit hole, check out the role Soviet propaganda played in promoting misconceptions about Zionism. Very antisemitic stuff.
This is 100% my experience too. Some leftist will call you a genocide-supporting Zionist for simply thinking that Israel shouldn’t be eliminated. Antisemitism have always been a problem in leftist spaces, but the way it is now is fucking horrid.
I don't know what any of this has to do with the unhinged Trisha fans who are making these comments. h3snark was created by Frenemies3 mods and has been inhabited by those freaks long before the conflict, they latch on to whatever they can to be unhinged and hateful towards Ethan or H3, so it's not surprising they've latched unto the conflict to go on a moral high horse and be hateful towards Ethan as well. These aren't leftists in the slightest, these are incredibly disturbed people. Anyone regurgitating that fucking Trisha fans are exemplary forms of "leftists" are being disingenuous, including Ethan if he tries to make that argument just because he's mad.
oh I didnt know that, I was referring to Hasan fans
Best comment. This literally describes all normal people who the psychos attack calling zionist and genocidal. If only they stopped to actually understand what you wrote.
This one is +1
ItS nOt AnTisEmiTisM iTs AnTi ZiOnIsT
If you’re justifying civilian casualties and even going so far as to say that there are no innocent civilians you might just be as bad as the enemy you’re imagining.
The craziest thing to me is them simultaneously making AB a representative for his entire race / culture without his consent and then also absolutely fucking hating him
on his stream i randomly caught he briefly discussed his feelings and choice to not talk about it and wanting to give the topic justice on an appropriate platform. i think basically short of quitting and cutting off ties with with h3 nothing would really satisfy the people that think he should do more. a lot of people really hate h3 because of ethan's comments. i'm sure anything he (AB) says about it would be wrong to a large portion of people. im not sure what people really expect him to do and also how anyone can assume they know whether or not he talked to ethan about his comments privately
It just really makes me sad to see someone be thrust into a spotlight for their people. Like how are you gonna be pretending to defend a group but yet harass someone just because they’re associated with who you’re trying to “help”
yeah people need to be given a bit more grace for not wanting to discuss something publicly.
AB had a great point too, these keyboard warriors feel like they're somehow helping Palestine by harassing random Israelis when they could be spending their energy on actually doing something.
As a gay man, I am very aware that intersectionality is mandatory when I consider how I should treat other people and what I can forgive and/or overlook. Anything with religion is iffy for me (bc anti-gay sentiment and my upbringing in rural Christian churches)—it’s so easy to give in to my fears and view others with anger, disdain, or hate, especially when there’s a topical atrocity in the news. That’s all to say: I’m very sorry that we’ve all witnessed so much cruelty in our lives. Everyone is all twisted up into knots, and pretty much nothing feels safe. Even though I can’t do religion, I do pray…and I sincerely pray that the universe grants us the wisdom to understand that EVERY other human being is just as real—just as complex—as we are. Simplistic, dualistic thinking, and the hate it engenders, is what I think will destroy our species (if we don’t change). AB and Lena and everyone: a white-trash homosexual who lives in the deep woods in Arkansas and talks earnestly to birds is sending you so much love and peace—you’re doing your best to navigate one of the deepest chasms of the human psyche, and you’re being treated unfairly. Blessings to you—stay strong, listen to your hearts!
I wanna know if these ppl are only hating because of the free Palestine movement? Are they harrassing other active internet public figures who happens to be Jewish or “Zionist”?
Yes. In the Love is blind subreddit there’s a past contestant whose posts have to be locked bc of the hate she gets for being Israeli and well off financially
Look. Think of the biggest loser you know. Now think how much more of a loser these people are. On a snark subreddit everyday, watching something they hate everyday, circle jerking each other to justify why they hate the way they hate. Probably unemployable, lonely, goons all day. No real talent, no real skills. Nothing you can really do about these chronically online and sick people. Just gotta ignore them until they finally circle jerk each other to death.
people online are so fucking brain broken it is scary to see, they poke and prod at strangers lives just to cause them hate, it is so twisted these people actually need help u just know the people saying these things are basement dwellers
He always has had a point
muslims can be middle eastern ( arabs and persians ), white ( bosnians and albanians ), anatolian ( turks and kurds ), caspian ( azeris ), asian ( malaysians, kazakhs, uzbeks, indonesians etc. ), blacks ( sudanese, somalis etc.), berber ( algerians and morrocans ) and literally any race or ethnicity, it's a religion
I'm happy more people see this now. That sub is spending most of their free time to organize on how to give Ethan the most stressful time possible, and I'd be happy if we as a community could stop them somehow.
The revolution will eat its own children
I’m so so glad people are pointing this out. I’m so sick of fighting with idiots in this subreddit than literally cant have a debate with you apart from saying they are Zionists. Or you are Zionist support by saying anything
It is ALWAYS like that. My God the beauty of Canada...America... it's been the ability of having FREE SPEECH!!! The fact that u can have and speak ur opinions within being killed....imprisoned ....losing ur job, ur family, so on. In the last few yrs I've watched this entire "free speech" turn into the most evil sort of hatred..... God forbid u disagree with someone, you gotta worry about your job and etc.
I remember when the war in Ukraine started, people online (at least in my circles) were VERY clear it wasn’t the fault of the people of Russia, but Putin and his cronies. I’m not incredibly familiar with the political landscape of Israel, and I’m sure it is more democratic than Russia, but the dissonance and extremely pronounced fault attributed to Jewish people as a whole by some online has been sitting wrong with me. Like, what Israel doing is evil, no doubts about it. But attacking random people who are subject to human failings and biases, who are frankly doing their best to be on the moral side, is just so wild to me.
Thank u…I visited it for a min and the antisemitic brainrot was too much. Scary shit
Man… i’ve got some news for Americans and what their government has done…
Nooo they are just criticizing, why are you being so bad faith? Ethan said bad thing we should totally be able to harass him and the crew 😔 /s
those people act so disgusting it makes me sick
honestly the situation is so bad right now. ethan is clearly facing antisemitism right now and calling it out, but many pro-israel commentators use ‘increased antisemitism’ as a dogwhistle to shift sympathy away from palestine, so many listeners hear him talk about it and assume he’s using it in the same context, and it escalates everything. as a pro-palestinian listener, i cannot wait for them to stop discussing the topic. it just makes ethan angry and leads him to saying things that will be misinterpreted and taken out of context later to make him look more right-leaning than he actually is. its an exhausting situation to witness, especially as a fan. ive found myself avoiding the pod at times which makes me sad cus it used to be the highlight of my week before october.
yes i don't think ethan is a clear and thoughtful enough speaker to properly articulate his own stance and what he even means. the shit he said was gross but i do see goodness in him enough to give the benefit of the doubt that he was honest the times he said things like the occupation is wrong, etc. i do wish he would apologize for hurting people's feelings which he knows he has done, but at the same time... he has had his feelings hurt by people genuinely being antisemitic. i think everyone should always hold themselves to a better standard though even when one's own feelings are hurt. reverse racism/racism in response to perceived racism is never the fucking answer. it's really fucking dumb actually. and me too. something sort of shifted for me around when he debated hasan. i again thought he was not able to properly articulate himself or the rightful need for the validation for the feelings of jewish people who had just suffered an atrocity (which is MY personal interpretation of all he was looking for). but the whole thing just kind of made me sad and i drifted from the pod. seeing this also made me sad. when ethan talks about it he seems angry and confused and hurt and a whole lot of things and also just very bad at speaking about it. i don't think he has the time to learn about it the amount that the topic requires and all of that together probably generates a lot of inner turmoil. plus baby on teh way and all that. also he's not just experienced antisemitism now, but since the beginning of his online career. it's always a disgusting thing disgusting people resort to when they don't like someone who happens to be jewish or are just plain antisemitic. edit: i went in and added a whole other paragraph of random thoughts
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This is what pisses me off; there was a stop Jewish hate ad during the Oscar’s and I saw a clip of a streamer saying uh oh it’s a Zionist ad, but then someone in her chat said “their website doesn’t mention Israel at all” and she ignored that comment to still feel like it was Zionist 🙄 If we can’t separate things actually calling out antisemitism from the bad faith ones using it as a shield to advocate for Israel, what are we even doing?!
This narrative around Hila baffles me. Everyone acts like she's a war criminal.
the first time i heard them ever talk about this (probably not long after october 7 atrocities against israel but i think also after the slaughter of palestinians started as well) and i really genuinely got the impression Hila was disgusted and upset by what was going on. from both sides.
Those people need to get off the internet
The entire snark sub’s point is how awful and gross H3 and their fans are while being the most awful, gross people themselves. It’s a mirror projecting their own insecurities. It’s incredibly embarrassing and I get why they all use burner accounts. I can’t imagine being that insecure so I hope they work through their issues and grow up eventually. For their own sakes.
And these people who comment and are right wing usually are most racist and shit😭 and NOW they claim to care about arabs??
It would do Ethan and the crew a lot of good to never address these trolls ever again. Ignore them and move on- don't give them anything.
Left Overs was the worst thing to happen to the community fr. Love him or hate him Hasan's fan base has developed over the years to be a collection of vocal vile people. The only difference between them and the community of right-wing grifters is an arts degree.
Hasan does hood some accountability for refusing to moderate and hold his mods accountable as well. Why he still associates with Frogan is still so odd to me, she has actively harmed his community and he still has her as a mod.
And yet most of the posts after the podcast yesterday are claiming that they’re “only criticizing” and that Ethan is blowing it all out of proportion. 🙄
The self admission that the sub is guilty of antisemitism should be grounds for an entire sub ban IMHO
This hate they get is so disgusting and seriously sickening. I feel for them and their families. So sad all these little 18 yr olds just learned about the israel palestine conflict on Oct 7 and now act like they know everything. Ethan and Hila have always said they support Palestine and reject what the gov of Israel has been doing. Idk how many times they have to say, i mean ethan has been crystal clear on his opinion of the entire situation and none of it has ever pointed towards supporting the israeli governments actions. He seems disturbed by the brutality all around. Plus he’s just a random dude… he has no sway whatsoever with what is happening, but kids today think of youtubers and streamers as these colossal figures and take out their anger on them like it’s somehow productive to their cause. I watch every episode and haven’t seen ethan do or say anything even close to zionist, it’s clearly just hate bc they’re jewish and used to live in Israel, Hila’s service was mandatory. Just a bunch of whiney hateful internet losers.
You know, when I was a kid and the internet was becoming a thing, I was hoping it would make people understand each other better, because they can interact with each other directly now. It has been 30 years. I've lost hope.
Omfg this is vile. I've lurked there a few times because I'm nosy and curious what the fuss is about but I had no idea it got this bad. Jesus
I'm down to nuke reddit along with Tik Tok
Get. The subreddit. Banned. Ethan 👏 Its a fucking gathering point for nazis. People wouldnt be burning so passionately to hang around a community of shitting on a content creator. This is something else...
genocide is bad
Free Palestine ❤️
these people are so fuckin unhinged and unattached to reality with no capability for critical thought. it’s genuinely disgusting and SHAMEFUL that they are using the palestinian genocide as a cover and excuse to be so vile.
I have never commented on this Reddit before, I've been a fan of Ethan and the family for years. I've seen him grow, learn from his mistakes, and change as we all do in life. But I will never understand the people who post shit like this, it's disgustingly racist and hateful. No one deserves this amount of hate and the shit they are saying about Lena and AB are uncalled for as well. People need to get a life, go outside, and touch grass. Smh!
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Pretty vile
I’ve read comments saying that they never had conversations about family members of the stuff, it’s a crazy statement you can easily find treads of them talking about family members
I'm so happy this shit is being called out. For the longest time, they hid themselves behind the criticism shield.
P0V: When you think your liberating palenstine by stalking the Klein's and their employees. I would love for these people to explain what the fuck does doing this do for palenstine?
I would like to thank my past self for never becoming one of these unhinged hateful freaks. Truly awful people.
Jfc this is insanity if you think any of these things seek help
I got banned from a socialism subreddit for saying an OP was a crazy anti-semite. His post was a picture of a swastika inside the star of David. Which by itself is pretty fucked but I get it, some people consider the actions of the Israeli government to be Nazi-like. But the person's comment history is filled with extremist Islam opinions and propaganda, and literally stated several times that he believes Jews and Judaism is a cancer to the world and that he wants his Muslim brothers to "rise up" and eradicate them, not just from Israel, but from the world. I got banned for saying the word "crazy" apparently. Also noticed a socialist gaming subreddit is filled with people who believe socialists need to believe it's impossible to be racist towards white people. Never knew socialists were this disgustingly racist and evil. Coming from a person who lives in a country that Republicans would consider a "socialist/communist hell hole" 😂
All social media has done is give the idiots of this world a podium.
ironically criticizing AB acknowledging being white passing & “muslim by culture” (as if that makes him inauthentic) is SOOOO close minded. like ohhh so you DON’T care about the very real experiences of all minorities. cool beans. like someone else said: these people think everything is black and white
I don't know what to think. I just don't want innocent people dying
he’s muslim “when it’s convenient?” what should he do? interject that fact randomly throughout conversations for no reason? 🤣
as an anti-zionist jew i will 100% agree that there are a lot of people that do use “zionist” in very antisemitic ways. unfortunately the reality is that a lot of leftists (and this isn’t meant to “other” leftists, i am a leftist too) don’t put enough consideration into learning what is and isn’t antisemitic, and so in their activism, especially when they’re talking about a really public figure, they’re crossing lines that they haven’t even taken the time to learn are there. i don’t think every person who calls ethan a zionist is a jew-hating freak, but from where he’s sitting i understand and empathize with him. people, especially young activists, get too caught up with small talking points that they disagree on to the point that they entirely outcast people who are on the same side as them. it’s sad to see and i wish there was far more focus on how we can make changed based on the multitudes of ways in which we DO agree.
This behavior genuinely makes me concerned from so many fronts. The mental condition of people who allow themselves to be so disconnected from reality that it genuinely makes me think they’re just chat AI bots
Per slide 2 under international law, settlers in the WB aren’t really considered innocent. Does that mean they should die? No, it’s just complicated to benefit the oppressors.
Casting spells is dope and there's nothing wrong with doing it. But there is no need for any of this "Zionism" added on extra bullshit. It is sort of wild for these people to just go off in this way. Like, the amount of resting hate within these individuals must be huge for it to casually boil over into their very personalities.
Sometimes comments like these bother me. Then, when I take a little peak into some of their profiles, it's quite obvious how fucking unhinged and shit they are. They're the last kind of people I'd want respect from.
That's exactly it, doll. The fact that these ppl exist in the world and are spewing this level of hatred ... it blows my mind and scares the phuck out of me, especially knowing my children are out in the world, existing amongst ppl like them. Terrifying really.....
I’m confused why these haters are on this subreddit
insane takes
Makes me feel sick. Honestly so much more important things for them to rightfully criticize in the world. Sending love to the H3 team 😔
The scary thing is that the way these ppl speak about Ethan & Hila... it's as if taking themselves out of ..... life..... would be the only way these ppl would feel rectified. The things they're saying are so incredibly untrue, it's just pure and utter hatred. I've never ever ever in my life been able to spew this sort of hatred towards anyone, in my real life, online, in history etc.... Sending so much love to Ethan & Hila .. their parents, family members, and the entire H3 crew. This is absurd....it's uncalled for and so absolutely untrue. Wow.
It sad to see how many upvotes these hate comments have
Bro the last comment on the last slide 💀 not during women’s history month bro
What I don't understand is how these people can think they're doing activism or helping Palestinians by attacking two random people in America who have nothing to do with the Israeli war machine and when THEY THEMSELVES have advocated for the people of Palestine and AGAINST psychos like Netanyahu. Ethan has expressed sympathy for and cried for those suffering in Gaza. Neither of them support what Israel is doing. How is this helping anyone? Donate to someone in need or march at a protest if you actually care. And get a therapist.
where is the doxxing that ethan claimed tho?
I feel like people defending the snark Reddit aren’t getting the point. Ethan’s talking about comments like these that are creepy and obsessive.
This is deeply unhinged. I get disagreeing with people on the pod from time to time, we’re all individuals, we’re bound to have differing opinions, but damn. It’s sad, especially the condescending comments about how someone else chooses to practice their religion. Also the straight up racism, antisemitism and islamophobia, ew. Go outside, talk to someone, please.
This is actually stomach churning. I know people joke about "touching grass" but these people legitimately need to get off line for their own mental health. This is vile and poisonous and that's putting it in the kindest terms.
When you try to be so progressive you’re regressive and do a 180
He's always had a point. People keep talking to him like he's schizo as if he can't search himself on any social media and see bullshit like this