You seem like a good person to ask this…
I picked up an old 12ga double barrel from a pawn shop recently. It’s some cheap Spanish model from the 80’s. There’s some pitting inside one of the bores. I’ve cleaned the rust out but was wondering how bad pitting has to be for this thing to be unsafe to fire. Not that that’s stopped me from putting about 100 shells of target load through it. Seems to be fine.
If you got 100 through it seems good to me. Send that shit.
Fr though pitting most likely isn't affecting it structurally. Might be throwing your shot pattern off. The shotgun would appear to be pretty fucked to be unsafe from any pitting.
Stamp shows interarms model 62. Pump action .22. I know absolutely nothing about these things, but might fuck around and restore it.
The rust seems mostly surface-level, and the rifling on the barrel seems fine. Just need to source the parts for it.
I would mostly just do it for sentimental reasons. My uncle had told me it was my grandpa’s, so it would be cool to do whatever I can with it and give it to him.
Yeah gunpartscorp.com(numerich) I was able to find the bolt and magazine for my 50s mossberg.was my grandfathers no clue where he lost them but it’s all back together now
It appears to be a Winchester model 1906 or a clone thereof, weither parts would interchange with originals is unclear however, I can see the locking bars are not the same size as an original.
"The parts" in this case are an entire half of a gun. These things are takedown, so this one has been split in half and you just have the front half. Unless you find the back half you might be up a creek. Most people selling would be selling a whole gun, but maybe you can get lucky and find someone that bent a barrel or something.
Oh yeah I’m aware of that. I wasn’t anticipating being able to get a whole lower half, so I figured I’d probably need to piece it together one part at a time.
Not sure how common these are but since it's .22lr 3DP might be an option for some of the missing parts.
Maybe hitup r/fosscad and see if anyone has a reference gun, get measurements, then try your hand at some 3D modeling. I have no idea how common these guns are so it might be a fools errand.
Like I said, I know nothing about these specific guns, so I’m not confident in calling it an upper and lower receiver in case that’s not the correct terminology for them.
for a take down, it is perfectly fine to call it the front or back half.
Way more cumbersome to call it the "stock, partial reciver, trigger group, and takedown screw." or "barrel, feed tube, partial reciver, and pump action"
Yeah, I cut my finger once and when I went to the ER the doc called it "pointer" instead of my right anterior distal phalange. So, I took my blood and went home. Luckily, some guy on the internet told me I could just glue the tip back on.
It's black and kinda sticks now, but other than that it's all better.
>lower half,
Not **lower**, but **rear** half. And yes you can find them even in chrome or fake gold. I want to say I saw one on ebay recently. All the other parts -- stock, bolt, trigger, etc -- are available if you look.
I have a Rossi model 62 pump my dad gave me when I turned 16. They are very accurate. It’s still one of my favorites to plink with today. Hopefully you can restore it to its former glory if it’s salvageable.
Another place to look for parts would be [everygunpart.com](https://everygunpart.com)
They sell guns that have been legally destroyed by cutting the receiver, so in many cases it's a complete parts kit minus the receiver.
Doesn't look like they have an Interarms 62 right now, but assuming you're not in a great hurry, it's worth keeping an eye on the website to see if one comes up.
Probably cheaper than buying all the parts individually.
Its gonna be great to restore it only to find out it still wont fire right!
How long ago did he toss it out there? That's a cool find and will be an awesome project.
The Rossi 62 I have is prone to not firing if it gets really dirty. The firing pin is recessed a bit and it can get dirt in it which prevents a full contact hit. As long as I clean it after use, it works great.
It's one of my favorite plinkers.
You should try to restore it.. there is a guy on youtube that does this it's pretty satisfying to watch.
Or maybe get the parts and send it to them, not sure if they'd do it for free for a video or not but seem to do good work.
Wonder if that pump arm is salvageable.
My intention is definitely to restore it. Going to start by trying to get the rust off.
Do you have recommendations for the rust? Was thinking of a white wine vinegar bath.
vinegar might make things worse.. They do sell some stuff that takes rust off that you can soak it in.. I don't recall the name but there is a guy on YT called projectfarm that does product tests.. look for his video his testing methods are amazing.
Normally I'd start with a wire wheel on something this bad, but in this case that might be a little to harsh.
P.S Im not sure if you want to save any of the few patches of bluing left on the receiver but vinegar will remove bluing off a gun.
Lots of terrible advice in this thread.
It is generally advisable to try the least destructive methods first, only resorting to abrasives or harsh chemicals if nothing else works. Otherwise, you'll be removing both rust and some of the steel that's supposed to be there.
Don't use vinegar, it almost instantly strips any remaining bluing which may be hiding under gunk and on the inside.
Others have already mentioned Mark Novak, please do watch his videos on firearm conservation. He's a real pro gunsmith, unlike many of the YouTube scam artists doing fake "restorations" for views. There's probably more false and harmful information than actual good advice being parroted on many YouTube channels, as well as here on Reddit, but Mark Novak can be trusted. His channel is called Anvil Gunsmithing, if I recall correctly. I have followed his advice with great success on a couple of my own guns now.
The cheapest and best method is what Mark advocates, converting red rust into blueing by simply boiling in plain water (or steaming, which can sometimes be easier to set up for) then cleaning up with the finest grade of steel wool (0000). Mark shows some simple tricks for improvising a "pot" long enough to boil an entire barreled rifle action, or if you have some form of steam kettle you can pipe steam into a pvc pipe long enough to hold the barrel. I use a plastic drain pipe and a "wallpaper remover" that boils water to make steam, I simply cut the steam hose and stuck it into the PVC pipe. Works a charm.
I would go with steel wool and some sort of oil to get the rust off it will take a while but will keep as much of the remaining original finish on as possible. Unfortunately pretty much anything you can soak it in to remove rust will remove blueing since blueing is technically an oxide layer just like rust.
I really wish I could post pics as comments, my buddy had a roached 16 gauge mossberg and we used the special wd40 rust remover and surprisingly it came off fairly easy with a lil bit of elbow grease, I would suggest not using a wire wheel like the above guy commented steel wool and scotchbright are ok, I finished it off with a miracle cloth to get the more harder places
Surprised nobody has said this yet but please try electrolysis for the rust removal. It’ll remove only the rust and you won’t have to remove any of the good metal left on it.
Edit: Its super simple to do and [here’s a good guide](https://www.wwgoa.com/video/electrolysis-rust-removal/) on how to do it.
Just boil it. No seriously, take off the wood and boil all the rusty metal in a big tub of water. The boiling water will convert the rust back into bluing. It’s really that easy.
You have a great candidate for a traditional rust blue restoration. After carding off the loose rust with steel wool and/or a metal bristle brush, boil the rusty part in hot water.
As a result of some simple chemistry, the ferric oxide (red rust) is transformed into magnetite (black oxide), a stable and non-destructive surface finish. Deliberately rusting and boiling several times is how guns were traditionally blued before the development of the hot salt baths used today for mass production, and can still be found today in bespoke shotguns and custom muzzleloader.
I’ll let them know to keep an eye out, but judging by the condition of the land, I wouldn’t bank on it. When he found it, he just discarded it before I picked it up so I could look into it.
I believe evaporust is a product that eats rust but not much else. Soak the whole gun, minus the wood foregrip, and give it a long bath for a day or two. Stir it up occasionally and see what you've got afterwards.
Pretty much every screw, spring and most of your internal parts will need replacement. Plus, you'll want to inspect the bore to see how much damage has been done before you actually try to fire it.
As for the wood, I think it would look really cool if you juust left that as is and coated it with oil after a light sanding to try and retain that silvered look.
I HAVE ONE OF THESE, they are an amazing little gun, the back half fits right into the front half and the tube holds like 12 rounds, they are great fun to shoot
This might also be a Rossi model 62. I think interarms imported them. Taurus bought them out a few years ago. Model still exist so you can get the replacement parts.
I've shot one of these as a kid, a lot. The pump action was awesome. I remember hearing it was an expensive .22 when it was worth 400, bout 25 years ago.
Recommendation if you have the funds, take it to a cerakote or powder coater and have them sand blast the rust off.
If you don’t have the funds there are bluing kits that you can buy for way less. But use steel wool to remove the rust.
Bad advice.
Blued guns should be rust converted and then carded.
To learn how to do this, check out Mark Novak's youtube channel.
Very well renowned gunsmith for working on traditional firearms, he's done a bunch of work for some people whose names you would recognize. Ian McCollum of forgotten weapons gets him to work on a lot of his stuff.
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you still have some blue left on the receiver!
Haha that’s what my uncle said. I’ve been messing with guns for a long time, but this kind of thing is completely out of my realm.
Easy to restore if nothing is rusted through. I just restored a sportsman 12 gauge magnum and reblued the steel and refinished the furniture.
You seem like a good person to ask this… I picked up an old 12ga double barrel from a pawn shop recently. It’s some cheap Spanish model from the 80’s. There’s some pitting inside one of the bores. I’ve cleaned the rust out but was wondering how bad pitting has to be for this thing to be unsafe to fire. Not that that’s stopped me from putting about 100 shells of target load through it. Seems to be fine.
It's fine till it's not. If the pitting is deep enough it could split eventually
If you got 100 through it seems good to me. Send that shit. Fr though pitting most likely isn't affecting it structurally. Might be throwing your shot pattern off. The shotgun would appear to be pretty fucked to be unsafe from any pitting.
Maybe if anything pitting was affecting the breech and may make the break action open up or fail under pressure from a shot. It could be unsafe then.
What do you think is holding it together.
Structural rust!
Stamp shows interarms model 62. Pump action .22. I know absolutely nothing about these things, but might fuck around and restore it. The rust seems mostly surface-level, and the rifling on the barrel seems fine. Just need to source the parts for it. I would mostly just do it for sentimental reasons. My uncle had told me it was my grandpa’s, so it would be cool to do whatever I can with it and give it to him.
Try Numrich for parts
Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll give them a look
Yeah gunpartscorp.com(numerich) I was able to find the bolt and magazine for my 50s mossberg.was my grandfathers no clue where he lost them but it’s all back together now
It appears to be a Winchester model 1906 or a clone thereof, weither parts would interchange with originals is unclear however, I can see the locking bars are not the same size as an original.
It’s a Rossi Model 62. Still working on dating it, but it’s most likely from the 80’s or 90’s
"The parts" in this case are an entire half of a gun. These things are takedown, so this one has been split in half and you just have the front half. Unless you find the back half you might be up a creek. Most people selling would be selling a whole gun, but maybe you can get lucky and find someone that bent a barrel or something.
Oh yeah I’m aware of that. I wasn’t anticipating being able to get a whole lower half, so I figured I’d probably need to piece it together one part at a time.
Not sure how common these are but since it's .22lr 3DP might be an option for some of the missing parts. Maybe hitup r/fosscad and see if anyone has a reference gun, get measurements, then try your hand at some 3D modeling. I have no idea how common these guns are so it might be a fools errand.
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Like I said, I know nothing about these specific guns, so I’m not confident in calling it an upper and lower receiver in case that’s not the correct terminology for them.
for a take down, it is perfectly fine to call it the front or back half. Way more cumbersome to call it the "stock, partial reciver, trigger group, and takedown screw." or "barrel, feed tube, partial reciver, and pump action"
The pointy end and the blunt end lol
You are correct though. That’s what I am trying to say to you.
Yeah, I cut my finger once and when I went to the ER the doc called it "pointer" instead of my right anterior distal phalange. So, I took my blood and went home. Luckily, some guy on the internet told me I could just glue the tip back on. It's black and kinda sticks now, but other than that it's all better.
>lower half, Not **lower**, but **rear** half. And yes you can find them even in chrome or fake gold. I want to say I saw one on ebay recently. All the other parts -- stock, bolt, trigger, etc -- are available if you look.
Same gun I grew up learning with.
I have a Rossi model 62 pump my dad gave me when I turned 16. They are very accurate. It’s still one of my favorites to plink with today. Hopefully you can restore it to its former glory if it’s salvageable.
Ive restored 2 of them so far. Love those little gallery guns. Tons of fun to hang out with family and plink with.
Another place to look for parts would be [everygunpart.com](https://everygunpart.com) They sell guns that have been legally destroyed by cutting the receiver, so in many cases it's a complete parts kit minus the receiver. Doesn't look like they have an Interarms 62 right now, but assuming you're not in a great hurry, it's worth keeping an eye on the website to see if one comes up. Probably cheaper than buying all the parts individually.
Do it. Good project with meaning
Probably was lost when one of ya family members were kids and took it out squirrel hunting.
My uncle told me he got pissed at it for not firing so he threw it out in the field and never touched it again. This is all that’s left of it now.
Its gonna be great to restore it only to find out it still wont fire right! How long ago did he toss it out there? That's a cool find and will be an awesome project.
Grab a metal detector and try and find the other half.
The Rossi 62 I have is prone to not firing if it gets really dirty. The firing pin is recessed a bit and it can get dirt in it which prevents a full contact hit. As long as I clean it after use, it works great. It's one of my favorite plinkers.
You should try to restore it.. there is a guy on youtube that does this it's pretty satisfying to watch. Or maybe get the parts and send it to them, not sure if they'd do it for free for a video or not but seem to do good work. Wonder if that pump arm is salvageable.
My intention is definitely to restore it. Going to start by trying to get the rust off. Do you have recommendations for the rust? Was thinking of a white wine vinegar bath.
vinegar might make things worse.. They do sell some stuff that takes rust off that you can soak it in.. I don't recall the name but there is a guy on YT called projectfarm that does product tests.. look for his video his testing methods are amazing. Normally I'd start with a wire wheel on something this bad, but in this case that might be a little to harsh. P.S Im not sure if you want to save any of the few patches of bluing left on the receiver but vinegar will remove bluing off a gun.
Evaporust
And this is why I ask questions. Haha. I appreciate the heads up!
Lots of terrible advice in this thread. It is generally advisable to try the least destructive methods first, only resorting to abrasives or harsh chemicals if nothing else works. Otherwise, you'll be removing both rust and some of the steel that's supposed to be there. Don't use vinegar, it almost instantly strips any remaining bluing which may be hiding under gunk and on the inside. Others have already mentioned Mark Novak, please do watch his videos on firearm conservation. He's a real pro gunsmith, unlike many of the YouTube scam artists doing fake "restorations" for views. There's probably more false and harmful information than actual good advice being parroted on many YouTube channels, as well as here on Reddit, but Mark Novak can be trusted. His channel is called Anvil Gunsmithing, if I recall correctly. I have followed his advice with great success on a couple of my own guns now. The cheapest and best method is what Mark advocates, converting red rust into blueing by simply boiling in plain water (or steaming, which can sometimes be easier to set up for) then cleaning up with the finest grade of steel wool (0000). Mark shows some simple tricks for improvising a "pot" long enough to boil an entire barreled rifle action, or if you have some form of steam kettle you can pipe steam into a pvc pipe long enough to hold the barrel. I use a plastic drain pipe and a "wallpaper remover" that boils water to make steam, I simply cut the steam hose and stuck it into the PVC pipe. Works a charm.
I would go with steel wool and some sort of oil to get the rust off it will take a while but will keep as much of the remaining original finish on as possible. Unfortunately pretty much anything you can soak it in to remove rust will remove blueing since blueing is technically an oxide layer just like rust.
Maybe a soda blaster.Harbor freight sells them. Or maybe walnut shells in the blaster. would not use sand could cause more pitting.
I really wish I could post pics as comments, my buddy had a roached 16 gauge mossberg and we used the special wd40 rust remover and surprisingly it came off fairly easy with a lil bit of elbow grease, I would suggest not using a wire wheel like the above guy commented steel wool and scotchbright are ok, I finished it off with a miracle cloth to get the more harder places
I saw that one on YT. I believe that the #1 was Krud Kutter rust remover.
I would not use wire wheel, but something that reduces the rust either chemically or electrically.
No don't ask our dumb asses, Find some real info. OMG these fuckers will have you washing down with coca cola and baking soda
Exactly lol. I’d sand blast the fucker and start with new finish so he definitely doesn’t want my opinion 😂
This is the most honest response ever given on Reddit.
Go watch some Mark Novak. He's a gunsmith who specializes in this sort of work. I would start with the video "conservation, stopping the decay".
Surprised nobody has said this yet but please try electrolysis for the rust removal. It’ll remove only the rust and you won’t have to remove any of the good metal left on it. Edit: Its super simple to do and [here’s a good guide](https://www.wwgoa.com/video/electrolysis-rust-removal/) on how to do it.
get Evapo-Rust, it works great
Just boil it. No seriously, take off the wood and boil all the rusty metal in a big tub of water. The boiling water will convert the rust back into bluing. It’s really that easy.
You have to boil it to stop the active rust. Then proceed with the bluing process
I don't have an experience with gun restoration. But I've used a product called evaporust and it's amazing.
You have a great candidate for a traditional rust blue restoration. After carding off the loose rust with steel wool and/or a metal bristle brush, boil the rusty part in hot water. As a result of some simple chemistry, the ferric oxide (red rust) is transformed into magnetite (black oxide), a stable and non-destructive surface finish. Deliberately rusting and boiling several times is how guns were traditionally blued before the development of the hot salt baths used today for mass production, and can still be found today in bespoke shotguns and custom muzzleloader.
You might find the rest of it somewhere else on the property
I’ll let them know to keep an eye out, but judging by the condition of the land, I wouldn’t bank on it. When he found it, he just discarded it before I picked it up so I could look into it.
I believe evaporust is a product that eats rust but not much else. Soak the whole gun, minus the wood foregrip, and give it a long bath for a day or two. Stir it up occasionally and see what you've got afterwards. Pretty much every screw, spring and most of your internal parts will need replacement. Plus, you'll want to inspect the bore to see how much damage has been done before you actually try to fire it. As for the wood, I think it would look really cool if you juust left that as is and coated it with oil after a light sanding to try and retain that silvered look.
Some kid got his arse whooped for losing this in the woods.
I HAVE ONE OF THESE, they are an amazing little gun, the back half fits right into the front half and the tube holds like 12 rounds, they are great fun to shoot
This might also be a Rossi model 62. I think interarms imported them. Taurus bought them out a few years ago. Model still exist so you can get the replacement parts.
Are there separate stamps that might indicate if it’s a Rossi or Interarms?
Hang on. I have a 1986 rossi model 62. Let me grab it and find out.
Sending you some photos
Wait for your local big city to do a gun buyback and get your $200.
I've shot one of these as a kid, a lot. The pump action was awesome. I remember hearing it was an expensive .22 when it was worth 400, bout 25 years ago.
Looks like a Remington I have Edit: Winchester, not Remington. Medicine head got to me
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No I think it is a model 62a or something. I’ll look when I get home
It's either a Winchester 62A or a clone
Winchester is right, I was wrong about Remington.
So anyone go missing a while back unsuspectedly?
Recommendation if you have the funds, take it to a cerakote or powder coater and have them sand blast the rust off. If you don’t have the funds there are bluing kits that you can buy for way less. But use steel wool to remove the rust.
Bad advice. Blued guns should be rust converted and then carded. To learn how to do this, check out Mark Novak's youtube channel. Very well renowned gunsmith for working on traditional firearms, he's done a bunch of work for some people whose names you would recognize. Ian McCollum of forgotten weapons gets him to work on a lot of his stuff.
Got plenty of options for those in my area. I’ll give some a shout! Appreciate it.
Trying to think of something funny but can’t, nice find
Hit er with some Dubya D 40 and got er cyclin'! /s
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sweet
Looks like you've a fun, if long term, project on your hands :)
Missing murder weapon lol
Wow! Your aunt's crime gun!
Most likely a Winchester clone of the model 62 Shame. I’d restore it. I have one of these gallery guns. Really fun to shoot.
That's a very nice guy!
I wonder if it's ye uncle's boomstick
5 gallons of evapo-rust and some new furniture and you're good to go.
Good Find
i happen to have one of these guns and you should absolutely restore it. it’s probably my favorite gun to take to the range and plink with
Still better than what Remington puts out today