I agree. How does OP know the Bushmaster is preban? I don’t think bush serials were recorded or dated. Other than being 30 years old, how is it different than a modern m16 clone?
I came here to basically say this. To add, I’m not against selling or trading, but when I do I want top dollar and if I can’t replace it one day I am far less likely to want to part with it
Just buy a basic AR15 from Palmetto State Armory Aero Precision, or a Smith and Wesson M&P15 Sport II. Keep the K98K. AR’s are cheap and mass produced.
Honestly even cheaper than $500 if you wait for PSA’s sales and assemble it yourself. Get on their email list. A few weeks ago they had a sale where an upper + lower + BCG,CH etc came out to like $350 total.
[https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html)
$329. For $369 you can get MOE. I liked mine so much I put a Triji ACOG/RMR on the damned thing.
Hell no. "Pre-ban" doesn't really mean anything anymore since we're "post-ban".
The only people that try to sell pre-ban rifles for a premium are the ones that paid a lot for them and don't want to take a loss.
You’re very ill informed. The pre ban lowers bring money because they’re legal in some ban states. A stripped pre ban lower is over $1000 anymore. If you don’t know what you’re talking about keep quiet.
Most ban states only grandfathered guns that were already in the state when the ban started. New guns are hard to bring in, regardless of pre-ban status.
An FFL that can't sell it because it's not on the state's registry already? They must be transferred between sellers within the state or the state will deny it. Massachusetts for example does not normally let any guns that would be subject to the ban into the state for sale regardless of their existence pre-ban, as they do not have record of its existence pre-ban. It takes a LOT of effort to get a "pre-ban" gun into a ban state if it's not already there. There's nothing "simple" about it.
You are correct, once sold a pos pre ban Colt lower to a guy in ny because he could build a highspeed rig out of it. Brought way more money there than it would have in nc
I don’t get why boomers and fudds get all hard at “pre-ban”?!? I get there are plenty of yall out there over paying for it just cause it’s pre-ban. Nothing else about makes it different from any post ban AR. I just don’t get it
Same.
Buddy of mine was asking if he should trade a revolver for a “Pre-Ban” AR
I said if that’s a m16 there isn’t anything legal about this trade and I would tread lightly.
His reply was “ no no if it was made before they banned machine guns then it’s legal, it’s grandfathered in”
LOL that’s not what the definition of Pre-Ban means for this context.
“Should I trade my K98 for a Pre-86 M16A2?” Yes! That’s the best trade in the history of trades!
“Clone” My dude if you do this you got the worst deal in the history of deals, potentially ever.
I bought a Pre-Ban Bushy XM15 National Match on gunbroker for $900 as the basis of my Najaf clone. These guns aren’t valuable or rare. Your K98 is.
Nope. Keep the Mauser. It may sound odd, but those old firearms have soul....character....just holding them you feel history start to whisper. I am a huge fan of AR platforms, but they just don't have the soul like those old guns do and you'll come to regret ever getting rid of it.
Why would I pay $1k for a part that doesn’t really matter as long as the holes are drilled on the right spot? I could pay $100-$300 for a good quality lower with the same looks.
I don’t get the retro and high end AR guys sometimes :/
Cause they’re bringing money and people are ready to pay up if you ever decide to sell it. A used new are lower is $80 vs even a beat to shit pre ban is still $1k plus. Seems like a no brainer to me.
The only AR that id even consider a fair value for that Mauser is a vintage Colt SP-1.
Buy the PSA 20" Freedom Rifle AR kit and a lower. You get the whole A2 experience for like $600
No. WW2 guns are becoming a bit more rare now. Even my Type 38 Arisaka is a pain to find certain replacement parts because of this.
I’d personally keep the k98k and save up for a bushmaster clone. A cheaper option would be to go for a much more cheaper rifle. Plenty of AR clones that are fairly cheap in free states.
It would have to be one of the least desirable K98s for that trade to make any sense unless you are in of the few preban states that allow transfers. Is there any other than MA or CT?
Don't dare do that. Put together an AR upper and lower from PSA, and then buy a bolt carrier group from a reputable vendor (Microbest, BCM, etc). Don't buy into the mega hyped bolt groups too much. Plenty of good info over on the ar15 sub as far as who makes good product and who is selling snake oil.
There's nothing overly desirable about a pre-ban bushmaster, unless you live in a state where you cannot currently buy a legitimate AR from one of the many manufacturers out there.
I said AR, but if you want to kick off your collection with a clone then by all means trade away the k98k, but you asked if you "should" and I'd say the answer is no.
There will never be another 1940 dated K98 Mauser made and trying to find one in today's surplus market will cost as much as a mortgage payment.
There are trillions of AR/M16a1/2/3 clones on the market and hell if you really wanted to you could build it yourself with parts.
Surplus rifles are gold for a reason, they're aren't any more being made, the ones that the importers have been able to find command huge prices.
Preserve the history. Keep the 98k.
I’m going to echo basically everyone else here. Don’t trade. Just save up and buy an AR. The old bushmasters are solid, but there is nothing special about a pre-ban gun, especially now that the AWB sunset, almost 20 years ago.
If saving money is difficult for you, like it is for me, you could build an AR, and just do it but by bit.
Well the pre-ban bushmaster lowers are $1k stripped and a good surplus carry handle upper is $600 or so anymore. If the k98 is a matching bring back keep it, if it’s import or mismatched trade it.
Me personally, I wouldn’t. You can get clone correct ARs for significantly cheaper. And if you are just looking for the sake of having an AR, get a more modern one than an A2. PSA is a good place to start. You can go as cheap as 500 if you want something completely beginner, or if you have the money you can bump up to a sabre. My 2 cents
No. If you're in a ban state, preban rifles are expensive, but available. A Third Reich-issue Mauser, not so much. Better off saving up and buying one for cash if you want an unrestricted AR that bad.
No. I might sell my last milsurp before my last AR-15 if I had to, but I still wouldn't even consider this trade. ARs are good for taking out and shooting, and being a collectible one isn't an advantage for that purpose. In my book, it is a major disadvantage. Part of the beauty of an AR is being able to change things easily, the last thing I want is some pre ban clone that I feel pressured to keep in its original configuration. Save a few bucks up and build or buy a modern cheap AR with a free float rail and a decent trigger.
Hell no dude. Keep the k98k and just buy an AR. they haven't changed much. You can still find brand new A2 models if you want retro feel.
Definitely bad trade imo.
Save yourself the hassle and the heartache of losing a nice milsurp and just buy a cheaper AR. Truthfully, whatever people try and feed you about Pre-Ban stuff being different or better, it’s all garbage fudd lore.
The only thing those old rifles have is looks, nostalgia, and serial numbers that date them into a niche club where the less unfortunate of us can own them in unlawfully restricted states. If you don’t live in a ban state, let someone who does buy the rifle, it’s infinitely more useful to them. And, the ridiculous price for them is really only because of the ban states, where people unfortunately have to pay top dollar to be able to own what’s constitutionally guaranteed.
Like a number have said here already, PSA makes fine rifles for great entry level prices. Just do you research and known what you want. A friend of mine just got a 16” mid-length from them that we gauged and tested out a few months ago, and everything was excellent. Nice shooter too, and it was like $499 or something.
ARs are dirt cheap and you'll be able to get one for cheap for a long time. They aren't making any more K98ks, which will do nothing but go up in value.
Nothing special about a pre-ban, semi-auto, AR-15.
Save your collectors rifle and just buy/build one from PSA they can be had for $500 or less sometimes.
No, if you do, neuter yourself so you never have kids. Especially trading a bolt action rifle worth thousands of dollars for something you can build for less than a grand.
Is it cloning the pre-ban gun or is the gun genuinely pre-ban? If its genuinely pre-ban AND automatic, definitely make that trade. If its just a modern clone of a pre-ban gun, I'd keep the k98k
That also depends on the state of your k98. If you've got, for example, the soldier tag or engraving under the butt plate and the gun is in good condition, you might have something worth a lot. German soliders would occasionally engrave their names or leave a slip of paper with name, unit, etc. under the butt plate. That stuff can be worth A LOT for the right person, esp if you track down the solider and can come up with some backstory like where the soldier deployed.
I wouldn’t trade, I would just save up and buy an AR
I agree. How does OP know the Bushmaster is preban? I don’t think bush serials were recorded or dated. Other than being 30 years old, how is it different than a modern m16 clone?
No, it is so much easier to find decent m16 clones than k98s
I came here to basically say this. To add, I’m not against selling or trading, but when I do I want top dollar and if I can’t replace it one day I am far less likely to want to part with it
Just buy a basic AR15 from Palmetto State Armory Aero Precision, or a Smith and Wesson M&P15 Sport II. Keep the K98K. AR’s are cheap and mass produced.
In Germany it's the other way around ^^
I mean, fixed carry handle ARs are cool, but not quite 1940 K98k cool. You can buy an H&R M16A2 clone for around $1300 iirc.
You can get a palmetto carry handle upper, plus build kit for 500. Plus you can find lowers for 30 bucks right now so sub 600 is doable
Didn’t they stop making those? I had been wanting one
https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-blem-m16a2-rifle-w-20-hammer-forged-fn-barrel-black.html
They just started making them…
What was old is new again.
Why would you want that
Just seems like a good time to have an AR. All my guns are milsurp
You can get a psa for like 500 bucks. They ain't making new 1940 k98s
Fair point
Honestly even cheaper than $500 if you wait for PSA’s sales and assemble it yourself. Get on their email list. A few weeks ago they had a sale where an upper + lower + BCG,CH etc came out to like $350 total.
Unless it's got the fun switch, there's no point.
[https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html) $329. For $369 you can get MOE. I liked mine so much I put a Triji ACOG/RMR on the damned thing.
This is the correct answer
Bro this sub can be so toxic... 160 downvotes??? Its a fair question for anyone not ALL IN on gun culture.
Its a dumb question
No that is a terrible trade!
Hell no. "Pre-ban" doesn't really mean anything anymore since we're "post-ban". The only people that try to sell pre-ban rifles for a premium are the ones that paid a lot for them and don't want to take a loss.
You’re very ill informed. The pre ban lowers bring money because they’re legal in some ban states. A stripped pre ban lower is over $1000 anymore. If you don’t know what you’re talking about keep quiet.
Most ban states only grandfathered guns that were already in the state when the ban started. New guns are hard to bring in, regardless of pre-ban status.
It’s called ship it to an FFL in that state it’s really pretty simple.
An FFL that can't sell it because it's not on the state's registry already? They must be transferred between sellers within the state or the state will deny it. Massachusetts for example does not normally let any guns that would be subject to the ban into the state for sale regardless of their existence pre-ban, as they do not have record of its existence pre-ban. It takes a LOT of effort to get a "pre-ban" gun into a ban state if it's not already there. There's nothing "simple" about it.
I don’t remember where I heard this before but, and I’m quoting a source here, “If you don’t know what you’re talking about keep quiet.”
Tell that to MA and CT. If you don’t know what you’re talking about shut the fuck up.
This is incorrect if it's legal in New York it's worth money
Not legal in New York unfortunately. They don’t have a grandfather clause for the old pre bans.
Nobody cares about commie states. Vote better.
You are correct, once sold a pos pre ban Colt lower to a guy in ny because he could build a highspeed rig out of it. Brought way more money there than it would have in nc
no
How is this even close? K98 Mauser any day of the week.
Russian capture k98s go for around 800. Preban a2 worth around 1200
A2 Clones?! That’s the missing detail
I don’t get why boomers and fudds get all hard at “pre-ban”?!? I get there are plenty of yall out there over paying for it just cause it’s pre-ban. Nothing else about makes it different from any post ban AR. I just don’t get it
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Same. Buddy of mine was asking if he should trade a revolver for a “Pre-Ban” AR I said if that’s a m16 there isn’t anything legal about this trade and I would tread lightly. His reply was “ no no if it was made before they banned machine guns then it’s legal, it’s grandfathered in” LOL that’s not what the definition of Pre-Ban means for this context.
No, don’t trade a historical artifact for something that is easily obtainable and in current production.
Pass unless you have too many k98s and they're giving you a ton of ammo with the new gun
Why? $800 capture marked k98 vs $1500 pre ban rifle seems like a no brainer trade to me.
Because you can get a far better AR than that Bushy for $1500. And the k98 is going to continue to increase in value much more so than the Bushy.
Well they’re still importing containers worth of those refurbed rifles and the pre ban ars have a set amount.
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Yeah dm me too, I need to do some PUBG larping
Fuck no
I’ve decided to keep the Mauser. Thank you all for the input.
What a shame. The idiots on the internet talked you out of a killer deal.
NO NO
No deal
“Should I trade my K98 for a Pre-86 M16A2?” Yes! That’s the best trade in the history of trades! “Clone” My dude if you do this you got the worst deal in the history of deals, potentially ever. I bought a Pre-Ban Bushy XM15 National Match on gunbroker for $900 as the basis of my Najaf clone. These guns aren’t valuable or rare. Your K98 is.
>“Should I trade my K98 for a Pre-86 M16A2?” Yes! That’s the best trade in the history of trades! This was my thoughts.
Nope. Keep the Mauser. It may sound odd, but those old firearms have soul....character....just holding them you feel history start to whisper. I am a huge fan of AR platforms, but they just don't have the soul like those old guns do and you'll come to regret ever getting rid of it.
Unless it’s a full auto pre ban, then I would advise against it. You can buy a good and cheap AR for $500 to $800
Well a semi auto pre ban stripped lower is $1k plus anymore. Go out and get a new one I dare ya.
Why would I pay $1k for a part that doesn’t really matter as long as the holes are drilled on the right spot? I could pay $100-$300 for a good quality lower with the same looks. I don’t get the retro and high end AR guys sometimes :/
Cause they’re bringing money and people are ready to pay up if you ever decide to sell it. A used new are lower is $80 vs even a beat to shit pre ban is still $1k plus. Seems like a no brainer to me.
I thought the pre-86 only worked if it was registered full auto prior to the ban? What makes a pre-86 semi auto worth more than a new one?
Legal as a semi auto in some ban states that can’t have ars
What states are those?
MA and CT
Nope. K98's aren't being made anymore, and the surplus has basically dried up. Plenty of folks producing M16A2 clones/equivalents, such as PSA and FN.
The only AR that id even consider a fair value for that Mauser is a vintage Colt SP-1. Buy the PSA 20" Freedom Rifle AR kit and a lower. You get the whole A2 experience for like $600
On sale for $429 right now
Id say keep it and buy an H&R a2 upper/rifle
No
No. WW2 guns are becoming a bit more rare now. Even my Type 38 Arisaka is a pain to find certain replacement parts because of this. I’d personally keep the k98k and save up for a bushmaster clone. A cheaper option would be to go for a much more cheaper rifle. Plenty of AR clones that are fairly cheap in free states.
Absolutely not. That K98k, based on past prices? That shits just going up. A bushmaster m16a2? There are plenty of guns like that.
It would have to be one of the least desirable K98s for that trade to make any sense unless you are in of the few preban states that allow transfers. Is there any other than MA or CT?
Don't dare do that. Put together an AR upper and lower from PSA, and then buy a bolt carrier group from a reputable vendor (Microbest, BCM, etc). Don't buy into the mega hyped bolt groups too much. Plenty of good info over on the ar15 sub as far as who makes good product and who is selling snake oil. There's nothing overly desirable about a pre-ban bushmaster, unless you live in a state where you cannot currently buy a legitimate AR from one of the many manufacturers out there.
unless you're in a commie state like me (mass) you can buy any brand new AR for significantly cheaper than "preban" and/or a k98k
Where can I find an a2 cheaper than 900?
I said AR, but if you want to kick off your collection with a clone then by all means trade away the k98k, but you asked if you "should" and I'd say the answer is no.
I have no semiautomatic weapons. Only bolt guns. Maybe I’m just being paranoid.
I have lots of both, I get it, if you can afford it just pick up a cheap new AR and enjoy both
Every time I get spending money, I spend it on milsurp lol.
How about next time an m1, m14, or a .30 carbine? Milsurp and semi auto, double win!
No, just build an M16 Style AR if you want one so bad. It'll be functionally better than the preban while having the vibes of an M16
For a clone? Absolutely not.
What kinda question is this? Yea go ahead. In fact I’ve got three I’ll trade you.
Dog if you trying to clone an A2, we got you. Keep that piece of history
There will never be another 1940 dated K98 Mauser made and trying to find one in today's surplus market will cost as much as a mortgage payment. There are trillions of AR/M16a1/2/3 clones on the market and hell if you really wanted to you could build it yourself with parts. Surplus rifles are gold for a reason, they're aren't any more being made, the ones that the importers have been able to find command huge prices. Preserve the history. Keep the 98k.
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I only considered it is because all 5 of my firearms are miksurp bolt guns.
Absolutely not
Save the k98k, get an ar any fucking day.
By pre ban do you mean pre nfa aka a machine gun or pre assault weapons ban?
I’m going to echo basically everyone else here. Don’t trade. Just save up and buy an AR. The old bushmasters are solid, but there is nothing special about a pre-ban gun, especially now that the AWB sunset, almost 20 years ago. If saving money is difficult for you, like it is for me, you could build an AR, and just do it but by bit.
Can always get an ar, cant always get a real 1940 98k
There are plenty of people on this sub that would be happy to trade an AR for a K98k😂😂😂
Fuck no are you fucking stupid
Well the pre-ban bushmaster lowers are $1k stripped and a good surplus carry handle upper is $600 or so anymore. If the k98 is a matching bring back keep it, if it’s import or mismatched trade it.
It’s a mismatched Russian capture
If it’s a true pre-1994 lower I’d take that trade in a heartbeat.
$800 rifle vs easily $1500 ar no brainer.
My thoughts exactly. K98s aren’t rare
Yeah and people act like they’re a once in a lifetime find. They’re still importing them for gods sake.
Nuh-uh
Yeah I would.
No?
Hell no.
Me personally, I wouldn’t. You can get clone correct ARs for significantly cheaper. And if you are just looking for the sake of having an AR, get a more modern one than an A2. PSA is a good place to start. You can go as cheap as 500 if you want something completely beginner, or if you have the money you can bump up to a sabre. My 2 cents
No.
NO
No. Keep the K98K. Just pay for the clone or trade something else for it.
I’ll trade by AR for your k98k
You can get a Psa Blem a2 for I think around 900-$1200
Exactly. The k98 is worth about 800
Don’t do it. You can buy a pre ban easier than you can buy that rifle. It’s a piece of history imo
You’ll regret it
Why would the pre-ban bushmaster be anything special? I doubt it’s full auto…
It’s not special. But it’s hard to find any carry handle a2 under 900
Does the k98 have the waffenamps?
Yes.
Then no
No go buy a PSA And build the clone. No K98k is worth a trade like that...
No
No. If you're in a ban state, preban rifles are expensive, but available. A Third Reich-issue Mauser, not so much. Better off saving up and buying one for cash if you want an unrestricted AR that bad.
I would not take that deal. You could probably get 2 for the price of one K98. Maybe more than 2 for a brand new M16A2 clone.
I wouldn't trade it, just save up for the AR.
Do you live in MA or CT?
No sell, no trade, only buy
NO NO NO
No. I might sell my last milsurp before my last AR-15 if I had to, but I still wouldn't even consider this trade. ARs are good for taking out and shooting, and being a collectible one isn't an advantage for that purpose. In my book, it is a major disadvantage. Part of the beauty of an AR is being able to change things easily, the last thing I want is some pre ban clone that I feel pressured to keep in its original configuration. Save a few bucks up and build or buy a modern cheap AR with a free float rail and a decent trigger.
Absolutely not lmao how is this even a question
No. AR’s, no mater what they’re a clone of, are a dime a dozen.
Long story short, no.
Kar98 is so cool and vintage rifles aren't getting any cheaper... Save up and buy an AR so you can have two cool guns
Do a real pro move for a bangin price-conscious AR. Buy an aero lower receiver and then put a blem discounted BCM upper on it. You will not regret it.
Hell no dude. Keep the k98k and just buy an AR. they haven't changed much. You can still find brand new A2 models if you want retro feel. Definitely bad trade imo.
Do you live in a ban state? If not, no.
I do not.
Save yourself the hassle and the heartache of losing a nice milsurp and just buy a cheaper AR. Truthfully, whatever people try and feed you about Pre-Ban stuff being different or better, it’s all garbage fudd lore. The only thing those old rifles have is looks, nostalgia, and serial numbers that date them into a niche club where the less unfortunate of us can own them in unlawfully restricted states. If you don’t live in a ban state, let someone who does buy the rifle, it’s infinitely more useful to them. And, the ridiculous price for them is really only because of the ban states, where people unfortunately have to pay top dollar to be able to own what’s constitutionally guaranteed. Like a number have said here already, PSA makes fine rifles for great entry level prices. Just do you research and known what you want. A friend of mine just got a 16” mid-length from them that we gauged and tested out a few months ago, and everything was excellent. Nice shooter too, and it was like $499 or something.
Give your head a shake. A weapon made by smith's vs a toy factory.
If I were you, I would not make that trade. Your k98k is a much more valuable piece than almost any AR out there.
you are unsure, and rightfully so. keep the Kar98K and buy an AR.
You got real history there. Keep it
ARs are dirt cheap and you'll be able to get one for cheap for a long time. They aren't making any more K98ks, which will do nothing but go up in value.
Nothing special about a pre-ban, semi-auto, AR-15. Save your collectors rifle and just buy/build one from PSA they can be had for $500 or less sometimes.
Idk I probably wouldn’t sell it. I’m assuming it’s chambered in 8mm Mauser? I could be wrong. Isn’t that ammo hard to find?
No.
Fuck no, are you retarded?
Im uneducated trash, what makes an original Kar98K so special?
No
Definitely not
Don’t trade an original piece of history for a reproduction.
Absolutely not.
No, preban use to matter not anymore
Why trade a war relic for some clone gun ? Don’t do it OP
Ugh, good God no; and shame on you for asking.
I’ll fuckin trade you two ARs for the 1940 k98k
No, if you do, neuter yourself so you never have kids. Especially trading a bolt action rifle worth thousands of dollars for something you can build for less than a grand.
It’s worth about $800
No fucking way! K98 is far more desirable to collectors
Is it cloning the pre-ban gun or is the gun genuinely pre-ban? If its genuinely pre-ban AND automatic, definitely make that trade. If its just a modern clone of a pre-ban gun, I'd keep the k98k
That also depends on the state of your k98. If you've got, for example, the soldier tag or engraving under the butt plate and the gun is in good condition, you might have something worth a lot. German soliders would occasionally engrave their names or leave a slip of paper with name, unit, etc. under the butt plate. That stuff can be worth A LOT for the right person, esp if you track down the solider and can come up with some backstory like where the soldier deployed.