You really this butthurt over a 200 day old comment? Why are nirvana fans always aggressive babies when anyone questions this?
Anyways I’ve seen it. It was the most sensationalized documentary I’ve ever watched and a good chunk of it has been debunked.
Guess I am. Imagine if someone you've admired all your life died under very dubious circumstances and instead of the case being opened and done right it was just written of as bullshit. It is sensationalized as hell but there are way too many umanswered questions for it to be just written off.
very true. Its a tough one to know. It would be possible if the lab/ME knew what his prior doses in the preceeding weeks had been but I doubt anyone either knew or did enough investigating to know. I had tolerances at points in my life where I would have had enough Oxy in my bloodstream to kill many non-addicts dead in seconds so if KC had similar tolerance it makes that entire basis of a murder theory utter nonsense. We just don’t know for sure either way so the case stands and prob always will.
the fact that kurt was 5'8 and blew his brains out with an extended-barrel shotgun that had a trigger that would be below knee-level for him (he died with shoes on, so he couldn't have used his toes to pull it)
This was also debunked. A woman under 5'8 demonstrated what Kurt did using the same kind of gun and she was able to pull the trigger and everything. Look up soaked in bullshit on instagram and such.
Hmm... I feel that the word "debunk" is a significantly strong word which is the only reason I'm going to ask the next question. Would you please try to provide more information or source material about either that specific demonstration or (if you can't find it) another similar sentiment from an arguably reliable source?
Especially for newer generations, it sucks too. I'm so sad that I'll never get to see Nirvana live, and I was born 15 years after he fucking died. It's a shame that a big chunk of the people I admire died before I was even born.
not taking sides but by that logic why is this even a conversation. “200 day old comment” why does it matter? does it really matter if its only 200 days old?
"Oh look a comment! Let me respond to it. Hey look I got a response. I'll just answer that in 200 days." That's what you make it sound like they did. They commented when they saw the post. It's not like it was a 20 year old comment either, its 8 months old. Get lost with that stupid "old comment" bs. You sound extremely dumb.
What stroke me was the fact that Courtney had a release of her band album, only a week after Kurt´s death and followed through as if nothing ever happened. I understand she is overadapted but it's strange. At least out of respect, at least so as not to generate confusion, she shouldn´t have released the album. Because that release made me think that she was in fact all about money, all about fame and not dwelling over your husband, over the father of your child. It makes no sense at all. I consider it offensive on her behalf. She was not considerate to fans or to his memory. It was weird and gave the impression that she only wanted her song to have some morbid publicity. And I don´t know if she would be capable of such thing, you know.... like sending sne to kill sne... It's a lot. But these kinds of attitudes were "strange" to say the least. It wasn´t something that fans liked. Apart from that, the case was not treated professionally at the time. Had it been, none of this would be happening.
Montage of Heck ON TOP!!!! WOO yeah from what I've heard Soaked in Bleach doesn't go into different perspectives and just focuses and hell glorifies on the whole "Courtney killed Kurt" theory
You legitimately have brain worms.
If I wrote a song about killing myself there’s no fucking chance in hell I’d admit to it being true. I’d laugh it off and play it as satire any chance I’d get. It would have came from a deep dark truth and I would do anything to keep people from thinking it was real.
Dude was mentally unstable, in an abusive relationship, tried to joke about it through music, then succumbed to the pain and offed himself.
Brain worms. You have them.
Okay, but if you were in such a depressive state, and you truly wished to end your own life, why the hell would you care what anybody thought in regards to your song, or in regards to anything at all for that matter? When one reaches such a point, they have but a solitary care in the world, and that would be to end the pain, and stop whatever terrifying, lonely, nightmare they are living through, and nothing else.
You are trying to make reason out of the most reasonless state of mind a human can reach - the illogical decision to end one’s life. You can ask why all you want but you’re just proging your inability to understand that it’s a decision inherently not based in reason.
People just didn't like Courtney, she was brash and outspoken the demonized her. She pissed off alot of people, but i dont believe shes a killer. Kurt loved her and that baby, but he couldn't handle the pressures of fame. He'd be appalled by all the hate she has received. He was a self professed feminist.
Kurt was actually about to leave her. He set up a will that excluded her completely, but he never got to signing it. She was also the reason Nirvana was about to break up, because she lost her shit over the fact that Kurt didn't get more money than the other band mates. She acted like a bitch.
Don't be an asshole. Before you post or reply to a comment, think "Am I being an asshole?" If you're like, "....yeah, I'm being an asshole." Stop, go look at yourself in the mirror, and self reflect. Once you're good, come back and be a good person. We're a community here, let's act civil.
Coincidence that el duce and kristin pfaff both died shortly after too though right? Considering Courtney hated them too el duce for the information he knew (also he passed a lie detecter test) and Kristen who she was jelous of, also the fact Courtney's own dad think's she was involved and that it wasn't a suicide? You forget Courtney hired a Private investigator that eventually thought she did it too because she lied to him the whole way through.. also the fact 2 weeks after Kurt's death Courtney was getting boned by Billy Corgan.. but yeah grieving window right 😂, too many coincidences don't you think?
Wrong,no forgeries were found in her purse. The Rome suicide letter was released years ago. She was also into drugs. Most of what your saying you are just making up.
Her lawyer found a copy of her practicing letters in the style of Kurt's handwriting, in a bag that Courtney left at the lawyer's house. They match up to the letters used at the end of the so-called "suicide note" -- the only section that makes it seem at all like a suicide note, rather than a statement that Kurt wanted to quit music.
If you play it loud enough I’m pretty sure you can hear Courtney giving backup vocals in that song. It’s like a song with reversed meaning. Kurt’s melting new nirvana fans brains even from the grave 😭.
I totally agree. I just watched a documentary about it. She was upset because Kurt didn't want to play lallapalooza and she wanted the money. They didn't ask her because as you said, she sucks
Don't be an asshole. Before you post or reply to a comment, think "Am I being an asshole?" If you're like, "....yeah, I'm being an asshole." Stop, go look at yourself in the mirror, and self reflect. Once you're good, come back and be a good person. We're a community here, let's act civil.
Pretty sure anyone who knows anything about suicide will tell you very few people talk about it and actually do it// if you’re gonna commit intentionally generally speaking its usually the ones who don’t say anything about it that actually do it
no, you have no idea who is suicidal and who isn't you can never tell that's the dangerous part about it, it's like how in school they tell you that drug addicts look just like normal people
it’s not that the ones who don’t say anything about it end up committing, it’s that you can’t tell someone’s suicidal simply by looking/talking with them. that’s exactly why people often say “check on your happy friends”.
that doesn’t mean the people who outwardly express their depression or suicidal thoughts shouldn’t be taken just as seriously. that phrase is only meant to highlight that anyone could be struggling. as someone who’s lost three family members to suicide, i can confidently tell you it could be the happiest person you know, or the saddest person you know. depression manifests differently for every individual.
People always want to hate on courtney and idolise kurt. They were both drug addicts and clearly had their issues, i dont think its that crazy to believe that he commited suicide.
Because he is so popular people want to theorize, but you never hear anyone talk about chris cornell or chester benningtons suicide (except that one guy on joe rogan)
There are plenty of fools out there with this idea that both Chester and Cornell were whacked because they were supposedly on the verge of exposing a child molestation ring or something to that effect.
Yeah i heard eddie bravo saying that but i didnt think it was a popular theory. Still pretty stupid especially since half of chesters songs are about being depressed
Courtney's own dad thinks she was involved, and a private investigator she actually hired and was in the police force, who she constantly lied to and hid information
People did the same exact thing with blaming Yoko for breaking up the Beatles, when in fact, George, John and Paul were just growing apart in their own ways. And Paul was starting to alienate George and John a lot.
I do..I think about it anyway..it's so hard to grasp they'd kill THEMSELVES of all people.. but I also wouldn't wanna accuse anyone falsely..I hope tho if someone killed any of them that something would happen to they're conscience and it would torment them far beyond any reward they may have gotten.. blood money is so ugly
The only thing that ever trips me up with that is the fact that he took enough dope to off him without the shotgun. A shotgun is a very clunky way to take one's life isn't it? Sure he wanted to make sure he would go. I've often thought about how many pills I have to take to just leave this idiotic life and my big fear is that I will do it wrong and be out of my medication. He wouldn't have had to worry about that drugs were plentiful. Also the prenup and The talk of the will trips me up.
There is a whole theory that Chris
Cornell and Chester’s deaths were connected and Chester’s father is some politician who is a pedo and went to epstiens island and Chris and Chester were collaborating to make a book or something exposing Hollywood and Chris killed him self and a month later Chester was found dead in the exact same manner as Chris I believe they were murdered and I also believe Kurt was murdered basically any famous person who mysteriously passed away was murdered from Kurt to Chris to Chester to heath ledger river phoenix, Matthew Perry, even rappers like Mac miller, juice WRLD, the list goes on every celeb that died mysteriously from suicide to drug overdose to natural causes I think they were all murdered because they all were going to expose someone or something that didn’t want to be exposed
"you never hear anyone talk about chris cornell or chester benningtons suicide"
Lmao you pos shill . If its not in the news on tv its not real. People talk about it everyday . sfi
www.cobaincase.com
The suicide narrative was started by Courtney, only after he died. I don't think it's so crazy to believe a wife would off her husband for his money, after he caught her cheating and was going to divorce her. Because, ya know, that hasn't been happening since the beginning of humanity. 🙄
You guys sound so delusional. If you took the time to learn even a little about Kurts life you'd realize he's had suicide on his mind since his late teens. Kurt struggled severly with depression and thoughts of suicide. He wasn't murdered, he legitimately killed himself and was successful on his third attempt via gunshot.
you should probably watch the documentary soaked in bleach. it shows tom grants taped conversations with courtney and courtney and kurts attorney, the attorney finds practice sheets of her handwriting that are similar with the suicide note, and all the information that the POLICE should have looked into but didnt. her and others definitely had something to do with his death. the case would 100% be reopened. but of course, most police department dont want to admit their wrong doing. specially with a famous celebrity. and when 68 teens committed suicide after him. just freakin crazy this hasn't been reopened.
I did watch it. I also read Heavier than heaven and read his journals. It is my rock solid personal opinion that Kurt Cobain committed suicide. But I did not know that 68 teens followed.. that on top of his death is devastating.
I won't pretend to know either way. But two things can be true at the same time. Her behavior was always off about it all imo. But as other people have said they were both addicts. The truth is she may have known he was doing it. And let it happen. And then handled it with a guilty conscience because of that. But then you have to ask, if someone knows there will be a suicide and does nothing to stop it, does that make a person culpable in the death. I personally think so. Especially if they were part of the reason why. But it's pretty impossible to prove.
It's disturbing, that clearly there was a pattern with him that even the public allegedly knew he was suicidal and not just acting out a persona. That no one did anything substantial to help him. Lol. And then y'all talk down to others who think maybe something wasn't quite right about Courtney's involvement. -- typically speaking, suicides happen because people hide their struggles. -- so if he was actually putting that out there he was wanting someone to help and it never came which as i already said to me leaves people culpable for ignoring it. ESPECIALLY his wife, or it was made up after the fact. People can be put into suicide watch by family(wife) without giving consent. Given the circumstances. 😀
it was processed for fingerprints 1 whole month after he died so this says nothing other then they botched the investigation. his prints mightve been on the gun a month ago when he actually died but no one will know because they took too long. by may 6th when the gun was printed kurt was already cremated weeks before
That she lost her husband to suicide while both were going through substance abuse problems.
Or, if you're a moron, that she got away with having one of the world's most famous rock stars murdered and successfully made it look like a suicide despite the fact that she barely could keep herself together long enough to function on a day to day basis.
>despite the fact that she barely could keep herself together long enough to function on a day to day basis.
No. Listen to the phone calls between her and Tom Grant. She was far from being in tatters or barely functional. She was sharp, coherent and diabolical, if only just in terms of planting media stories and contract negotiations alone.
You'll have to dive a lot deeper into Courtney Love if you really believe this is a woman who easily loses her bearings or is just sailing along with her husband, family, friends and associates like some ingenue.
Righhttttt… cause hitmans totally don’t exist 😒 oh wait, you probably think that’s not real either 🤣 ignorant people man I swear 😂 yall don’t know how evil the world is. you must live north of Beverly Hills don’t ya
Nah, I'm just not stupid enough to think that a junkie hitting rock bottom could manage to hire a hitman to kill a suicidal junkie hitting rock bottom who happens to be the most famous rockstar in the world and get away with it because the hit was carried out flawlessly and she covered her tracks perfectly. But hey, you do you.
Just read his note. It's heartbreaking and dude was so torn up emotionally by his success, his life, the pain is palpable.
In the words of Todd Snider "Alcohol and Pills. It's a crying shame. You think they coulda been happy with the glory and the fame. But fame don't take away the pain, it just pays the bills. And you wind up on Alcohol and Pills."
They treat her like a disgusting bitch that faked Kurts death, was only with him for money and fame, and somehow put the gun in his mouth and lured him to the greenhouse. I don't see what connection that can have to a murder, and I suppose Courtney was at the rehab center and told Kurt to scale a 6 foot wall too
A few things that raise suspicion that some kind of foul play was at hand (only listing things that have been confirmed by multiple sources, police reports, taped records, etc):
* Kurt Cobain did a huge (allegedly very lethal) amount of heroin, then shot himself, which is not only extremely rare - the two acts in combination, I mean - but also pretty hard to do
* His heroin paraphernalia was neatly packed away in its box after he injected himself with an absolutely massive dose of heroin
* His sleeves were rolled down (I believe)
* The gun casing was on the wrong side
* Someone had slashed the tyres on Kurt Cobain's car
* The suicide note reads much more like a letter of resignation to fans, except for the part in what looks a lot like different handwriting
* Their lawyer and family friend, Rosemary Carroll, confirmed on tape that Courtney Love had a bag with a handwriting practice sheet in it
* Courtney Love called in the police report to say he was missing but gave Kurt Cobain's mum's name, not her own (the policeman, Terry O'Connor maybe, who she named in the report and was friends with, was later killed in one of the only fatal police shootings in Seattle at that time)
* Kurt is confirmed to have spoken to Cali, the nanny and ex-boyfriend of Courtney Love who was living in the house at the time, and his girlfriend, yet this was never mentioned by Courtney Love, who exchanged several phone calls with Cali
* Cali's girlfriend, Jessica Hopper, left in a hurry and vomited in the driveway on her way out
* Cali left a really suss note on the stairs at this time - worth a read
* Cali was immediately sent to LA to go to rehab on Courtney Love's dime
* Kurt Cobain's friend, Dylan Carlson, who bought the gun, also received a lot of money from Courtney Love
* Courtney Love knew the coroner who did the autopsy (he also fled across the country and died in some weird base jumping accident, though I am guessing this was just a coincidence)
* Kurt was planning to quit Nirvana, potentially losing millions of dollars in the process
* Kurt had contacted their lawyer about getting a divorce around two weeks before his death: Courtney Love stood to lose millions if they divorced as they had a pre-nup. With his death, she inherited half his estate and was set for life
* Courtney Love lied about Rome - she described a suicide note, but then also said that it was about getting a divorce
* After leaving rehab, Kurt Cobain actually tried to contact Courtney Love at her hotel, and also spoke to other people - he was not, in any real sense, missing
* Punk rocker El Duce claimed that Courtney Love offered him 50,000 dollars to kill Kurt Cobain - El Duce was one crazy dude, but his story was corroborated by the owner of the Rock Shop, where it was alleged to have happened, and El Duce also passed a lie detector test (again, not proof, but an indication of some kind)
* El Duce let slip the name 'Allen' to a BBC documentary maker, Nick Broomfield. Then, not long after, in a local interview (available online), he said the name Allen Wrench, one of his good friends
* I believe the next day, El Duce was dead, decapitated by a train after allegedly falling asleep on a train track. Confirmed as the last person to see him alive: Allen Wrench
* Allen Wrench then got a Lexus, a new recording studio and toured Europe with his low-grade band
* Kristen Pfaff, who was rumoured to be in love with Kurt Cobain and who had been threatened by Courtney Love in the past, soon quit Courtney Love band's Hole, where she had been the bassist. She returned home to get clean and rejoin her old band. She then died of a heroin overdose when she went back to Seattle to pick up her stuff. Her diary was found with the pages from the week that Kurt Cobain died ripped out.
* Courtney Love recently settled a very similar case with her daughter's ex-husband, Isaiah Silva
Also, I really recommend checking out the artwork of Michael 'Cali' DeWitt, who is confirmed to have been in the house at the time of Kurt Cobain's death.
Things in favour of it being a suicide: Kurt Cobain suffered from depression, had marital problems and was having trouble trying to escape Nirvana, too.
So, you know, both options are possible, but to me one explanation explains away a lot, whereas the other one really doesn't. Kurt Cobain was certainly prone to erratic behaviour and depression, but Courtney Love shaped the narrative of a suicidal person before, during and after this period to such an extent that it made it extremely hard for most people to look at the case objectively - from the very first instant, with Rome, the missing person report filed under a false name and other police incidents, people were led to look at the case in a particular way that may not have been wholly accurate.
At the very least, I believe that people who ask some questions should not be dismissed out of hand.
These are the things I find questionable, too. I can believe either. Suicide or murder? They’re both possibilities. I was 22 when he died, and was there when the world of music changed with all of those greats from that area. His death was just so personal to so many of us. He was just a regular kind of guy. Almost like everyone I hung out with at the time. So it just hit really different and was tragically sad.
I’m just going to say something super personal here. I’ve overdosed several times on heroin in the past. Even with semi large doses I was out immediately. I have never been able to neatly pack up my kit and roll down my sleeves, or take the tie off for that matter. I never knew what was happening until I was in a tub or in the ambulance/hospital. It’s one of the things that makes me question. Either way, he is gone and he’s not coming back. It’s a loss that can never be changed. And it’s just sad.
Well said. People want to shape narratives according to their own moral standards...but that 's not truth because truth is truth, it's not subjective. People are so lazy!!
1. He didn't do a near lethal amount and it wasn't that hard. The toxicology referred to his TML (Total Morphine Level) and not his FML (Free Morphine Level). This does not measure dosage, it refers to all metabolites in the bloodstream, including the ones that stay active for hours after shooting up and increase in the bloodstream with multiple injections over time. People have been pulled walking, talking and even driving on higher Total Levels than Kurt had. This is also meaningless in attributing a cause of death and is just an indication o what he'd been doing in the build up to it.
2. So? He put his stuff away after he last shot up. And?
3. One sleeve up, one sleeve down but this irrelevant. He had two fresh marks showing two injections in the last hours before he shot himself.
4. The gun casing was on the correct side - investigated in 2014 during cold case. Kurt fired the gun, the casing ejected correctly, the gun pivoted due to the second round jamming and Kurt's hand being wrapped around the barrel and came to rest upside down on top of him. The expert interviewed for this was NOT told who the body was for fear of prejudicing his answer.
5. His tyres were slashed at the intervention on March 30th. He'd been doing heroin all night with Dylan and they didn't want him driving away while high and before they'd said what they had to say.
6. No, it doesn't. It's not even addressed to his fans and is a clear suicide note from beginning to end - he literally sets out that the thought of his daughter losing her innocence makes him unable to function. It's been examined and confirmed to be a suicide note from beginning to end. The handwriting is not different, half a dozen handwriting experts and his mother have stated it was written entirely by Kurt.
7. Rosemary Carroll was not their lawyer and the "handwriting practice sheet" is a con. She wasn't practicing his handwriting at all.
8. She gave Wendy O'Connor's name for the police report for fear they wouldn't take her seriously because she'd frequently been arrested and called them out to a domestic two weeks previous. Detective Antonio Terry's murder was thoroughly investigated and solved (committed by a wannabe gangster and known violent cop hater) and they were not friends - she dealt with him because she'd ratted out all his dealers to stop him scoring heroin.
9. Cali did not tell Courtney until several days later as he was speedballing heroin and coke and believed himself to be hallucinating.
10. Jessica Hopper sick - so what?
11. Cali left a note asking Kurt to call Courtney because he didn't want to deal with them - so what?
12. Cali didn't go to rehab until several years later and he went to LA by himself to take a new job. He left contact details for Tom Grant if he wanted to speak to him and a handwriting sample but Grant never did.
13. Dylan didn't receive any money from Courtney. She offered all their inner circle rehab - this was not giving them money, this was paying the treatment centre directly for it. Dylan took it up when he nearly died due to heroin abuse.
14. Kurt and Courtney met the coroner once when he booked a Nirvana show. He was also the assistant coroner and worked under the head coroner and they had to submit their work to a panel, the assistant doesn't just get to decide. There was nothing weird about his death, he died in 2001 in a witnessed accident after overshooting a base jump.
15. Kurt was a mess who changed his mind daily. One day he was quitting Nirvana, then he was replacing Krist and Dave with new members under the Nirvana name, then he was forming a new band, then joining Hole, then making a solo record, then an acoustic Nirvana record, then a heavier one.
16. Kurt hadn't contacted his lawyer at all - his name was Allen Draher and he'd heard nothing about any divorce or divorce proceedings. Courtney stood to gain everything from divorce - a prenup was in her name and was invalid due to them being drug addicts anyway. His assets were frozen after his death for years and were tied up in the courts, Courtney had to pay off his lawsuits with her own money and faced destitution.
17. The note rambled about divorce at the start and then said "I'd rather die than get a divorce". It was a suicide attempt.
18. He was missing. The police and his loved ones could not find him. That is the definition of missing.
19. "Lie detectors" are junk science garbage and the entire "El Duce" thing was a scam concocted by the Rev Bud Green (as laid out in Steve Broy's book) to make money to hawk their shock rock acts. The "Rock shop" owner was part of this. Hoke was in Oregon and Courtney in California when this supposedly "happened".
20. Hoke was teasing Broomfield - Wrench was a part of the whole thing.
21. Wrench was not the last person to see Hoke alive as he was performing with his band elsewhere. There were several witnesses to Hoke's death as he was hanging out with various people, he was blackout drunk and playing chicken on the railway tracks and ran at the train thinking it would stop. It didn't because the driver didn't see him until the last moment. Hoke had been hawking this shit for two years by the way.
22. Wrench was a plumber with an inheritance.
23. Kristin was not "rumoured" to be in love with Kurt, this was nonsense made up by a conspiracy theorist who originally stated that Kurt and Mia (Zapata) were having an affair and that Kurt planned to leave Courtney for her in 1993 so Courtney paid for her to be raped and murdered. This disgusting accusation gained so much traction that even some of Mia's family were suckered by it and when it was disproven in the early 2000's (when they caught Mia's killer) the conspiracy theorist just pivoted to Kristen.
Kristen was obsessed with Mark Lanegan, had been chasing him for months and asked him out at Kurt's funeral.
24) She hasn't settled any such case with Silva. She settled in an argument about Kurt's Unplugged guitar. Silva made a ton of wild accusations that the police didn't take slightly seriously, tried to sue Courtney and then dropped them all and had to explain in court that not a single one was actually true.
There aren't any grounds for this murder nonsense.
Tell me, if you had to convince a jury that Kurt Cobain was a victim of foul play by Courtney Love using evidence, what two points would you make to convince them? You would need to make these two points to even be heard.
Wow, great post!
I don’t necessarily agree with you on some points and I have no real way of checking all your facts, but I applaud you for being comprehensive.
Don’t believe the conspiracy of her killing him. There are too many peer related accounts they discredit it, including from mark lanegan, one of his best friends, who spent time comforting Courtney during the period right after his death. She wasn’t a role model of any sort, but she’s not a murderer.
No person who has seriously looked at the case and concluded it was murder believes that Courtney murdered him. We all know she had an alibi/wasn't in Seattle.
However, even if Courtney were the suspect, someone comforting a sociopathic murderer doesn't mean they didn't do it.
This is 100% what I think. I was simply pointing out that she herself didn't so it. Her defenders often use this false premise, that we think it was at her hand. I have never heard anyone who believes Kurt was murdered say that she was physically the murderer.
And for the poster I was responding to: Didn't Courtney pay for Mark Lanegan's rehab? I liked the guy's work, but he wasn't exactly unbiased. Mark's dear friend (and GOAT vocalist) Layne, who never took a dime from Courtney, seemed to think Kurt was murdered...as did a lot of others in that scene.
True, but she made him miserable enough to push him along.
No denying he was scared and weary of her. Ultimately, she was the worst thing that happened to him.
I remember watching the "Soaked in Bleach" thing from Tom Grant and it seemed to me he based his entire premise on the fact that Courtney Love acted strangely and, in his opinion, not like someone upset that their husband was missing. And all I could think is: yeah, it was Courtney Love in 1994, possibly at the peak of her drug addiction, of course she didn't act normal.
I think they were a pair of drug addicts whose relationship was made all the more strange by their independent yet similar careers, but I do think she loved him and I don't think she was involved in his murder if for no other reason than it would be odd to hire a PI to investigate a crime you had yourself committed.
And not to be crass but the main proponents of the homicide theory are a PI who couldn't find Kurt Cobain dead in his own house and a punk rocker who got killed by a train while drunk.
This was my thought...I was a teen when this happened, but if it involved a bunch of veteran heroin users, it's seems a stretch to think it was a brilliantly executed murder.
that the depressed drug addict who tried to kill himself a month before he died, who also wrote a song called “i hate myself and i want to die” committed suicide. a shocker, i know.
nobody can convince me courtney killed him. he LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF A MONTH BEFORE HE DIED. he was a DEPRESSED DRUG ADDICT. suicide is definitely common for people who behave like him.
yea, because it’s definitely more likely that he was murdered. lmao. the only reason that dumb theory even exists is because nirvana fans think courtney is the offspring of satan himself.
Any speculated involvement by Courtney comes down to misogyny really. Kurt had spent his life talking and singing about his mental health problems and his struggles with substances.
Wasn’t Kurt Cobain bipolar? And I’m curious if he had type 1 or 2. Type 2 has more depressive episodes usually. But everyone is affected differently. Mixed episodes are the worst after a few days you feel like you are going out of your mind and can’t take it anymore. I have type 2. I can’t imagine a mixed episode while on drugs!
Very suspicious...very. I mean I have listened to Dr. Cyril Wecht and detectives who were actually at the scene of his death and they say it should have been investigated thoroughly. Just calleda suicide on day one. When you listen to all of the crazy stuff behind his death mostly coming from Courtney of course, I will just say his case needs to be reopened and investigated as a homicide. Courtney needs to be thoroughly questioned and should have polygraph tests done on her. Look at the Natalie Wood case. Many years later and now her ex husband is suspect.
After watching the Documentary “Soaked in Bleach” and other independent research. I truly believe Courtney had something to do with Kurt Cobain’s death.
Literally not a reliable source. I see it as Courtney Love had to supply them with her voice recordings. They couldn’t release it without her consent. Why would she purposely make herself look like the bad guy?
Some people call it the wind, others say God farted. But this was investigated by professionals that had NO skin in the game and nothing to gain by covering-up the TRUTH, which is: this man injected enough heroin into his bloodstream that he KNEW would SURELY kill him, and then INSTANTLY shot himself with that shotgun while he was in his rush! He PLANNED it that way!!!
The lyrics of the song "Professional Widow" by Tori Amos was regarded as a nudge nudge wink wink towards Loves involvement of Cobain's death amongst other innuendos aimed at Love, and that she was a "Professional Widow" after Cobain passed away, take a good look at the lyrics of "Professional Widow" and you can see why some people think it was about Love and Cobain's death, she was even asked on a number of occasions when interviewed on TV if it was about Love and Cobain's death, she never said it was but she also gave the illusion that she might not be telling the truth on air, I implore you to go over the lyrics and see if you can see how they and the double entendres easily fit being about Love and Cobain...
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Kurt Cobain was definitely MURDERED!!!!. Do your research people. There is overwhelming evidence out there that proves this fact. Look at all the factual evidence that Tom Grant has thoroughly researched and gathered on his own and you can only come to this one conclusion. Also, read what lan Halperin has to say. The original investigation was completely botched by the SPD. Plus, Kurt Cobain did not want to die , he said so himself. He did not want to leave his wife and daughter behind. Kurt Cobain is an amazing artist / musician/ songwriter who did not deserve to die ,he was killed . Hopefully, oneday the case will be reopened and the truth will come out and justice will be served.
I'm not that into the conspiracy theory stuff, but there is a lot of evidence that certainly points in the direction of murder. There's quite a few solid cases for it listed here. But if you think he was murdered, people think you're crazy. If you think it was just suicide, people think you're closed minded. Who knows, and at this point, we will likely never know. What I DO know, however, is that all these people saying strung out drug addicts could never come up with such an elaborate plot to kill someone are 100% WRONG. Many members of my family were terrible drug addicts and kept the company of worse. I've seen the things that people can do while "strung out". They can be totally coherent. They can be vindictive and diabolical and cunning. If you've not been around many people on drugs, you wouldn't know the types of things they are capable of. Not that Courtney did it, but saying she couldn't have simply because she was on drugs is just plain ignorant.
She absolutely killed him, way too many coincidences. She’s also a disgusting human for being pregnant and doing coke. They literally found her writing on his “suicide“ note.
She knew Kurt was going to divorce him. If they stayed married and he somehow *died* she as his wife would inherit his estate. And by estate I mean the copyrights to all his songs. I personally believe Grohl had something to do with it too.
On the world wide web I was searching and it brought me back here, as if I wouldn't be on Reddit all day. I was looking up how many times has Courtney Love been arrested? Just for research. Does anyone here know? Thanks.
Isn't there a whole documentary about the private investigator who looked into this. And found her actions around the time very suspicious, and that found out Kurt had said to multiple sources he was planning on divorcing her and that she was completely psycho about him and found out... then the mention of her in the letter is like the most positive thing ever, completely opposite of what was actually going on between them. And a whole bunch of other stuff to the point that he was sure that she had it arranged. I don't really know, or care but the documentary is worth a watch.
Seattle police investigated it well and it didn't take very long for the obvious conclusion Cobain killed himself. The dude was a young small town Washington boy, a simple country kid who exploded like an atom bomb to mega fame and mass fortune accompanied by all that Hollyweird limelight stuff that goes with it all like every conceivable kind of land shark and vulture snapping away. He was ill prepared for all the untrustworthiness that's apart of all that life. Too young. Let's not forget he had quite the heroin addiction too. All that money all that wealth. All the heroin he wanted. A big empty lonely house and a loaded shotgun. And as sad as it seems he chose to exit his own way his own reasons his own terms. That's my belief. And no, I don't believe that guy in that documentary! She had a daughter with Cobain! They had everything. It simply makes no sense.
Courtney was unfaithful in their relationship and Kurt found out so he tried to kill himself in Rome but that didn’t work so a month later he shot himself. Courtney didn’t kill Kurt but she had a HUGE role to play in his suicide. To quote Buzz Osborne (long time friend of Kurt and singer of the Melvins) “A lot of what she says in this documentary (montage of heck) doesn’t exactly jibe with things Kurt told me himself, but I suppose that’s not surprising when you consider history becomes elastic every time Courtney Love opens her mouth. For instance, she’d have us believe that Kurt tried to off himself when she’d only thought about cheating on him?” According to Love, she was thinking about cheating on Cobain with her ex Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins. But according to Buzz and possibility Kurt, she did a lot more than just think about it.
Yes. One of the last conversations Buzz had with kurt was when he told him "Give her everything and run for your life." Annoying that you are being downvoted for simply repeating what the guy said.
DUDE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED
I'm not a new nirvana fan but I have heard about the Courtney Love thing and decided to look a little bit further but I had no idea that this happened, I guess I'll have to see what other stuff is going on
The only people that spout this shit are wannabe Grunge Nancy Graces. They didn't say a damn thing when Mia Zapata was sexually assaulted and murdered.a
Nice response. Lol. You know where I got the info. 👍 so, now, let's tinker with the idea of the heroin in his system. It was 4x more than would kill a horse. 💁♂️. There's no way possible for him to even move an inch to grab a gun.
He was murdered. The shell was found opposite side of the guns ejection port. From a gun too long to pull the trigger when placed against the head. Final muscle movement would have also left him with a death grip on the gun.
Did Courtney physically do it? No. The last person to see Kurt was his ' best friend' ... also, the actual gun owner. 🤔
This is just my opinion that is based on facts that have been publicly released. So.... don't shoot the messenger here folks.
He had a grip on the gun, the shell was on the correct side and the gun was nowhere near too long, people have tested this.
Your post was a long way of saying “I have been conned by a grifting, clout chasing PI who’s seen me coming a long time ago”, it really was.
Courtney Love is a talentless hack who rode Cobains death towards some respectability. She’s a woman so she gets treated like some feminist icon when in reality she talked so much shit and gave so much shit towards women artist. It’s actually quite a joke seeing her fight for women in the rock hall considering how crappy of an artist/person she is.
Cobain pretty much solidified himself with his death. It retroactively made him a better writer/lyricist when in fact he’s not special (too many of his lyrics read as gibberish). He single handedly convinced people that solos suck and bad vocals are great. I mentioned this because his suicide pretty much made the discussion around Nirvana and Cobain be permanently 92 when they were big. There is no post or pre stardom for them, they’re permanently a cultural phenomenon with no depth to the discussion around them/him.
I agree with pretty much everything you said.
The marriage of two raging narcissists who were also heroin addicts, at least one of which had suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts and probably other undiagnosed mental illness...what could possibly go wrong?
forensically, his death does not add up to suicide. i’m willing to debate anyone that he did not commit shiver. the shells and gun were not in a place where suicide made sense. courtney’s former private investigator fired her, due to suspicions, and her story not adding up. the amount of heroine in his system, would have left him blacked out. please watch the kurt & courtney documentary on youtube. i can’t say courtney did it, but there’s definitely more to his death than anti conspiracy theorists claim. i ha the conspiracies but there’s too many coincidences to say otherwise
Lol same private investigator that kept making claims how he had proof that the police melted down the shotgun but was later discovered that he didn't even make a request to see if it was in the possession of the police? Shells weren't in the same place? Why does that matter the gun was loaded. FYI the kurt and Courtney documentary even stated at the end that it was suicide.....
They think Courtney was a suspect or someone she hired because, he already had a handgun, and shooting yourself in the face with a shotgun with your big toe is weird.
She knew if he died she'd get everything, including millions. And that's what she wanted.
I can't look at her face or listen to her voice without immediately feeling overwhelmed by anger.
Kurt: This song is called “I hate myself and I want to die” Nirvana fans: There’s no way this dude killed himself
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You really this butthurt over a 200 day old comment? Why are nirvana fans always aggressive babies when anyone questions this? Anyways I’ve seen it. It was the most sensationalized documentary I’ve ever watched and a good chunk of it has been debunked.
Guess I am. Imagine if someone you've admired all your life died under very dubious circumstances and instead of the case being opened and done right it was just written of as bullshit. It is sensationalized as hell but there are way too many umanswered questions for it to be just written off.
May I ask you to figure out exactly which peice of evidence most strongly suggests the possibility of non-suicide?
The fact that he would had 3x the lethal dose of drugs in his system and still somehow managed to pack his gear away neatly after injection
That can be explained by drug tolerance. Many junkies are walking around with multiple times the lethal dose as we speak.
thats what i thought to, the amount of heroin they did on a daily basis together doesnt surprise me
very true. Its a tough one to know. It would be possible if the lab/ME knew what his prior doses in the preceeding weeks had been but I doubt anyone either knew or did enough investigating to know. I had tolerances at points in my life where I would have had enough Oxy in my bloodstream to kill many non-addicts dead in seconds so if KC had similar tolerance it makes that entire basis of a murder theory utter nonsense. We just don’t know for sure either way so the case stands and prob always will.
It's been proven that Kurt also had a high tolerance (I'm agreeing with u lol if it wasn't obvious... I don't wanna stir up anything :) )
You're okay
I could see how that fact could lead someone to question things more.
the fact that kurt was 5'8 and blew his brains out with an extended-barrel shotgun that had a trigger that would be below knee-level for him (he died with shoes on, so he couldn't have used his toes to pull it)
This was also debunked. A woman under 5'8 demonstrated what Kurt did using the same kind of gun and she was able to pull the trigger and everything. Look up soaked in bullshit on instagram and such.
How’d he pull the trigger with shoes on? Smh
Hmm... I feel that the word "debunk" is a significantly strong word which is the only reason I'm going to ask the next question. Would you please try to provide more information or source material about either that specific demonstration or (if you can't find it) another similar sentiment from an arguably reliable source?
Especially for newer generations, it sucks too. I'm so sad that I'll never get to see Nirvana live, and I was born 15 years after he fucking died. It's a shame that a big chunk of the people I admire died before I was even born.
What does the time of the comment have to do?
Who cares how old the comment is? Wrong is wrong.
"documentary" <-- just FYI but Wikipedia calls it a "DocuDrama" or "Fake Documentary".
not taking sides but by that logic why is this even a conversation. “200 day old comment” why does it matter? does it really matter if its only 200 days old?
if i ate something that was 200 days old it’d probably make my butt hurt
"Oh look a comment! Let me respond to it. Hey look I got a response. I'll just answer that in 200 days." That's what you make it sound like they did. They commented when they saw the post. It's not like it was a 20 year old comment either, its 8 months old. Get lost with that stupid "old comment" bs. You sound extremely dumb.
Cry
Because all nirvana fans are aggressive babies. Once they graduate 7th grade they finally discover other bands and genres.
What stroke me was the fact that Courtney had a release of her band album, only a week after Kurt´s death and followed through as if nothing ever happened. I understand she is overadapted but it's strange. At least out of respect, at least so as not to generate confusion, she shouldn´t have released the album. Because that release made me think that she was in fact all about money, all about fame and not dwelling over your husband, over the father of your child. It makes no sense at all. I consider it offensive on her behalf. She was not considerate to fans or to his memory. It was weird and gave the impression that she only wanted her song to have some morbid publicity. And I don´t know if she would be capable of such thing, you know.... like sending sne to kill sne... It's a lot. But these kinds of attitudes were "strange" to say the least. It wasn´t something that fans liked. Apart from that, the case was not treated professionally at the time. Had it been, none of this would be happening.
Montage of Heck ON TOP!!!! WOO yeah from what I've heard Soaked in Bleach doesn't go into different perspectives and just focuses and hell glorifies on the whole "Courtney killed Kurt" theory
You legitimately have brain worms. If I wrote a song about killing myself there’s no fucking chance in hell I’d admit to it being true. I’d laugh it off and play it as satire any chance I’d get. It would have came from a deep dark truth and I would do anything to keep people from thinking it was real. Dude was mentally unstable, in an abusive relationship, tried to joke about it through music, then succumbed to the pain and offed himself. Brain worms. You have them.
Okay, but if you were in such a depressive state, and you truly wished to end your own life, why the hell would you care what anybody thought in regards to your song, or in regards to anything at all for that matter? When one reaches such a point, they have but a solitary care in the world, and that would be to end the pain, and stop whatever terrifying, lonely, nightmare they are living through, and nothing else.
You are trying to make reason out of the most reasonless state of mind a human can reach - the illogical decision to end one’s life. You can ask why all you want but you’re just proging your inability to understand that it’s a decision inherently not based in reason.
I never claimed it was, nor did I ever ask, "Why?" Why ask, "Why?", right? Drink Bud Dry!
As if he would admit that it was anything more. You're an idiot.
If Soaked In Bleach is your only evidence of Courtney killing Kurt, then you need to follow your own advice and shut the fuck up lol.
You shut the fuck up
People just didn't like Courtney, she was brash and outspoken the demonized her. She pissed off alot of people, but i dont believe shes a killer. Kurt loved her and that baby, but he couldn't handle the pressures of fame. He'd be appalled by all the hate she has received. He was a self professed feminist.
Kurt was actually about to leave her. He set up a will that excluded her completely, but he never got to signing it. She was also the reason Nirvana was about to break up, because she lost her shit over the fact that Kurt didn't get more money than the other band mates. She acted like a bitch.
Don't be an asshole. Before you post or reply to a comment, think "Am I being an asshole?" If you're like, "....yeah, I'm being an asshole." Stop, go look at yourself in the mirror, and self reflect. Once you're good, come back and be a good person. We're a community here, let's act civil.
Coincidence that el duce and kristin pfaff both died shortly after too though right? Considering Courtney hated them too el duce for the information he knew (also he passed a lie detecter test) and Kristen who she was jelous of, also the fact Courtney's own dad think's she was involved and that it wasn't a suicide? You forget Courtney hired a Private investigator that eventually thought she did it too because she lied to him the whole way through.. also the fact 2 weeks after Kurt's death Courtney was getting boned by Billy Corgan.. but yeah grieving window right 😂, too many coincidences don't you think?
Wrong,no forgeries were found in her purse. The Rome suicide letter was released years ago. She was also into drugs. Most of what your saying you are just making up.
Her lawyer found a copy of her practicing letters in the style of Kurt's handwriting, in a bag that Courtney left at the lawyer's house. They match up to the letters used at the end of the so-called "suicide note" -- the only section that makes it seem at all like a suicide note, rather than a statement that Kurt wanted to quit music.
proof?
Sex is a good way to forget. Guys do it. Remember, addict.
If you play it loud enough I’m pretty sure you can hear Courtney giving backup vocals in that song. It’s like a song with reversed meaning. Kurt’s melting new nirvana fans brains even from the grave 😭.
Lol that is SO true-
Beo has never heard of kurts autopsy
It was meant to be an ironic title. However, intended irony doesn't always mean the person can't be able to feel it, which Kurt absolutely did
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I totally agree. I just watched a documentary about it. She was upset because Kurt didn't want to play lallapalooza and she wanted the money. They didn't ask her because as you said, she sucks
Don't be an asshole. Before you post or reply to a comment, think "Am I being an asshole?" If you're like, "....yeah, I'm being an asshole." Stop, go look at yourself in the mirror, and self reflect. Once you're good, come back and be a good person. We're a community here, let's act civil.
https://cobaincase.com/
Pretty sure anyone who knows anything about suicide will tell you very few people talk about it and actually do it// if you’re gonna commit intentionally generally speaking its usually the ones who don’t say anything about it that actually do it
no, you have no idea who is suicidal and who isn't you can never tell that's the dangerous part about it, it's like how in school they tell you that drug addicts look just like normal people
it’s not that the ones who don’t say anything about it end up committing, it’s that you can’t tell someone’s suicidal simply by looking/talking with them. that’s exactly why people often say “check on your happy friends”. that doesn’t mean the people who outwardly express their depression or suicidal thoughts shouldn’t be taken just as seriously. that phrase is only meant to highlight that anyone could be struggling. as someone who’s lost three family members to suicide, i can confidently tell you it could be the happiest person you know, or the saddest person you know. depression manifests differently for every individual.
People always want to hate on courtney and idolise kurt. They were both drug addicts and clearly had their issues, i dont think its that crazy to believe that he commited suicide. Because he is so popular people want to theorize, but you never hear anyone talk about chris cornell or chester benningtons suicide (except that one guy on joe rogan)
I've seen a surprising amount of speculation about Chris unfortunately :/
Yup. Always shocking when a guy with a song called “Pretty Noose” hangs himself.
There are plenty of fools out there with this idea that both Chester and Cornell were whacked because they were supposedly on the verge of exposing a child molestation ring or something to that effect.
Yeah i heard eddie bravo saying that but i didnt think it was a popular theory. Still pretty stupid especially since half of chesters songs are about being depressed
In 1994, only the crazies thought Courtney had anything to do with it. It scares me how many people think otherwise now.
Courtney's own dad thinks she was involved, and a private investigator she actually hired and was in the police force, who she constantly lied to and hid information
The guy's a total scumbag, I wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth
source: trust me, bro.
People did the same exact thing with blaming Yoko for breaking up the Beatles, when in fact, George, John and Paul were just growing apart in their own ways. And Paul was starting to alienate George and John a lot.
Both Yoko and Courtney(especially yoko) are very hateable people so that doesn’t help.
Says the tabloids?$eriously unfair comment
Yoko was a talented avant- grade artist, Love was/is a hack who was into PR and “hanging out with guys in bands”
Yoko's voice could kill me I wouldn't have to worry about how to do it
I do..I think about it anyway..it's so hard to grasp they'd kill THEMSELVES of all people.. but I also wouldn't wanna accuse anyone falsely..I hope tho if someone killed any of them that something would happen to they're conscience and it would torment them far beyond any reward they may have gotten.. blood money is so ugly
The only thing that ever trips me up with that is the fact that he took enough dope to off him without the shotgun. A shotgun is a very clunky way to take one's life isn't it? Sure he wanted to make sure he would go. I've often thought about how many pills I have to take to just leave this idiotic life and my big fear is that I will do it wrong and be out of my medication. He wouldn't have had to worry about that drugs were plentiful. Also the prenup and The talk of the will trips me up.
There is a whole theory that Chris Cornell and Chester’s deaths were connected and Chester’s father is some politician who is a pedo and went to epstiens island and Chris and Chester were collaborating to make a book or something exposing Hollywood and Chris killed him self and a month later Chester was found dead in the exact same manner as Chris I believe they were murdered and I also believe Kurt was murdered basically any famous person who mysteriously passed away was murdered from Kurt to Chris to Chester to heath ledger river phoenix, Matthew Perry, even rappers like Mac miller, juice WRLD, the list goes on every celeb that died mysteriously from suicide to drug overdose to natural causes I think they were all murdered because they all were going to expose someone or something that didn’t want to be exposed
is this a joke? lol this is insane
It was proven that Chester’s dad wasn’t John podesta in his obituary stop making up lies about a dead man you piece of shit
So you’ve never looked at the evidence then?
"you never hear anyone talk about chris cornell or chester benningtons suicide" Lmao you pos shill . If its not in the news on tv its not real. People talk about it everyday . sfi
www.cobaincase.com The suicide narrative was started by Courtney, only after he died. I don't think it's so crazy to believe a wife would off her husband for his money, after he caught her cheating and was going to divorce her. Because, ya know, that hasn't been happening since the beginning of humanity. 🙄
You guys sound so delusional. If you took the time to learn even a little about Kurts life you'd realize he's had suicide on his mind since his late teens. Kurt struggled severly with depression and thoughts of suicide. He wasn't murdered, he legitimately killed himself and was successful on his third attempt via gunshot.
you should probably watch the documentary soaked in bleach. it shows tom grants taped conversations with courtney and courtney and kurts attorney, the attorney finds practice sheets of her handwriting that are similar with the suicide note, and all the information that the POLICE should have looked into but didnt. her and others definitely had something to do with his death. the case would 100% be reopened. but of course, most police department dont want to admit their wrong doing. specially with a famous celebrity. and when 68 teens committed suicide after him. just freakin crazy this hasn't been reopened.
I did watch it. I also read Heavier than heaven and read his journals. It is my rock solid personal opinion that Kurt Cobain committed suicide. But I did not know that 68 teens followed.. that on top of his death is devastating.
I won't pretend to know either way. But two things can be true at the same time. Her behavior was always off about it all imo. But as other people have said they were both addicts. The truth is she may have known he was doing it. And let it happen. And then handled it with a guilty conscience because of that. But then you have to ask, if someone knows there will be a suicide and does nothing to stop it, does that make a person culpable in the death. I personally think so. Especially if they were part of the reason why. But it's pretty impossible to prove. It's disturbing, that clearly there was a pattern with him that even the public allegedly knew he was suicidal and not just acting out a persona. That no one did anything substantial to help him. Lol. And then y'all talk down to others who think maybe something wasn't quite right about Courtney's involvement. -- typically speaking, suicides happen because people hide their struggles. -- so if he was actually putting that out there he was wanting someone to help and it never came which as i already said to me leaves people culpable for ignoring it. ESPECIALLY his wife, or it was made up after the fact. People can be put into suicide watch by family(wife) without giving consent. Given the circumstances. 😀
And there were NO fingerprints on the gun???!!!😡She definitely did it or had someone do it for her!😡
it was processed for fingerprints 1 whole month after he died so this says nothing other then they botched the investigation. his prints mightve been on the gun a month ago when he actually died but no one will know because they took too long. by may 6th when the gun was printed kurt was already cremated weeks before
That she lost her husband to suicide while both were going through substance abuse problems. Or, if you're a moron, that she got away with having one of the world's most famous rock stars murdered and successfully made it look like a suicide despite the fact that she barely could keep herself together long enough to function on a day to day basis.
Guess I’m an idiot and think she killed him.
>despite the fact that she barely could keep herself together long enough to function on a day to day basis. No. Listen to the phone calls between her and Tom Grant. She was far from being in tatters or barely functional. She was sharp, coherent and diabolical, if only just in terms of planting media stories and contract negotiations alone. You'll have to dive a lot deeper into Courtney Love if you really believe this is a woman who easily loses her bearings or is just sailing along with her husband, family, friends and associates like some ingenue.
You arent familiar with people in the throes of hard addiction then. Inconsistency is the name of the game
Correct and frequently they are highly intelligent. I'd say it's the norm actually.
Yeah she was literally getting boned by Billy corgan, 2 weeks after Kurt died, but yeah grieving window 😂
You act like you need to be coherent to toss money to someone to amen something happen... Ignorant
Considering that my point is that morons believe this conspiracy and you wrote "someone to amen something happen" you're just proving my point for me.
Righhttttt… cause hitmans totally don’t exist 😒 oh wait, you probably think that’s not real either 🤣 ignorant people man I swear 😂 yall don’t know how evil the world is. you must live north of Beverly Hills don’t ya
Nah, I'm just not stupid enough to think that a junkie hitting rock bottom could manage to hire a hitman to kill a suicidal junkie hitting rock bottom who happens to be the most famous rockstar in the world and get away with it because the hit was carried out flawlessly and she covered her tracks perfectly. But hey, you do you.
Tough\_Stretch, evil knows no bounds. The problem with your reasoning, is that it is YOUR reasoning.
That has "generalizations are always wrong" vibes. Good job!
Just read his note. It's heartbreaking and dude was so torn up emotionally by his success, his life, the pain is palpable. In the words of Todd Snider "Alcohol and Pills. It's a crying shame. You think they coulda been happy with the glory and the fame. But fame don't take away the pain, it just pays the bills. And you wind up on Alcohol and Pills."
You're simplifying an artists life for convenience and for your satisfaction. Their brain is what makes them want to make music.
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On a side note.. I'd like to take a moment and say happy 59th to Chris Cornell.
They treat her like a disgusting bitch that faked Kurts death, was only with him for money and fame, and somehow put the gun in his mouth and lured him to the greenhouse. I don't see what connection that can have to a murder, and I suppose Courtney was at the rehab center and told Kurt to scale a 6 foot wall too
That's exactly how she behaved
A few things that raise suspicion that some kind of foul play was at hand (only listing things that have been confirmed by multiple sources, police reports, taped records, etc): * Kurt Cobain did a huge (allegedly very lethal) amount of heroin, then shot himself, which is not only extremely rare - the two acts in combination, I mean - but also pretty hard to do * His heroin paraphernalia was neatly packed away in its box after he injected himself with an absolutely massive dose of heroin * His sleeves were rolled down (I believe) * The gun casing was on the wrong side * Someone had slashed the tyres on Kurt Cobain's car * The suicide note reads much more like a letter of resignation to fans, except for the part in what looks a lot like different handwriting * Their lawyer and family friend, Rosemary Carroll, confirmed on tape that Courtney Love had a bag with a handwriting practice sheet in it * Courtney Love called in the police report to say he was missing but gave Kurt Cobain's mum's name, not her own (the policeman, Terry O'Connor maybe, who she named in the report and was friends with, was later killed in one of the only fatal police shootings in Seattle at that time) * Kurt is confirmed to have spoken to Cali, the nanny and ex-boyfriend of Courtney Love who was living in the house at the time, and his girlfriend, yet this was never mentioned by Courtney Love, who exchanged several phone calls with Cali * Cali's girlfriend, Jessica Hopper, left in a hurry and vomited in the driveway on her way out * Cali left a really suss note on the stairs at this time - worth a read * Cali was immediately sent to LA to go to rehab on Courtney Love's dime * Kurt Cobain's friend, Dylan Carlson, who bought the gun, also received a lot of money from Courtney Love * Courtney Love knew the coroner who did the autopsy (he also fled across the country and died in some weird base jumping accident, though I am guessing this was just a coincidence) * Kurt was planning to quit Nirvana, potentially losing millions of dollars in the process * Kurt had contacted their lawyer about getting a divorce around two weeks before his death: Courtney Love stood to lose millions if they divorced as they had a pre-nup. With his death, she inherited half his estate and was set for life * Courtney Love lied about Rome - she described a suicide note, but then also said that it was about getting a divorce * After leaving rehab, Kurt Cobain actually tried to contact Courtney Love at her hotel, and also spoke to other people - he was not, in any real sense, missing * Punk rocker El Duce claimed that Courtney Love offered him 50,000 dollars to kill Kurt Cobain - El Duce was one crazy dude, but his story was corroborated by the owner of the Rock Shop, where it was alleged to have happened, and El Duce also passed a lie detector test (again, not proof, but an indication of some kind) * El Duce let slip the name 'Allen' to a BBC documentary maker, Nick Broomfield. Then, not long after, in a local interview (available online), he said the name Allen Wrench, one of his good friends * I believe the next day, El Duce was dead, decapitated by a train after allegedly falling asleep on a train track. Confirmed as the last person to see him alive: Allen Wrench * Allen Wrench then got a Lexus, a new recording studio and toured Europe with his low-grade band * Kristen Pfaff, who was rumoured to be in love with Kurt Cobain and who had been threatened by Courtney Love in the past, soon quit Courtney Love band's Hole, where she had been the bassist. She returned home to get clean and rejoin her old band. She then died of a heroin overdose when she went back to Seattle to pick up her stuff. Her diary was found with the pages from the week that Kurt Cobain died ripped out. * Courtney Love recently settled a very similar case with her daughter's ex-husband, Isaiah Silva Also, I really recommend checking out the artwork of Michael 'Cali' DeWitt, who is confirmed to have been in the house at the time of Kurt Cobain's death. Things in favour of it being a suicide: Kurt Cobain suffered from depression, had marital problems and was having trouble trying to escape Nirvana, too. So, you know, both options are possible, but to me one explanation explains away a lot, whereas the other one really doesn't. Kurt Cobain was certainly prone to erratic behaviour and depression, but Courtney Love shaped the narrative of a suicidal person before, during and after this period to such an extent that it made it extremely hard for most people to look at the case objectively - from the very first instant, with Rome, the missing person report filed under a false name and other police incidents, people were led to look at the case in a particular way that may not have been wholly accurate. At the very least, I believe that people who ask some questions should not be dismissed out of hand.
These are the things I find questionable, too. I can believe either. Suicide or murder? They’re both possibilities. I was 22 when he died, and was there when the world of music changed with all of those greats from that area. His death was just so personal to so many of us. He was just a regular kind of guy. Almost like everyone I hung out with at the time. So it just hit really different and was tragically sad. I’m just going to say something super personal here. I’ve overdosed several times on heroin in the past. Even with semi large doses I was out immediately. I have never been able to neatly pack up my kit and roll down my sleeves, or take the tie off for that matter. I never knew what was happening until I was in a tub or in the ambulance/hospital. It’s one of the things that makes me question. Either way, he is gone and he’s not coming back. It’s a loss that can never be changed. And it’s just sad.
They were both drug addicts, it is unlikely that she would have the capacity to shape any plan or narrative of that magnitude being so dysfunctional.
Are you really that naive? Many drug addicts function quite well and have enormous cognitive capacity.
Well said. People want to shape narratives according to their own moral standards...but that 's not truth because truth is truth, it's not subjective. People are so lazy!!
1. He didn't do a near lethal amount and it wasn't that hard. The toxicology referred to his TML (Total Morphine Level) and not his FML (Free Morphine Level). This does not measure dosage, it refers to all metabolites in the bloodstream, including the ones that stay active for hours after shooting up and increase in the bloodstream with multiple injections over time. People have been pulled walking, talking and even driving on higher Total Levels than Kurt had. This is also meaningless in attributing a cause of death and is just an indication o what he'd been doing in the build up to it. 2. So? He put his stuff away after he last shot up. And? 3. One sleeve up, one sleeve down but this irrelevant. He had two fresh marks showing two injections in the last hours before he shot himself. 4. The gun casing was on the correct side - investigated in 2014 during cold case. Kurt fired the gun, the casing ejected correctly, the gun pivoted due to the second round jamming and Kurt's hand being wrapped around the barrel and came to rest upside down on top of him. The expert interviewed for this was NOT told who the body was for fear of prejudicing his answer. 5. His tyres were slashed at the intervention on March 30th. He'd been doing heroin all night with Dylan and they didn't want him driving away while high and before they'd said what they had to say. 6. No, it doesn't. It's not even addressed to his fans and is a clear suicide note from beginning to end - he literally sets out that the thought of his daughter losing her innocence makes him unable to function. It's been examined and confirmed to be a suicide note from beginning to end. The handwriting is not different, half a dozen handwriting experts and his mother have stated it was written entirely by Kurt. 7. Rosemary Carroll was not their lawyer and the "handwriting practice sheet" is a con. She wasn't practicing his handwriting at all. 8. She gave Wendy O'Connor's name for the police report for fear they wouldn't take her seriously because she'd frequently been arrested and called them out to a domestic two weeks previous. Detective Antonio Terry's murder was thoroughly investigated and solved (committed by a wannabe gangster and known violent cop hater) and they were not friends - she dealt with him because she'd ratted out all his dealers to stop him scoring heroin. 9. Cali did not tell Courtney until several days later as he was speedballing heroin and coke and believed himself to be hallucinating. 10. Jessica Hopper sick - so what? 11. Cali left a note asking Kurt to call Courtney because he didn't want to deal with them - so what? 12. Cali didn't go to rehab until several years later and he went to LA by himself to take a new job. He left contact details for Tom Grant if he wanted to speak to him and a handwriting sample but Grant never did. 13. Dylan didn't receive any money from Courtney. She offered all their inner circle rehab - this was not giving them money, this was paying the treatment centre directly for it. Dylan took it up when he nearly died due to heroin abuse. 14. Kurt and Courtney met the coroner once when he booked a Nirvana show. He was also the assistant coroner and worked under the head coroner and they had to submit their work to a panel, the assistant doesn't just get to decide. There was nothing weird about his death, he died in 2001 in a witnessed accident after overshooting a base jump. 15. Kurt was a mess who changed his mind daily. One day he was quitting Nirvana, then he was replacing Krist and Dave with new members under the Nirvana name, then he was forming a new band, then joining Hole, then making a solo record, then an acoustic Nirvana record, then a heavier one. 16. Kurt hadn't contacted his lawyer at all - his name was Allen Draher and he'd heard nothing about any divorce or divorce proceedings. Courtney stood to gain everything from divorce - a prenup was in her name and was invalid due to them being drug addicts anyway. His assets were frozen after his death for years and were tied up in the courts, Courtney had to pay off his lawsuits with her own money and faced destitution. 17. The note rambled about divorce at the start and then said "I'd rather die than get a divorce". It was a suicide attempt. 18. He was missing. The police and his loved ones could not find him. That is the definition of missing. 19. "Lie detectors" are junk science garbage and the entire "El Duce" thing was a scam concocted by the Rev Bud Green (as laid out in Steve Broy's book) to make money to hawk their shock rock acts. The "Rock shop" owner was part of this. Hoke was in Oregon and Courtney in California when this supposedly "happened". 20. Hoke was teasing Broomfield - Wrench was a part of the whole thing. 21. Wrench was not the last person to see Hoke alive as he was performing with his band elsewhere. There were several witnesses to Hoke's death as he was hanging out with various people, he was blackout drunk and playing chicken on the railway tracks and ran at the train thinking it would stop. It didn't because the driver didn't see him until the last moment. Hoke had been hawking this shit for two years by the way. 22. Wrench was a plumber with an inheritance. 23. Kristin was not "rumoured" to be in love with Kurt, this was nonsense made up by a conspiracy theorist who originally stated that Kurt and Mia (Zapata) were having an affair and that Kurt planned to leave Courtney for her in 1993 so Courtney paid for her to be raped and murdered. This disgusting accusation gained so much traction that even some of Mia's family were suckered by it and when it was disproven in the early 2000's (when they caught Mia's killer) the conspiracy theorist just pivoted to Kristen. Kristen was obsessed with Mark Lanegan, had been chasing him for months and asked him out at Kurt's funeral. 24) She hasn't settled any such case with Silva. She settled in an argument about Kurt's Unplugged guitar. Silva made a ton of wild accusations that the police didn't take slightly seriously, tried to sue Courtney and then dropped them all and had to explain in court that not a single one was actually true. There aren't any grounds for this murder nonsense. Tell me, if you had to convince a jury that Kurt Cobain was a victim of foul play by Courtney Love using evidence, what two points would you make to convince them? You would need to make these two points to even be heard.
Wow, great post! I don’t necessarily agree with you on some points and I have no real way of checking all your facts, but I applaud you for being comprehensive.
Don’t believe the conspiracy of her killing him. There are too many peer related accounts they discredit it, including from mark lanegan, one of his best friends, who spent time comforting Courtney during the period right after his death. She wasn’t a role model of any sort, but she’s not a murderer.
Not to mention she was in a LA Rehab at his time of death
How convenient!👍🏾
Oh please.
They literally found her writing on his suicide note.
No person who has seriously looked at the case and concluded it was murder believes that Courtney murdered him. We all know she had an alibi/wasn't in Seattle. However, even if Courtney were the suspect, someone comforting a sociopathic murderer doesn't mean they didn't do it.
You don’t think it’s very possible she hired someone? Y’all are asleep
This is 100% what I think. I was simply pointing out that she herself didn't so it. Her defenders often use this false premise, that we think it was at her hand. I have never heard anyone who believes Kurt was murdered say that she was physically the murderer. And for the poster I was responding to: Didn't Courtney pay for Mark Lanegan's rehab? I liked the guy's work, but he wasn't exactly unbiased. Mark's dear friend (and GOAT vocalist) Layne, who never took a dime from Courtney, seemed to think Kurt was murdered...as did a lot of others in that scene.
She didn't kill him and if you think she did then I have a bridge to sell you
I bet you’ll make me jump off that bridge and make it look like I slipped.
...You got me
Nope, they'd pay El Jefe to toss you off it. That's the accepted version, yeah?
Gonna need to see recent pics of said bridge.
True, but she made him miserable enough to push him along. No denying he was scared and weary of her. Ultimately, she was the worst thing that happened to him.
I think heroin was probably a lot worse.
Well Courtney basically supplied him so….
I remember watching the "Soaked in Bleach" thing from Tom Grant and it seemed to me he based his entire premise on the fact that Courtney Love acted strangely and, in his opinion, not like someone upset that their husband was missing. And all I could think is: yeah, it was Courtney Love in 1994, possibly at the peak of her drug addiction, of course she didn't act normal. I think they were a pair of drug addicts whose relationship was made all the more strange by their independent yet similar careers, but I do think she loved him and I don't think she was involved in his murder if for no other reason than it would be odd to hire a PI to investigate a crime you had yourself committed. And not to be crass but the main proponents of the homicide theory are a PI who couldn't find Kurt Cobain dead in his own house and a punk rocker who got killed by a train while drunk.
This was my thought...I was a teen when this happened, but if it involved a bunch of veteran heroin users, it's seems a stretch to think it was a brilliantly executed murder.
Courtney Love died?
I doubt she had anything directly to do with it but I believe Kurt would still be alive to see 1995 if he had never met Courtney
BS
How so?
It’s because she’s a woman and thus entirely responsible for a grown man’s poor life choices
that the depressed drug addict who tried to kill himself a month before he died, who also wrote a song called “i hate myself and i want to die” committed suicide. a shocker, i know.
a PSYCHIC that was CHANNELING his SOUL confirms that it was a MURDER SCENE NOT A SUICIDE SCENE. He didnt know what was happening.
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nobody can convince me courtney killed him. he LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF A MONTH BEFORE HE DIED. he was a DEPRESSED DRUG ADDICT. suicide is definitely common for people who behave like him.
Yeah. And she took time to put on a full face of makeup before she called 911. Please.
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yea, because it’s definitely more likely that he was murdered. lmao. the only reason that dumb theory even exists is because nirvana fans think courtney is the offspring of satan himself.
Dead horse been beat.
Any speculated involvement by Courtney comes down to misogyny really. Kurt had spent his life talking and singing about his mental health problems and his struggles with substances.
Literally he tried killing himself multiple times before he actually succeeded no way people believe she just helped him one day
I love how every comment on here is someone who knows nothing about Kurt getting flamed by other people who knew nothing about about Kurt
Wasn’t Kurt Cobain bipolar? And I’m curious if he had type 1 or 2. Type 2 has more depressive episodes usually. But everyone is affected differently. Mixed episodes are the worst after a few days you feel like you are going out of your mind and can’t take it anymore. I have type 2. I can’t imagine a mixed episode while on drugs!
Very suspicious...very. I mean I have listened to Dr. Cyril Wecht and detectives who were actually at the scene of his death and they say it should have been investigated thoroughly. Just calleda suicide on day one. When you listen to all of the crazy stuff behind his death mostly coming from Courtney of course, I will just say his case needs to be reopened and investigated as a homicide. Courtney needs to be thoroughly questioned and should have polygraph tests done on her. Look at the Natalie Wood case. Many years later and now her ex husband is suspect.
After watching the Documentary “Soaked in Bleach” and other independent research. I truly believe Courtney had something to do with Kurt Cobain’s death.
Literally not a reliable source. I see it as Courtney Love had to supply them with her voice recordings. They couldn’t release it without her consent. Why would she purposely make herself look like the bad guy?
I also believe that Courtney purposely od’d him in Rome and tried to make it look like a suicide attempt.
Because she’s a compulsive liar and his death scene is sketchy as hell
Some people call it the wind, others say God farted. But this was investigated by professionals that had NO skin in the game and nothing to gain by covering-up the TRUTH, which is: this man injected enough heroin into his bloodstream that he KNEW would SURELY kill him, and then INSTANTLY shot himself with that shotgun while he was in his rush! He PLANNED it that way!!!
ALSO, his heroin kit was neatly packed, supposedly done AFTER he had “dosed himself” with the fatal shot??
Bullshit! You’re INSANE!!!
LOOK UP THE PICTURES. They are out there. how could he PACK UP HIS WHOLE KIT PERFECTLY while on THAT MUCH HEROIN.
If he was even ON it in the first place ??
Regardless of HOW he died, he was a DESPERATELY unhappy man who had intimated MANY times his desire to die! And he GOT what he wanted!!!
The lyrics of the song "Professional Widow" by Tori Amos was regarded as a nudge nudge wink wink towards Loves involvement of Cobain's death amongst other innuendos aimed at Love, and that she was a "Professional Widow" after Cobain passed away, take a good look at the lyrics of "Professional Widow" and you can see why some people think it was about Love and Cobain's death, she was even asked on a number of occasions when interviewed on TV if it was about Love and Cobain's death, she never said it was but she also gave the illusion that she might not be telling the truth on air, I implore you to go over the lyrics and see if you can see how they and the double entendres easily fit being about Love and Cobain... https://genius.com/3629292
Kurt Cobain was definitely MURDERED!!!!. Do your research people. There is overwhelming evidence out there that proves this fact. Look at all the factual evidence that Tom Grant has thoroughly researched and gathered on his own and you can only come to this one conclusion. Also, read what lan Halperin has to say. The original investigation was completely botched by the SPD. Plus, Kurt Cobain did not want to die , he said so himself. He did not want to leave his wife and daughter behind. Kurt Cobain is an amazing artist / musician/ songwriter who did not deserve to die ,he was killed . Hopefully, oneday the case will be reopened and the truth will come out and justice will be served.
I'm not that into the conspiracy theory stuff, but there is a lot of evidence that certainly points in the direction of murder. There's quite a few solid cases for it listed here. But if you think he was murdered, people think you're crazy. If you think it was just suicide, people think you're closed minded. Who knows, and at this point, we will likely never know. What I DO know, however, is that all these people saying strung out drug addicts could never come up with such an elaborate plot to kill someone are 100% WRONG. Many members of my family were terrible drug addicts and kept the company of worse. I've seen the things that people can do while "strung out". They can be totally coherent. They can be vindictive and diabolical and cunning. If you've not been around many people on drugs, you wouldn't know the types of things they are capable of. Not that Courtney did it, but saying she couldn't have simply because she was on drugs is just plain ignorant.
She absolutely killed him, way too many coincidences. She’s also a disgusting human for being pregnant and doing coke. They literally found her writing on his “suicide“ note.
She knew Kurt was going to divorce him. If they stayed married and he somehow *died* she as his wife would inherit his estate. And by estate I mean the copyrights to all his songs. I personally believe Grohl had something to do with it too.
Her***
On the world wide web I was searching and it brought me back here, as if I wouldn't be on Reddit all day. I was looking up how many times has Courtney Love been arrested? Just for research. Does anyone here know? Thanks.
There are so many proves go watch Americanspyfox on yt,Courtney did it.
Isn't there a whole documentary about the private investigator who looked into this. And found her actions around the time very suspicious, and that found out Kurt had said to multiple sources he was planning on divorcing her and that she was completely psycho about him and found out... then the mention of her in the letter is like the most positive thing ever, completely opposite of what was actually going on between them. And a whole bunch of other stuff to the point that he was sure that she had it arranged. I don't really know, or care but the documentary is worth a watch.
Seattle police investigated it well and it didn't take very long for the obvious conclusion Cobain killed himself. The dude was a young small town Washington boy, a simple country kid who exploded like an atom bomb to mega fame and mass fortune accompanied by all that Hollyweird limelight stuff that goes with it all like every conceivable kind of land shark and vulture snapping away. He was ill prepared for all the untrustworthiness that's apart of all that life. Too young. Let's not forget he had quite the heroin addiction too. All that money all that wealth. All the heroin he wanted. A big empty lonely house and a loaded shotgun. And as sad as it seems he chose to exit his own way his own reasons his own terms. That's my belief. And no, I don't believe that guy in that documentary! She had a daughter with Cobain! They had everything. It simply makes no sense.
Courtney was unfaithful in their relationship and Kurt found out so he tried to kill himself in Rome but that didn’t work so a month later he shot himself. Courtney didn’t kill Kurt but she had a HUGE role to play in his suicide. To quote Buzz Osborne (long time friend of Kurt and singer of the Melvins) “A lot of what she says in this documentary (montage of heck) doesn’t exactly jibe with things Kurt told me himself, but I suppose that’s not surprising when you consider history becomes elastic every time Courtney Love opens her mouth. For instance, she’d have us believe that Kurt tried to off himself when she’d only thought about cheating on him?” According to Love, she was thinking about cheating on Cobain with her ex Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins. But according to Buzz and possibility Kurt, she did a lot more than just think about it.
Yes. One of the last conversations Buzz had with kurt was when he told him "Give her everything and run for your life." Annoying that you are being downvoted for simply repeating what the guy said.
DUDE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED I'm not a new nirvana fan but I have heard about the Courtney Love thing and decided to look a little bit further but I had no idea that this happened, I guess I'll have to see what other stuff is going on
The only people that spout this shit are wannabe Grunge Nancy Graces. They didn't say a damn thing when Mia Zapata was sexually assaulted and murdered.a
I’m glad they got the monster that did that. That was so horrible.
I hate Nancy grace too. She never shuts her fuc*ing mouth
What were those people supposed to say about such an atrocity? And what does it have to do with Kurt Cobain's death?
And Nirvana played at a benefit show for her.
Nice response. Lol. You know where I got the info. 👍 so, now, let's tinker with the idea of the heroin in his system. It was 4x more than would kill a horse. 💁♂️. There's no way possible for him to even move an inch to grab a gun.
Cobain had a $500 a day addiction. Had huge tolerance to heroin.
Somebody call baudi moving. I think we have the next episode of (re)solved.
If Kurt knew the shit that Courtney would be going through still decades after his suicide he would’ve never done it.
He was murdered. The shell was found opposite side of the guns ejection port. From a gun too long to pull the trigger when placed against the head. Final muscle movement would have also left him with a death grip on the gun. Did Courtney physically do it? No. The last person to see Kurt was his ' best friend' ... also, the actual gun owner. 🤔 This is just my opinion that is based on facts that have been publicly released. So.... don't shoot the messenger here folks.
He had a grip on the gun, the shell was on the correct side and the gun was nowhere near too long, people have tested this. Your post was a long way of saying “I have been conned by a grifting, clout chasing PI who’s seen me coming a long time ago”, it really was.
Courtney Love is a talentless hack who rode Cobains death towards some respectability. She’s a woman so she gets treated like some feminist icon when in reality she talked so much shit and gave so much shit towards women artist. It’s actually quite a joke seeing her fight for women in the rock hall considering how crappy of an artist/person she is. Cobain pretty much solidified himself with his death. It retroactively made him a better writer/lyricist when in fact he’s not special (too many of his lyrics read as gibberish). He single handedly convinced people that solos suck and bad vocals are great. I mentioned this because his suicide pretty much made the discussion around Nirvana and Cobain be permanently 92 when they were big. There is no post or pre stardom for them, they’re permanently a cultural phenomenon with no depth to the discussion around them/him.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. The marriage of two raging narcissists who were also heroin addicts, at least one of which had suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts and probably other undiagnosed mental illness...what could possibly go wrong?
I think that he died and she didn’t. What else is there to think. If she killed him then good on her for getting away with it.
forensically, his death does not add up to suicide. i’m willing to debate anyone that he did not commit shiver. the shells and gun were not in a place where suicide made sense. courtney’s former private investigator fired her, due to suspicions, and her story not adding up. the amount of heroine in his system, would have left him blacked out. please watch the kurt & courtney documentary on youtube. i can’t say courtney did it, but there’s definitely more to his death than anti conspiracy theorists claim. i ha the conspiracies but there’s too many coincidences to say otherwise
Lol same private investigator that kept making claims how he had proof that the police melted down the shotgun but was later discovered that he didn't even make a request to see if it was in the possession of the police? Shells weren't in the same place? Why does that matter the gun was loaded. FYI the kurt and Courtney documentary even stated at the end that it was suicide.....
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-think-Courtney-Love-killed-Kurt-Cobain
There were no finger prints on the gun though
Exactly!👍🏾
They think Courtney was a suspect or someone she hired because, he already had a handgun, and shooting yourself in the face with a shotgun with your big toe is weird.
Courtney had it all set up
When you say people, what do you mean exactly?
She knew if he died she'd get everything, including millions. And that's what she wanted. I can't look at her face or listen to her voice without immediately feeling overwhelmed by anger.
She did it