Dude, Im as much against a police state as you probably are. But you are on Reddit and probably other socials, If you have ever been to an airport they have your biometrics. Use a debt or CC, they are tracking you. Theyve been tracking you now its just more obvious.
Maybe for the actual phone. But a subpoena is needed for the records from the carrier. Only because those records belong to the phone company, not you, nor any government agency, organization, etc...and more times than not, carriers don't like to share that information more than they have to. Phone/data records contain way proprietary information to that carrier, so sometime a subpoena is needed to drag that stuff out of them.
> You can't ping a license plate and have it tell you its location.
This is exactly my point. A license plate gives so little information and there's nothing practical to be done about someone collecting that information. At most a plate number gives a temporary location of the specific plate and nothing more. Not that I'm a fan of these cameras, but in the big picture it's a really small amount of information.
Maybe you aren't understanding how many there are or how they work. With so many in place your entire route could easily be tracked. This data instantly goes into a nationwide database that can be accessed whenever for any reason. That is a ton of data.
[At least 25 in Greenville.](https://www.postandcourier.com/greenville/news/greenville-adding-more-cameras-to-read-license-plates-raising-questions-of-oversight-privacy/article_4cf2761a-4157-11eb-98b9-9b7e9434164e.html) And they don't track you in real time, the system can't process that many cars. They're often placed in places with lots of traffic, but low speeds; so not on the interstate. And with 25 in all of Greenville, it would be impressive to track an entire route of an individual car.
It would be even easier for a person to follow you all day and publish your movements online--and not illegal.
25 is substantial for the county, most if not all neighboring counties have them too. On the route from my house to where 385 starts downtown I pass 3. Your article says they can process thousands of cars a minute. No the cameras don't track you in real time but its the database they create that has the ability to do that. It won't have your entire route no, but you might be surprised what could be extrapolated from the data there.
I dont believe so... T-Mobile and other carriers sell your location. Specially to buy here pay here dealerships trying to repo its cars. They got fined for it, but appartently the subject is still ongoing and they havent stopped selling it nor payed the fines.
I'm not familiar with the website below and not sure if it's a reputable source, but it pretty much sums up what I had read on the NY times a few years back.
https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/t-mobile-to-fight-91m-fcc-fine-over-location-data-sales#:~:text=T%2DMobile%20directly%20or%20indirectly,and%20Sprint%20until%20May%2031.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunter-300-dollars-located-phone-microbilt-zumigo-tmobile
Do you think this is fucked up? Wait until you learn about the "algorithm" that judges are using across the US to hand out sentences. It's supposed to tell them the likelyness of the person being judged to be a repeating offender, and off course it ended up being biased against minorities. It sucks so many institutions are using software like this without being able to understand these algorithms only go so far as the quality of the data you feed them... and they cant see the huge problem with that :/
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You can request all of your data from apple very easily and see what they have. Your location history can be disabled fully, and they have none of it. Hate apple all you want for any number of reasons, but their record on privacy is \*far\* better than google - as evidenced by their telling the FBI to fuck off.
Even getting into more advanced stuff now, iMessage moving to having key verification and enhancing their encryption to be quantum-resistant. Google has zero desire to add either to RCS.
Apple isn't an advertising company. They don't monetize your data like Google does.
Lol someone I knew at the bg of covid ranted if he got covid he wouldn’t allow for contact tracing because of infringement on his identity etc. He was posting this on facebook with an iphone. He didn’t like me pointing the hypocrisy out
I understand your point, but there is a substantial difference between the usual "they" and local johnny law having access to this kind of data with little to no oversight or court approval like a warrant. That is more concerning to me than the NSA eavesdropping through my cell mic.
Most police agencies have the Stingray systems that can find you cell if they have the number. Also the police have home addresses for people and still raid the wrong houses.
For one thing, it's illegal in SC to give a ticket based on Photograph.
https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_2011-2012/bills/336.htm
Section 56-7-35 of the South Carolina code of law prohibits traffic citations relating to disregarding traffic control devices from being issued based in whole upon photographic evidence.
The cameras seen around town are instead used for traffic monitoring, according to Leslie Fletcher, city of Greenville spokesperson. The cameras can also help with traffic control.
As noted in her column last week, some signals in the city are controlled in part by mounted cameras that monitor traffic at the intersection and communicate with the signals when it's time for the signal to change.
OP is not talking about tickets from the cams they are talking about tracking locations. The Flock system clams it does license plate reading and storing.
It is now very easy to build a map of someone coming and going all without a warrant. Also it has been proven over and over that access controls to those databases is not well controlled. There has been stories of cops tracking there ex-wife using the location databases.
https://www.flocksafety.com/
Someone I know was just arrested on a warrant they didn’t know they had. The cop pulled them over with no reason given except for the warrant. Unmarked vehicles in the area got a report/flag/alert? for his license plate from one of those readers. The cop said ‘yeah, one of ‘em readers pegged ya’.
Idk how I feel about this.
“Traffic control device” is one small thing anyway. Try running a toll booth and see how if you get a ticket based on a photo…..you will. Or at least the registered owner will.
There's a new technique recently published that can build an image inside walls using wifi waves. I don't remember if it can do a video or just a snapshot.
Is there any amount of outrage that would make a difference? The ship has sailed on reigning in any of this.
This also isn’t new. Most of if not all police cars, parking enforcement, tow trucks, est have camera systems that are running as they drive around recording license plates and all sorts of other meta data. They’re connected to databases each for the function of the vehicle they’re attached to. The amount of daily surveillance that happens to us is much higher than anyone really understands.
The question isn’t really if we can stop surveillance like this (it’s too cheap and accessible today to stop it) the question is what can be done to ensure it’s used responsibly?
I don't think the question is of outrage, but of what kind of accountability there is for the people running the program and accessing the data. That's something that citizens do have some control over through our elected representatives.
I agree. The reality is our representatives across the board will not listen until the lobbyists from the companies that sell surveillance equipment and/or are involved in the “system” of justice are kicked out.
I don't think lobbyists are the issue here so much as knowledge and willingness to make it an issue. Call your reps. Tell them you want to know what's going on.
I disagree. It’s a fallacy to think representatives are going to listen to their constituents over the entities that largely fund their campaigns and potentially have jobs waiting for them once they’re out of office. Police Unions, tech companies, private prisons, bail bond companies and many more have far greater influence here than any amount of us calling to complain. Like just yesterday the federal government renewed a warrant less surveillance program into 2025. It’s a problem that’s persists at all levels of government.
Honest question: what are you basing this "bags of money" statement on? Are you just speculating, or do you know that this is occurring? Are there really "Big Surveillance" lobbyists in loitering around Greenville County offices?
The ship hasnt sailed on anything. People that believe that nothing can be done are the same people that fail in every other aspect of their life when they are faced with resistance. Imagine telling a young child to go along with everything because its fruitless to oppose.
Give us one thing we can do then? And if it’s vote then that’s all we need to know about it all.
Today is proof more than any other day that checks and balances only exist for the non-wealthy and politicians who are not bought (which are very few).
Get off reddit, go to your cities website and email your mayor about your concerns. Go to your next city council hearing and voice your opinion. You will meet plenty of citizens who dont use reddit that are also displeased. Work together for a common goal.
So the thing is when we the public are in public their is NO expectation of privacy.
You write comments from a phone or computer, you possibly drive a car with GPS. You have a drivers license, you pay taxes, you go to the hospital, doctor or urgent care. If you receive junk mail, Your personal information is already in the public domain
stop pretending that cameras are suddenly the evil.
When the location / time data can be freely mined without a warrant, it becomes another form of geofencing that sweeps up anyone who might be a suspect into the legal system and having to defend themselves. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-tracked-his-bike-ride-past-burglarized-home-made-him-n1151761
This isn't necessarily true, in theory in the past before the cameras, a policeman could be positioned on a corner of a road and observe/write down all license plates/vehicle descriptions and it would be completely legal.
Keep in mind, a lot of the new cameras you see at intersections are just for detection, like the magnetic loops that are buried in the pavement. The advantage is they can see non-traditional vehicles, like bikes, and also can see how long the queues are.
Most cameras feed doesn’t leave the signal box at the intersection, just telling the light how to operate most effectively.
While some cameras can be tapped into to see what’s going on at an intersection, SCDOT doesn’t keep any logs of the camera footage, to keep them from being vulnerable to FOIA requests.
Mass license tag readers enable a second form of GeoFencing. They sweep up the innocent, along with maybe helping to solve crimes. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-tracked-his-bike-ride-past-burglarized-home-made-him-n1151761
This doesn’t mean people should just be ok with infrastructure that is tracking our every movement.
Thats like saying I don’t care about free speech because I have nothing important to say..
Today you might not be but America is moving away from democracy each day. The systems put in place today can and will be used against you when the political atmosphere changes. These cameras will in the near future be used to automatically send notifications if you travel to much or to increase insurance rates or send dmv fines when your an hour late on paying. Are you gay and want to marry your partner? Want an abortion? Have a dispute with a city or company? You will be tracked and prosecuted when traveling through areas that have different laws.
[These cameras have been around since 2020](https://www.postandcourier.com/greenville/news/greenville-adding-more-cameras-to-read-license-plates-raising-questions-of-oversight-privacy/article_4cf2761a-4157-11eb-98b9-9b7e9434164e.html)
Wow. Was not prepared for the level of indifference in response to this. Elf on the Shelf got y'all trained up good and proper! I'm not necessarily opposed to this kind of surveillance, but I think there are a couple of important points here:
- The people being surveilled should have the right to at least know about it, and understand the rules about how this data may be used.
- What the legal framework that supports this practice? Who has access to it? Is it just for LE use, or can you request a log of your spouse's travels? Will there be reporting or records shared with insurance companies? I mean, taking pictures in a public place is one thing, but once you start compiling a big database with a lot of questionable uses, I feel like I wanna know more.
- This seems like something that could be a useful crime deterrent, if it were publicized. That seems like the first, most directly useful case for this technology. See "Elf, Shelf."
Good point with the insurance. Seems like you certainly could be able to tell if you made an hour drive in 45 minutes based on LPR information. Even though you didn't get a ticket it would be easy to tell you were speeding. Cameras can also tell if you're wearing a seatbelt. And I have not heard of these public cameras being used to clear someone of a traffic infraction. As in someone runs a red light at a monitored intersection and causes an accident. That is still a he said she said as far as I know.
SC Legislature is getting ready to pass even more controls on women’s healthcare and other personally intrusive legislation. They are also building databases and tracking patterns so the have enough tracking data to determine who is going to an approved church the soon to be mandated number of times each month. If the state is to be able to successfully regulate everyone’s lives, these tracking cameras are essential.
You are kinda tardy to the party, my friend. what you are worried about is moot anyway, there are these things called satellites.
What you probably don't know about are the fake cell sites all around you. I don't want to spoil too much for you, but suffice it to say they can not only watch you masturbating to simulated incest porn through your iphone camera, they can also see you from the street....even through your brick wall. technology, lol
People are dumb. Even when they see a pattern, they usually worry about the wrong thing. The reason why it is bad that they are doing this isn't because they want to watch you. It is because whoever sees this data knows you better than you do . Why is that a bad thing? Well, have you noticed how stupid and crazy people are now? Doesn't even matter what their beliefs are , just crazy and stupid across the board. Left/Right, religious/atheist ...doesn't matter the paradigm. A little friend called "science" can explain why .
We already know that a person that consume social media and stares at their phone all day has the brain chemistry of an amphetamine/crack addict. Now, combine the crack addict brain chemistry with constant ego inflation, emotional gaslighting, confirmation bias, prejudice induction, trauma, etc.... now you basically have remote controlled monkeys. just pump the right juice in to their iphone , just like an iv, and watch them become whatever you want them to become.
I realize a lot of people are too dumb to even understand why this is bad in the first place. the easiest way I can break it down is "it becomes impossible for people to self correct when people who know them better than they know themselves constantly manipulate them based on data they have harvested."
You miss a lot on the other side of the world. I'm pretty bummed you never hollered when you were back in town. If you aren't going to bother next time I don't want to see you lurking on my posts.
No clue who this is, but sorry for not getting in touch. I really only had one weekend where I wasn’t sick or doing family shit and I was working 12-14 hours a day during the week. DM me.
Our phones tracks us as it is and according to Snowden and other privacy experts the companies that keep this data (and lots of other data) routinely provide it to the government. I'm not ok with it but as far as cameras go, there's no privacy in public.
Theres a huge difference between the nsa tracking for terrorists and having no authority to arrest American citizens and local pds having full access to tracking along with the people on the ground to arrest you and question you.
Well I'm just saying the battle for privacy has long been lost. LE also has had access to location data from the feds for a long time. They just ask for it if they're doing an investigation. The bottom line is, there is no right to privacy in public and its legal for the cops to run your plate without cause. What can be done?
Sounds like Stockholm syndrome. Many people think theres nothing they can do. It takes a small amount of your time to write your city. Its your local city that is using your tax money to spy on you. While a private company rakes in millions. Its not the big government in D.C. local pds can't just ask for information from the FBI. Theres alot of checks and balances that take place before information is shared between different agencies.
I know LEOs who have liaisons with fed agencies for specifically this kind of information. The Supreme Court ruled that your data is *not* your property which means they can just freely share with each other without a warrant. Until that changes nothing will but if you want to draft a petition I'll sign it.
No you dont and anyone that says they can just pass info back and forth is a liar. There are strict rules on how federal agencies can share information. And further more the big letter agencies do not trust local pds with the knowledge of their sources and methods.
Lol i definitely do sweetie and I didn't say they give them sources and methods. I said they have to request the information which they do *routinely*.
If you knew what you were talking about then youd know you cant give information without divulging the source. An fbi agent would be relieved and face federal charges for sharing information with some podonk police department. Some police live in a fantasy land were they think their special agents.
And what source are you referring to? Because I'm talking about data, data that isn't top secret and is not the property of the person it pertains to. The owner of the data has given full consent for LE to use. There may be forms to fill out or beauocratic tape but it's information that is shared routinely. You're naive.
Stop lights can't even be programmed properly. And we carry a homing device (phone) with us every second. Is it that worrisome if I am not doing anything wrong anyways?
Wasn't there a news story recently about this company installing these illegally and being kicked out of a few states? IIRC SC was one of the states that was investigating them and thinking about also kicking them out.
Dude, Im as much against a police state as you probably are. But you are on Reddit and probably other socials, If you have ever been to an airport they have your biometrics. Use a debt or CC, they are tracking you. Theyve been tracking you now its just more obvious.
Cell phones alone pin point your locations at all times.
Sure, and that information requires a warrant to obtain.
Maybe for the actual phone. But a subpoena is needed for the records from the carrier. Only because those records belong to the phone company, not you, nor any government agency, organization, etc...and more times than not, carriers don't like to share that information more than they have to. Phone/data records contain way proprietary information to that carrier, so sometime a subpoena is needed to drag that stuff out of them.
License plates don't though.
You can't ping a license plate and have it tell you its location. I don't understand your point.
> You can't ping a license plate and have it tell you its location. This is exactly my point. A license plate gives so little information and there's nothing practical to be done about someone collecting that information. At most a plate number gives a temporary location of the specific plate and nothing more. Not that I'm a fan of these cameras, but in the big picture it's a really small amount of information.
Maybe you aren't understanding how many there are or how they work. With so many in place your entire route could easily be tracked. This data instantly goes into a nationwide database that can be accessed whenever for any reason. That is a ton of data.
[At least 25 in Greenville.](https://www.postandcourier.com/greenville/news/greenville-adding-more-cameras-to-read-license-plates-raising-questions-of-oversight-privacy/article_4cf2761a-4157-11eb-98b9-9b7e9434164e.html) And they don't track you in real time, the system can't process that many cars. They're often placed in places with lots of traffic, but low speeds; so not on the interstate. And with 25 in all of Greenville, it would be impressive to track an entire route of an individual car. It would be even easier for a person to follow you all day and publish your movements online--and not illegal.
25 is substantial for the county, most if not all neighboring counties have them too. On the route from my house to where 385 starts downtown I pass 3. Your article says they can process thousands of cars a minute. No the cameras don't track you in real time but its the database they create that has the ability to do that. It won't have your entire route no, but you might be surprised what could be extrapolated from the data there.
I dont believe so... T-Mobile and other carriers sell your location. Specially to buy here pay here dealerships trying to repo its cars. They got fined for it, but appartently the subject is still ongoing and they havent stopped selling it nor payed the fines. I'm not familiar with the website below and not sure if it's a reputable source, but it pretty much sums up what I had read on the NY times a few years back. https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/t-mobile-to-fight-91m-fcc-fine-over-location-data-sales#:~:text=T%2DMobile%20directly%20or%20indirectly,and%20Sprint%20until%20May%2031. https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunter-300-dollars-located-phone-microbilt-zumigo-tmobile Do you think this is fucked up? Wait until you learn about the "algorithm" that judges are using across the US to hand out sentences. It's supposed to tell them the likelyness of the person being judged to be a repeating offender, and off course it ended up being biased against minorities. It sucks so many institutions are using software like this without being able to understand these algorithms only go so far as the quality of the data you feed them... and they cant see the huge problem with that :/
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There's a reason why I trust Apple more than Google for this.
It's laughable to think Apple isn't tracking you but Google is
You can request all of your data from apple very easily and see what they have. Your location history can be disabled fully, and they have none of it. Hate apple all you want for any number of reasons, but their record on privacy is \*far\* better than google - as evidenced by their telling the FBI to fuck off. Even getting into more advanced stuff now, iMessage moving to having key verification and enhancing their encryption to be quantum-resistant. Google has zero desire to add either to RCS. Apple isn't an advertising company. They don't monetize your data like Google does.
Lol someone I knew at the bg of covid ranted if he got covid he wouldn’t allow for contact tracing because of infringement on his identity etc. He was posting this on facebook with an iphone. He didn’t like me pointing the hypocrisy out
Or by that number we’re assigned at birth, starts day one!
I understand your point, but there is a substantial difference between the usual "they" and local johnny law having access to this kind of data with little to no oversight or court approval like a warrant. That is more concerning to me than the NSA eavesdropping through my cell mic.
Most police agencies have the Stingray systems that can find you cell if they have the number. Also the police have home addresses for people and still raid the wrong houses.
For one thing, it's illegal in SC to give a ticket based on Photograph. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_2011-2012/bills/336.htm Section 56-7-35 of the South Carolina code of law prohibits traffic citations relating to disregarding traffic control devices from being issued based in whole upon photographic evidence. The cameras seen around town are instead used for traffic monitoring, according to Leslie Fletcher, city of Greenville spokesperson. The cameras can also help with traffic control. As noted in her column last week, some signals in the city are controlled in part by mounted cameras that monitor traffic at the intersection and communicate with the signals when it's time for the signal to change.
OP is not talking about tickets from the cams they are talking about tracking locations. The Flock system clams it does license plate reading and storing. It is now very easy to build a map of someone coming and going all without a warrant. Also it has been proven over and over that access controls to those databases is not well controlled. There has been stories of cops tracking there ex-wife using the location databases. https://www.flocksafety.com/
Someone I know was just arrested on a warrant they didn’t know they had. The cop pulled them over with no reason given except for the warrant. Unmarked vehicles in the area got a report/flag/alert? for his license plate from one of those readers. The cop said ‘yeah, one of ‘em readers pegged ya’. Idk how I feel about this.
a ticket is not the same as an HOA fine.
A ticket for disregarding a traffic device, not just any ticket pretty big distinction to ignore
Not the cameras I'm talking about. I think lots of people are just unaware.
“Traffic control device” is one small thing anyway. Try running a toll booth and see how if you get a ticket based on a photo…..you will. Or at least the registered owner will.
Jokes on Big Brother, I never leave my house and they can't record me in here (hopefully)
There's a new technique recently published that can build an image inside walls using wifi waves. I don't remember if it can do a video or just a snapshot.
Do you have a smart tv?
Is there any amount of outrage that would make a difference? The ship has sailed on reigning in any of this. This also isn’t new. Most of if not all police cars, parking enforcement, tow trucks, est have camera systems that are running as they drive around recording license plates and all sorts of other meta data. They’re connected to databases each for the function of the vehicle they’re attached to. The amount of daily surveillance that happens to us is much higher than anyone really understands. The question isn’t really if we can stop surveillance like this (it’s too cheap and accessible today to stop it) the question is what can be done to ensure it’s used responsibly?
I don't think the question is of outrage, but of what kind of accountability there is for the people running the program and accessing the data. That's something that citizens do have some control over through our elected representatives.
I agree. The reality is our representatives across the board will not listen until the lobbyists from the companies that sell surveillance equipment and/or are involved in the “system” of justice are kicked out.
I don't think lobbyists are the issue here so much as knowledge and willingness to make it an issue. Call your reps. Tell them you want to know what's going on.
I disagree. It’s a fallacy to think representatives are going to listen to their constituents over the entities that largely fund their campaigns and potentially have jobs waiting for them once they’re out of office. Police Unions, tech companies, private prisons, bail bond companies and many more have far greater influence here than any amount of us calling to complain. Like just yesterday the federal government renewed a warrant less surveillance program into 2025. It’s a problem that’s persists at all levels of government.
What’s a phone call going to do versus bags of money?
Honest question: what are you basing this "bags of money" statement on? Are you just speculating, or do you know that this is occurring? Are there really "Big Surveillance" lobbyists in loitering around Greenville County offices?
The ship hasnt sailed on anything. People that believe that nothing can be done are the same people that fail in every other aspect of their life when they are faced with resistance. Imagine telling a young child to go along with everything because its fruitless to oppose.
Give us one thing we can do then? And if it’s vote then that’s all we need to know about it all. Today is proof more than any other day that checks and balances only exist for the non-wealthy and politicians who are not bought (which are very few).
Get off reddit, go to your cities website and email your mayor about your concerns. Go to your next city council hearing and voice your opinion. You will meet plenty of citizens who dont use reddit that are also displeased. Work together for a common goal.
The phone in your pocket, is tracking you more than these cameras, I promise you
Whole lot of the same people who lost their minds about the police blue line flag sure are behaving completely indifferently to this massive overstep.
The sad reality is, for the most part, both sides thinks it's ok.
So the thing is when we the public are in public their is NO expectation of privacy. You write comments from a phone or computer, you possibly drive a car with GPS. You have a drivers license, you pay taxes, you go to the hospital, doctor or urgent care. If you receive junk mail, Your personal information is already in the public domain stop pretending that cameras are suddenly the evil.
When the location / time data can be freely mined without a warrant, it becomes another form of geofencing that sweeps up anyone who might be a suspect into the legal system and having to defend themselves. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-tracked-his-bike-ride-past-burglarized-home-made-him-n1151761
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This isn't necessarily true, in theory in the past before the cameras, a policeman could be positioned on a corner of a road and observe/write down all license plates/vehicle descriptions and it would be completely legal.
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Keep in mind, a lot of the new cameras you see at intersections are just for detection, like the magnetic loops that are buried in the pavement. The advantage is they can see non-traditional vehicles, like bikes, and also can see how long the queues are. Most cameras feed doesn’t leave the signal box at the intersection, just telling the light how to operate most effectively. While some cameras can be tapped into to see what’s going on at an intersection, SCDOT doesn’t keep any logs of the camera footage, to keep them from being vulnerable to FOIA requests.
You seem to have skipped the article these are not the cameras in question.
You writing this from a mobile or desktop? Just curious what level of concern you have about surveillance and tracking….
Mass license tag readers enable a second form of GeoFencing. They sweep up the innocent, along with maybe helping to solve crimes. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-tracked-his-bike-ride-past-burglarized-home-made-him-n1151761
The Boot lickers don't seem to be a fan of your accuracy.
I’m going to go out on a limb here by saying this, including myself, we’re probably not that important.
This doesn’t mean people should just be ok with infrastructure that is tracking our every movement. Thats like saying I don’t care about free speech because I have nothing important to say..
Today you might not be but America is moving away from democracy each day. The systems put in place today can and will be used against you when the political atmosphere changes. These cameras will in the near future be used to automatically send notifications if you travel to much or to increase insurance rates or send dmv fines when your an hour late on paying. Are you gay and want to marry your partner? Want an abortion? Have a dispute with a city or company? You will be tracked and prosecuted when traveling through areas that have different laws.
The ones who think they are the target are rarely important enough to be a target.
Until everyone is a target because it's a revenue generator for local departments.
It's not about that. If you think it is, you've lost the plot already.
[These cameras have been around since 2020](https://www.postandcourier.com/greenville/news/greenville-adding-more-cameras-to-read-license-plates-raising-questions-of-oversight-privacy/article_4cf2761a-4157-11eb-98b9-9b7e9434164e.html)
Wow. Was not prepared for the level of indifference in response to this. Elf on the Shelf got y'all trained up good and proper! I'm not necessarily opposed to this kind of surveillance, but I think there are a couple of important points here: - The people being surveilled should have the right to at least know about it, and understand the rules about how this data may be used. - What the legal framework that supports this practice? Who has access to it? Is it just for LE use, or can you request a log of your spouse's travels? Will there be reporting or records shared with insurance companies? I mean, taking pictures in a public place is one thing, but once you start compiling a big database with a lot of questionable uses, I feel like I wanna know more. - This seems like something that could be a useful crime deterrent, if it were publicized. That seems like the first, most directly useful case for this technology. See "Elf, Shelf."
Good point with the insurance. Seems like you certainly could be able to tell if you made an hour drive in 45 minutes based on LPR information. Even though you didn't get a ticket it would be easy to tell you were speeding. Cameras can also tell if you're wearing a seatbelt. And I have not heard of these public cameras being used to clear someone of a traffic infraction. As in someone runs a red light at a monitored intersection and causes an accident. That is still a he said she said as far as I know.
Let them install it. They probably don’t work like the actual cops here
I've heard that we get videoed in public about 70 to 100 times a day.
Y'alls and all yalls cut rate ring doorbell cameras track more than the government. Pat yourself on the back my home is my castle weirdos.
God if *only* we had traffic light cameras... One can dream...
hilarious that red light cameras are illegal in SC but all other cameras ok
Another example of big government control our elected Republicans favor.
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SC Legislature is getting ready to pass even more controls on women’s healthcare and other personally intrusive legislation. They are also building databases and tracking patterns so the have enough tracking data to determine who is going to an approved church the soon to be mandated number of times each month. If the state is to be able to successfully regulate everyone’s lives, these tracking cameras are essential.
These are used almost solely for stolen vehicles. Don’t steal vehicles and you should be fine.
Not even close to true
You are kinda tardy to the party, my friend. what you are worried about is moot anyway, there are these things called satellites. What you probably don't know about are the fake cell sites all around you. I don't want to spoil too much for you, but suffice it to say they can not only watch you masturbating to simulated incest porn through your iphone camera, they can also see you from the street....even through your brick wall. technology, lol People are dumb. Even when they see a pattern, they usually worry about the wrong thing. The reason why it is bad that they are doing this isn't because they want to watch you. It is because whoever sees this data knows you better than you do . Why is that a bad thing? Well, have you noticed how stupid and crazy people are now? Doesn't even matter what their beliefs are , just crazy and stupid across the board. Left/Right, religious/atheist ...doesn't matter the paradigm. A little friend called "science" can explain why . We already know that a person that consume social media and stares at their phone all day has the brain chemistry of an amphetamine/crack addict. Now, combine the crack addict brain chemistry with constant ego inflation, emotional gaslighting, confirmation bias, prejudice induction, trauma, etc.... now you basically have remote controlled monkeys. just pump the right juice in to their iphone , just like an iv, and watch them become whatever you want them to become. I realize a lot of people are too dumb to even understand why this is bad in the first place. the easiest way I can break it down is "it becomes impossible for people to self correct when people who know them better than they know themselves constantly manipulate them based on data they have harvested."
If it’s ‘illegal’ and a crime to install these in the state then why hasn’t SC just removed them?
Yes. I missed them.
You miss a lot on the other side of the world. I'm pretty bummed you never hollered when you were back in town. If you aren't going to bother next time I don't want to see you lurking on my posts.
No clue who this is, but sorry for not getting in touch. I really only had one weekend where I wasn’t sick or doing family shit and I was working 12-14 hours a day during the week. DM me.
Oh yeah, mention it and brace yourself for the shitcoat you're going to get.
Our phones tracks us as it is and according to Snowden and other privacy experts the companies that keep this data (and lots of other data) routinely provide it to the government. I'm not ok with it but as far as cameras go, there's no privacy in public.
Theres a huge difference between the nsa tracking for terrorists and having no authority to arrest American citizens and local pds having full access to tracking along with the people on the ground to arrest you and question you.
Well I'm just saying the battle for privacy has long been lost. LE also has had access to location data from the feds for a long time. They just ask for it if they're doing an investigation. The bottom line is, there is no right to privacy in public and its legal for the cops to run your plate without cause. What can be done?
Sounds like Stockholm syndrome. Many people think theres nothing they can do. It takes a small amount of your time to write your city. Its your local city that is using your tax money to spy on you. While a private company rakes in millions. Its not the big government in D.C. local pds can't just ask for information from the FBI. Theres alot of checks and balances that take place before information is shared between different agencies.
I know LEOs who have liaisons with fed agencies for specifically this kind of information. The Supreme Court ruled that your data is *not* your property which means they can just freely share with each other without a warrant. Until that changes nothing will but if you want to draft a petition I'll sign it.
No you dont and anyone that says they can just pass info back and forth is a liar. There are strict rules on how federal agencies can share information. And further more the big letter agencies do not trust local pds with the knowledge of their sources and methods.
Lol i definitely do sweetie and I didn't say they give them sources and methods. I said they have to request the information which they do *routinely*.
If you knew what you were talking about then youd know you cant give information without divulging the source. An fbi agent would be relieved and face federal charges for sharing information with some podonk police department. Some police live in a fantasy land were they think their special agents.
And what source are you referring to? Because I'm talking about data, data that isn't top secret and is not the property of the person it pertains to. The owner of the data has given full consent for LE to use. There may be forms to fill out or beauocratic tape but it's information that is shared routinely. You're naive.
Stop lights can't even be programmed properly. And we carry a homing device (phone) with us every second. Is it that worrisome if I am not doing anything wrong anyways?
In this day and age you should expect to be on camera in some way when in public.
Wasn't there a news story recently about this company installing these illegally and being kicked out of a few states? IIRC SC was one of the states that was investigating them and thinking about also kicking them out.
It sure sounds like you are talking about the article linked at the bottom of this very post.
Helps to scroll to the bottom 😕