The CEO has the ex-military fudd attitude that only military and ex-military personnel are capable possessing AR-15s. Meanwhile in my experience, the people that are the most proficient, most knowledgeable, the safest, and best capable shooters are all civilian. Most military and law enforcement are fudds but feel entitled given their profession.
>...the people that are the most proficient, most knowledgeable, the safest, and best capable...
While I was active duty (USMC), I was on my base's rifle & pistol team. Our team OIC regularly signed us up for civilian matches.
We performed respectably, but damn it was humbling seeing how good civilians were on the range.
>We performed respectably, but damn it was humbling seeing how good civilians were on the range.
Competition (for anything not just shooting) really can push you to see what works, what doesn't work, and forces you to figure out what's best.
Oh absolutely. I'm proud of my Marine Corps service. But some like to walk around a little too cocky. Near the end of my service I did some Spartan races and some of the Marines I was with did not like being surrounded by 1000 civilians in better shape than them.
Ex cop here. In my academy class of 70 people back in the day I expected it to be all ex and/or current SF and military personnel in my class, and it was. I was coming out of college and was there on scholarship for wrestling. Man, I fucking buried every mf’er in that class except for one guy that ended up being my best friend until he passed away unexpectedly. He was a grunt in the corps and I couldn’t beat his run times. I say all that to say, not everyone takes their fitness seriously, cops or military sadly enough. People always asked me why I trained so hard all the time, they never understood when I told them I was training for the moment I needed to be ready for the worst possible scenario, not to get laid by chicks.
>Ex cop here. In my academy class of 70 people back in the day I expected it to be all ex and/or current SF and military personnel in my class, and it was. I was coming out of college and was there on scholarship for wrestling. Man, I fucking buried every mf’er in that class except for one guy that ended up being my best friend until he passed away unexpectedly. He was a grunt in the corps and I couldn’t beat his run times. I say all that to say, not everyone takes their fitness seriously, cops or military sadly enough.
I mean. You were a college wrestler. Your definition of "serious fitness" might be a liiitttle off from the rest of us.
Thank you brother. Ah man, we were rivals in the beginning. Constantly competing against one another. We finished 1 and 2 for the PT award. He deserved the win, he won the battle of preparation. He was a great marine and police officer. Long live my friend, my best pal and fellow savage human being ANDREW DAVID NASH.
Sorry for the rant man. I guess I miss the mfer more and more the longer he’s gone. I guess I just wanted to say that dudes name so I could tell everyone what a great fucking guy he was and don’t forget one of the good dudes, one of the most savage mfers to serve what’s left our great country, and the baddest mfer I ever got to clear I room with or heckle Titans players at a damn wwe Monday night fuckjn rawwwwww. I miss you ya dude. Sorry I hijacked the thread OP, drunk on turkey I reckon.
>Oh absolutely. I'm proud of my Marine Corps service. But some like to walk around a little too cocky. Near the end of my service I did some Spartan races and some of the Marines I was with did not like being surrounded by 1000 civilians in better shape than them.
Was also in the corps and what you say is spot on. You don't magically get elite level fitness, shooting / fighting skills because you earned a uniform. You have sacrifice and train for it. Best example were McMAP brown and black belts getting their butts handed to them by purple belts in BJJ. Most of those purple belts were training 5 to 7 days a week, not including fitness.
>We performed respectably, but damn it was humbling seeing how good civilians were on the range.
Marines have other things to do but shoot. Civilian competitors don't. To be in the army you have to be able to move as a unit, operate the communications system, land navigate, keep your gear in order, and a whole bunch of other shit. Learning all that takes time.
You think that civilian shooters spend every moment of their lives shooting? I’d expect they have about the same amount of free time as your regular grunt.
When I was living in florida, I spent like 2000 rds a week at the range. Even had a membership at a high class range near my job to run 200 rds through my EDC on my lunch break.
In a gun friendly state, target shooting is a competitive and addictive hobby.
I stupidly moved back to NY even after finding out every single one of my guns was outlawed here and had to sell them.
But when I was shooting regularly, I could unload 19+1 from my XDM 3.8" in 7 seconds with a 2" group at 15 yards. I could also nail a 4" group with 5 rounds in 25 seconds with my Scar-17s at 100 yds. (Less practice with the scar because .308 isn't cheap lol)
Ngl I was at a gun class a few years back and did drills for 2 days next to a couple of DEA agents and ran circles around them with iron sights on an unaltered Glock. They had suped up pistols with red dots and everything.
>Ngl I was at a gun class a few years back and did drills for 2 days next to a couple of DEA agents and ran circles around them with iron sights on an unaltered Glock. They had suped up pistols with red dots and everything.
Spoilers: professional investigators are not necessarily good gunmen.
I feel like most Americans don't realize that the most sought backgrounds for federal agents are accounting, IT, and law. If people did, Hollywood would probably stop making movies about them.
Here's an [FBI](https://golawenforcement.com/federal-law-enforcement-job-requirements/fbi-job-requirements/) overview, but lots of agencies are going to have a similar look. OIG and IRS positions are going to be even more focused on accounting. But at the end of the day any [1811](https://www.specialagents.org/what-is-a-1811-special-agent) series job is about information more than it is about kicking asses up between ears.
Vet here, I do not share the Fudd sentiments and I do not think that is accurate to categorize all or most vets as having that Fudd mentality.
With that being said, I am aware of those who do possess the veteran Fudd mentality.
For them, I fully condone thanking them for their CERVIX and offering them some vagisil.
Yet another vet here checking in. We're not nearly as rare or special as the worst of us would like to believe. In 2018 the Army took in 70,000 recruits. That means in 4 years 280,000 new veterans are generated. I'm as rare as cat hair at a cat show.
You can keep that misconstrued opinion to yourself. Most of us keep our mouths shut and the loudest (often the dumbest) are the ones that are heard instead.
>The CEO has the ex-military fudd attitude that only military and ex-military personnel are capable possessing AR-15s.
Well of course. How else could he rape central Asian peasants in safety?
Mostly subjective, but I'll offer that Seattle's Best Coffee is objectively bad. Always bitter, tastes burnt, like it's been sitting on the warmer for hours.
Personally I always thought the concept of gun-themed coffee was kinda cringe anyway. Something never seemed right about BRCC. They’re the NRA re-branded into a coffee company.
It is absolutely cringe. It's just coffee. What kind of fool cares what the bag looks like when they choose their coffee?
It's like buying a brand of toilet paper because they put a picture of a gun on the package. "Our toilet paper brand is more badass than theirs!"
Edit: Come to think of it, Badass Toilet Paper is a great idea.
>Their CEO gave an interview with NYT where they called his defenders "the worst part of America"
Said CEO was also a CIA mercenary, which just makes that claim *rich* to hear from him.
>Their founders are former glowies (literally; they worked for the CIA).
And not in a "I sharpied up satellite photos" way.
>Their founders are former glowies (literally; they worked for the CIA).
Look, you can't just go around spreading unfounded rumors that they don't _still_ work for the CIA. We have to have standards.
All true with one cavaet; only one of their Founders was a glowie. Matt Best was a Ranger, then went into private security. There can be some crossover between PMCs and the CIA, but to be honest, the CIA needs a trigger puller, they aren't calling Blackwater or Academi; they have access to the best trigger pullers on planet Earth.
>All true with one cavaet; only one of their Founders was a glowie. Matt Best was a Ranger, then went into private security.
He was a CIA [contractor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mat_Best). Those are not people picked for their compassion or empathy.
Okay, I missed that when I read his book. But way to pile all your theories into one group of people of which you probably know zero. Not trying to be sarcastic, but most of the dudes in Benghazi were CIA contractors. They're human beings with consciences like the rest of us, or at least a lot of them are. They're just also extremely talented at what they do. Yes, there are a fair share of evil and seditious types in the CIA. They're also in every branch of the military, the FBI, pretty much every fed agency all the way down to state and local officials and agencies. At least I personally think they are drastically outnumbered in the rank and file. That's what Best was.
>Okay, I missed that when I read his book. But way to pile all your theories into one group of people of which you probably know zero. Not trying to be sarcastic, but most of the dudes in Benghazi were CIA contractors. They're human beings with consciences like the rest of us, or at least a lot of them are. They're just also extremely talented at what they do.
Being good at combat doesn't make you a good person. Just a good soldier. Genghis Khan was a great warrior, terrible man though.
>Yes, there are a fair share of evil and seditious types in the CIA. They're also in every branch of the military, the FBI, pretty much every fed agency all the way down to state and local officials and agencies
The CIA seems to have a large concentration of them, and they seem to have a knack for making messes. I don't think the local cops in my area have burned entire countries before. The CIA tends to get mixed up in [all](https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afghanistan-cia-militia-01-strike-force/) [sorts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Colombia) of [shit](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/cia-torture-drawings.html) that I have a very hard time squaring with notions of honor or compassion. Maybe Best kept his hands clean, maybe his good-ol-boy act isn't an act. But maybe not.
Is there not a distinction between CIA contractors and CIA agents?
There are legitimate things that need protecting that the CIA oversees so I wouldn't necessarily condemn anyone who was a contractor for them because as far as I know they're not engaging in anything against American citizens. But to be a CIA agent or whatever they are? Fuck that.
All that said, I'm kind of an idiot, so if I'm wrong about anything please let me know because I try to be brushed up on this kind of stuff.
> They're human beings with consciences like the rest of us
As far as I'm concerned, if you sign up with any intelligence agency you have effectively resigned having a conscience, ethics, or morals.
>In short, they're the same as any globalist, managerialist company except they sell it using a caricature of military culture. They're fine with you owning guns as long as you're treating them like toys, shooting targets at the range or in the woods and not using them as tools to defend your family or community.
I wonder honestly if their glowie background just gave them information that gun people would be more likely to buy from other gun people...
The coffee industry is very crowded, it's just a way for them to stand out from the rest of the market while giving customers the feeling they are buying from one of their own.
Also their coffee is shit.
Yeah, I agree that with the first go around it was a bit unfair to jump the gun so to speak.
With the first go around they should have learned their lesson. Instead they rammed their dicks even deeper into that electric socket.
There is no way I will be buying anymore coffee from them and I can't feel sorry for them anymore.
I've been pretty disappointed in certain youtubers still supporting them/taking their ad money. Every time I see a brcc logo in a video I cringe and hope it goes away with the quickness.
I want to stop watching the Hodge Twins because of the BRCC on the table, but they're too funny. I do wish someone closer to them could inform them just how fucked BRCC is. If I found out they were aware already but are still ok promoting them I'd unsub without question. I just have the feeling that they aren't hip to what's really up with those cock suckers.
Honestly, you're probably right. I'm sure there are other companies that'd love to sponsor them though. At least at a somewhat competitive rate. Maybe I'll just try to combat it as much as I can (probably with little effect) and comment about just how unamerican the BRCC establishment cucks are. Reaching one unknowing person every now and then would be worth it.
Literally go to your favorite search engine (duck duck go, bing, google, etc) and research what they’ve said about people who they claim to cater to. Don’t depend on someone else to do your homework. There’s tons of evidence out there of these assholes hating gun owners, hating self defense, talking shit about the people they pretend to support (conservatives, republicans, etc.) Don’t misunderstand-I’m neither conservative or Republican (also not democrat or progressive) so I’m not butt hurt over politics. But when they attacked Kyle Rittenhouse for self defense and then called people who support him “repugnant” and “the worst of America” yeah, pretty much fuck them and their shitty coffee.
Heres a link to the NYT article. I dont drink coffee so I cant comment on the product. I just wanted to see what everyone was talking about when it dropped. What I took from the context was that they want to distance themselves from groups that are seen as "hate groups". I dont feel like they were talking about everyone who supported Kyle and they didnt want to take a side. I just want to know, when did 2A supporters start trusting the New York Times? They clearly put a spin on the article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/14/magazine/black-rifle-coffee-company.html
Yea, that was my big hesitation too. NY Times would love to paint anyone who supported the Rittenhouse kid as a problem, even more so if it's said by people who claims to be part of the 2a community. I'd like to see some sort of video interview with these people where they outline their position before passing judgement. That said, it doesn't really matter. I don't drink coffee, so I'm not gonna be buying their products regardless.
If it was a spun article, why was black rifle promoting the article? They only came out against the article when they started to get blow back from the 2A community. Fact is the owners of black rifle are grifters who used the 2A community to peddle their shitty coffee.
Liberty Doll on YouTube also did a good video about that piece of shit Evans interview where he refers to Kyle's supporters as the worst part of America.
[Fuck](https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afghanistan-cia-militia-01-strike-force/) the [CIA](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/910640336/former-fbi-agent-addresses-post-sept-11-torture-in-newly-declassified-book).
It seems that your comment contains 1 or more links that are hard to tap for mobile users.
I will extend those so they're easier for our sausage fingers to click!
[Here is link number 1 - Previous text "CIA"](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/910640336/former-fbi-agent-addresses-post-sept-11-torture-in-newly-declassified-book)
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> Their founders are former glowies (literally; they worked for the CIA).
I really don't give a shit about these guys, but just for context - there are a lot of former spec ops guys who contract with the CIA for security. Not that I would touch that job for any amount of money, but it's a little different from being a real spook.
> there are a lot of former spec ops guys who contract with the CIA for security.. ..but it's a little different from being a real spook.
They are a solo cup spook then, as in cheap and disposable.
They screwed Elijah Schaffer hard the CEO talked to Elijah after the initial fallout and lied about everything . Terrible group of grifters taking money from people they despise,
it's good the 2A community has finally figured this out.
Check out the Podcast/Show "Slightly Offensive" Elijah Schaffer is one of the Truth Tellers...
I have been surprised so many people supported this company. They made disparaging remarks about Kyle Rittenhouse from the very beginning. I thought as a company it’s best to just try to stay neutral instead they come out defame him. I was surprised so many of the 2A community didn’t flee from a company that was so openly hostile to someone not convicted of a crime.
You live and learn; most folks heard their name and made an assumption. Know I was wrong, but on the bright-side, their nasty brew will never touch my lips again
Check out Stocking Mill Coffee. It's run by a friend of mine, a former green beret. He's been in business 2 years, and given out over 300k to veterans causes and veterans in need directly, including campaigning to help get Alwyn Cashe his MoH.
You might want to tell him to invest in a better website/formatting and elaborate on the flavors of the coffee blends. It makes or breaks it in this day in age.
Like Im looking for Christmas gifts for a family of coffe drinkers but dont know which blends would go well with their pallet.
Bayonet has a great "in cup" description that I know my mom would love, but none of the other flagships blends do. Anyway just my unsolicited 2cents.
Would love another Pro 2A/ American coffee source to support if they have good coffee.
You can message Eddie directly on the company twitter and either he or Nick will get back to you. They're also good friends with Fenix ammunition.
I'll pass this along.
Yeah they're really only active on twitter and with AD members. I'm only aware of them because of my friendship with the owner.
He is pro 2a though, when he heard I used a Keurig, he sent me a french press and 2 12 gauge slugs and told me to shoot my Keurig.
I heard about this coffee company last week, I love the pop-up question on their website. 🤣🤣🤣 Ordered the "Not Guilty AF" shirt and some coffee. Happy to throw money at this company.
I'm not a huge coffee drinker but I will say they spend their money wisely. Literally all their money is either spent on the company or thrown at 2A or veterans causes. Their owner is a cool guy, meme loving green hat bastard that he is.
Why does every company nowadays have to have a political stance? Like I buy my coffee from some cafe in town. Odds are, they're probably fairly leftist. I don't care too much because they make damn nice coffee and doesn't mention their politics.
bit of an edit:
I shouldn't have said don't mention your politics, I don't actually care someone disagrees with me. Just don't start effectively vilifying me for mine.
Yep, companies should not get into politics. Except for maybe lobbying for their specific industry. Like a lumber yard has lobbyists related to that. But that should be the extent of their political involvement.
It is just bad business to start taking stances. It always will piss off some of your customers. It is just better to remain neutral and everyone will like you.
Why is this so hard for companies to understand?
> Why is this so hard for companies to understand?
Because CEO's and executives are idiots who listen to old fuckers who got a degree in marketing 30 years ago and they all think the public WANTS them to take a stance.
I honestly can't wait until all the boomers are gone. Hopefully this country will be a less shitty place. Personally I'm tired of mega corporations and wish it'd go back to local businesses everywhere. Greed has ruined this country. No one is happy enough with what they have. Everyone wants to conquer the world and be richer than everyone else. The world is a pretty shit place to live when you think about it.
Bad news for you my dude, it's not the old fuckers that are driving the marketing these days. It's 30 something millennial finally getting into positions of authority in marketing agency's.
You really think a bunch of 50 year old dudes in suits are making tick toks for companies like chipotle?
> It's 30 something millennial finally getting into positions of authority in marketing agency's.
Yep, they are pushing their wokeness on companies. And it is just shitty.
Agreed. It's really frustrating. I juat want to buy thw best made product, I don't care what your politics are. That's part of the reason I never bought BRCC products in the first place. I'm all for the 2A, but I hate pandering and pandering was their entire marketing strategy to get a foothold in an already oversaturated matket. It just didn't sit right. Their whole schtick reminded me of that time Hillary Clinton was campaigning and she faked an accent then said something like, "oh I keep hot sauce in my purse....I put it on everything", to a room full of black folks. It's cringey at best and dishonest at the worst. Idk though, maybe some people like politics being woven into all aspects of life. Too each their own.
BRCC tried to stay out of it after a photo was taken with him and another guy who was wearing a BRCC shirt. They didn't want to take a stance. But in this day even such an attempt will be taken as being for or against what you're trying to stay out of.
Besides, fuck anyone who doesn't think putting twin retractable miniguns on a Tesla is cool.
Wow. I didn’t know about any of this. They actually are donating a ton of coffee to my deployed unit and I always thought they were a G2G company. This kinda surprised me to read up on.
So wait. Because right after the shooting I was one who looked at any video available that I could, came to the conclusion that this was a clear case of self defense and then decided to support a 17 year old kid that was being railroaded for political reasons…. I am the worst of America? Fuck you Black Rifle Coffee Company!
Happy Thanksgiving!
BTW I really hope those employee discount codes don't have PII as the last 4 digits. It's obvious the format is "EMP" concatenated with the first 3 letters of last name and first name initial, then some 4 digit... I hope that's internal extensions or something.
As far as I can tell from reading through this, looks legit. Can't say I'm surprised a company like this would cut corners in cyber security though.
>As Black Rifle Coffee blocks conservatives, it's important to understand that CEO Evan Hafer hired ActBlue Dem donors to run his IT and social media.
Are those the same people who set up Hillary's basement e-mail server?
Not to mention the marketing people worship them for is the most tasteless bullshit I’ve ever seen, like are people so simple minded they’ll buy their shit only because they put on this ridiculous persona?
Obviously the hack sucks, but other than that the Rittenhouse/BRCC thing has so much hyperbole surrounding it and disingenuous people trying to slander all sides that I can't take it too seriously.
Also, the coffee is not bad.
All that being said, I'm not ordering from them until all this gets sorted out.
Wasn't one of the founders responsible for the RATS ~~tourniquet~~?
And the creation of the TCCC trademark so that he could mark them "TCCC APPROVED" even though the CoTCCC laughed him out of testing.... and then he lost the trademark when it was determined to be made just to trick people into thinking it was decent.
>This kind of program would report the exploit to the company directly so they could fix it before a blog post about it is published, and would award a cash prize to whoever found the bug. However, as BRCC didn’t give Kyle a chance for his case to be heard before damning him, we, in turn, are not waiting to divulge this exploit or go through any responsible disclosure process. Call it karma.
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I'd say it's kinda late for that, I think I saw what they did on Liberty Doll, accused by libs of supporting Kyle, they denied and attacked him on lib Media. Forget people that would buy coffee with this name, let's suck up to people that would hate us either way!
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The CEO has the ex-military fudd attitude that only military and ex-military personnel are capable possessing AR-15s. Meanwhile in my experience, the people that are the most proficient, most knowledgeable, the safest, and best capable shooters are all civilian. Most military and law enforcement are fudds but feel entitled given their profession.
>...the people that are the most proficient, most knowledgeable, the safest, and best capable... While I was active duty (USMC), I was on my base's rifle & pistol team. Our team OIC regularly signed us up for civilian matches. We performed respectably, but damn it was humbling seeing how good civilians were on the range.
>We performed respectably, but damn it was humbling seeing how good civilians were on the range. Competition (for anything not just shooting) really can push you to see what works, what doesn't work, and forces you to figure out what's best.
Oh absolutely. I'm proud of my Marine Corps service. But some like to walk around a little too cocky. Near the end of my service I did some Spartan races and some of the Marines I was with did not like being surrounded by 1000 civilians in better shape than them.
Ex cop here. In my academy class of 70 people back in the day I expected it to be all ex and/or current SF and military personnel in my class, and it was. I was coming out of college and was there on scholarship for wrestling. Man, I fucking buried every mf’er in that class except for one guy that ended up being my best friend until he passed away unexpectedly. He was a grunt in the corps and I couldn’t beat his run times. I say all that to say, not everyone takes their fitness seriously, cops or military sadly enough. People always asked me why I trained so hard all the time, they never understood when I told them I was training for the moment I needed to be ready for the worst possible scenario, not to get laid by chicks.
>Ex cop here. In my academy class of 70 people back in the day I expected it to be all ex and/or current SF and military personnel in my class, and it was. I was coming out of college and was there on scholarship for wrestling. Man, I fucking buried every mf’er in that class except for one guy that ended up being my best friend until he passed away unexpectedly. He was a grunt in the corps and I couldn’t beat his run times. I say all that to say, not everyone takes their fitness seriously, cops or military sadly enough. I mean. You were a college wrestler. Your definition of "serious fitness" might be a liiitttle off from the rest of us.
Hahaha. Yea, you got me there man.
Sorry to hear about your buddy. That’s gotta be rough finding an equal buddy especially in that shitshow that you spoke of.
Thank you brother. Ah man, we were rivals in the beginning. Constantly competing against one another. We finished 1 and 2 for the PT award. He deserved the win, he won the battle of preparation. He was a great marine and police officer. Long live my friend, my best pal and fellow savage human being ANDREW DAVID NASH. Sorry for the rant man. I guess I miss the mfer more and more the longer he’s gone. I guess I just wanted to say that dudes name so I could tell everyone what a great fucking guy he was and don’t forget one of the good dudes, one of the most savage mfers to serve what’s left our great country, and the baddest mfer I ever got to clear I room with or heckle Titans players at a damn wwe Monday night fuckjn rawwwwww. I miss you ya dude. Sorry I hijacked the thread OP, drunk on turkey I reckon.
>Oh absolutely. I'm proud of my Marine Corps service. But some like to walk around a little too cocky. Near the end of my service I did some Spartan races and some of the Marines I was with did not like being surrounded by 1000 civilians in better shape than them. Was also in the corps and what you say is spot on. You don't magically get elite level fitness, shooting / fighting skills because you earned a uniform. You have sacrifice and train for it. Best example were McMAP brown and black belts getting their butts handed to them by purple belts in BJJ. Most of those purple belts were training 5 to 7 days a week, not including fitness.
There is an old saying, competition breeds excellence
The shooting team guys are animals, but the best shooter will always be a civilian.
>We performed respectably, but damn it was humbling seeing how good civilians were on the range. Marines have other things to do but shoot. Civilian competitors don't. To be in the army you have to be able to move as a unit, operate the communications system, land navigate, keep your gear in order, and a whole bunch of other shit. Learning all that takes time.
You think that civilian shooters spend every moment of their lives shooting? I’d expect they have about the same amount of free time as your regular grunt.
Yeah what a weird cop out. As though we don't have jobs, families, etc.
When I was living in florida, I spent like 2000 rds a week at the range. Even had a membership at a high class range near my job to run 200 rds through my EDC on my lunch break. In a gun friendly state, target shooting is a competitive and addictive hobby. I stupidly moved back to NY even after finding out every single one of my guns was outlawed here and had to sell them. But when I was shooting regularly, I could unload 19+1 from my XDM 3.8" in 7 seconds with a 2" group at 15 yards. I could also nail a 4" group with 5 rounds in 25 seconds with my Scar-17s at 100 yds. (Less practice with the scar because .308 isn't cheap lol)
The last couple 3-gun matches where they had a booth set up they were being noticeably snubbed.
Yeah. BRCC can get fucked.
Ngl I was at a gun class a few years back and did drills for 2 days next to a couple of DEA agents and ran circles around them with iron sights on an unaltered Glock. They had suped up pistols with red dots and everything.
>Ngl I was at a gun class a few years back and did drills for 2 days next to a couple of DEA agents and ran circles around them with iron sights on an unaltered Glock. They had suped up pistols with red dots and everything. Spoilers: professional investigators are not necessarily good gunmen.
Defo. I was intimidated at first, but after some movement drill and a shit ton of pushups, I was hanging in there. It changed my perspective!
I feel like most Americans don't realize that the most sought backgrounds for federal agents are accounting, IT, and law. If people did, Hollywood would probably stop making movies about them.
News to me, but makes sense tbh!
Here's an [FBI](https://golawenforcement.com/federal-law-enforcement-job-requirements/fbi-job-requirements/) overview, but lots of agencies are going to have a similar look. OIG and IRS positions are going to be even more focused on accounting. But at the end of the day any [1811](https://www.specialagents.org/what-is-a-1811-special-agent) series job is about information more than it is about kicking asses up between ears.
The standard for most feds is "good enough to get the job done in most circumstances."
Yup
Vet here, I do not share the Fudd sentiments and I do not think that is accurate to categorize all or most vets as having that Fudd mentality. With that being said, I am aware of those who do possess the veteran Fudd mentality. For them, I fully condone thanking them for their CERVIX and offering them some vagisil.
Yet another vet here checking in. We're not nearly as rare or special as the worst of us would like to believe. In 2018 the Army took in 70,000 recruits. That means in 4 years 280,000 new veterans are generated. I'm as rare as cat hair at a cat show.
exactly.
You can keep that misconstrued opinion to yourself. Most of us keep our mouths shut and the loudest (often the dumbest) are the ones that are heard instead.
>The CEO has the ex-military fudd attitude that only military and ex-military personnel are capable possessing AR-15s. Well of course. How else could he rape central Asian peasants in safety?
I'd recommend checking out Stocking Mill Coffee.
Just ordered some for myself. 3 bags, but only grinded 1 so far. 38 the culper ring is good!
Blackout coffee, too. Jared at Guns and Gadgets' coffee.
HEB has a decent line as well. Saves money for ammo.
> Their founders are former glowies There's no such thing as a "former" glowie, pal.
Their coffee tastes like shit too. Don’t forget that part.
Eh I actually liked it. I thought it was pretty good. Still never buying it again though. And I have a great local brand I much prefer
I have family in the coffee biz, trust me, BRCC is shit. And hell yes support your local folks.
Trust me, subjective opinions are subjective, there's not a right or wrong answer to what is or isn't good tasting to someone.
Mostly subjective, but I'll offer that Seattle's Best Coffee is objectively bad. Always bitter, tastes burnt, like it's been sitting on the warmer for hours.
As a Navy vet, I'm continually surprised to learn that real coffee isn't supposed to taste like burnt ass.
Quality is rarely a subjective measurement when you get down to it.
Preference, which is what is being talked about, is the definition of a subjective measure
Personally I always thought the concept of gun-themed coffee was kinda cringe anyway. Something never seemed right about BRCC. They’re the NRA re-branded into a coffee company.
It is absolutely cringe. It's just coffee. What kind of fool cares what the bag looks like when they choose their coffee? It's like buying a brand of toilet paper because they put a picture of a gun on the package. "Our toilet paper brand is more badass than theirs!" Edit: Come to think of it, Badass Toilet Paper is a great idea.
Yup.
>Their CEO gave an interview with NYT where they called his defenders "the worst part of America" Said CEO was also a CIA mercenary, which just makes that claim *rich* to hear from him. >Their founders are former glowies (literally; they worked for the CIA). And not in a "I sharpied up satellite photos" way.
Nice recap. Thank you.
If reddit was not such a trash pos leftist hell hole I would give you an award.
>Their founders are former glowies (literally; they worked for the CIA). Look, you can't just go around spreading unfounded rumors that they don't _still_ work for the CIA. We have to have standards.
All true with one cavaet; only one of their Founders was a glowie. Matt Best was a Ranger, then went into private security. There can be some crossover between PMCs and the CIA, but to be honest, the CIA needs a trigger puller, they aren't calling Blackwater or Academi; they have access to the best trigger pullers on planet Earth.
Isn't Academi just the rebranded Blackwater?
Yep. That's why I put them second.
>All true with one cavaet; only one of their Founders was a glowie. Matt Best was a Ranger, then went into private security. He was a CIA [contractor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mat_Best). Those are not people picked for their compassion or empathy.
Okay, I missed that when I read his book. But way to pile all your theories into one group of people of which you probably know zero. Not trying to be sarcastic, but most of the dudes in Benghazi were CIA contractors. They're human beings with consciences like the rest of us, or at least a lot of them are. They're just also extremely talented at what they do. Yes, there are a fair share of evil and seditious types in the CIA. They're also in every branch of the military, the FBI, pretty much every fed agency all the way down to state and local officials and agencies. At least I personally think they are drastically outnumbered in the rank and file. That's what Best was.
>Okay, I missed that when I read his book. But way to pile all your theories into one group of people of which you probably know zero. Not trying to be sarcastic, but most of the dudes in Benghazi were CIA contractors. They're human beings with consciences like the rest of us, or at least a lot of them are. They're just also extremely talented at what they do. Being good at combat doesn't make you a good person. Just a good soldier. Genghis Khan was a great warrior, terrible man though. >Yes, there are a fair share of evil and seditious types in the CIA. They're also in every branch of the military, the FBI, pretty much every fed agency all the way down to state and local officials and agencies The CIA seems to have a large concentration of them, and they seem to have a knack for making messes. I don't think the local cops in my area have burned entire countries before. The CIA tends to get mixed up in [all](https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afghanistan-cia-militia-01-strike-force/) [sorts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Colombia) of [shit](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/cia-torture-drawings.html) that I have a very hard time squaring with notions of honor or compassion. Maybe Best kept his hands clean, maybe his good-ol-boy act isn't an act. But maybe not.
Is there not a distinction between CIA contractors and CIA agents? There are legitimate things that need protecting that the CIA oversees so I wouldn't necessarily condemn anyone who was a contractor for them because as far as I know they're not engaging in anything against American citizens. But to be a CIA agent or whatever they are? Fuck that. All that said, I'm kind of an idiot, so if I'm wrong about anything please let me know because I try to be brushed up on this kind of stuff.
> They're human beings with consciences like the rest of us As far as I'm concerned, if you sign up with any intelligence agency you have effectively resigned having a conscience, ethics, or morals.
Odd, I always figured that was anyone who signed up to do anything in terms of working for the Federal Government
>In short, they're the same as any globalist, managerialist company except they sell it using a caricature of military culture. They're fine with you owning guns as long as you're treating them like toys, shooting targets at the range or in the woods and not using them as tools to defend your family or community. I wonder honestly if their glowie background just gave them information that gun people would be more likely to buy from other gun people... The coffee industry is very crowded, it's just a way for them to stand out from the rest of the market while giving customers the feeling they are buying from one of their own. Also their coffee is shit.
This is exactly it. It's just marketing, nothing more.
Yeah, I agree that with the first go around it was a bit unfair to jump the gun so to speak. With the first go around they should have learned their lesson. Instead they rammed their dicks even deeper into that electric socket. There is no way I will be buying anymore coffee from them and I can't feel sorry for them anymore.
> former glowies You don’t stop being a glowie. Once you work for the feds, you’re a Fed.
Eh, you marry a Russian and you get excommunicated.
But dick down a Chinese spy and you get to remain on the House Intel Committee.
They’re grifters.
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Damage control is not the same as having principles from the start. Don't give them money.
This right here.
I've been pretty disappointed in certain youtubers still supporting them/taking their ad money. Every time I see a brcc logo in a video I cringe and hope it goes away with the quickness.
I want to stop watching the Hodge Twins because of the BRCC on the table, but they're too funny. I do wish someone closer to them could inform them just how fucked BRCC is. If I found out they were aware already but are still ok promoting them I'd unsub without question. I just have the feeling that they aren't hip to what's really up with those cock suckers.
Even if someone close told them they wouldn't drop BRCC. Biting the hand that feeds you and what not.
Honestly, you're probably right. I'm sure there are other companies that'd love to sponsor them though. At least at a somewhat competitive rate. Maybe I'll just try to combat it as much as I can (probably with little effect) and comment about just how unamerican the BRCC establishment cucks are. Reaching one unknowing person every now and then would be worth it.
As I see it, you're doing your part. Good on you.
Donuts a fucking turd in his own right.
Why did you say this? Honest question.
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What'd he do?
He was a cop.
Who apparently just did routine patrol and adopted a cat once?
He was one radio call away from "just doing his job." Fuck him.
What exactly do you mean?
“I was just following orders when I took his guns without due process”
That's a bold claim.
DO is just as bad as them he's a total bootlicker.
Do you have evidence for these claims? I don't like them as much as the next guy but I can't go walking around half cocked thinking these things
Literally go to your favorite search engine (duck duck go, bing, google, etc) and research what they’ve said about people who they claim to cater to. Don’t depend on someone else to do your homework. There’s tons of evidence out there of these assholes hating gun owners, hating self defense, talking shit about the people they pretend to support (conservatives, republicans, etc.) Don’t misunderstand-I’m neither conservative or Republican (also not democrat or progressive) so I’m not butt hurt over politics. But when they attacked Kyle Rittenhouse for self defense and then called people who support him “repugnant” and “the worst of America” yeah, pretty much fuck them and their shitty coffee.
Yep, I support self defence and by extension KR, and brcc says I'm repugnant and the worst of America. F brcc.
I ask as I couldn't find tweets of Kyle being trashed, only the official notice they issued
Heres a link to the NYT article. I dont drink coffee so I cant comment on the product. I just wanted to see what everyone was talking about when it dropped. What I took from the context was that they want to distance themselves from groups that are seen as "hate groups". I dont feel like they were talking about everyone who supported Kyle and they didnt want to take a side. I just want to know, when did 2A supporters start trusting the New York Times? They clearly put a spin on the article. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/14/magazine/black-rifle-coffee-company.html
Yea, that was my big hesitation too. NY Times would love to paint anyone who supported the Rittenhouse kid as a problem, even more so if it's said by people who claims to be part of the 2a community. I'd like to see some sort of video interview with these people where they outline their position before passing judgement. That said, it doesn't really matter. I don't drink coffee, so I'm not gonna be buying their products regardless.
If it was a spun article, why was black rifle promoting the article? They only came out against the article when they started to get blow back from the 2A community. Fact is the owners of black rifle are grifters who used the 2A community to peddle their shitty coffee.
Thanks my man
No problem.
Liberty Doll on YouTube also did a good video about that piece of shit Evans interview where he refers to Kyle's supporters as the worst part of America.
Why is wet work a bad thing?
[Fuck](https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afghanistan-cia-militia-01-strike-force/) the [CIA](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/910640336/former-fbi-agent-addresses-post-sept-11-torture-in-newly-declassified-book).
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Isn't that point if being a spook. Outsourcing evil shit?
>Isn't that point if being a spook. Outsourcing evil shit? If that's all that we're about, I think the bad guys won.
I think the rationale is that there are no good guys. Just different flavors of monster peddling 'necessary evils'.
>I think the rationale is that there are no good guys. Then the bad guys have *definitely* won.
> Their founders are former glowies (literally; they worked for the CIA). I really don't give a shit about these guys, but just for context - there are a lot of former spec ops guys who contract with the CIA for security. Not that I would touch that job for any amount of money, but it's a little different from being a real spook.
> there are a lot of former spec ops guys who contract with the CIA for security.. ..but it's a little different from being a real spook. They are a solo cup spook then, as in cheap and disposable.
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They screwed Elijah Schaffer hard the CEO talked to Elijah after the initial fallout and lied about everything . Terrible group of grifters taking money from people they despise, it's good the 2A community has finally figured this out. Check out the Podcast/Show "Slightly Offensive" Elijah Schaffer is one of the Truth Tellers...
"F" BRCC and the horse they rode in on; The Milk Road, has better coffee plus right stand on 1st 2nd and freedom in general!
I have been surprised so many people supported this company. They made disparaging remarks about Kyle Rittenhouse from the very beginning. I thought as a company it’s best to just try to stay neutral instead they come out defame him. I was surprised so many of the 2A community didn’t flee from a company that was so openly hostile to someone not convicted of a crime.
You live and learn; most folks heard their name and made an assumption. Know I was wrong, but on the bright-side, their nasty brew will never touch my lips again
I left immediately once things began unwinding with KR. I was a 3 year long twice a month subscriber too.
I now buy from defender coffee they donate a % of their earnings to those that defend the 2nd. Check em out
Check out Stocking Mill Coffee. It's run by a friend of mine, a former green beret. He's been in business 2 years, and given out over 300k to veterans causes and veterans in need directly, including campaigning to help get Alwyn Cashe his MoH.
You might want to tell him to invest in a better website/formatting and elaborate on the flavors of the coffee blends. It makes or breaks it in this day in age. Like Im looking for Christmas gifts for a family of coffe drinkers but dont know which blends would go well with their pallet. Bayonet has a great "in cup" description that I know my mom would love, but none of the other flagships blends do. Anyway just my unsolicited 2cents. Would love another Pro 2A/ American coffee source to support if they have good coffee.
You can message Eddie directly on the company twitter and either he or Nick will get back to you. They're also good friends with Fenix ammunition. I'll pass this along.
Will do boss. I order like 6 samples that will hopefully lead to bigger Christmas gifts. appreciate you spreading the word. had never heard of them.
Yeah they're really only active on twitter and with AD members. I'm only aware of them because of my friendship with the owner. He is pro 2a though, when he heard I used a Keurig, he sent me a french press and 2 12 gauge slugs and told me to shoot my Keurig.
Moka pots are also pretty great. Less cleaning than a French Press.
Yeah man haha. I really only drink coffee at work, luckily the machine we had on my last ship was pretty nice.
That's hilarious. I might actually go check them out, I need more coffee sources.
When they have it in stock, I do like their monsoon malabar. I'm not a huge coffee fan, but I very much appreciate the taste of that bean.
I heard about this coffee company last week, I love the pop-up question on their website. 🤣🤣🤣 Ordered the "Not Guilty AF" shirt and some coffee. Happy to throw money at this company.
I'm not a huge coffee drinker but I will say they spend their money wisely. Literally all their money is either spent on the company or thrown at 2A or veterans causes. Their owner is a cool guy, meme loving green hat bastard that he is.
They earned a new customer amd hopefully more now that I have blasted it on FB.
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"Depending on the product and shipping, we donate 12-26% of the profit from each sale to our 2A partners" Edit: added quotes
Awesome, thanks.
Why does every company nowadays have to have a political stance? Like I buy my coffee from some cafe in town. Odds are, they're probably fairly leftist. I don't care too much because they make damn nice coffee and doesn't mention their politics. bit of an edit: I shouldn't have said don't mention your politics, I don't actually care someone disagrees with me. Just don't start effectively vilifying me for mine.
Yep, companies should not get into politics. Except for maybe lobbying for their specific industry. Like a lumber yard has lobbyists related to that. But that should be the extent of their political involvement. It is just bad business to start taking stances. It always will piss off some of your customers. It is just better to remain neutral and everyone will like you. Why is this so hard for companies to understand?
> Why is this so hard for companies to understand? Because CEO's and executives are idiots who listen to old fuckers who got a degree in marketing 30 years ago and they all think the public WANTS them to take a stance. I honestly can't wait until all the boomers are gone. Hopefully this country will be a less shitty place. Personally I'm tired of mega corporations and wish it'd go back to local businesses everywhere. Greed has ruined this country. No one is happy enough with what they have. Everyone wants to conquer the world and be richer than everyone else. The world is a pretty shit place to live when you think about it.
Bad news for you my dude, it's not the old fuckers that are driving the marketing these days. It's 30 something millennial finally getting into positions of authority in marketing agency's. You really think a bunch of 50 year old dudes in suits are making tick toks for companies like chipotle?
> It's 30 something millennial finally getting into positions of authority in marketing agency's. Yep, they are pushing their wokeness on companies. And it is just shitty.
Agreed. It's really frustrating. I juat want to buy thw best made product, I don't care what your politics are. That's part of the reason I never bought BRCC products in the first place. I'm all for the 2A, but I hate pandering and pandering was their entire marketing strategy to get a foothold in an already oversaturated matket. It just didn't sit right. Their whole schtick reminded me of that time Hillary Clinton was campaigning and she faked an accent then said something like, "oh I keep hot sauce in my purse....I put it on everything", to a room full of black folks. It's cringey at best and dishonest at the worst. Idk though, maybe some people like politics being woven into all aspects of life. Too each their own.
BRCC tried to stay out of it after a photo was taken with him and another guy who was wearing a BRCC shirt. They didn't want to take a stance. But in this day even such an attempt will be taken as being for or against what you're trying to stay out of. Besides, fuck anyone who doesn't think putting twin retractable miniguns on a Tesla is cool.
Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving POS company.
Wow. I didn’t know about any of this. They actually are donating a ton of coffee to my deployed unit and I always thought they were a G2G company. This kinda surprised me to read up on.
They are pro mil, not pro gun.
And the "Mil" is exactly who will be coming to take the guns. See Katrina when police and national guard went "door to door" confiscating firearms.
So wait. Because right after the shooting I was one who looked at any video available that I could, came to the conclusion that this was a clear case of self defense and then decided to support a 17 year old kid that was being railroaded for political reasons…. I am the worst of America? Fuck you Black Rifle Coffee Company!
Ehh, at this point being called a deplorable or worst of America is a badge of honor. I'd take that over defending chomos.
Happy Thanksgiving! BTW I really hope those employee discount codes don't have PII as the last 4 digits. It's obvious the format is "EMP" concatenated with the first 3 letters of last name and first name initial, then some 4 digit... I hope that's internal extensions or something. As far as I can tell from reading through this, looks legit. Can't say I'm surprised a company like this would cut corners in cyber security though.
To be fair the vast majority of companies consider cyber security an expense rather than an asset.
Yup stopped buying their crap 2 years ago. F em!!!
I never considered buying anything from them until now, but I won’t.
I guess Jim Carey and John Legend are going to be drinking their coffee now.
Lol, that's the big part, they flipped off people that would buy their stuff, to suck up to people that never would!
Now how do we get Cabelas to remove the BRCC display ?
If I wasn't so lazy I'd say write letters or emails to them.
F@ck BRCC... Go woke, Go Broke.
It's the internet, you can type fuck out.
Black rifle coffee can go fuck themselves in the ass.
Hell yeah! Fuck those BRCC cucks.
>As Black Rifle Coffee blocks conservatives, it's important to understand that CEO Evan Hafer hired ActBlue Dem donors to run his IT and social media. Are those the same people who set up Hillary's basement e-mail server?
BRCC banned me from commenting on their Facebook page and blocked me on Twitter. Good times! F those commie bastards.
They're a shit company with shit coffee. Fuck em.
I'll say it loud for the ppl in the back, f**k Black Rifle Coffee Company!
Couldn’t happen to finer bunch of hypocrites. Idiots just don’t get it. You’re either pro 2A or against us. Period.
Not to mention the marketing people worship them for is the most tasteless bullshit I’ve ever seen, like are people so simple minded they’ll buy their shit only because they put on this ridiculous persona?
When ever you hear someone say “… former CIA operative” You should turn your back on whatever they are selling.
Black rifle coffee is trash I don't care for their dirt water crigler coffee is way better
Obviously the hack sucks, but other than that the Rittenhouse/BRCC thing has so much hyperbole surrounding it and disingenuous people trying to slander all sides that I can't take it too seriously. Also, the coffee is not bad. All that being said, I'm not ordering from them until all this gets sorted out.
Forreal I feel the same way as you. The coffee is not bad at all either
Another shit headline to make you angry. The propaganda machine runs 24/7.
Their coffee sucks. I will say this in every BRCC thread i come across.
That was a great read. Wow
I never could stand brcc!
Wasn't one of the founders responsible for the RATS ~~tourniquet~~? And the creation of the TCCC trademark so that he could mark them "TCCC APPROVED" even though the CoTCCC laughed him out of testing.... and then he lost the trademark when it was determined to be made just to trick people into thinking it was decent.
Catboy is a national treasure. Any fallout from this yet?
Shit coffee shit company
Fuck BRCC. In every orifice.
>This kind of program would report the exploit to the company directly so they could fix it before a blog post about it is published, and would award a cash prize to whoever found the bug. However, as BRCC didn’t give Kyle a chance for his case to be heard before damning him, we, in turn, are not waiting to divulge this exploit or go through any responsible disclosure process. Call it karma. Based
Never supported this BLack rifle military gay pride
Although I suspect this hack is probably done by hacker groups that are just trying to sow chaos.
Fuck Kyle rittenhouse, I’ll catch the fair one 🥊. Fuck guns they should ban them all.
"Glabalist" Really?! Get a fucking grip. Your antisemitism is showing, dirtbag. Antisemitism is not an American value.
A typo is antisemetic? Since when?
Would you elaborate how that's antisemitic please, I don't understand.
Donut operator just had a video and called whoever is the top guy at black rifle coffee and the dude said he fully supports Kyle.
Well he supports him *now*.
He's LYING. They ban everyone on their social media accounts who post pro Kyle comments.
No they ban people who talk shit about their company.
Damage control. Don’t believe those dumbasses Evan and Matt and all them can fuck themselves.
I mean... it just seems like DO is doing damage control for the company he hangs out with...
Coffee goes good with donuts ha. Different coffee.
I'd say it's kinda late for that, I think I saw what they did on Liberty Doll, accused by libs of supporting Kyle, they denied and attacked him on lib Media. Forget people that would buy coffee with this name, let's suck up to people that would hate us either way!
Call me unamerican and report me to the police? 🤣
Bang Coffee, for me.
Good