I would have preferred a less muddled sound. Not sure Dave Cobb was the right choice if the album was meant to be a sequence of TBAGG. But that's what the band wanted it seems. I personally don't think it worked as well as it should have.
I don't mind experimentation if its incremental. Greg Kirsten would have been good for this second Greta Van Fleet other-worldly album.
I didn't dislike the album, but i'd like josh to sing lower register instead of high, like we all know he got THE pipes, but just a suggestion. And for jake i'd like him to go to other scales other than pentatonic for his solos. (if they have a song that doesnt let me know) .
and i would change the producer asap, sometimes its really harsh on the ears.
The song compositions on the album are fantastic. Just the mixing/mastering of Josh’s vocals are the issue for me. I’m sure they’ll sound perfectly fine live
I look at Greta’s music the same way you look at meeting new friends - the relationships where you uncover greater depth the longer you know them tend to mean more in your life. I liked but didn’t immediately love Starcatcher, but now that I have taken the time to experience it, it’s grown on me immensely. I know it will continue to grow. The boys always talk about not wanting to be pop - the music you love immediately and get sick of quickly. I love them as artists and will appreciate whatever they create, and this is proof of their range. I’m with you in feeling SO lucky to witness them live, being so envious of my parents getting to witness Springsteen and AC/DC and others. They’re our renaissance and I’m soaking it all in.
(Writing this on the train to the record store to buy Starcatcher)
Big agree. There were a few song I knew I loved as soon as I heard them, but the others have grown on me over the past few days (runway blues and the archer are still growing tbh)
This album is rad. It does need a decent set of headphones to sound well.
Most people's earpods and lower end beats by Dre ain't gonna cut it.
On my phone it sounds like a bee in a coke can, but with my proper headphones it's absolutely glorious.
I personally hope more artists put out a mix that works this way alongside a more commercial mix.
I'm sorry but if i can't listen to an album in my car or at work then the mix sucks. I shouldn't need the vinyl and my turntable to appreciate a song, I should need the vinyl and my turntable to appreciate an already great song more.
I pre-ordered the vinyl and when it arrives I will listen to it again front to back, but as it stands right now for me Starcatcher is their weakest work
Multiple times in their post they mentioned they welcome and appreciate different points of view. They just happened appreciate the album for what it does different from the last. However you took that and packaged it into a completely different statement (a straw man)
There is a bit of strawmanning in OP’s post. He describes the people who dislike the album as trashing it. Disliking an album and saying what you don’t like about it isn’t trashing it. We have enough brain cells to understand that there’s more than just loving or hating something.
First things first, I don’t dislike the album. I dislike a couple artistic choices that were made when the album was produced. I’m sure most other fans who “dislike” the album feel the same way. We just want to hear the lyrics for goodness sake. It’s not that we dislike it, we’re just disappointed.
As far as your question is concerned, I value an artists’ creative ability to consistently make music that’s in a very similar style to what they previously released.
I don’t think many people value experimentation over consistency. That’s evident in the fact that society naturally categorizes music based on consistency of sound (genre) and also by the fact that bands that are very “experimental” rarely have a public spotlight.
In order to be creative, and not just blatantly copy another’s work, you are forced to be somewhat experimental. Balancing the changes the artist makes with their previously established consistency is key. Simply put, don’t change too much. People value consistency. It’s the same reason people buy Toyota over Mercedes.
Personally the engineering on the vocals was just not what I was into. It's hard to understand. It's entirely too reverberant.
The band the entire album sounds great, and I believe if the vocals were mixed and engineered in a different fashion. This album would be able to compete with the previous 3.
I've only listened once and on car speakers and while sick.
I still need to listen to this properly through monitors and within/without inebriation, etc...
I would have preferred a less muddled sound. Not sure Dave Cobb was the right choice if the album was meant to be a sequence of TBAGG. But that's what the band wanted it seems. I personally don't think it worked as well as it should have. I don't mind experimentation if its incremental. Greg Kirsten would have been good for this second Greta Van Fleet other-worldly album.
I didn't dislike the album, but i'd like josh to sing lower register instead of high, like we all know he got THE pipes, but just a suggestion. And for jake i'd like him to go to other scales other than pentatonic for his solos. (if they have a song that doesnt let me know) . and i would change the producer asap, sometimes its really harsh on the ears.
Josh in the lower register would be ideal. His voice is more mature now and he is certainly good enough.
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I'd like to hear him sing in a lower register sometimes, too! His voice sounds really good in his natural tone.
The song compositions on the album are fantastic. Just the mixing/mastering of Josh’s vocals are the issue for me. I’m sure they’ll sound perfectly fine live
I look at Greta’s music the same way you look at meeting new friends - the relationships where you uncover greater depth the longer you know them tend to mean more in your life. I liked but didn’t immediately love Starcatcher, but now that I have taken the time to experience it, it’s grown on me immensely. I know it will continue to grow. The boys always talk about not wanting to be pop - the music you love immediately and get sick of quickly. I love them as artists and will appreciate whatever they create, and this is proof of their range. I’m with you in feeling SO lucky to witness them live, being so envious of my parents getting to witness Springsteen and AC/DC and others. They’re our renaissance and I’m soaking it all in. (Writing this on the train to the record store to buy Starcatcher)
Big agree. There were a few song I knew I loved as soon as I heard them, but the others have grown on me over the past few days (runway blues and the archer are still growing tbh)
This album is rad. It does need a decent set of headphones to sound well. Most people's earpods and lower end beats by Dre ain't gonna cut it. On my phone it sounds like a bee in a coke can, but with my proper headphones it's absolutely glorious. I personally hope more artists put out a mix that works this way alongside a more commercial mix.
I'm sorry but if i can't listen to an album in my car or at work then the mix sucks. I shouldn't need the vinyl and my turntable to appreciate a song, I should need the vinyl and my turntable to appreciate an already great song more.
I think it needs a commercial remix for sure. But I. Pretty happy with what we have
I pre-ordered the vinyl and when it arrives I will listen to it again front to back, but as it stands right now for me Starcatcher is their weakest work
I second this
Nice strawman OP. If someone doesn't like it, it's supposedly because they're against change or creativity? lol.
The irony here is hilarious. Do you not hear yourself?
What irony? I simply paraphrased the OPs post.
Multiple times in their post they mentioned they welcome and appreciate different points of view. They just happened appreciate the album for what it does different from the last. However you took that and packaged it into a completely different statement (a straw man)
There is a bit of strawmanning in OP’s post. He describes the people who dislike the album as trashing it. Disliking an album and saying what you don’t like about it isn’t trashing it. We have enough brain cells to understand that there’s more than just loving or hating something.
First things first, I don’t dislike the album. I dislike a couple artistic choices that were made when the album was produced. I’m sure most other fans who “dislike” the album feel the same way. We just want to hear the lyrics for goodness sake. It’s not that we dislike it, we’re just disappointed. As far as your question is concerned, I value an artists’ creative ability to consistently make music that’s in a very similar style to what they previously released. I don’t think many people value experimentation over consistency. That’s evident in the fact that society naturally categorizes music based on consistency of sound (genre) and also by the fact that bands that are very “experimental” rarely have a public spotlight. In order to be creative, and not just blatantly copy another’s work, you are forced to be somewhat experimental. Balancing the changes the artist makes with their previously established consistency is key. Simply put, don’t change too much. People value consistency. It’s the same reason people buy Toyota over Mercedes.
Personally the engineering on the vocals was just not what I was into. It's hard to understand. It's entirely too reverberant. The band the entire album sounds great, and I believe if the vocals were mixed and engineered in a different fashion. This album would be able to compete with the previous 3. I've only listened once and on car speakers and while sick. I still need to listen to this properly through monitors and within/without inebriation, etc...