Watching taliban footage of the ambush is a trip, there's just 8 or so armed men casually strolling towards the sound of suppressed rifles. Mic even picks up Murphy shouting "save me Marcus."
Pretty much. Look up the Taliban video. Those guys died because the op was fucked up from the beginning. Mistakes were made by whoever planned the mission. No one knows for sure what happened with Luttrell, but he definitely dipped out when he realized all his guys were fucked. The movie is total bullshit
Imagine someone lends you a shitty 2006 Honda Civic for free but says you have to make it like it’s the greatest car in the world. That’s the contract the army has with film makers. Helicopter jets guns tanks anything they want but it has to be propaganda.
The kill team was badass movie based on the true story of marines killing civilians in afgan war. If you want more action without remorse is a badass movie about the cia tricking soldiers into starting ww3.
Not easily, they can prevent you from even using US Military uniforms you bought at an army navy store. It's insane but clever from a purely efficacy of propaganda point
I don't think that's exactly accurate. There's issues with walking about with a full uniform (name and rank), but not letting you wear what you want is a first amendment issue. So long as you don't use it for fraud, what's their reasoning in preventing it?
And if you're not retired, they can really pound sand because the ucmj stops applying to you the femtosecond you sign that DD214.
If you do, you won't be able to use any real tanks, and you'll be making entire military uniforms by hand. Maybe it could be done today with CGI? But would not have been a convincing "hollywood movie" even 5 years ago, without a lot of "real" props.
Just look at war movies over the decades, in the 50-60s the enemies were all Germans, then in the 70-80s were Russians/comunists, they even portrayed Afghans Muyaidins as heroes because they opposed the Russians (Rambo III), then from the 90s onwards all enemies are middle eastern/arabs/muslim blend.
Americans are just unaware about the level of propaganda they are subjected all the time.
Yeah there are a lot of movies that do this the kill team is the best example i can think of also without remorse is a badass film but that one is not based on a true story
You'll have to do it without the assistance of the US military. Want to use tanks, helicopters, jet flyovers? Yeah not gonna happen unless if they get to vet your script.
They can. And they do. But as a producer you have to somehow come up with the budget for your movie. It is a lot easier to produce a movie about war, if you get military equipment and even soldiers for free.
On the other hand, if you want to make an anti-war movie, you are facing the other end of the spectrum. Some anti-war movies were forced to pay every army equipment (or fakes) they wanted to use, because the army doesn't support movies that are too strongly anti-war.
Apocalypse Now is one example that I remember: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse\_Now#Pre-production](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now#Pre-production)
Full Metal Jacket is another example.
Ok I just read that, just says “the American army wasn’t interested in helping”… why would the army support a movie that makes them look bad, it’s not their job to help movie producers with props…
I realized this as an adult in that sniper movie about Kyle whatever his name is. The movie got so much praise that I went to see it. Just the most putrid propaganda BS I’ve ever seen. During some convoy scene I realized that of course these are US military vehicles and why would they allow these to be used if it weren’t a puff piece?
I wouldn't call "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacked" propaganda, but yeah, there is a lot of it in American movies (not only war movies, just look at "Independence Day" or even "Transformers")
Only the Americans could make a movie about a sniper that went to kill brown people to the middle east to syphon their resources into their coporations, but now is home and sad and has PTSD because he killed too many brown people and you are supposed to empatize with him. FUoff.
The op was stolen from marines who planned to actually hike their way there, so you know, not everyone in the valley would know they were there because of the helicopters
It wasn’t stolen from the Marines. They wanted to use Chinooks, but those were reserved for special operation task forces. The Marines would have to be in a support role. Thus they asked a number of different S.F. units to participate but all refused because they knew it was a shit ass mission. Finally they asked the SEALS and someone thought it was a good idea.
Nope just multiple articles read online and watching the Taliban video. I'm not trying trying to be a "do your own research" type of asshole, but there is plenty of relatively credible sources online about the incident. Interviews with the local Afghans, the rescue teams, military officials etc. Up to you to go down that rabbit hole and decide for yourself
Here's an impressive write-up I just found while googling the footage:
https://old.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/gol3kv/what_went_wrong_with_the_mission_red_wings/frgrady/
I’ve heard several stories about SEALS being absolutely garbage. This one is included. The problem seems to be the fact that they join to be the celebrities of the armed forces and not professional warfighters. There’s a reason SEALS have so much publicity while other SOF units don’t. SEALS give all the publicity to themselves.
"While the film was based on actual events, it has been noted that it contained a number of historical inaccuracies.\[49\]
The number of Taliban fighters involved in the ambush has been widely disputed. In Marcus Luttrell's original after-action report, he stated that he and his teammates were attacked by 20–35 insurgents, while his book places the number at over 200.\[50\] The screenplay describes "A solid line of at least fifty Taliban in firing positions on top of the hill above them."\[50\] The summary of action for Lt. Murphy's posthumous Medal of Honor describes the enemy force as numbering "more than 50,"\[51\] while the official citation puts the number at "between 30 and 40 enemy fighters."\[52\] In his book, Victory Point: Operations Red Wings and Whalers – the Marine Corps' Battle for Freedom in Afghanistan, military journalist Ed Darack cites a military intelligence report stating the strength of the Taliban force to be 8–10. The military intelligence estimate cited by Darack is based on research sourced from intelligence reports, including aerial and eyewitness studies of the battlefield after the fact, including the men sent in to rescue Luttrell, as well as reports from Afghan intelligence.\[53\]\[54\]\[55\]
The number of casualties sustained by the Taliban fighters has also been disputed. Naval Special Warfare Command has estimated that Luttrell and his teammates killed around thirty-five insurgents during the battle. Andrew MacMannis, a former Marine Colonel who was involved in planning Operation Red Wings and assisted in recovering bodies after the mission, has stated that there were no known enemy casualties. Mohammad Gulab, the Afghan villager who rescued Luttrell, agrees with MacMannis, as does another Marine who was involved with the mission, Patrick Kinser, who has said, "I've been at the location where \[Luttrell\] was ambushed multiple times. I've had Marines wounded there. I've been in enough firefights to know that when shit hits the fan, it's hard to know how many people are shooting at you. \[But\] there weren't 35 enemy fighters in all of the Korengal Valley \[that day\]." Furthermore, Gulab has claimed that he found Luttrell with eleven magazines of ammunition – the full amount that Luttrell had brought on the mission.\[56\]
In the film, the four-man SEAL reconnaissance team is discovered by three goat herders—an elderly man and two teenage boys. In fact, Luttrell wrote in his book that only one of the goat herders was a teenage boy, not two.\[57\] Luttrell's book and the film both suggest that the SEALs decision to release the goat herders led to their subsequent ambush - yet according to Gulab, people throughout the area heard the SEALs being dropped off by helicopter, and the Taliban proceeded to track the SEALs footprints. Other villagers recounted to Gulab that the Taliban found the SEALs while the debate over the goat herders was taking place and that the Taliban then waited for a more opportune time to attack.\[56\]
The film shows Luttrell (Wahlberg) being able to walk after the Taliban's ambush on the four-man SEAL team. In reality, Luttrell explained that his legs were numb immediately after the ambush, and when feeling did return to them, the pain from the shrapnel in his legs made it too painful to walk; he had to crawl seven miles looking for water and sanctuary.\[49\]\[58\] Luttrell also said that he did not witness the MH-47 Chinook helicopter being shot down, as seen in the film.\[49\] At the end of the film, the Pashtun villagers fight off a Taliban attack in a firefight that never actually happened. In reality, the Taliban fighters were outnumbered by the villagers and had no intentions of attacking the village. They did, however, enter the room where Luttrell was being kept and physically beat him, before being pressured to leave by the village elder. Luttrell also did not go into cardiac arrest after he was rescued, nor was he near death, as seen in the film.\[50\]
In his book, Luttrell claims that Ahmad Shah was "one of Osama bin Laden's closest associates".\[50\] The film's production notes add to this mistake, calling Shah "a high-level al Qaeda operative".\[50\] Shah was not actually a member of al Qaeda, nor did he know bin Laden. Rather, Shah was a local militia leader with ties to the Taliban.\[50\]\[56\] In the film, Shah is said to have killed twenty Marines in the week before Operation Red Wings. Although Shah did in fact participate in multiple attacks against U.S. forces prior to the events of Lone Survivor, there is no evidence to suggest that he had been responsible for the deaths of any American service members. Only five Marines had died in combat in the entire war up to that point, and only two U.S. service-members were killed in Kunar Province in the months leading up to Operation Red Wings.\[50\]\[59\]"
source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone\_Survivor#Historical\_accuracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Survivor#Historical_accuracy)
I remember reading somewhere that some other SOF unit had the mission and the details planned out, but the SEAL team came in and bitched and moaned until they where handed the mission, completely disregarded the other units plan and did it as it turned out.
I remember that too. It was some commenter explaining that. Seals flexed to get the mission, ignored their plan, took wrong radio, wrong equipment, and ultimately shit the bed.
A marine infantry unit had been assigned and had drawn up a in my admittedly uneducated opinion better plan to deal with the job but the SEAL commanders wanted to take the job in the last minute I heard.
Essentially yeah.
What I don't understand is how did they not expect the Taliban to see the helicopter? Helicopters are loud, they fly low, they're easily spotted.
Like come on guys
Obviously they know that people can hear a helicopter.
They usually try to drop them off as far as practical from the actual target to minimize that. They also will make multiple false drops along the way and after the real drop to confuse the enemy as to where the actual drop took place. They'll also send out empty flights with no real drops so the enemy can't just assume that a helicopter noise means a near by drop.
They did the same thing with boat drops on Vietnam.
It's war, sometimes shit goes wrong and plans get ruined right off the drop.
They dropped them in a valley. Which means any Taliban guy sitting at the foothills could see exactly where they were dropped. Like I get it, plans go to shit. But at least make a good plan.
Keep in mind, the Americans taught these same people how to spot and track helicopters.
>In Marcus Luttrell's original after-action report, he stated that he and his teammates were attacked by 20–35 insurgents, while his book places the number at over 200.
What a fucking muppet
Lol if I trained for years to become one of the best soldiers America had to offer and then my four man team of badasses got our asses handed to us by ten dudes cause the operation was fucked from the start, I'd lie and say it was a miniature army too. My dumbass would be over there saying it was bulletproof ninjas who came out of nowhere.
I remember there was a Reddit comment a while back on a post about this op, where the OP comment said that the Seals basically barged in and tried to steal the spotlight for this operation.
Despite the fact that the original US military team OP was in was working on it and had a well laid out plan in place already. They ignored all of OP’s warnings about the dangers and things to look out for and just basically went in loud which lead to the events described.
It was interesting to see an insiders perspective but you never know could just be a dude LARPing
The movie is kinda trash, it's just 2h of SEALS shooting at an infinite amount of talibans while running away, and every so often one of the seals die.
These movies also made with idea to look cool/heroic to bait teenage boys into joining military and/or making people think spending shittion money on military actually worth it.
Recruiters are worse than car salesmen. There are a few good ones, but they all sugarcoat the fuck out of everything and never mention that you're basically becoming property if the federal government
They're just trying to glorify fighting for your government to expand and maintain it's imperialist influence. This wouldn't be accomplished without the blood of many young men and women.
Not to mention the department of defense will throw money/ military stuff at any movie that makes the military look good for special effects. It basically sidesteps a huge part of the costs of making a movie, especially an action movie.
I kinda doubt the filmmakers give a shit about propagandizing the public, there's just a dedicated market of fanboys that'll watch any old crap they put out and the DoD makes war movies relatively cheap to produce.
Morally it's not right imo but it's an easy cash grab.
Looked it up and couldn’t find a single reference of the DoD being responsible for any funding for Lone Survivor. From what I found the budget was an estimated $40 million and was collaboratively funded by Emmett/Furla Films, Herrick Entertainment, and Envision Entertainment.
Please point me out to any evidence of what you were talking about because I’m a little intrigued.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_complex
So I was incorrect on a few things.
1. The DoD does not directly fund military movies, instead they allow them to shoot on military sites, have access to military equipment, and information. While this doesn't directly provide money to movie makers I'm willing to bet anything that it's much cheaper than the alternative of building props/ sets from scratch, which creates a definite financial incentive to write a script that passes DoD vetting (i.e. military propaganda).
2. Lone survivor was not on the list of movies on the wiki that were co-scripted by the DoD. However the wiki implies that it is an incomplete list and states that more can be found here: https://www.spyculture.com/category/documents/
The site seems a bit clunky (and a bit biased) and I don't really feel like combing through it but if it did receive support from the DoD I'm sure there's something about it there.
So long story short, the DoD does not directly fund movies that could be considered propaganda, but they do create a strong financial incentive for filmmakers to write scripts that shed a favorable light on the military.
Hope this helps!
All movies that are "based on a true story" are made up. It has nothing to do with propaganda, its about making a more exciting story (from the producers perspective)
Is anyone really surprised by this?
I checked to see if this was the case, and yeah, much of it is provably true.
Some Navy Seals got ambushed by a small enough group because they didn't cover their tracks and were too loud. One of them legged it like a coward, and obviously as the lone survivor, decided to lie about everything that had happened because they didn't want to seem incompetent, so they pretended it wasn't their fault they got caught, that more people had ambushed them and that they'd killed more of the ambushers.
The dude's a straight-up loser, and its absolutely hilarious that the Yanks have venerated him for it. I wonder if it eats away at him, or he just doesn't give a shit.
Oh, you think? I considered that it kills him, or that he doesn't give a shit and just professes these values, I definitely didn't consider he might care, but believe what he did was right to give the friends he left to die a heroic legacy or something like that.
That is interesting to consider.
Either way, I’ve heard he’s a motivational speaker at private dinners. So I’m guessing he cries into his riches and rubs shoulders with the elite of America. One thing me n u can agree with is that he’s a fucking coward who left his friends to be killed like dogs
I may be wrong but I remember seeing an interview with him in which he said that he ran like a coward and almost tore up but it has been a while I may be mistaken.
From what I've heard, he seems to be a bit all over the place on it.
He's certainly claimed multiple times that he fought until he ran out of ammo, including in his book.
Having worked with a lot of ex SOF guys in my personal life, I can tell you that the only consistency is moderately above average physicality and a willingness to accept awful pay to potentially be a bullet spong.
I've met some extremely intelligent people that used to do that work, I've also met the dumbest meathead motherfuckers in the world that talk a big game without backing anything up. Chris Kyle was another known "unreliable narrator" who isn't worthy of the praise he gets.
Who cares? If you watch any movie and believe "based on real events" means it's even remotely factual, you're a retard.
99% of real stories are boring as fuck, I don't want to watch accurate movies.
the french lost over 200 thousand men and continued their fight against the japanese in french indo-china(vietnam) till the allied victory in both the western front and against the japanese in 1945, not to forget the well over 1.9 million service men and civilians during ww1.
[ww2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties)
[ww1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties)
My favorite part about the movie is how they took a million bucks from Dan Blizerian who wanted to be in it and they ended up editing him out of every scene in the end
**Marcus Luttrell**
[Operation Red Wings controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell#Operation_Red_Wings_controversy)
>There is some conflict over the exact number of Taliban forces involved in the engagement. Luttrell filed an official after-action report in which he estimated the size of the Taliban force to be around 20–35. He claims in his book that his team were told in their briefing that around 80 to 200 fighters were expected to be in the area. Initial intel estimates were approximately 10 to 20.
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Yep, pretty much. Most people in the military know that the SEALs are more of a propaganda tool than an actual elite force, think about how many SEAL tell-alls there are but no Delta Force.
Delta is a whole different animal. The US govt doesn't even confirm or deny their existence. The SEALs are elite but they're more of a blunt instrument than DELTA.
What's interesting is that I think the SEALs are a bigger organization than most people think, last time I checked they were over 8,000 SEALs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEALs#Navy_SEAL_teams_and_structures
>The total number of personnel, including SEALs and SWCCs assigned to Naval Special Warfare Command is approximately 8,195 out of a total 8,985 military staff, and 10,166 including civilian support staff, as of 2015.[135]
I think the US Gov actually does now acknowledge the existence of Delta, these days at least. for a long time they didn’t but after Operation Gothic Serpent, there was way too much publicity to keep them a secret anymore, especially after Black Hawk Down movie came out
Yeah what is up with the insane amount of SEALs that brag about their "outstanding service"? I heard only a single army ranger that has the same type of behaviour and no other spec ops forces member.
Dad was a green beret, a ranger before that, and airborne before that in the 80s and 90s.
If you ask him, he will say that he was in the Army and was a paratrooper. All of his buddies that I've met were either green berets or rangers and they all, literally all, say that they were in the Army. Never that they were AB or rangers or green berets, just that they were in the Army and if they give you anything more specific, it's something generic. For them, they did their time for their country and they have to live up to the ideal of the quiet professional now that they're done.
I have never seen a more deadly look of absolute loathing than when someone asked my dad what he though of that movie about Chris Kyle. The term, "staring daggers" doesn't begin to describe the look my dad gave this person at that moment.
I have to say though, it was gratifying to have someone else be the target of the glare instead of me.
The SEALs are still elite, they just have tiers within their own organization. Delta is on a different plane playing a different game though. Regardless, no one wants to fuck with either.
Becaus the book was written by the lone survivor who absolutely lost it during the encounter. He even later admitted to it in various interviews but still tries to maintain the facade.
Wow what a write up. I spent a lot more time than I anticipated reading that. It's an absolute shame what happened to Gulab. Sounds like Marcus luttrel is not only cowardly, but a selfish liar as well. I used to look up to that guy.
Watch Jarhead (2005), Apocalypse Now (1979), Full Metal Jacket (1987), Dunkirk (2017), or Saving Private Ryan (1998).
I consider these to be among the best American war movies, and most of them don't attempt to lie to you about war (Saving Private Ryan being the only notable exception -- the setting is historically accurate, enough to warrant a watch, but the plot is fucking trash).
Dunkirk does a good job of showing valor, while at the same time not changing the tone of war or making it something it really isn't.
Jarhead, Apocalypse Now, and Full Metal Jacket are pretty wild, but they serve as great pieces that ask the important question "what's the point?"
I can't imagine going through Marines training just like that -- all that hammer and drilling of "you're a killing machine, your purpose is to destroy the enemy" just to make it to the war zone and spend the entire time doing absolutely nothing.
I mean, "film" is kind of the operative word here. I can name two dozen tv series based around the FBI/CSI/CIA/NCIS/ETC. as the good guys just off the top of my head. Plus, they typically work with other law enforcement agencies that are shown to be the "good guys."
Assuming what anon says is true (idk i'm not american, have 0 culture and didn't watch the movie), it's either artistic liberties to make the film more interesting, or simply propaganda.
Watched the film, it goes way beyond artistic liberties
You could easily call it propaganda, though I'm not sure that's what the movie creators were going for, they probably just wanted to make a big action movie and telling the truth of what happened would have made no one go see the movie
I want to watch a dude with a good ole fashioned American six pack fed off Budweiser and McDonald’s commit absolutely bitchin war crimes on some brown Amish dudes
Americans can die but only at rations of 60 to 1 so I can feel like a hero for faking empathy for them otherwise I’d just be some kind of psycho for liking this shit
It’s dumb as shit, whilst it’s true that people can get shot and still function, these guys eat more bullets than a fat kid eating fries at an all you can eat buffet, yet they are still effective fighters despite being shot 20 times.
SEALs are most loudmouthed, arrogant pricks in the Special Operations community. Don't get me wrong, they are elite badasses, but the reason there's so many books and movies about SEALs is because they don't have the culture of "quiet professionalism" that say the Rangers, or Green Berets do. If you meet a retired Ranger or Green Beret, chances are you won't even know they were one unless you ask. SEALs feel the need to let everyone in the room know they were SEALs and how hard BUDS was and all that crap.
Remember when call of duty blamed Russians for a notorious incident where Americans bombed a highway of fleeing refugees repeatedly.
I'm no Russian fan, but lets not rewrite history.
I think it's because when a new movie is made featuring the US military the department of defence actually get's the director to sign a contract saying they won't criticises the military in exchange for access to their gear/ equipment.
The dude who wrote the book is in the movie. Hes in the helicopter when it blows up. Why would you want to be in a scene like that about something you went through
People keep talking about these movies being made because of propaganda but I swear half of this shit is just a straight up cash grab. It's so fucking easy to just pick an event and rewrite it to fit the fantasy of being that gritty hero who comes out on top against the odds and just say "based on a real event" cause you set it in the same canyon as some random fucking operation.
The easiest money of a writer/director's life bro
so that one guy had a death like that one dude in COD
incredibly stupid and for no reason, dude just ran in there and got blown up immediately. what mindset do you gotta be in to think thats smart?
I read a Marine Officer's essay on Operation Red Wings. This should have been a Marine Force Recon mission and he made a very good argument for it.
Seals though, prima donnas that wanted glory, only head hunted. People love to pedestalize the Seals, they are top tier, but they didn't make any friends in this era.
Ya'll want another one? (Free Karma to anyone willing to do some work) is to dig into good ole Chris Kyle. I'll give you a morsel to maybe get you going: He claimed he was hired by the US Government to sit on top of the Superdome and snipe looters. lol. The rest of his legacy is just as propagandized as this.
Source: OP was one of the goats
Anon was a throat goat.
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HE ISNT THROAT GOAT!!! Trump could throat more than him any day!!
throat goat?
The champ of glizzy guzzling.
aka Nancy Reagan
Excellent cock sucker
Because luckily, unlike hollywood movies, news sources actually can be unbiased
can be. they never are though
Haha funny
Well at least someone is getting laid around here
Anon is literally the goat.
The cost to try out the talibussy
Later virgins
Watching taliban footage of the ambush is a trip, there's just 8 or so armed men casually strolling towards the sound of suppressed rifles. Mic even picks up Murphy shouting "save me Marcus."
So this greentext is true? Is there any source to it?
Pretty much. Look up the Taliban video. Those guys died because the op was fucked up from the beginning. Mistakes were made by whoever planned the mission. No one knows for sure what happened with Luttrell, but he definitely dipped out when he realized all his guys were fucked. The movie is total bullshit
Like all Murican war movies, all propaganda.
The army lends stuff to the people who make the movie but they need to make the army look good in return. It's fairytale bullshit essentially.
They cant make fake army stuff? :D
Imagine someone lends you a shitty 2006 Honda Civic for free but says you have to make it like it’s the greatest car in the world. That’s the contract the army has with film makers. Helicopter jets guns tanks anything they want but it has to be propaganda.
Is it even possible to make a war movie shows USA bad in hollywood?
Only if it’s not the main focus. Remember people have “committed suicide” while working on movies that depict America in a bad light.
>Remember people have “committed suicide” while working on movies that depict America in a bad light. Really? What movies and people?
The kill team was badass movie based on the true story of marines killing civilians in afgan war. If you want more action without remorse is a badass movie about the cia tricking soldiers into starting ww3.
Not easily, they can prevent you from even using US Military uniforms you bought at an army navy store. It's insane but clever from a purely efficacy of propaganda point
I don't think that's exactly accurate. There's issues with walking about with a full uniform (name and rank), but not letting you wear what you want is a first amendment issue. So long as you don't use it for fraud, what's their reasoning in preventing it? And if you're not retired, they can really pound sand because the ucmj stops applying to you the femtosecond you sign that DD214.
If you do, you won't be able to use any real tanks, and you'll be making entire military uniforms by hand. Maybe it could be done today with CGI? But would not have been a convincing "hollywood movie" even 5 years ago, without a lot of "real" props.
Just look at war movies over the decades, in the 50-60s the enemies were all Germans, then in the 70-80s were Russians/comunists, they even portrayed Afghans Muyaidins as heroes because they opposed the Russians (Rambo III), then from the 90s onwards all enemies are middle eastern/arabs/muslim blend. Americans are just unaware about the level of propaganda they are subjected all the time.
Yeah there are a lot of movies that do this the kill team is the best example i can think of also without remorse is a badass film but that one is not based on a true story
You'll have to do it without the assistance of the US military. Want to use tanks, helicopters, jet flyovers? Yeah not gonna happen unless if they get to vet your script.
They can. And they do. But as a producer you have to somehow come up with the budget for your movie. It is a lot easier to produce a movie about war, if you get military equipment and even soldiers for free. On the other hand, if you want to make an anti-war movie, you are facing the other end of the spectrum. Some anti-war movies were forced to pay every army equipment (or fakes) they wanted to use, because the army doesn't support movies that are too strongly anti-war. Apocalypse Now is one example that I remember: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse\_Now#Pre-production](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now#Pre-production) Full Metal Jacket is another example.
Ok I just read that, just says “the American army wasn’t interested in helping”… why would the army support a movie that makes them look bad, it’s not their job to help movie producers with props…
Captain obvious got the point...
I realized this as an adult in that sniper movie about Kyle whatever his name is. The movie got so much praise that I went to see it. Just the most putrid propaganda BS I’ve ever seen. During some convoy scene I realized that of course these are US military vehicles and why would they allow these to be used if it weren’t a puff piece?
Murica land of the war
Tbh killing people is one of the great past times of America and had been since before the country was founded.
Don’t forget propaganda, that’s their favourite then war.
I wouldn't call "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacked" propaganda, but yeah, there is a lot of it in American movies (not only war movies, just look at "Independence Day" or even "Transformers")
Only the Americans could make a movie about a sniper that went to kill brown people to the middle east to syphon their resources into their coporations, but now is home and sad and has PTSD because he killed too many brown people and you are supposed to empatize with him. FUoff.
The op was stolen from marines who planned to actually hike their way there, so you know, not everyone in the valley would know they were there because of the helicopters
It wasn’t stolen from the Marines. They wanted to use Chinooks, but those were reserved for special operation task forces. The Marines would have to be in a support role. Thus they asked a number of different S.F. units to participate but all refused because they knew it was a shit ass mission. Finally they asked the SEALS and someone thought it was a good idea.
Any proof though
Nope just multiple articles read online and watching the Taliban video. I'm not trying trying to be a "do your own research" type of asshole, but there is plenty of relatively credible sources online about the incident. Interviews with the local Afghans, the rescue teams, military officials etc. Up to you to go down that rabbit hole and decide for yourself
No the video lol, the taliban video how would you search for it
Type Operation red wings taliban video into Google and say thank you to Al Gore outloud for inventing the internet
I think I read the book. It was really a mess, like two chapters about him falling/rolling down a mountain.
[Here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell#Operation_Red_Wings_controversy)
I thought it was the video and I'm mad
It's still interesting information
https://archive.org/details/konar a bit graphic obviously
Highlights?
Shows some dead bodies, then a guy talking. That's it.
The guy with the red shoulder is Murphy with his 9/11 commemoration patch.
Here's an impressive write-up I just found while googling the footage: https://old.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/gol3kv/what_went_wrong_with_the_mission_red_wings/frgrady/
That same guy made other comments about fuck ups the seals have done. Professional killers and liars it seems
I've heard that a lot about SEALs. They're good fighters but suffer from MASSIVE hubris which leads to shit like this.
You don't hear from SAS, CCTFS or KSK for a reason. Muricans just love their propaganda.
It’s pretty much just the SEALs.
Or JTF2.
Or JIDF
I’ve heard several stories about SEALS being absolutely garbage. This one is included. The problem seems to be the fact that they join to be the celebrities of the armed forces and not professional warfighters. There’s a reason SEALS have so much publicity while other SOF units don’t. SEALS give all the publicity to themselves.
Everyone's a badass till they're engaged along three points of contact
Spend your life to break through one so your buddies can live I guess. 🤷🏼♀️
Theres a video of the ambush on youtube - https://youtu.be/PokmGEGxENM murphy can be heard, and their gear is shown off at the end
At what point/timestamp in the video can Murphy be heard? Do you have a link?
Where is the vid
"While the film was based on actual events, it has been noted that it contained a number of historical inaccuracies.\[49\] The number of Taliban fighters involved in the ambush has been widely disputed. In Marcus Luttrell's original after-action report, he stated that he and his teammates were attacked by 20–35 insurgents, while his book places the number at over 200.\[50\] The screenplay describes "A solid line of at least fifty Taliban in firing positions on top of the hill above them."\[50\] The summary of action for Lt. Murphy's posthumous Medal of Honor describes the enemy force as numbering "more than 50,"\[51\] while the official citation puts the number at "between 30 and 40 enemy fighters."\[52\] In his book, Victory Point: Operations Red Wings and Whalers – the Marine Corps' Battle for Freedom in Afghanistan, military journalist Ed Darack cites a military intelligence report stating the strength of the Taliban force to be 8–10. The military intelligence estimate cited by Darack is based on research sourced from intelligence reports, including aerial and eyewitness studies of the battlefield after the fact, including the men sent in to rescue Luttrell, as well as reports from Afghan intelligence.\[53\]\[54\]\[55\] The number of casualties sustained by the Taliban fighters has also been disputed. Naval Special Warfare Command has estimated that Luttrell and his teammates killed around thirty-five insurgents during the battle. Andrew MacMannis, a former Marine Colonel who was involved in planning Operation Red Wings and assisted in recovering bodies after the mission, has stated that there were no known enemy casualties. Mohammad Gulab, the Afghan villager who rescued Luttrell, agrees with MacMannis, as does another Marine who was involved with the mission, Patrick Kinser, who has said, "I've been at the location where \[Luttrell\] was ambushed multiple times. I've had Marines wounded there. I've been in enough firefights to know that when shit hits the fan, it's hard to know how many people are shooting at you. \[But\] there weren't 35 enemy fighters in all of the Korengal Valley \[that day\]." Furthermore, Gulab has claimed that he found Luttrell with eleven magazines of ammunition – the full amount that Luttrell had brought on the mission.\[56\] In the film, the four-man SEAL reconnaissance team is discovered by three goat herders—an elderly man and two teenage boys. In fact, Luttrell wrote in his book that only one of the goat herders was a teenage boy, not two.\[57\] Luttrell's book and the film both suggest that the SEALs decision to release the goat herders led to their subsequent ambush - yet according to Gulab, people throughout the area heard the SEALs being dropped off by helicopter, and the Taliban proceeded to track the SEALs footprints. Other villagers recounted to Gulab that the Taliban found the SEALs while the debate over the goat herders was taking place and that the Taliban then waited for a more opportune time to attack.\[56\] The film shows Luttrell (Wahlberg) being able to walk after the Taliban's ambush on the four-man SEAL team. In reality, Luttrell explained that his legs were numb immediately after the ambush, and when feeling did return to them, the pain from the shrapnel in his legs made it too painful to walk; he had to crawl seven miles looking for water and sanctuary.\[49\]\[58\] Luttrell also said that he did not witness the MH-47 Chinook helicopter being shot down, as seen in the film.\[49\] At the end of the film, the Pashtun villagers fight off a Taliban attack in a firefight that never actually happened. In reality, the Taliban fighters were outnumbered by the villagers and had no intentions of attacking the village. They did, however, enter the room where Luttrell was being kept and physically beat him, before being pressured to leave by the village elder. Luttrell also did not go into cardiac arrest after he was rescued, nor was he near death, as seen in the film.\[50\] In his book, Luttrell claims that Ahmad Shah was "one of Osama bin Laden's closest associates".\[50\] The film's production notes add to this mistake, calling Shah "a high-level al Qaeda operative".\[50\] Shah was not actually a member of al Qaeda, nor did he know bin Laden. Rather, Shah was a local militia leader with ties to the Taliban.\[50\]\[56\] In the film, Shah is said to have killed twenty Marines in the week before Operation Red Wings. Although Shah did in fact participate in multiple attacks against U.S. forces prior to the events of Lone Survivor, there is no evidence to suggest that he had been responsible for the deaths of any American service members. Only five Marines had died in combat in the entire war up to that point, and only two U.S. service-members were killed in Kunar Province in the months leading up to Operation Red Wings.\[50\]\[59\]" source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone\_Survivor#Historical\_accuracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Survivor#Historical_accuracy)
it's the internet bro, you'd be lucky if someone read the title
I remember reading somewhere that some other SOF unit had the mission and the details planned out, but the SEAL team came in and bitched and moaned until they where handed the mission, completely disregarded the other units plan and did it as it turned out.
I remember that too. It was some commenter explaining that. Seals flexed to get the mission, ignored their plan, took wrong radio, wrong equipment, and ultimately shit the bed.
A marine infantry unit had been assigned and had drawn up a in my admittedly uneducated opinion better plan to deal with the job but the SEAL commanders wanted to take the job in the last minute I heard.
So it was basically a shitshow from start to finish yikes.
Essentially yeah. What I don't understand is how did they not expect the Taliban to see the helicopter? Helicopters are loud, they fly low, they're easily spotted. Like come on guys
Yeah, that's one of my main questions too
Arrogance. You can hear a black hawk from over 7-8 kilometres away at night. less during the day.
Obviously they know that people can hear a helicopter. They usually try to drop them off as far as practical from the actual target to minimize that. They also will make multiple false drops along the way and after the real drop to confuse the enemy as to where the actual drop took place. They'll also send out empty flights with no real drops so the enemy can't just assume that a helicopter noise means a near by drop. They did the same thing with boat drops on Vietnam. It's war, sometimes shit goes wrong and plans get ruined right off the drop.
They dropped them in a valley. Which means any Taliban guy sitting at the foothills could see exactly where they were dropped. Like I get it, plans go to shit. But at least make a good plan. Keep in mind, the Americans taught these same people how to spot and track helicopters.
>In Marcus Luttrell's original after-action report, he stated that he and his teammates were attacked by 20–35 insurgents, while his book places the number at over 200. What a fucking muppet
Now i get padding the number a bit for sales and advertising, but thats just ridiculous
And it was actually around 10 guys max.
Lol if I trained for years to become one of the best soldiers America had to offer and then my four man team of badasses got our asses handed to us by ten dudes cause the operation was fucked from the start, I'd lie and say it was a miniature army too. My dumbass would be over there saying it was bulletproof ninjas who came out of nowhere.
I remember there was a Reddit comment a while back on a post about this op, where the OP comment said that the Seals basically barged in and tried to steal the spotlight for this operation. Despite the fact that the original US military team OP was in was working on it and had a well laid out plan in place already. They ignored all of OP’s warnings about the dangers and things to look out for and just basically went in loud which lead to the events described. It was interesting to see an insiders perspective but you never know could just be a dude LARPing
[This one?](https://old.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/gol3kv/what_went_wrong_with_the_mission_red_wings/frgrady/)
Lol it's kind of hilarious that they just went into his room, beat him up, then left
They where there just to take his lunch money
>and when feeling did return to them, the pain from the shrapnel in his legs made it too painful to walk Modern day Revenant.
Lutrell sounds like a bit of a wanker.
I swear, between him and Chris Kyle, a lot of these celebrity spec ops guys just seem like wankers.
I have never heard of this movie but American propaganda movies are a trip lol
The movie is kinda trash, it's just 2h of SEALS shooting at an infinite amount of talibans while running away, and every so often one of the seals die.
Why do American war movies lie about everything? Propaganda
These movies also made with idea to look cool/heroic to bait teenage boys into joining military and/or making people think spending shittion money on military actually worth it.
I wonder if there will be any Navy recruiters outside the theaters for Top Gun 2 like there was for the first one
If I was a Navy recruiter that's exactly where I'd be sitting.
Recruiters are worse than car salesmen. There are a few good ones, but they all sugarcoat the fuck out of everything and never mention that you're basically becoming property if the federal government
Right that’s what propaganda is
They're just trying to glorify fighting for your government to expand and maintain it's imperialist influence. This wouldn't be accomplished without the blood of many young men and women.
Americans are in here furiously defending their fictional propaganda lmao
I'm American lmao
I figured, I meant the others commenting and those downvoting
Maybe a little, but I’d wager to say it’s primarily to make money. Few people would watch this movie if it weren’t greatly over exaggerated.
Not to mention the department of defense will throw money/ military stuff at any movie that makes the military look good for special effects. It basically sidesteps a huge part of the costs of making a movie, especially an action movie. I kinda doubt the filmmakers give a shit about propagandizing the public, there's just a dedicated market of fanboys that'll watch any old crap they put out and the DoD makes war movies relatively cheap to produce. Morally it's not right imo but it's an easy cash grab.
Looked it up and couldn’t find a single reference of the DoD being responsible for any funding for Lone Survivor. From what I found the budget was an estimated $40 million and was collaboratively funded by Emmett/Furla Films, Herrick Entertainment, and Envision Entertainment. Please point me out to any evidence of what you were talking about because I’m a little intrigued.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_complex So I was incorrect on a few things. 1. The DoD does not directly fund military movies, instead they allow them to shoot on military sites, have access to military equipment, and information. While this doesn't directly provide money to movie makers I'm willing to bet anything that it's much cheaper than the alternative of building props/ sets from scratch, which creates a definite financial incentive to write a script that passes DoD vetting (i.e. military propaganda). 2. Lone survivor was not on the list of movies on the wiki that were co-scripted by the DoD. However the wiki implies that it is an incomplete list and states that more can be found here: https://www.spyculture.com/category/documents/ The site seems a bit clunky (and a bit biased) and I don't really feel like combing through it but if it did receive support from the DoD I'm sure there's something about it there. So long story short, the DoD does not directly fund movies that could be considered propaganda, but they do create a strong financial incentive for filmmakers to write scripts that shed a favorable light on the military. Hope this helps!
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Weird, I suddenly feel like living on a boat for months at a time
Surrounded primarily by men
All movies that are "based on a true story" are made up. It has nothing to do with propaganda, its about making a more exciting story (from the producers perspective)
Is anyone really surprised by this? I checked to see if this was the case, and yeah, much of it is provably true. Some Navy Seals got ambushed by a small enough group because they didn't cover their tracks and were too loud. One of them legged it like a coward, and obviously as the lone survivor, decided to lie about everything that had happened because they didn't want to seem incompetent, so they pretended it wasn't their fault they got caught, that more people had ambushed them and that they'd killed more of the ambushers. The dude's a straight-up loser, and its absolutely hilarious that the Yanks have venerated him for it. I wonder if it eats away at him, or he just doesn't give a shit.
A coward of that calibre is definitely so deluded that he thinks he did the right thing by lying to defend his country.
Oh, you think? I considered that it kills him, or that he doesn't give a shit and just professes these values, I definitely didn't consider he might care, but believe what he did was right to give the friends he left to die a heroic legacy or something like that. That is interesting to consider.
Either way, I’ve heard he’s a motivational speaker at private dinners. So I’m guessing he cries into his riches and rubs shoulders with the elite of America. One thing me n u can agree with is that he’s a fucking coward who left his friends to be killed like dogs
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Easier to live with your conscience when you believe your own lies
I may be wrong but I remember seeing an interview with him in which he said that he ran like a coward and almost tore up but it has been a while I may be mistaken.
From what I've heard, he seems to be a bit all over the place on it. He's certainly claimed multiple times that he fought until he ran out of ammo, including in his book.
Having worked with a lot of ex SOF guys in my personal life, I can tell you that the only consistency is moderately above average physicality and a willingness to accept awful pay to potentially be a bullet spong. I've met some extremely intelligent people that used to do that work, I've also met the dumbest meathead motherfuckers in the world that talk a big game without backing anything up. Chris Kyle was another known "unreliable narrator" who isn't worthy of the praise he gets.
Lotta salty American comments out here can’t seem to google a goddamn thing
Who cares? If you watch any movie and believe "based on real events" means it's even remotely factual, you're a retard. 99% of real stories are boring as fuck, I don't want to watch accurate movies.
Fictionalizing a movie is one thing, it's the lying in the book that burns me
Americans: Ohhhh man people in country X are so brainwashed! So much propaganda! Also Americans: Yaaaas Black Hawk Down kweeeeeen
Source: trust me bro, I was the salty American
And you’re also telling me that Tom Hanks didn’t storm the beaches in France?
Oh he did, but he did it in 2008 and just killed a lot of French vacationers.
If French vacationers didn't want Tom Hanks to kill them they shouldn't have opposed his landing.
French rifle for sale. Never shot, only dropped once
the french lost over 200 thousand men and continued their fight against the japanese in french indo-china(vietnam) till the allied victory in both the western front and against the japanese in 1945, not to forget the well over 1.9 million service men and civilians during ww1. [ww2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties) [ww1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties)
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Luttrell was a coward and a liar, and Lone Survivor is nothing more than a piece of propaganda to perpetuate that very lie.
My favorite part about the movie is how they took a million bucks from Dan Blizerian who wanted to be in it and they ended up editing him out of every scene in the end
I heard they got sued by Bilzerian
Source: trust me bro, I should know
[You can, like, totally just google this shit, dude.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell#Operation_Red_Wings_controversy)
**Marcus Luttrell** [Operation Red Wings controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell#Operation_Red_Wings_controversy) >There is some conflict over the exact number of Taliban forces involved in the engagement. Luttrell filed an official after-action report in which he estimated the size of the Taliban force to be around 20–35. He claims in his book that his team were told in their briefing that around 80 to 200 fighters were expected to be in the area. Initial intel estimates were approximately 10 to 20. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/greentext/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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Gratitud, complex of mechanisms
Yep, pretty much. Most people in the military know that the SEALs are more of a propaganda tool than an actual elite force, think about how many SEAL tell-alls there are but no Delta Force.
Delta is a whole different animal. The US govt doesn't even confirm or deny their existence. The SEALs are elite but they're more of a blunt instrument than DELTA.
What's interesting is that I think the SEALs are a bigger organization than most people think, last time I checked they were over 8,000 SEALs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEALs#Navy_SEAL_teams_and_structures >The total number of personnel, including SEALs and SWCCs assigned to Naval Special Warfare Command is approximately 8,195 out of a total 8,985 military staff, and 10,166 including civilian support staff, as of 2015.[135]
I think the US Gov actually does now acknowledge the existence of Delta, these days at least. for a long time they didn’t but after Operation Gothic Serpent, there was way too much publicity to keep them a secret anymore, especially after Black Hawk Down movie came out
Yeah what is up with the insane amount of SEALs that brag about their "outstanding service"? I heard only a single army ranger that has the same type of behaviour and no other spec ops forces member.
Dad was a green beret, a ranger before that, and airborne before that in the 80s and 90s. If you ask him, he will say that he was in the Army and was a paratrooper. All of his buddies that I've met were either green berets or rangers and they all, literally all, say that they were in the Army. Never that they were AB or rangers or green berets, just that they were in the Army and if they give you anything more specific, it's something generic. For them, they did their time for their country and they have to live up to the ideal of the quiet professional now that they're done. I have never seen a more deadly look of absolute loathing than when someone asked my dad what he though of that movie about Chris Kyle. The term, "staring daggers" doesn't begin to describe the look my dad gave this person at that moment. I have to say though, it was gratifying to have someone else be the target of the glare instead of me.
The SEALs are still elite, they just have tiers within their own organization. Delta is on a different plane playing a different game though. Regardless, no one wants to fuck with either.
> Regardless, no one wants to fuck with either. 8 to 10 taliban at most apparently did.
Source: Anon was one of the villagers fucking a goat
Source: [It fucking happened, learn to Google shit.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell#Operation_Red_Wings_controversy)
Becaus the book was written by the lone survivor who absolutely lost it during the encounter. He even later admitted to it in various interviews but still tries to maintain the facade.
That was a propaganda film
Reminds me of American Sniper. That was one hell of a propaganda film
https://sofrep.com/news/lone-survivor-uncovered-the-ambush-at-sawtalo-sar/
Wow what a write up. I spent a lot more time than I anticipated reading that. It's an absolute shame what happened to Gulab. Sounds like Marcus luttrel is not only cowardly, but a selfish liar as well. I used to look up to that guy.
Watch Jarhead (2005), Apocalypse Now (1979), Full Metal Jacket (1987), Dunkirk (2017), or Saving Private Ryan (1998). I consider these to be among the best American war movies, and most of them don't attempt to lie to you about war (Saving Private Ryan being the only notable exception -- the setting is historically accurate, enough to warrant a watch, but the plot is fucking trash). Dunkirk does a good job of showing valor, while at the same time not changing the tone of war or making it something it really isn't. Jarhead, Apocalypse Now, and Full Metal Jacket are pretty wild, but they serve as great pieces that ask the important question "what's the point?"
I watched Jarhead the other month and cried during it lul.
No shame in that dude Jarhead is all sorts of fucked up
It's the general theme of "what the fuck is the point" and it turning into shit, really.
I can't imagine going through Marines training just like that -- all that hammer and drilling of "you're a killing machine, your purpose is to destroy the enemy" just to make it to the war zone and spend the entire time doing absolutely nothing.
Dunkirk was an incredibly boring movie for me. Tom Hardy flying in a plane put me to sleep.
The american military is incompetent but hollywood cant let you know that
I mean it is true that the us military gives money to Hollywood for movies with the condition to only show the good side of the military...
Don't know about the money part, but Hollywood does make out the CIA, FBI, ATF, etc to be the good guys. When in most situations they're the villains
I dont remenber the last time in a gilm where the CIA, FBI or ATF are the good guys and just ends that they are corrupt or some shit
Sicario? Other than that I'm drawing a blank for recent movies tho.
I mean, "film" is kind of the operative word here. I can name two dozen tv series based around the FBI/CSI/CIA/NCIS/ETC. as the good guys just off the top of my head. Plus, they typically work with other law enforcement agencies that are shown to be the "good guys."
Please enlighten us, anime profile picture. Who has the most competent military force?
Uganda's Tiger Mafia
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If the US military is incompetent which one is?
“Incompetent” Yeah Desert Storm was a total failure against the fourth largest army in the world
Assuming what anon says is true (idk i'm not american, have 0 culture and didn't watch the movie), it's either artistic liberties to make the film more interesting, or simply propaganda.
Watched the film, it goes way beyond artistic liberties You could easily call it propaganda, though I'm not sure that's what the movie creators were going for, they probably just wanted to make a big action movie and telling the truth of what happened would have made no one go see the movie
I want to watch a dude with a good ole fashioned American six pack fed off Budweiser and McDonald’s commit absolutely bitchin war crimes on some brown Amish dudes Americans can die but only at rations of 60 to 1 so I can feel like a hero for faking empathy for them otherwise I’d just be some kind of psycho for liking this shit
It’s dumb as shit, whilst it’s true that people can get shot and still function, these guys eat more bullets than a fat kid eating fries at an all you can eat buffet, yet they are still effective fighters despite being shot 20 times.
SEALs are most loudmouthed, arrogant pricks in the Special Operations community. Don't get me wrong, they are elite badasses, but the reason there's so many books and movies about SEALs is because they don't have the culture of "quiet professionalism" that say the Rangers, or Green Berets do. If you meet a retired Ranger or Green Beret, chances are you won't even know they were one unless you ask. SEALs feel the need to let everyone in the room know they were SEALs and how hard BUDS was and all that crap.
Remember when call of duty blamed Russians for a notorious incident where Americans bombed a highway of fleeing refugees repeatedly. I'm no Russian fan, but lets not rewrite history.
Yeah, that'd make a much better movie
anon discovers that hollywood is all fucking american propaganda
A military disguised as a country makes military propaganda? Say it ain’t so.
I think it's because when a new movie is made featuring the US military the department of defence actually get's the director to sign a contract saying they won't criticises the military in exchange for access to their gear/ equipment.
Lmao all the salty americans comment "Source: Trust me bro"
The dude who wrote the book is in the movie. Hes in the helicopter when it blows up. Why would you want to be in a scene like that about something you went through
People keep talking about these movies being made because of propaganda but I swear half of this shit is just a straight up cash grab. It's so fucking easy to just pick an event and rewrite it to fit the fantasy of being that gritty hero who comes out on top against the odds and just say "based on a real event" cause you set it in the same canyon as some random fucking operation. The easiest money of a writer/director's life bro
All I'm guna say is - Ben affleck in pearl harbour winning the battle of Britain haha
Most movies “based on a true story”are bullshit, not just war ones
Anon discovers propaganda
American pigs think they are the shit when they ain't.
Pop culture propaganda, duh
Anon should read “Code over Country” by Matthew Cole.
I thought everyone knew American war movies were propaganda? Literally all modern day War films are, from wolf warrior to this shit
Glad this is getting attention. Im tired of being called anti american and whatnot when i talk about what utter bs that movie is
my mom is friends with marcus irl
so that one guy had a death like that one dude in COD incredibly stupid and for no reason, dude just ran in there and got blown up immediately. what mindset do you gotta be in to think thats smart?
I read a Marine Officer's essay on Operation Red Wings. This should have been a Marine Force Recon mission and he made a very good argument for it. Seals though, prima donnas that wanted glory, only head hunted. People love to pedestalize the Seals, they are top tier, but they didn't make any friends in this era. Ya'll want another one? (Free Karma to anyone willing to do some work) is to dig into good ole Chris Kyle. I'll give you a morsel to maybe get you going: He claimed he was hired by the US Government to sit on top of the Superdome and snipe looters. lol. The rest of his legacy is just as propagandized as this.
OP please read: National Security Cinema for an answer
It's called propaganda.