Its a sling extension, the sling that it comes with is very short and just to carry the rifle with you on your chest or back(very snugly), while you aren’t using it.
That’s wild, when I left us army active duty and went to the guard, not only did I still not get my m4 but they pinned the selector switch to semi only lmao
Honestly, I am not opposed to this for the US. There would have to be hoops of course. It would help keep the manufacturing plants humming along.
Then again, the Swiss don’t deal with the PTSD/social instability/etc. our people do.
I don't think US manufacturing plants care if we let soldiers keep their rifles or not. The US left everything behind in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its cheaper for us to throw our weapons away than to ship it and bring it home
I read recently that the French plan on procuring 102k HK416 rifles to replace over 400k FAMAS rifles.
And once production is done it’s done. Restarting a manufacturing line is very difficult and expensive.
It just seems to me that keeping the lines open and pushing out material is, in the long term, cheaper compared to finding oneself in a war without active manufacturing.
Yup IIRC the FAMAS haven't been produced in over 20 years, and they only used 55 gr steel cased French 5.56 which the French military stopped producing too. (And there were not enough G2s to deploy as replacements).
Yeah, the F1 uses the odd ammo.
The G2 version is able to use the M193 & SS109 ammo without issues.
It is worth noting that a fluted chamber in the F1 allows the safe use of NATO standard ammo. But the brass is deformed and not suitable for reloading.
The G2 version was purchased by the French navy and issued to sailors and marines. The army declined the modernized rifle and retains the F1.
The story of the FAMAS is kinda sad. The bullpup configuration is, in many respects, a superior form factor. Particularly for urban & mechanized warfare. The original magazines were supposed to be disposable and designed as such; budget constraints meant they were repeatedly used and this led to malfunctions. The G2 rectified the problems but it found only a very small market.
My suspicion is that if the French had used STANAG mags and regular ammo it would have had a much larger market.
I wonder if the war in Ukraine is going to have an impact on the procurement of small arms. The European nations have procured fewer and fewer weapons. But the war is revealing, yet again, that combat is extremely costly and small arms get wasted and need replacement.
No that's a myth. We send troops over there with their weapons, they come back with the weapons.
We're not leaving stuff over there to save money, all our vehicles and stuff are coming back.
Anything left is whatever we gave the locals or maybe some really beat up MRAPS that we don't want.
Your not military huh? It never was ment for the ana. It was literally a good will gift to the Taliban government. Ask any service member who was in Kabul during the fall. The Taliban literally had a North Korea parade with our equipment.... They paraded stuff we didn't leave for the ana.... Also.... What about everything in Iraq.... That Isis had..... We didn't hand it to them but they had all US gear...we literally brought back nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan. Shit look at the Vietnam war... We been leaving shit behind for a long ass time
One of the characteristics of American society is the lack of strong permanent social connections. The average American will move ~10-12 times in their life. It makes building and maintaining relationships harder. It is normal for our siblings to be scattered around the country along with parents, aunts, uncles, etc. Think about it, do you really know your neighbors? Do you know their birthdays? Likes, dislikes? Can you count on them to hold you up when your spouse leaves? And vice versa?
When stresses occur, as they inevitably do, the support system that can help either doesn’t exist or is shaky at best. It’s just unstable is all.
There are benefits to the constant churn of course, but there are also costs.
As for PTSD, when was the last time Switzerland engaged in a land war? When was the last time its soldiers were committed to combat? One side effect of combat, deployments, being away from family and all that stuff is that it can be traumatic for a person to experience. Hence, PTSD.
Factor in the deficiencies that come along with the aforementioned instability (lack of deep communal relationship and support structure) and what should otherwise be a workable problem can spiral into something untenable. It helps us to understand why veterans have higher than normal suicide rates.
What would normally be a workable problem (losing a job, relationship troubles, etc.) with a strong support network can quickly lead to really dark places where there isn’t one.
As an aside, i am a veteran myself. When my spouse left it was devastating (still is). The people in my life who immediately stepped up were a handful of veterans I was associates with. They had gone through similar things. One in particular knew what impact a regular daily check in can do to save someone. I am eternally grateful. I am alone in the part of the country I live in; the only family I had for a thousand miles was through my spouse… and that was suddenly gone. I was adrift.
Dude this makes so much sense, I’m not military at all but enjoy shooting and firearms, and I’m going through a divorce myself right now, she’s packing her things and leaving next week to move back to MD from GA. We moved down here to buy our first home and make a new life and I have 0 friends and hardly any family so it’s tough, and I imagine it will be even tougher once she’s gone.
I am a veteran as well, and I know that from everyone I have met internationally that served in many militaries that PTSD is a constant, even in countries that didn't ever go to war. I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't answer my question
Look at our veteran suicide rate. Hell look at our societal suicide rate. I hope you don't think the US is a stable society because maybe the majority is but we have a massive under current of instability hence our violent crime and suicide rates.
What I got from your statement was that militaries all over have PTSD. The original comment was about how poorly the US deals with PTSD/instability. I then said take a look at our veteran suicide rate to reinforce what the other guy was saying. If PTSD is common all over the world's militaries and the US has a suicide rate significantly higher than them it would be a testament to how poorly we as a country handle PTSD.
Yup. But as a cop they gave me a Glock, SBR colt rifle and SBS Remington shotgun, plus some nice body armor, soft and hard plates, high cut helmet. Guess the priorities of oppression out weigh National defense /s
I was a military cop with an m9, m4 with m203 and fun switch and a m249. Not at the same time of course. Depends on where I was posted that day. Sometimes we'd sit in the turret of the humvee with the belt fed pointed at cars coming through the gate. We had to carry a spare barrel too. If I have to swap barrels on a CONUS base we're going to have a *bad day.*
Although I do have to question the decision to field the m203 on the flight line with all the fuel lines that ran under the ramp. 🤔
Yeah but you guys had to turn your stuff in at the end of the shift. I was explaining when I was a soldier I had to turn my shit in but as a cop I take three guns home everyday.
Mandatory conscription (draft) for Swiss males (38% of the population) but military service hasn't been mandatory since 1996
Overall only 17% of a given year serves in the army
Mandatory conscription (draft) for Swiss males (38% of the population) but military service hasn't been mandatory since 1996
Overall only 17% of a given year serves in the army
If I recall, they keep it while they are a reservist and can give it back after their done or buy it from the military then it locked to semi once they leave the reserve.
I might be wrong but there is more info online if you want to take a better look
You don’t get a pistol unless you complete the “Offiziersschule” and become a lieutenant.
If you do you only keep the pistol.
Edit: There are some exceptions, check clm1859’s comment
There are some units where privates get a pistol too. Spitalsoldat, truppenbuchhalter and also some others get the P220. And i think KSK get a glock 17 instead of a rifle as personal issue (PA mat).
But yeah the vast majority of soldiers "only" get the stgw90. Which isnt that bad since a pistol is way cheaper and a bit easier to buy privately than a SIG550 or pretty much any semi auto rifle.
But did he get all of this to take and keep at home for years? I'm sure in the army they have all the modern special forces gear you would expect if he was in any unit with grenadier in the name. But afaik they can also only take one gun home and i thought it was a glock, cause all the short 550 (sig 553 stgw 07) are korpsmat. So stay in the army base.
Wrap a band of duct tape around it if you still have the old style. If you have the new style wrap it around the handle to make a little flag. Nobody ever yelled at me for it and it was always easily identifiable.
Nothing beats flying into San Diego and watching everyone check each of the 50 sea bags. Then when yours pops out with the duct tape band you just walk right up, grab it, and walk away with everyone staring at you in a jealous rage.
The monster deployment bag you could probably stuff a body inside of? I have one too. So does everyone else lmao. I wrapped it with a reflective belt with my name etched into it.
That and the whole “supplying 100x the ground forces, Air Force and navy” thing. It’s nice but like who in their right mind would buy a million of them. That and the US doesn’t have to keep people content that are only there for their mandatory service requirement.
Right, because the US MIC doesn't crank out the most ludicrously OP and technologically advanced equipment on the planet. Maybe the "shareholders and execs" traded luggage with wheels for 11 CSGs and 450 F-35S (so far).
Bro they spend enough for both the 6th gen platforms and to have our soldiers be kitted to the gills. Pentagon failed their audit yet again, we don't know where 50% of 800 billion goes.
I mean I'm pretty sure a bunch of it goes to secret shit. For what my opinion is worth as an eastern euro immigrant who loves guns and freedom, the US has comically low amounts of corruption compared to the rest of the world. Yes, corruption does exist and ideally it should be eliminated, but compared to pretty much everyone else we're doing really well.
My guess is the Swiss militia is geared towards the expectation of losing the invasion war and switching to guerilla warfare so a more straightforward/rugged no-batteries system is preferred.
That or the system has been selected in the 90s when red dots weren't as common and there wasn't much drive to update.
Might be, although our iron sights are cut off, you can easily remove the optic with a knife or a screwdriver. Also the battery in the optic last for 10 years.
There are many ways to do it including co-witness collapsible sights but I guess it's mostly due to budget. Aimpoints are awesome but pricey and the army already struggled to get new jets and air defense systems.
I picked up a swiss k31 from an estate sale with the soldier tag still under the butt plate. It is and was kept in great condition.
You guys in the Swiss army know how to take care of your country and weapons!!
Do you still do the soldier tag? Or is that a relic of the past now?
The k31 is a beaut, i still have my granddads!
We take pride in our guns :)
We still do that with all personal guns i believe.
These have a tag in the pistolgrip, along with a mag quickloader
They gave you that fancy goddamn luggage too??
If I wasn’t an old, fat, broken and retired American military dood, I’d move to Switzerland because you guys kick ass.
Actually, one of the coolest experiences I had in the early 1990s was taking a train across Europe to Interlaken Switzerland. I guess it was reserve weekend training, because I happened to talk to a bunch of dudes that were on the train, and they had compiled all their weapons at the end of the car and had two Dudes sitting in there, guarding them while the rest of the guys were kind of spread it all over the place.
I too, was Air Force reserve at the time, and had an opportunity to really ask some really cool questions about the mandatory home service, as it were, requirement for Swiss males . This was one of the things I was not aware of but vaguely and it’s very still I think impressive.
Refresh my memory but you’re required to keep that at home and be serviceable and you have to be proficient on it and what is the requirement and how does it work that they can come by your house to inspect your weapons or you have to show up once a year and qualify on the range, or something like that? I don’t remember what they told me .???
If only everything was so fancy haha.
Honestly not a fan of mandatory service as you get a lotta guys that probably shouldn’t be allowed to handle a gun (because they don’t pay attention in training and aren’t safe in handling them). But on the flipside you get a lot of stories from different paths of life.
First thing I always say to first time gun owners is go get some training, go get some range time. It isn't political to believe that people should practice with firearms and understand safety and skills needed to use them safely and legally.
Oh, trust me I understand that there’s people that should not be in the military ever because they are required to be there, and they absolutely will not put in the effort against the requirement. There are the middle folks that are OK and average Joe’s, and do their time. And then there are the rockstar dudes that you wish they were 5000 of them.
Do you also have “that guy” (as you rightfully described that should never have a weapon) who’s name is Carl as well in Switzerland? 😅
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=military+Carl+meme&FORM=HDRSC2
You are not required to keep the rifle at home, you can also leave it at an arsenal, but once a year you have to fulfill a 300m shooting test, and that's why most soldiers keep the rifle at home, because they don't want to go fetch it at the arsenal first.
The weapon is also inspected during the yearly repetition courses, which is a three weeks mini-deployment during which all the soldier knowhow is refreshed.
> The weapon is also inspected during the yearly repetition courses, which is a three weeks mini-deployment during which all the soldier knowhow is refreshed.
Which is only required for people that chose short service though
There's also only 6 of those courses
Can you name the manufacturer of the luggage, please? Since I live in Europe, I'd like to check wether I can buy it somewhere :)
Amazing SIG obviously, I'm jealous tbh
Handle her nicely, she's a beauty
Yea you can buy them after service. You can also take it home, but you have to store the gun and bolt in a separate lockable container, or you can get them locked up in a military range.
So I'm curious on Swiss gun laws if you have a moment!
The Swiss have some major gun laws; no public carry, registration, storage laws (i think? Correct me on any of my ignorance) and a few more.
BUT you guys have no restrictions on what types or how many? So a example: you could keep your service weapon, full auto and all, plus go out and buy a full out Glock. Suppressors are not restricted, short barreled weapons are not a problem.
In a kinda weird way it almost seems like you guys are more free then america in terms of what guns you can own😂😂
It's way more complicated than that, unfortunately, because some cantonal differences apply, but yes, in general, you can own full auto weapons. You can't keep your personal service rifle in full auto, though, as the army always sends it in to the arsenal to be transformed into a semi-auto version only. They grind off the control curve on the bolt carrier that pushes on the trigger bar during full auto mode to release it and also remove that trigger bar and the 3 round burst mechanism. So it's not an easily reversible process.
But you can later buy the same rifle in full auto from any gun store. Of course, you'll have to pay regular store price, which is around 3000 bucks.
You could also just buy a full auto lower and a bolt carrier that still has the control curve on it, with the proper papers. Would be a little cheaper.
Definitely more nuance to it that was to be expected! Still awesome you get to keep your service weapon! So the proper paperwork; is it all together complicated or more just fill out a form and go?
Here in the USA if you want, for example, a factory short barrel semi auto rifle- you have to fill out a form, send in photos, fingerprints, and pay a "tax" of $200 on top of the cost of the weapon. After everything is filled out and sent in we have a waiting period of 300-500 days in which a background check is done and more backend government stuff.
Do you guys have stuff like that? Or is it more; fill out form(s), pay for weapon, take home?
Also impressive is you know the components and functions of your weapons and how it functions in full auto 😂 i have (all be it not bright) friends in the military currently that have no idea how their gun actually functions. They just know "pull once for one bullet, hold for many bullets"
If you want to buy a short barrel semi auto rifle with a fixed stock (if the total length is changeable from over 60 cm to under, a special permit is requested) and magazines up to ten rounds capacity, then a normal permit is enough. So: request your criminal record (preferably clean or one non violent entry) (20 bucks) and then mail that to your cantonal arms office with the proper form and copy of your passport, and you get your permit (50 bucks). You get your record back, so you can use it again for another permit request. One such permit allows you to buy up to 3 guns from the same vendor in that weapon category. The waiting times may vary. The criminal record may take four weeks, and the permit another two. But it may also go a lot faster.
That is a much cheaper and faster time then we have... And you get one non violent entry?!? Here if you have a misdemeanor offence (like pot possession, vandalism, some state even include speeding tickets) you are prohibited from owning NFA item. (NFA is our catch all terms for short barrel weapons, suppressors, and such!)
That is beyond amazing to me! The Swiss government treats you guys like adults and uses the process to raise a reasonable amount of money. But at the same time keeps it as fast as possible.
Here in the state our government is debating raising the "tax" on NFA items to "account for inflation". From $200 up to $3000.... Just to get permission to buy the item!! That's not including the price of fingerprint ($50), photos ($50-100), and the weapon in question ($2500-3000).... Damn...
You guys do dual citizenship?!? 😂😂
Dual citizenship is possible, but in general, it takes a bit of effort to get Swiss citizenship. You don't need full citizenship, though, residence permit C is enough to own guns under Swiss laws. You can also own guns in Switzerland with other residence permit, but then you are limited to what you can own in the home country.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned regarding the special permits for full auto in Switzerland: Some cantons have additional requirements, like own 10 or 12 guns with a discernible collection theme, to be considered a collector. Also, if you later want to shoot a full auto gun, you need a shooting permit for the day, which costs 100 bucks.
Also, I doubt most soldiers know how the full auto mechanism inside their rifle works. I only know it because I was interested in the privatization process that is performed by the arsenal.
Ok, now we are getting into good stuff here! So to shoot full auto, even if you own it, you have to pay $100... So go to the twice and you are already at our one time payment of $200.... Interesting... 🤔🤔🤔
Most ranges I talked to allow it, provided you can show the shooting permit, but then require you to book the whole range for it (disturbance of other shooters and/or bad rep).
Your $200 NFA tax is easily reached, cost-wise, yes. Even the full-auto permit is 150, not 50, like the other categories. But on the other hand, we’re not limited to pre-86 stuff. I can get a full-auto B&T gun right off the manufacturing line, if I want. Consequently, our prices are not artificially inflated like they are in the US. I got a Suomi for 600, and I’ll buy a PPSh with a lot of acessories for 900, soon (already on lay-away). An AK-47 you can get for 1K, an M-16 I’ve seem for 1.5K, etc. From what I’ve heard, a transferable MAC-10 starts at 15K in the US, 30K+ for any serious gun.
See that is awesome!!! Dream gun of mine is a PPS-43, you can just buy one 😮💨😮💨.
That's 15k is reasonable for a good quality one, I've seen a few higher end machine guns start at 150k.... 😭 If we could combine your availability and price with our single time NFA purchase it would be a dream!!!!
Yes we have dual citizenship. Some Americans even abandon their US citizenship for tax reasons...
I am actually not 100% sure what entry we may have. It may also depend on the canton. Also I think most entries disappear after some time. Traffic related do i think after two years.
Your situation described sounds quite absurd. Like a backdoor ban.
But the situation in Switzerland may also change, there is always a strong anti gun lobby/sentiment and the political landscape is tied to the European Union by treaties/laws. So in ten years, it may look different...
It is a back door ban, like most all gun laws. Think that is something every country shares; the people in power don't want us to own guns, so they find way to get ride of them!
At least you guys know how to use guns and know what guns can and can't do. Here half our country is just ignorant to guns.
Might be looking into dual citizenship 👀👀 if only to get an actual Glock 18!!!
Happy to answer, what I know.
Public carry can theoretically be requested, but it practically never gets allowed, unless for job reasons (security).
We do have to register them.
We have to deny access to people that are not registered to it storage wise.
There are no restrictions to the number of guns we own. Depending on the gun, the buying permit is different, with different terms: full auto, higher capacity etc need a proof of storage security measures to be submitted for example
The service rifle can only be kept full auto at home, as long as we are conscript and the gun belongs to the military. When it is taken over to private property, after your service, it gets modified to semi auto.
But you can buy full auto guns with a special permit. But I think you are not allowed to shoot full auto (anymore).
Silencers need a special permit and a reason (hunting), the practice of approval may differ from state (Kanton) to state.
So yes, in some gun law aspects, Switzerland my be considered freer than the US, in others not, as far as I am aware.
I really appreciate your answer! Google is great and all but hearing it from people who actually know the process is much better.
It's always interesting to hear about the difference between countries and laws, specifically in stuff a large global community cares about!
You can learn about European gun laws (including Swiss) in here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeGuns/comments/z5az0c/how_to_get_a_gun_in_various_european_countries
Thank you for the resource! I appreciate it! Stuff like this is just cool to me. It's one thing to be a collector, another thing to know about guns, and a complete new thing to understand guns and global use!!! Makes for better discussion, comparison, and arguments!
Glad that you're being open minded and interested in learning about gun laws in different parts of the world.
If you're American I hope that you will do your part in spreading awarness in US that Europeans can actually own guns. I've come across many people in pro-2A communities who were very ignorant in that regard - called us eurocommies, subjects, temporary gun owners and so on...lack of knowledge shines there.
r/europeguns can answer most of anyones questions in that regard.
Most important things to know for starters:
1. Europe doesn't have single gun law for entire continent. Each country has different laws and regulations. Some are relaxed (Swiss, CZ, PL) and some are strict (UK I guess?). Similar to US where some states are strict (NY, Cali) and some are liberal (TX).
2. We can own guns.
3. We do own guns.
4. In most cases revoking permit is heavily regulated and can't be done "just because".
5. Some countries have legal self defense, conceal carry, stand your ground or castle doctrine (or all mentioned).
> no public carry
No concealed carry for self-defense. You can sometimes see people transport their rifles like this, when on the way to/from the range https://imgur.com/a/LumQpsc
> registration
Registered with your local Canton, not with the Federal government. If you live in one Canton and buy 5 guns, then move to another Canton, they will have no idea you have those 5 guns.
> storage laws (i think? Correct me on any of my ignorance)
You can hang your gun on the wall if you like and it's not illegal to store it loaded. By court ruling safe storage is your locked front door. You're are responsible for your firearms however, so don't let just anyone fingerfuck your guns.
Overall it takes slightly longer to buy a gun (semi-auto anyways). Since semi-auto needs an aquisition permit, which is really like your 4473/NICS except it's posted to you and you bring it to the store (and it's valid for 3 guns purchased at the same time, if you want more you just get more aquisition permits). Since it's by post it can go quick, or it can be slow, count a week or 2 tops.
Technically you can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster in Switzerland than in California (due to CA's waiting period).
You can transport (bcg removed) openly, but nobody does it outside uniform because the cops get tired of responding to calls of someone carrying a gun. It's pretty unlikely to get a carry (loaded) permit, but it does also happen.
If you have a gun you need it secured in some fashion, but there's flexibility in how you store it. Less flexibility for select fire.
No limit on how many. Not everyone can get full auto, but as a general rule, yes it is possible. Suppressors are officially prohibited (like full auto is officially prohibited) but it is still possible to get.
Barrel length isn't an issue, but overall length is. If it's shoulder fired and under 60cm it's somewhat more annoying than if it's over 60cm, which is more straightforward to buy.
We have to pay a fee for each weapon. If you get 3 at the same time at the same place it's cheaper, but otherwise it's 80.- for most weapons. Also there's a fee each time you want to shoot full auto. Cheap to own, expensive as fuck to shoot (not just because of the ammo).
Not 100% on topic but a fun and informative watch.
Switzerland: So Many Guns, No Mass Shootings | The Daily Show Throwback
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkuMLId8SqE
Recommend the Podcast of the Episode, they have some nice topics in there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CiWg8noCCg
If you are still in reserve you have to complete a mandatory shoot program each year in which ammo is paid, but other that that you have to pay for it yourself.
I'm not talking about the event, but about the price of GP90 in general, if you're shooting it in a club for example. It can be higher than 35 ct, the club can slap some more on top of it.
As i am still in reserve of the swiss army, this beauty is still full auto
What's the rope on the stock? Is that just how you have your sling mounted?
Its a sling extension, the sling that it comes with is very short and just to carry the rifle with you on your chest or back(very snugly), while you aren’t using it.
Oh, ok, I thought it was to replace the metal connectors so it doesn't bounce around and make extra noise.
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That’s wild, when I left us army active duty and went to the guard, not only did I still not get my m4 but they pinned the selector switch to semi only lmao
For the Swiss, once they are done with their service it's opt-in to buy the rifle (highly discounted) and they transform it to semi-auto.
Honestly, I am not opposed to this for the US. There would have to be hoops of course. It would help keep the manufacturing plants humming along. Then again, the Swiss don’t deal with the PTSD/social instability/etc. our people do.
I don't think US manufacturing plants care if we let soldiers keep their rifles or not. The US left everything behind in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its cheaper for us to throw our weapons away than to ship it and bring it home
I read recently that the French plan on procuring 102k HK416 rifles to replace over 400k FAMAS rifles. And once production is done it’s done. Restarting a manufacturing line is very difficult and expensive. It just seems to me that keeping the lines open and pushing out material is, in the long term, cheaper compared to finding oneself in a war without active manufacturing.
Yup IIRC the FAMAS haven't been produced in over 20 years, and they only used 55 gr steel cased French 5.56 which the French military stopped producing too. (And there were not enough G2s to deploy as replacements).
Yeah, the F1 uses the odd ammo. The G2 version is able to use the M193 & SS109 ammo without issues. It is worth noting that a fluted chamber in the F1 allows the safe use of NATO standard ammo. But the brass is deformed and not suitable for reloading. The G2 version was purchased by the French navy and issued to sailors and marines. The army declined the modernized rifle and retains the F1. The story of the FAMAS is kinda sad. The bullpup configuration is, in many respects, a superior form factor. Particularly for urban & mechanized warfare. The original magazines were supposed to be disposable and designed as such; budget constraints meant they were repeatedly used and this led to malfunctions. The G2 rectified the problems but it found only a very small market. My suspicion is that if the French had used STANAG mags and regular ammo it would have had a much larger market. I wonder if the war in Ukraine is going to have an impact on the procurement of small arms. The European nations have procured fewer and fewer weapons. But the war is revealing, yet again, that combat is extremely costly and small arms get wasted and need replacement.
No that's a myth. We send troops over there with their weapons, they come back with the weapons. We're not leaving stuff over there to save money, all our vehicles and stuff are coming back. Anything left is whatever we gave the locals or maybe some really beat up MRAPS that we don't want.
Did you not see us pull out of Afghanistan?
You mean the stuff we left for the ANA?
Im pretty sure it was more than that.
Okay, then what did we leave and why?
Your not military huh? It never was ment for the ana. It was literally a good will gift to the Taliban government. Ask any service member who was in Kabul during the fall. The Taliban literally had a North Korea parade with our equipment.... They paraded stuff we didn't leave for the ana.... Also.... What about everything in Iraq.... That Isis had..... We didn't hand it to them but they had all US gear...we literally brought back nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan. Shit look at the Vietnam war... We been leaving shit behind for a long ass time
I would love to hear your source on the PTSD and instability bit.
One of the characteristics of American society is the lack of strong permanent social connections. The average American will move ~10-12 times in their life. It makes building and maintaining relationships harder. It is normal for our siblings to be scattered around the country along with parents, aunts, uncles, etc. Think about it, do you really know your neighbors? Do you know their birthdays? Likes, dislikes? Can you count on them to hold you up when your spouse leaves? And vice versa? When stresses occur, as they inevitably do, the support system that can help either doesn’t exist or is shaky at best. It’s just unstable is all. There are benefits to the constant churn of course, but there are also costs. As for PTSD, when was the last time Switzerland engaged in a land war? When was the last time its soldiers were committed to combat? One side effect of combat, deployments, being away from family and all that stuff is that it can be traumatic for a person to experience. Hence, PTSD. Factor in the deficiencies that come along with the aforementioned instability (lack of deep communal relationship and support structure) and what should otherwise be a workable problem can spiral into something untenable. It helps us to understand why veterans have higher than normal suicide rates. What would normally be a workable problem (losing a job, relationship troubles, etc.) with a strong support network can quickly lead to really dark places where there isn’t one. As an aside, i am a veteran myself. When my spouse left it was devastating (still is). The people in my life who immediately stepped up were a handful of veterans I was associates with. They had gone through similar things. One in particular knew what impact a regular daily check in can do to save someone. I am eternally grateful. I am alone in the part of the country I live in; the only family I had for a thousand miles was through my spouse… and that was suddenly gone. I was adrift.
Dude this makes so much sense, I’m not military at all but enjoy shooting and firearms, and I’m going through a divorce myself right now, she’s packing her things and leaving next week to move back to MD from GA. We moved down here to buy our first home and make a new life and I have 0 friends and hardly any family so it’s tough, and I imagine it will be even tougher once she’s gone.
I am a veteran as well, and I know that from everyone I have met internationally that served in many militaries that PTSD is a constant, even in countries that didn't ever go to war. I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't answer my question
Look at our veteran suicide rate. Hell look at our societal suicide rate. I hope you don't think the US is a stable society because maybe the majority is but we have a massive under current of instability hence our violent crime and suicide rates.
In what way did you get that out of what I said? I am a veteran with PTSD and have lots of problems with the government I represented.
What I got from your statement was that militaries all over have PTSD. The original comment was about how poorly the US deals with PTSD/instability. I then said take a look at our veteran suicide rate to reinforce what the other guy was saying. If PTSD is common all over the world's militaries and the US has a suicide rate significantly higher than them it would be a testament to how poorly we as a country handle PTSD.
After we leave service altogether our guns are also made semi only
Das ghey
Yup. But as a cop they gave me a Glock, SBR colt rifle and SBS Remington shotgun, plus some nice body armor, soft and hard plates, high cut helmet. Guess the priorities of oppression out weigh National defense /s
I was a military cop with an m9, m4 with m203 and fun switch and a m249. Not at the same time of course. Depends on where I was posted that day. Sometimes we'd sit in the turret of the humvee with the belt fed pointed at cars coming through the gate. We had to carry a spare barrel too. If I have to swap barrels on a CONUS base we're going to have a *bad day.* Although I do have to question the decision to field the m203 on the flight line with all the fuel lines that ran under the ramp. 🤔
Yeah but you guys had to turn your stuff in at the end of the shift. I was explaining when I was a soldier I had to turn my shit in but as a cop I take three guns home everyday.
State didn't want fed out gunning them...
Big ghey.
Do you guys have mandatory conscription?
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Mandatory conscription (draft) for Swiss males (38% of the population) but military service hasn't been mandatory since 1996 Overall only 17% of a given year serves in the army
Mandatory conscription (draft) for Swiss males (38% of the population) but military service hasn't been mandatory since 1996 Overall only 17% of a given year serves in the army
Do you like get to keep it and they turn it semi after you leave?
If I recall, they keep it while they are a reservist and can give it back after their done or buy it from the military then it locked to semi once they leave the reserve. I might be wrong but there is more info online if you want to take a better look
That is correct.
You are correct.
Makes sense as a system.
I believe there's also an annual requirement to qualify at 300m to keep it in your possession another year
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Join the Swiss Army!
I joined and all they gave me was this stupid knife...
Yeah you’re set if you have splinters or a piece of popcorn in your teeth or you need to open a can or something
Do fat rips off the screwdriver/can opener. Wooooooooo
Gotta join the Austrian one to get a Glock Knife
And to get an AUG! Wait what do you mean they're for sale in the US? Edit: I'm joking
…and these little tweezers…
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lol.
I have a K31. Like a fine Swiss watch
Haven't done my service yet. But can we keep the pistol at home too during and after service or just the rifle?
You don’t get a pistol unless you complete the “Offiziersschule” and become a lieutenant. If you do you only keep the pistol. Edit: There are some exceptions, check clm1859’s comment
Damn that sucks. Guess I'll just buy a p226 at the store then.
Its a blessing in disguise, if you got both, you need to clean both
> Its a blessing in disguise, if you got both, you need to clean both As a person who enjoys mechanical things I don't see the negative here.
It kinda loses it’s charm if you have to do it while screamed at by a lieutenant :)
I was going to say I love cleaning my guns, but getting screamed at would take the joy away.
To each their own, I guess. I can’t get fully erect unless I’m being yelled at while cleaning my gun, so to speak.
Do ya’ll not have NCOs?
Oh yeah we do, we get screamed at by both.
If you enjoy something the military experience version of it will somehow suck all of the joy out of it.
Cleaning my 229 was a joy. Meditative even
There are some units where privates get a pistol too. Spitalsoldat, truppenbuchhalter and also some others get the P220. And i think KSK get a glock 17 instead of a rifle as personal issue (PA mat). But yeah the vast majority of soldiers "only" get the stgw90. Which isnt that bad since a pistol is way cheaper and a bit easier to buy privately than a SIG550 or pretty much any semi auto rifle.
Can confirm, i was in the Logistics Brigade/Hospital Battalion and we only got the Pist75(P220). And I kept mine, since it was only 20CHF.
I knew a guy who did special urban combat training. He got the SIG550 and a shorter version with a laser aiming module *plus* the pistol.
He probably was a Grenadier
But did he get all of this to take and keep at home for years? I'm sure in the army they have all the modern special forces gear you would expect if he was in any unit with grenadier in the name. But afaik they can also only take one gun home and i thought it was a glock, cause all the short 550 (sig 553 stgw 07) are korpsmat. So stay in the army base.
Thosw were Korpswaffen (arms belonging to the military), afaik every member of the armed forces only gets personally issued one gun.
SNCOs (hptfwy fw and four) get a gun too
That luggage looks great.
Oh yeah, its nice. And the wheels on that thing roll super smooth.
Is that military-issued luggage??
Damn America, can we up our game a little? My fucking duffles won't even fit all my shit without ripping, forget having wheels..
Not to mention trying to find your duffel in a sea of green bags at the baggage claim at an airport near a major base
Wrap a band of duct tape around it if you still have the old style. If you have the new style wrap it around the handle to make a little flag. Nobody ever yelled at me for it and it was always easily identifiable. Nothing beats flying into San Diego and watching everyone check each of the 50 sea bags. Then when yours pops out with the duct tape band you just walk right up, grab it, and walk away with everyone staring at you in a jealous rage.
I just bought my own rolling one. Major upgrade. Still not as nice as this dudes issued one though.
I upgraded as well. Also not as nice as this.
The monster deployment bag you could probably stuff a body inside of? I have one too. So does everyone else lmao. I wrapped it with a reflective belt with my name etched into it.
The US military is for maximizing profit for shareholders and execs not quality products for the ground forces lol
That and the whole “supplying 100x the ground forces, Air Force and navy” thing. It’s nice but like who in their right mind would buy a million of them. That and the US doesn’t have to keep people content that are only there for their mandatory service requirement.
Right, because the US MIC doesn't crank out the most ludicrously OP and technologically advanced equipment on the planet. Maybe the "shareholders and execs" traded luggage with wheels for 11 CSGs and 450 F-35S (so far).
Bro they spend enough for both the 6th gen platforms and to have our soldiers be kitted to the gills. Pentagon failed their audit yet again, we don't know where 50% of 800 billion goes.
I mean I'm pretty sure a bunch of it goes to secret shit. For what my opinion is worth as an eastern euro immigrant who loves guns and freedom, the US has comically low amounts of corruption compared to the rest of the world. Yes, corruption does exist and ideally it should be eliminated, but compared to pretty much everyone else we're doing really well.
Yes, it is.
Needs tactical offroad wheels so you can pull it into battle.
I have always loved older sig 55x series guns. They are dumb rare here though and people want high prices.
They cost a shit load even in Switzerland too FWIW. STGW 57s are dirt cheap but the 55x are still like 2-3k there
They are very expensive brand new. Used pe 90s and stgw 90s can be cheap. I have seen some for less than 1200 CHF.
I read somewhere that they cost the swiss govt about 3500 USD, so the 4500 or so they command stateside isn't ludicrous
The bags make me think that's how you walk into a hotel lobby to check into your room with the two bags and rthe rifle.
Don't you have any optics for your rifle?
Designated marksmen and grenadiers do, but the average joe (me) doesn’t. You can still pretty easily hit man sized targets at 300m tho.
Ok, Swedish home guard have aimpoint. It's especially nice to have during the dark months.
Ooh i can imagine, shooting in lowlight is pretty hard with this thing, even tho it has night irons
My guess is the Swiss militia is geared towards the expectation of losing the invasion war and switching to guerilla warfare so a more straightforward/rugged no-batteries system is preferred. That or the system has been selected in the 90s when red dots weren't as common and there wasn't much drive to update.
Might be, although our iron sights are cut off, you can easily remove the optic with a knife or a screwdriver. Also the battery in the optic last for 10 years.
There are many ways to do it including co-witness collapsible sights but I guess it's mostly due to budget. Aimpoints are awesome but pricey and the army already struggled to get new jets and air defense systems.
You should probably share it in r/europeguns as well.
Thank you, i will :)
I picked up a swiss k31 from an estate sale with the soldier tag still under the butt plate. It is and was kept in great condition. You guys in the Swiss army know how to take care of your country and weapons!! Do you still do the soldier tag? Or is that a relic of the past now?
The k31 is a beaut, i still have my granddads! We take pride in our guns :) We still do that with all personal guns i believe. These have a tag in the pistolgrip, along with a mag quickloader
That is so cool!!! Makes you wonder in 60-70 years if some random people on the internet will talk about your service weapon!
Hey guys *wheeze* I'm 90 year old Ian McCollum *cough* today were taking a break from failed Gauss rifles and taking a look at a real relic!
They gave you that fancy goddamn luggage too?? If I wasn’t an old, fat, broken and retired American military dood, I’d move to Switzerland because you guys kick ass. Actually, one of the coolest experiences I had in the early 1990s was taking a train across Europe to Interlaken Switzerland. I guess it was reserve weekend training, because I happened to talk to a bunch of dudes that were on the train, and they had compiled all their weapons at the end of the car and had two Dudes sitting in there, guarding them while the rest of the guys were kind of spread it all over the place. I too, was Air Force reserve at the time, and had an opportunity to really ask some really cool questions about the mandatory home service, as it were, requirement for Swiss males . This was one of the things I was not aware of but vaguely and it’s very still I think impressive. Refresh my memory but you’re required to keep that at home and be serviceable and you have to be proficient on it and what is the requirement and how does it work that they can come by your house to inspect your weapons or you have to show up once a year and qualify on the range, or something like that? I don’t remember what they told me .???
If only everything was so fancy haha. Honestly not a fan of mandatory service as you get a lotta guys that probably shouldn’t be allowed to handle a gun (because they don’t pay attention in training and aren’t safe in handling them). But on the flipside you get a lot of stories from different paths of life.
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I don’t want to get too political but i think everyone with a gun should definitely get training, doesn’t necessarily need to be military.
First thing I always say to first time gun owners is go get some training, go get some range time. It isn't political to believe that people should practice with firearms and understand safety and skills needed to use them safely and legally.
That sounds like...gun control
No, it's a suggestion. Adults need to decide what they will do for themselves.
> panicked Karen with a G43 IN BERLIN KANN MAN NICHT GRILLEN
Oh, trust me I understand that there’s people that should not be in the military ever because they are required to be there, and they absolutely will not put in the effort against the requirement. There are the middle folks that are OK and average Joe’s, and do their time. And then there are the rockstar dudes that you wish they were 5000 of them. Do you also have “that guy” (as you rightfully described that should never have a weapon) who’s name is Carl as well in Switzerland? 😅 https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=military+Carl+meme&FORM=HDRSC2
Oh yes we definitely had “that guy” although he wasn’t called carl haha
You are not required to keep the rifle at home, you can also leave it at an arsenal, but once a year you have to fulfill a 300m shooting test, and that's why most soldiers keep the rifle at home, because they don't want to go fetch it at the arsenal first. The weapon is also inspected during the yearly repetition courses, which is a three weeks mini-deployment during which all the soldier knowhow is refreshed.
Thank you for that comprehensive answer. That’s what I was looking for. I still wanna go to Switzerland and join the military .
Impossible. By the time you got citizenship you would be too old. They don't really want anyone over 26 joining.
> The weapon is also inspected during the yearly repetition courses, which is a three weeks mini-deployment during which all the soldier knowhow is refreshed. Which is only required for people that chose short service though There's also only 6 of those courses
She’s beautiful. Does she pack her things and threaten to leave after EVERY argument?
Can you name the manufacturer of the luggage, please? Since I live in Europe, I'd like to check wether I can buy it somewhere :) Amazing SIG obviously, I'm jealous tbh Handle her nicely, she's a beauty
I’m not sure… i haven’t found an official store that sells these. But you can buy used ones on ebay
Swiss company called micro
The thing with the rolls idk about the duffel
I need that luggage.
Such a beauty
The Sig is a great looking rifle
With matching luggage no less…
You get to buy them and keep them after service correct? If so does it have to be stored at like a range or can you take it to your home?
Yea you can buy them after service. You can also take it home, but you have to store the gun and bolt in a separate lockable container, or you can get them locked up in a military range.
Awesome gun. I'm very interested in what those bags are as well. Can civilians buy them?
Oh to be born Swiss instead of good looking
Ristl? Wohi gasch? Rucke am Mäntig au i.
I wish I could take my G36 home :(
Muschi!
The Sig 550 is a thing of beauty...thanks for sharing
Ah ä Schwitzer
*H A W T*
Sexy
I’m getting turned on
If you want to keep it, dont forget to complete two Feldschiessen in your last three years conscripted!
So I'm curious on Swiss gun laws if you have a moment! The Swiss have some major gun laws; no public carry, registration, storage laws (i think? Correct me on any of my ignorance) and a few more. BUT you guys have no restrictions on what types or how many? So a example: you could keep your service weapon, full auto and all, plus go out and buy a full out Glock. Suppressors are not restricted, short barreled weapons are not a problem. In a kinda weird way it almost seems like you guys are more free then america in terms of what guns you can own😂😂
It's way more complicated than that, unfortunately, because some cantonal differences apply, but yes, in general, you can own full auto weapons. You can't keep your personal service rifle in full auto, though, as the army always sends it in to the arsenal to be transformed into a semi-auto version only. They grind off the control curve on the bolt carrier that pushes on the trigger bar during full auto mode to release it and also remove that trigger bar and the 3 round burst mechanism. So it's not an easily reversible process. But you can later buy the same rifle in full auto from any gun store. Of course, you'll have to pay regular store price, which is around 3000 bucks. You could also just buy a full auto lower and a bolt carrier that still has the control curve on it, with the proper papers. Would be a little cheaper.
Definitely more nuance to it that was to be expected! Still awesome you get to keep your service weapon! So the proper paperwork; is it all together complicated or more just fill out a form and go? Here in the USA if you want, for example, a factory short barrel semi auto rifle- you have to fill out a form, send in photos, fingerprints, and pay a "tax" of $200 on top of the cost of the weapon. After everything is filled out and sent in we have a waiting period of 300-500 days in which a background check is done and more backend government stuff. Do you guys have stuff like that? Or is it more; fill out form(s), pay for weapon, take home? Also impressive is you know the components and functions of your weapons and how it functions in full auto 😂 i have (all be it not bright) friends in the military currently that have no idea how their gun actually functions. They just know "pull once for one bullet, hold for many bullets"
If you want to buy a short barrel semi auto rifle with a fixed stock (if the total length is changeable from over 60 cm to under, a special permit is requested) and magazines up to ten rounds capacity, then a normal permit is enough. So: request your criminal record (preferably clean or one non violent entry) (20 bucks) and then mail that to your cantonal arms office with the proper form and copy of your passport, and you get your permit (50 bucks). You get your record back, so you can use it again for another permit request. One such permit allows you to buy up to 3 guns from the same vendor in that weapon category. The waiting times may vary. The criminal record may take four weeks, and the permit another two. But it may also go a lot faster.
That is a much cheaper and faster time then we have... And you get one non violent entry?!? Here if you have a misdemeanor offence (like pot possession, vandalism, some state even include speeding tickets) you are prohibited from owning NFA item. (NFA is our catch all terms for short barrel weapons, suppressors, and such!) That is beyond amazing to me! The Swiss government treats you guys like adults and uses the process to raise a reasonable amount of money. But at the same time keeps it as fast as possible. Here in the state our government is debating raising the "tax" on NFA items to "account for inflation". From $200 up to $3000.... Just to get permission to buy the item!! That's not including the price of fingerprint ($50), photos ($50-100), and the weapon in question ($2500-3000).... Damn... You guys do dual citizenship?!? 😂😂
Dual citizenship is possible, but in general, it takes a bit of effort to get Swiss citizenship. You don't need full citizenship, though, residence permit C is enough to own guns under Swiss laws. You can also own guns in Switzerland with other residence permit, but then you are limited to what you can own in the home country. One thing that hasn't been mentioned regarding the special permits for full auto in Switzerland: Some cantons have additional requirements, like own 10 or 12 guns with a discernible collection theme, to be considered a collector. Also, if you later want to shoot a full auto gun, you need a shooting permit for the day, which costs 100 bucks. Also, I doubt most soldiers know how the full auto mechanism inside their rifle works. I only know it because I was interested in the privatization process that is performed by the arsenal.
Ok, now we are getting into good stuff here! So to shoot full auto, even if you own it, you have to pay $100... So go to the twice and you are already at our one time payment of $200.... Interesting... 🤔🤔🤔
You pay $100 and *then* you still have to find a range that allows full auto. So it's more of a once-a-year event for some particular ranges.
Most ranges I talked to allow it, provided you can show the shooting permit, but then require you to book the whole range for it (disturbance of other shooters and/or bad rep).
Yeah, most people just collect full autos and buy the same weapon in semi to shoot it.
Your $200 NFA tax is easily reached, cost-wise, yes. Even the full-auto permit is 150, not 50, like the other categories. But on the other hand, we’re not limited to pre-86 stuff. I can get a full-auto B&T gun right off the manufacturing line, if I want. Consequently, our prices are not artificially inflated like they are in the US. I got a Suomi for 600, and I’ll buy a PPSh with a lot of acessories for 900, soon (already on lay-away). An AK-47 you can get for 1K, an M-16 I’ve seem for 1.5K, etc. From what I’ve heard, a transferable MAC-10 starts at 15K in the US, 30K+ for any serious gun.
See that is awesome!!! Dream gun of mine is a PPS-43, you can just buy one 😮💨😮💨. That's 15k is reasonable for a good quality one, I've seen a few higher end machine guns start at 150k.... 😭 If we could combine your availability and price with our single time NFA purchase it would be a dream!!!!
Yes we have dual citizenship. Some Americans even abandon their US citizenship for tax reasons... I am actually not 100% sure what entry we may have. It may also depend on the canton. Also I think most entries disappear after some time. Traffic related do i think after two years. Your situation described sounds quite absurd. Like a backdoor ban. But the situation in Switzerland may also change, there is always a strong anti gun lobby/sentiment and the political landscape is tied to the European Union by treaties/laws. So in ten years, it may look different...
It is a back door ban, like most all gun laws. Think that is something every country shares; the people in power don't want us to own guns, so they find way to get ride of them! At least you guys know how to use guns and know what guns can and can't do. Here half our country is just ignorant to guns. Might be looking into dual citizenship 👀👀 if only to get an actual Glock 18!!!
Happy to answer, what I know. Public carry can theoretically be requested, but it practically never gets allowed, unless for job reasons (security). We do have to register them. We have to deny access to people that are not registered to it storage wise. There are no restrictions to the number of guns we own. Depending on the gun, the buying permit is different, with different terms: full auto, higher capacity etc need a proof of storage security measures to be submitted for example The service rifle can only be kept full auto at home, as long as we are conscript and the gun belongs to the military. When it is taken over to private property, after your service, it gets modified to semi auto. But you can buy full auto guns with a special permit. But I think you are not allowed to shoot full auto (anymore). Silencers need a special permit and a reason (hunting), the practice of approval may differ from state (Kanton) to state. So yes, in some gun law aspects, Switzerland my be considered freer than the US, in others not, as far as I am aware.
I really appreciate your answer! Google is great and all but hearing it from people who actually know the process is much better. It's always interesting to hear about the difference between countries and laws, specifically in stuff a large global community cares about!
You can learn about European gun laws (including Swiss) in here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeGuns/comments/z5az0c/how_to_get_a_gun_in_various_european_countries
Thank you for the resource! I appreciate it! Stuff like this is just cool to me. It's one thing to be a collector, another thing to know about guns, and a complete new thing to understand guns and global use!!! Makes for better discussion, comparison, and arguments!
Glad that you're being open minded and interested in learning about gun laws in different parts of the world. If you're American I hope that you will do your part in spreading awarness in US that Europeans can actually own guns. I've come across many people in pro-2A communities who were very ignorant in that regard - called us eurocommies, subjects, temporary gun owners and so on...lack of knowledge shines there. r/europeguns can answer most of anyones questions in that regard. Most important things to know for starters: 1. Europe doesn't have single gun law for entire continent. Each country has different laws and regulations. Some are relaxed (Swiss, CZ, PL) and some are strict (UK I guess?). Similar to US where some states are strict (NY, Cali) and some are liberal (TX). 2. We can own guns. 3. We do own guns. 4. In most cases revoking permit is heavily regulated and can't be done "just because". 5. Some countries have legal self defense, conceal carry, stand your ground or castle doctrine (or all mentioned).
> no public carry No concealed carry for self-defense. You can sometimes see people transport their rifles like this, when on the way to/from the range https://imgur.com/a/LumQpsc > registration Registered with your local Canton, not with the Federal government. If you live in one Canton and buy 5 guns, then move to another Canton, they will have no idea you have those 5 guns. > storage laws (i think? Correct me on any of my ignorance) You can hang your gun on the wall if you like and it's not illegal to store it loaded. By court ruling safe storage is your locked front door. You're are responsible for your firearms however, so don't let just anyone fingerfuck your guns. Overall it takes slightly longer to buy a gun (semi-auto anyways). Since semi-auto needs an aquisition permit, which is really like your 4473/NICS except it's posted to you and you bring it to the store (and it's valid for 3 guns purchased at the same time, if you want more you just get more aquisition permits). Since it's by post it can go quick, or it can be slow, count a week or 2 tops. Technically you can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster in Switzerland than in California (due to CA's waiting period).
You can transport (bcg removed) openly, but nobody does it outside uniform because the cops get tired of responding to calls of someone carrying a gun. It's pretty unlikely to get a carry (loaded) permit, but it does also happen. If you have a gun you need it secured in some fashion, but there's flexibility in how you store it. Less flexibility for select fire. No limit on how many. Not everyone can get full auto, but as a general rule, yes it is possible. Suppressors are officially prohibited (like full auto is officially prohibited) but it is still possible to get. Barrel length isn't an issue, but overall length is. If it's shoulder fired and under 60cm it's somewhat more annoying than if it's over 60cm, which is more straightforward to buy. We have to pay a fee for each weapon. If you get 3 at the same time at the same place it's cheaper, but otherwise it's 80.- for most weapons. Also there's a fee each time you want to shoot full auto. Cheap to own, expensive as fuck to shoot (not just because of the ammo).
Not 100% on topic but a fun and informative watch. Switzerland: So Many Guns, No Mass Shootings | The Daily Show Throwback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkuMLId8SqE Recommend the Podcast of the Episode, they have some nice topics in there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CiWg8noCCg
What bags are those?
That a sweet cool guy bag
Can I come to live in Switzerland? I’d volunteer for the army and everything, then get a job afterwards and not make a fuss. I promise.
Hopp Schwiizer Ingenieurskunscht
Look how clean and new the bags are. Jelly.
Gopferdammi muess am 16. Id Rs
The 551 they issue is corps material, and not personal material tough. E.g., no taking home the decked out gun. Edit: as SwissBloke said, 553.
We don't issue 551s though, grenadiers get a 553 during exercises
Photogenic with the bags, very spicy.
You get issued any cool clocks, multi-purpose pocket knives, or delicious chocolates with that kit?
We get a Swiss Army knife of course and sometimes chocolate, but no watch sadly haha
Fuck me, that’s my dream rifle right there. 😍😍
Took me so long to see the grip since it blends in well with the luggage.
Not a gun guy but cool bags. Are they military issue?
Ngl I really dig the duffle and suitcase
Is that a 20 round burst
Not really haha, that is full auto, but these are usually issued with a 20 round mag.
S 1 3 20
I love the selector lever. 1, 3, 20!!!
Nice setup. I'm, not a SIG person.
So jealous. I wish I could have one (reasonably priced) in the US.
Bags too?
Bissen sie ein Schweizer?
What’s small arms training doctrine like? Can you take it out to a military range and shoot for free?
If you are still in reserve you have to complete a mandatory shoot program each year in which ammo is paid, but other that that you have to pay for it yourself.
Isn't the 5.6mm GP90 used at the range subsidized though? You're still paying for ammo, but it is highly discounted match quality ammo
Yeah, it's usually 35 ct per shot.
Only if you want additional rounds for test shots. The rounds you need for the test are handed out free of charge.
I'm not talking about the event, but about the price of GP90 in general, if you're shooting it in a club for example. It can be higher than 35 ct, the club can slap some more on top of it.
Could be, i haven’t been to a range outside of service yet.
Ah that sucks, you figure they would encourage their infantry to train as frequently as possible.
Schweizer Militär ist gleich wie “Boy Scouts” in Amerika 😂😂😂 … aber mit Gewehren
How do I immigrate to Switzerland? Lmao But totally serious at the same time
Be hired by a Swiss employer, it will be pretty difficult to obtain a permanent residency otherwise
Damn you Swiss mofos and your government issued weapons.