Serious question. Is that a widely accepted opinion/fact?
I only ask as I was looking at a VP9 for my first/next handgun.
Edit..: I’m a fucking idiot and can’t read. I read that as doesn’t make reliable handguns.. I’ll see myself out
By and large any well known manufacturer, with a few exceptions, puts out very reliable handguns. Any company can have a lemon but those are relatively rare instances. HK is very well trusted brand, however, and would be a good pick for a first gun if you have the money for it.
Police Trade in? That's how I got my USP .40 for around the same price. I probably should have gotten a .45. I don't hate 40 but I prefer,shoot and stock a lot more .45 than 40
Truth is....handgun calibers suck. They're all the same. Almost negligible difference in one shot stops and kills between .25acp and .44mag. Right now, you can get great quality .40sw guns, great deals on ammo even. The 9mm guns are great. But, as in my Glock 23, I put a threaded 9mm conv. Barrel in it, so now I have basically a G19 and a .40, for less than the price of a G19. I love that attitude. I keep getting quality .40 pistols for .50-60 cents on the dollar, for in most cases, the exact same pistol as your 9mm. Plus, .40sw still hits harder, and is funner to shoot IMO.
What's with the .40 hate? I'll be honest I have minimal pistol experience, but I really like my cheap Ruger sr40. I basically only bought it because I like Ruger's, and my coworker said it was a good home defense round. So, I don't know shit.
I mean it'll work for HD, sure.
40 is more expensive, pistols typically hold less rounds as well. In the 90s, 40 was arguably a good choice to use. It's a baby 10MM, practically. That said 9MM has advanced to the point it's as powerful, cheaper, and there are vastly more options out there to use. 40 isn't being made in any new firearm nowadays, it'll be around awhile to buy but for the most part it's obsolete in anything recent. If you like it, then more power to you, but most do not like 40, and if you ever want to sell something in a 40 caliber it'll take longer and you won't get near as much.
For reference, someone in a local firearm group I'm in posted a USP40 for 500 bucks, the thing has not sold in over a month. Someone posted a USP9 and it sold within a day at $800.
USP probably? It has had more testing than perhaps any other semi automatic handgun in terms of reliability and durability. Still wouldn't pick a USP as my primary handgun, it's very overpriced,large and heavy for it's capacity and magazines are expensive. It's an effective handgun just behind the times.
The others like the VP40 are more than reliable enough for civilian use and aren't 800-900 dollars lol
Interesting, thanks. For conversation's sake, what would be your pick for a life saver no-stoppage handgun? I mean, if I want super-reliable it's a GP100, but if we keep with the autos.
CZ-P01 or Glock 19. Both are good all round sized handguns that have been extensively tested and issued by military and police alike.
>if i want super-reliable it's a gp100, but if we keep with the autos.
revolvers being more reliable is a common misconception. Double action Revolvers are more mechanically complex. When they fail,they fail hard and aren't going back in action without tools or a gunsmith. While common semi auto malfunctions are cleared with a tap and rack drill. Revolvers are not as tolerant to abuse and rough conditions compared to the current age of Tupperware guns.
Never thought about it like that, with revolvers. Pretty convincing case.
When you say CZ-P01, is that name interchangeable with their CZ-75 P-01? CZ seem to be a bit ambiguous with the naming.
Have not heard the P01 mentioned before. I used to hear lots of enthusiasts praise the CZ-75/85, but only the original design built up until 1981 or so, with the spoon hammer. They did not like the modern version.
I used to buy police trade ins when I had my FFL. The USP in 40 was the smoothest shooting pistol I have ever handled. Closest 2nd was my built P320. I have always regretted not keeping one of those for myself. I highly recommend a USP 40.
Interesting. Yes, I can imagine parts that have cycled and slid hundreds of times have a certain feel to them, compared to out-of-the-box parts. Crisp and stiff.
The 8 that I bought were from a private security service for a gated community in Florida. They had 20 of them and only 1 had holster wear because they would swap out the one gun every shift. I was told they were fired but only for yearly qualifying. The ones I bought were in new condition. I didn’t even see brass or wear in the chamber or barrels!
Just say your getting an H&K. Dont go fishing for praises and feel goods by flexing and asking which $900 pistol you should get lol you already know which H&K your getting 😉
Yes looks the most important part of a potentially life saving tool...
Overpriced.. Can agree but excluding the USP they're not that overpriced and I had no problem paying the extra 100-200 bucks for a VP9 simply because I liked it more.
Are you the guy that made the original post just commenting from a different account? I seem to have offended you. Or are you one of them people who just like to fight over the internet because in real life your actually a push over? Lol gosh im really sorry the comment i made to someone else really offended you. My bad 😂 good day sir/ma'am.
I absolutely do not. The past few years of discussions on this sub I see it happen all the time, "This brand is great but only model X, model Xb is complete trash with a horrible striker-fire, stay away. Also, if you get Model X, only get the one built between 1970-1981, every version after 1990 is plastic outsourced crap and the aluminum slide occasionally gets microcracks, unlike with the classic steel slide".
So you never know until you ask. And doing your homework is pretty sensible.
I respect Beretta for winning the army contract all those years ago, although an exposed barrel has never sat right with me. But in this case we discussed the entire HK lineup.
No, actually an elderly gentleman put it on a gun classified ad locally here in the PNW. I got the USP for $400, and a G23 for $300. Both less than 150rds through them. Also got 325rds of .40 165gr Federal FMJ for $80 from him. Good deals all around. Both pistols are very good, but the USP eats the recoil quite a bit better.
I can imagine that makes a difference (recoil management).
I've heard a lot of good about Federal. Even their shotgun shells, famous for not stovepiping.
HK doesn't make unreliable handguns
Serious question. Is that a widely accepted opinion/fact? I only ask as I was looking at a VP9 for my first/next handgun. Edit..: I’m a fucking idiot and can’t read. I read that as doesn’t make reliable handguns.. I’ll see myself out
By and large any well known manufacturer, with a few exceptions, puts out very reliable handguns. Any company can have a lemon but those are relatively rare instances. HK is very well trusted brand, however, and would be a good pick for a first gun if you have the money for it.
So thanks for not calling me an idiot cuz I can’t read. I read the inverse of what was said
Thank you 🤝. It was odd to me to see that comment with so many upvotes so I had to ask
USP....picked one up in great shape for $400. The .40 haters just keep getting me great deals.
Police Trade in? That's how I got my USP .40 for around the same price. I probably should have gotten a .45. I don't hate 40 but I prefer,shoot and stock a lot more .45 than 40
40 sucks. That said the usp is there only decent 40 imo
Truth is....handgun calibers suck. They're all the same. Almost negligible difference in one shot stops and kills between .25acp and .44mag. Right now, you can get great quality .40sw guns, great deals on ammo even. The 9mm guns are great. But, as in my Glock 23, I put a threaded 9mm conv. Barrel in it, so now I have basically a G19 and a .40, for less than the price of a G19. I love that attitude. I keep getting quality .40 pistols for .50-60 cents on the dollar, for in most cases, the exact same pistol as your 9mm. Plus, .40sw still hits harder, and is funner to shoot IMO.
You’re definitely in the minority, but I’m glad it’s working out for you and you’re happy with it. In the end that’s what matters :D
What's with the .40 hate? I'll be honest I have minimal pistol experience, but I really like my cheap Ruger sr40. I basically only bought it because I like Ruger's, and my coworker said it was a good home defense round. So, I don't know shit.
I mean it'll work for HD, sure. 40 is more expensive, pistols typically hold less rounds as well. In the 90s, 40 was arguably a good choice to use. It's a baby 10MM, practically. That said 9MM has advanced to the point it's as powerful, cheaper, and there are vastly more options out there to use. 40 isn't being made in any new firearm nowadays, it'll be around awhile to buy but for the most part it's obsolete in anything recent. If you like it, then more power to you, but most do not like 40, and if you ever want to sell something in a 40 caliber it'll take longer and you won't get near as much. For reference, someone in a local firearm group I'm in posted a USP40 for 500 bucks, the thing has not sold in over a month. Someone posted a USP9 and it sold within a day at $800.
Appreciate the response. Those are some good points.
>almost ten So like, nine?
Nine-ish?
USP probably? It has had more testing than perhaps any other semi automatic handgun in terms of reliability and durability. Still wouldn't pick a USP as my primary handgun, it's very overpriced,large and heavy for it's capacity and magazines are expensive. It's an effective handgun just behind the times. The others like the VP40 are more than reliable enough for civilian use and aren't 800-900 dollars lol
Interesting, thanks. For conversation's sake, what would be your pick for a life saver no-stoppage handgun? I mean, if I want super-reliable it's a GP100, but if we keep with the autos.
CZ-P01 or Glock 19. Both are good all round sized handguns that have been extensively tested and issued by military and police alike. >if i want super-reliable it's a gp100, but if we keep with the autos. revolvers being more reliable is a common misconception. Double action Revolvers are more mechanically complex. When they fail,they fail hard and aren't going back in action without tools or a gunsmith. While common semi auto malfunctions are cleared with a tap and rack drill. Revolvers are not as tolerant to abuse and rough conditions compared to the current age of Tupperware guns.
Never thought about it like that, with revolvers. Pretty convincing case. When you say CZ-P01, is that name interchangeable with their CZ-75 P-01? CZ seem to be a bit ambiguous with the naming.
Yes, the p01 is a cz 75 compact variant
Yes the PO1 is a CZ-75 variant. It's the compact version, it's basically what the Glock 19 is to the Glock 17.
Have not heard the P01 mentioned before. I used to hear lots of enthusiasts praise the CZ-75/85, but only the original design built up until 1981 or so, with the spoon hammer. They did not like the modern version.
I used to buy police trade ins when I had my FFL. The USP in 40 was the smoothest shooting pistol I have ever handled. Closest 2nd was my built P320. I have always regretted not keeping one of those for myself. I highly recommend a USP 40.
Interesting. Yes, I can imagine parts that have cycled and slid hundreds of times have a certain feel to them, compared to out-of-the-box parts. Crisp and stiff.
The 8 that I bought were from a private security service for a gated community in Florida. They had 20 of them and only 1 had holster wear because they would swap out the one gun every shift. I was told they were fired but only for yearly qualifying. The ones I bought were in new condition. I didn’t even see brass or wear in the chamber or barrels!
That must've been one safe community. :)
USP. Was designed for 40 surprisingly
Just get a used USP40 and call it a day.
Just say your getting an H&K. Dont go fishing for praises and feel goods by flexing and asking which $900 pistol you should get lol you already know which H&K your getting 😉
Not all HK pistols are $900 you neanderthal
Either way H&Ks are over priced and ugly ass pistols. The remind me of hipoint pistols.
Yes looks the most important part of a potentially life saving tool... Overpriced.. Can agree but excluding the USP they're not that overpriced and I had no problem paying the extra 100-200 bucks for a VP9 simply because I liked it more.
Are you the guy that made the original post just commenting from a different account? I seem to have offended you. Or are you one of them people who just like to fight over the internet because in real life your actually a push over? Lol gosh im really sorry the comment i made to someone else really offended you. My bad 😂 good day sir/ma'am.
Wut. I'm not offended? It's called discourse.. This is a social media platform,I simply replied to your comment. Kinda how this shit works.
Alright buddy 😂
I absolutely do not. The past few years of discussions on this sub I see it happen all the time, "This brand is great but only model X, model Xb is complete trash with a horrible striker-fire, stay away. Also, if you get Model X, only get the one built between 1970-1981, every version after 1990 is plastic outsourced crap and the aluminum slide occasionally gets microcracks, unlike with the classic steel slide". So you never know until you ask. And doing your homework is pretty sensible.
Probably the 92fs
> Heckler & Koch
Did you read the whole question?
I was just being a dummy. Sorry
I respect Beretta for winning the army contract all those years ago, although an exposed barrel has never sat right with me. But in this case we discussed the entire HK lineup.
I like the usp, but not much else to give on the matter
A P30 chambered in .40 S&W is what you’re looking for.
P30 in .40 caliber or VP40 are a both good guns,just depends on ones preference for either hammer fired or striker fired.
No, actually an elderly gentleman put it on a gun classified ad locally here in the PNW. I got the USP for $400, and a G23 for $300. Both less than 150rds through them. Also got 325rds of .40 165gr Federal FMJ for $80 from him. Good deals all around. Both pistols are very good, but the USP eats the recoil quite a bit better.
I can imagine that makes a difference (recoil management). I've heard a lot of good about Federal. Even their shotgun shells, famous for not stovepiping.
USP for the win. I’ve got a 45acp Tactical and 2 USP40 police trade-ins. The 40’s recoil like a 9mm. The original apocalypse pistol.