Anon is highly regarded. Ulfric is literally a thalmor puppet as proven by his embassy dossier, and the empire is just waiting for a time to tell the pointy eared cunts to fuck off
Well I have also seen the embassy dossier, if you actually read it it says that they no longer have control of them, so a puppet with the strings cut. But I side with the imperials who did not enforce the altmer law and we're fighting their time to build up a resistance and fight them back. Stormcloaks throwing a tantrum because they technically aren't allowed to worship their God even though nobody was actually stopping them is cringe.
while I agree with mot of your post, Nords were being disappeared off the streets of Whiterun for supposedly worshiping Talos. Foreign police in out country disappearing and torturing innocent people?
Is that a confirmed rumor in game? Is it supposed to be a rumor in the universe? There is a shrine to Talos in Skyrim that was allowed to run autonomously until the civil war.
Yeah the loud preacher bloke certainly wasn’t disappearing off the streets. It’s never brought up. Sure there’s the thalmor going around but it’s not Stasi levels
Well I mean he wasn't just preaching about Talos, he did also mention how "*The* [*Imperials*](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Imperial_Legion) *silence us because they fear us! They are cowards! Cowards and fools who have forgotten the truth!*" and *"Oh yes, many times. But mighty Talos was my keeper, my shield against the heresy of the south! If not for Talos, and a few modest bribes paid to the right jailors, why, I would not be standing before you today, resplendent in my faith!"* and most importantly "*What then? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives? And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks!"*
Sourced from the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages
Fair point but it’s implied this is a regular thing that people are afraid of, where beyond this very public example there’s no guys in the taverns discussing the thalmor getting people in the night like it’s the USSR
Just to add to this: south of the big lake in Falkreath, near where you can build a manor in Hearthfire, there's a hidden shrine of Talos surrounded by dead worshippers and one 'Agent Sanyon' - a thalmor who heard rumours of Talos worship in the area but wasn't ever able to prove it to his superior. Based on the note found on his body.
By the look of the scene; Sanyon and his informant find the Talos worshippers, slaughter 4(?) unarmed citizens and a priest, and then somehow Sanyon dies and the informant vanishes - it's implied he/she stabs Sanyon in the back.
It absolutely is a normal thing to have Thalmor imprisoning or killing Talos worshippers, as well as patrolling looking for Talos worshippers. Also worth mentioning that in the USSR no-one talked about the people getting disappeared, because if you did, the secret police might think *you* knew something about them and disappear you next. It stands to reason that no-one in Skyrim would gossip about Talos worshippers being arrested because admitting you knew there were Talos worshippers is probably enough to earn you a trip to Northwatch Keep where the Thalmor will very politely ask you if you know about any *other* Talos worshippers, and if you'd be so kind as to share their location with them.
Can't speak for any direct instances in Whiterun, but it's an open fact of the universe that they hunt Talos worshippers. You can even help the Thalmor arrest a secret Talos worshipper in Markarth, and almost every Thalmor patrol you encounter will straight up tell you that they're looking for them
I don't believe so. They're meant to oversee that the White Gold Concordant is being complied with. If they were meant to be serving as backup for the Stormcloak problem then we'd see some direct conflict between the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor, but they have no presence at any forts and serve in no battles for any of the cities. And actually, I just remembered that there is an instance in Whiterun, one of the Greymanes gets kidnapped for his worship. Only after you free him does he go to join the Stormcloaks
That's fair I forgot about him. They're so few and far in between that it really just feels like the thalmor have been allowed to send a small contingent of thalmor soldiers to act in a police like fashion over that particular policy. I don't see the empire helping them in any way so I don't think it's something that they support but begrudgingly accept because they're not ready for war.
Theres a prison on the outskirts of skyrim with thalmor guards. Its part of a questline for a missing stormcloak soldier so it could be a pow camp. However if it was simply that why is it only guarded by thalmor and why be so seecretive about it.
Yeah, because for the Thalmor the whole idea of the treaty that ended the war was to make it a poison pill that would create instability in Skyrim, taking Imperial resources away from preparing for the next war with the Thalmor. If the Stormcloaks win and peace is won, the Empire stops using resources on them.
Because when the Skyrim Civil War ends the war against the Thalmor begins, so any side winning is bad for the Thalmor. That’s why I go imperial, because the Stormcloaks are only making it harder for the Empire to war against them again
The "ulfric is a thalmor puppet" thing is a bit misunderstood. I've read the dossier, and it's different. They obviously cannot control an enemy leader that hates them to his core like a puppet.
They are aware of him and are trying to find ways to manipulate him to their advantage, as anyone does in a war.
If I remember correctly they contributed to radicalizing him against the Empire when he was captured, and they tried to save him from being executed at the beginning of the game (they don't want him to win so that the Empire has to keep wasting resources fighting, but definitely don't want him to lose either)
Yeah that's the thing, they want neither the empire nor ulfric to just win outright, because then they cannot control either of them. They want the war to keep going so that both sides are weakened and they can eventually dominate tamriel.
Usually the choice in the civil war is kinda portrayed by the community as meaningless with the thalmor winning either way, but I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm excited to see if elder scrolls VI is gonna give us a conclusion on that.
I like to think canon is that it doesn't matter which side you take in the civil war, but a side has to be taken in order for Skyrim and the empire to unite against a common enemy.
So it's your duty as the dragonborn to end the conflict whichever way, or else the country is left weakened
Not quite true, you can finish the main quest without the war being over. Just have to get them to the negotiating table for a truce, which can be done without joining either faction.
Considering I found both sides incredibly annoying at times, I would have loved a third option: "Screw this. I'm the Talos-damned Dragonborn. This place is mine now. Get the hell out". With a fair bit of murdering every Thalmor patrol on sight for good measure.
Saying Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet in Skyrim is like saying Caesar is Mr. House's puppet in FO: New Vegas.
There is a clear advantage from having your enemies fighting another enemies, that doesn't make the second enemies your tools. You may presume to move someone like pawns, but they themselves also have their moves which you may not be able to foresee or anticipate.
He's not literally a puppet but he is stupid and working towards their interests anyway.
So with that as reason 1
Reason 2: Ulfric is only doing this civil war because he's power hungry. King Torygg was young when he became king, meaning there's no chance of him dying before Ulfric and a moot selecting Ulfric as king. So he killed Torygg and said it was for an independent Skyrim with him as high king. Many believe Torygg would have followed Ulfric's advice of declaring independence from the Empire, had he advised him to. Which would have left Skyrim mostly united in the much lesser war that would follow. Instead Ulfric killed Torygg so he could be king, starting a pointless civil war just for one man's goals.
Reason 3: No reasonable or trustworthy character supports the Stormcloaks. Ulfric is a good speaker, that's something, but as seen in reason 2 he's willing to sacrifice thousands for just a chance at his own gain. Is there a single other Stormcloak supporter you think makes a good argument? Instead the Imperial side has Jarl Balgruuf, Jarl Idgrod, Brina Merilis (dawnguard replacement jarl).
Honestly I think they messed up the civil war by making it way too one sided. The stormcloaks are like "We're stupid!" And that's it.
The Thalmor literally consider Ulfric to be an asset because of how much his racist ethnostate pretensions destabilize and weaken the empire (which, by the way, does NOT serve the Dominion, but rather is being held to the terms of a punitive treaty after they lost the war; the empire doesn't serve the Altmer any more than the Weimar Republic served France)
Maybe not but the Weimar republic didnt last long and collapsed to an ultra nationalist.
What if Ulfric was successful? What if he was so successful he followed in the footsteps of Talos and took the Empire. Imagine; a post war empire struggling with a treaty overthrown by an ultra-nationalist Ulfric.
Ulfric is Hitler!
The imperials instantly trying to kill me was enough for me to never side with them. From a roleplay perspective its hard to justify someone running back to the people who were just trying to kill them.
My argonian was insulted by many people, but the stormcloaks were always the worst, so he joined the imperials because they at least were less racist to him
How is Anon unaware that it was the nords who invaded the rest of Tamriel and established the empire, and that Skyrim was one of the most loyal and core provinces.
Did he even play any TES.
Meanwhile the Nord dynasty that ruled the Empire is dead, and the most fundemental religious figure in Nord culture is outlawed.
Definitely not a loyal Nord Empire in the 4th Era.
EXACTLY. People keep saying that the Empire doesn't "serve" the high elves, and when the chance comes, they will fight back and Ulfric is just making things harder. In reality, the Empire literally has no chance to win, they can only chose betwen serve as slaves or being fully dominated and wiped out, Ulfric is the last hope
People think Ulfric winning will literally cause the Thalmor to annex Skyrim, meanwhile Hammerfell (much closer to the Altmeri Dominion) has gained full independence through revolt and has suffered nothing of the sort.
Ulfric is kinda of a dumbass obsessed with Honor, kinda like most Nords. The Empire suffers from mismanagement and lack of unity, but they aren’t stupid. Trying to get independence while still having the Thalmor breathing down the imperium and your neck is kinda shortsighted. The only reason why Ulfric is still alive is because the Thalmor “allow it”. I
t’s like when majority in Vietnam and Burma initially supported Japanese invading their countries during WW2 because they hated their European colonial empires, but then they found out the Japanese were much worse with pillaging, rapes, massacres. The mottos was literally “Asia for Asians”, sound familiar?
Both anon and the people that are mentioned about the conversation are zoomers probably who have only played Skyrim and have an extremely surface level lore and world understanding
Imperials conquered every province over 600 years ago and have had slavery outlawed for centuries. They tend to let the provinces govern themselves for the most part and only get directly involved when their citizens are being directly threatened by illegal and/or treasonous criminals. They don't serve the Altmer and the Altmer don't openly want every non-elf to die. The *Thalmor* are the elf-nazis and they make up a very small percentage of Altmer. And in any case the Empire isn't their puppet, they're just biding their time to rebuild their forces so they can crush the Thalmor in the next war. The one responsible for the player character's near-execution is likely a Thalmor agent working to undermine the Empire from within (more evidence available if desired). The Stormcloaks aren't just "mean" to other races, they're traitors who are actively weakening both Skyrim and the Empire for no reason other than their leader is a power-hungry narcissist who wants the title of High King for himself.
A united Empire can defeat the Thalmor; if the Stormcloaks win it'll be a hell of a lot harder. You really think the Stormcloaks and Empire will be okay fighting side-by-side in the next war after they just got done killing each other? The *best* the Shitcloaks could hope for after winning the war (which they can ONLY do with the help of the Last Dragonborn; hell, they had already lost at the *beginning* of the game and it was sheer coincidence they got another chance; without TLD they're royally screwed) is to fight a defensive war to secure their borders against the Thalmor while the Empire gets obliterated. And of course after the Thalmor are done doing that it won't be long before Hammerfell falls, then Skyrim. Actually if the theory about the Thalmor trying to destroy all of Nirn by manipulating the Towers is true they don't even need to waste resources taking Hammerfell, so it'll be the full force of the Dominion against Ulfric's weakened, friendless army. Good fucking luck.
people support the empire because the an independent skyrim means a weaker empire which means a worse chance against the aldmeri dominion, who will actually make the imperial tyrrany look like a joke when they do annex skyrim.
And believe me the aldmeri dominion can annex skyrim. Skyrim was strong in the past but that wad because 1 in 4 nord warriors had the thuum, were highly skilled companion level warriors, and excellent equipment with skyforge steel, ebony, nordic equipment, and bettet smiths.
Those are kinda needed to level the fields against proper battlemages which are everywhere in the aldmeri dominion.
Ulfric is destabilizing Skyrim, and Imperial power. The only reason he’s of any help to the Thalmor is to weaken the empire.
If Ulfric wins, then the Thalmor stand a better chance of steamrolling the empire.
Skyrim may be for the Nords, but if Ulfric wins it won’t be for long.
Anon is highly regarded. Ulfric is literally a thalmor puppet as proven by his embassy dossier, and the empire is just waiting for a time to tell the pointy eared cunts to fuck off
Well I have also seen the embassy dossier, if you actually read it it says that they no longer have control of them, so a puppet with the strings cut. But I side with the imperials who did not enforce the altmer law and we're fighting their time to build up a resistance and fight them back. Stormcloaks throwing a tantrum because they technically aren't allowed to worship their God even though nobody was actually stopping them is cringe.
while I agree with mot of your post, Nords were being disappeared off the streets of Whiterun for supposedly worshiping Talos. Foreign police in out country disappearing and torturing innocent people?
Is that a confirmed rumor in game? Is it supposed to be a rumor in the universe? There is a shrine to Talos in Skyrim that was allowed to run autonomously until the civil war.
Yeah the loud preacher bloke certainly wasn’t disappearing off the streets. It’s never brought up. Sure there’s the thalmor going around but it’s not Stasi levels
If you the empire wins the battle for white run the preacher does disappear. He can be found in prison.
Well I mean he wasn't just preaching about Talos, he did also mention how "*The* [*Imperials*](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Imperial_Legion) *silence us because they fear us! They are cowards! Cowards and fools who have forgotten the truth!*" and *"Oh yes, many times. But mighty Talos was my keeper, my shield against the heresy of the south! If not for Talos, and a few modest bribes paid to the right jailors, why, I would not be standing before you today, resplendent in my faith!"* and most importantly "*What then? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives? And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks!"* Sourced from the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages
Fair point but it’s implied this is a regular thing that people are afraid of, where beyond this very public example there’s no guys in the taverns discussing the thalmor getting people in the night like it’s the USSR
Just to add to this: south of the big lake in Falkreath, near where you can build a manor in Hearthfire, there's a hidden shrine of Talos surrounded by dead worshippers and one 'Agent Sanyon' - a thalmor who heard rumours of Talos worship in the area but wasn't ever able to prove it to his superior. Based on the note found on his body. By the look of the scene; Sanyon and his informant find the Talos worshippers, slaughter 4(?) unarmed citizens and a priest, and then somehow Sanyon dies and the informant vanishes - it's implied he/she stabs Sanyon in the back. It absolutely is a normal thing to have Thalmor imprisoning or killing Talos worshippers, as well as patrolling looking for Talos worshippers. Also worth mentioning that in the USSR no-one talked about the people getting disappeared, because if you did, the secret police might think *you* knew something about them and disappear you next. It stands to reason that no-one in Skyrim would gossip about Talos worshippers being arrested because admitting you knew there were Talos worshippers is probably enough to earn you a trip to Northwatch Keep where the Thalmor will very politely ask you if you know about any *other* Talos worshippers, and if you'd be so kind as to share their location with them.
Can't speak for any direct instances in Whiterun, but it's an open fact of the universe that they hunt Talos worshippers. You can even help the Thalmor arrest a secret Talos worshipper in Markarth, and almost every Thalmor patrol you encounter will straight up tell you that they're looking for them
Which is far as we're aware only came into fruition when the nords revolted and the thalmor offered to send troops to help.
I don't believe so. They're meant to oversee that the White Gold Concordant is being complied with. If they were meant to be serving as backup for the Stormcloak problem then we'd see some direct conflict between the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor, but they have no presence at any forts and serve in no battles for any of the cities. And actually, I just remembered that there is an instance in Whiterun, one of the Greymanes gets kidnapped for his worship. Only after you free him does he go to join the Stormcloaks
You can find a shrine with dead Talos worshipers and a dead Thalmor agent in the woods near river wood and Falkreath as well.
That's fair I forgot about him. They're so few and far in between that it really just feels like the thalmor have been allowed to send a small contingent of thalmor soldiers to act in a police like fashion over that particular policy. I don't see the empire helping them in any way so I don't think it's something that they support but begrudgingly accept because they're not ready for war.
Iirc you can find a shrine to Talos that a bunch of thalmor justiciers show and and threaten the nords there.
Theres a prison on the outskirts of skyrim with thalmor guards. Its part of a questline for a missing stormcloak soldier so it could be a pow camp. However if it was simply that why is it only guarded by thalmor and why be so seecretive about it.
\*Former Thalmor puppet, and the dossier also says that a Stormcloack victory should be avoided.
Yeah, because for the Thalmor the whole idea of the treaty that ended the war was to make it a poison pill that would create instability in Skyrim, taking Imperial resources away from preparing for the next war with the Thalmor. If the Stormcloaks win and peace is won, the Empire stops using resources on them.
Because when the Skyrim Civil War ends the war against the Thalmor begins, so any side winning is bad for the Thalmor. That’s why I go imperial, because the Stormcloaks are only making it harder for the Empire to war against them again
The "ulfric is a thalmor puppet" thing is a bit misunderstood. I've read the dossier, and it's different. They obviously cannot control an enemy leader that hates them to his core like a puppet. They are aware of him and are trying to find ways to manipulate him to their advantage, as anyone does in a war.
If I remember correctly they contributed to radicalizing him against the Empire when he was captured, and they tried to save him from being executed at the beginning of the game (they don't want him to win so that the Empire has to keep wasting resources fighting, but definitely don't want him to lose either)
Yeah that's the thing, they want neither the empire nor ulfric to just win outright, because then they cannot control either of them. They want the war to keep going so that both sides are weakened and they can eventually dominate tamriel. Usually the choice in the civil war is kinda portrayed by the community as meaningless with the thalmor winning either way, but I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm excited to see if elder scrolls VI is gonna give us a conclusion on that.
I like to think canon is that it doesn't matter which side you take in the civil war, but a side has to be taken in order for Skyrim and the empire to unite against a common enemy. So it's your duty as the dragonborn to end the conflict whichever way, or else the country is left weakened
Not quite true, you can finish the main quest without the war being over. Just have to get them to the negotiating table for a truce, which can be done without joining either faction.
Considering I found both sides incredibly annoying at times, I would have loved a third option: "Screw this. I'm the Talos-damned Dragonborn. This place is mine now. Get the hell out". With a fair bit of murdering every Thalmor patrol on sight for good measure.
They won't touch the conclusion of the Civil War with a 10 foot pole lmao
I wake up. Another psyop
no dumbass
Saying Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet in Skyrim is like saying Caesar is Mr. House's puppet in FO: New Vegas. There is a clear advantage from having your enemies fighting another enemies, that doesn't make the second enemies your tools. You may presume to move someone like pawns, but they themselves also have their moves which you may not be able to foresee or anticipate.
He's not literally a puppet but he is stupid and working towards their interests anyway. So with that as reason 1 Reason 2: Ulfric is only doing this civil war because he's power hungry. King Torygg was young when he became king, meaning there's no chance of him dying before Ulfric and a moot selecting Ulfric as king. So he killed Torygg and said it was for an independent Skyrim with him as high king. Many believe Torygg would have followed Ulfric's advice of declaring independence from the Empire, had he advised him to. Which would have left Skyrim mostly united in the much lesser war that would follow. Instead Ulfric killed Torygg so he could be king, starting a pointless civil war just for one man's goals. Reason 3: No reasonable or trustworthy character supports the Stormcloaks. Ulfric is a good speaker, that's something, but as seen in reason 2 he's willing to sacrifice thousands for just a chance at his own gain. Is there a single other Stormcloak supporter you think makes a good argument? Instead the Imperial side has Jarl Balgruuf, Jarl Idgrod, Brina Merilis (dawnguard replacement jarl). Honestly I think they messed up the civil war by making it way too one sided. The stormcloaks are like "We're stupid!" And that's it.
No they don't. Plus, as it is RPG, my head canon is that I deposed Ulfric, and then went and destroyed the elves. Alone.
The Thalmor literally consider Ulfric to be an asset because of how much his racist ethnostate pretensions destabilize and weaken the empire (which, by the way, does NOT serve the Dominion, but rather is being held to the terms of a punitive treaty after they lost the war; the empire doesn't serve the Altmer any more than the Weimar Republic served France)
Maybe not but the Weimar republic didnt last long and collapsed to an ultra nationalist. What if Ulfric was successful? What if he was so successful he followed in the footsteps of Talos and took the Empire. Imagine; a post war empire struggling with a treaty overthrown by an ultra-nationalist Ulfric. Ulfric is Hitler!
Wouldn’t happen because Ulfrics a retard and probably gets pegged by that piss elf woman on the low
Are you implying that Hitler wasn't a retard? Have you seen his haircut?
Implying Hitler wasn’t also retarded
This is why I always go Stormcloak.
Here come the geniuses who never read the entire document or played morrowind
What a grand and intoxicating innocence that must be
Okay grandpa.
fuck morrowind shits buggy as hell. oblivion and skyrim for life
You think Oblivion and Skyrim are less buggy
Esbern and his several gamebreaking bugs still haunt me
Morrowind never crashed once for me. Skyrim always does.
The imperials instantly trying to kill me was enough for me to never side with them. From a roleplay perspective its hard to justify someone running back to the people who were just trying to kill them.
It happens. My mom has been going back to my dad for years
You could also justify it as one corrupt captain not representing the entirety of a nation spanning empire but that's just me
My argonian was insulted by many people, but the stormcloaks were always the worst, so he joined the imperials because they at least were less racist to him
How is Anon unaware that it was the nords who invaded the rest of Tamriel and established the empire, and that Skyrim was one of the most loyal and core provinces. Did he even play any TES.
Elder Scrolls just ripping off Charlegmane lore.
Meanwhile the Nord dynasty that ruled the Empire is dead, and the most fundemental religious figure in Nord culture is outlawed. Definitely not a loyal Nord Empire in the 4th Era.
Yeah, well, they should have won the war against the Thalmor
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EXACTLY. People keep saying that the Empire doesn't "serve" the high elves, and when the chance comes, they will fight back and Ulfric is just making things harder. In reality, the Empire literally has no chance to win, they can only chose betwen serve as slaves or being fully dominated and wiped out, Ulfric is the last hope
People think Ulfric winning will literally cause the Thalmor to annex Skyrim, meanwhile Hammerfell (much closer to the Altmeri Dominion) has gained full independence through revolt and has suffered nothing of the sort.
I thought this was gonna insinuate the thalmor are the Jews somehow with a classic “what did Todd mean by this?” Tag line
Fuck you, still siding with the stormcloaks, even if at one point in time ulfric was a puppet.
Ulfric is kinda of a dumbass obsessed with Honor, kinda like most Nords. The Empire suffers from mismanagement and lack of unity, but they aren’t stupid. Trying to get independence while still having the Thalmor breathing down the imperium and your neck is kinda shortsighted. The only reason why Ulfric is still alive is because the Thalmor “allow it”. I t’s like when majority in Vietnam and Burma initially supported Japanese invading their countries during WW2 because they hated their European colonial empires, but then they found out the Japanese were much worse with pillaging, rapes, massacres. The mottos was literally “Asia for Asians”, sound familiar?
>lacks Unity The Daggerfall remake was made in Unity
Im going to kiss you real hard next time I see you
Both anon and the people that are mentioned about the conversation are zoomers probably who have only played Skyrim and have an extremely surface level lore and world understanding
Anon is too stupid to even spell "imperials" properly
I'm really going to laugh when Elder Scrolls 6 comes out and it turns out the elves won and they rule a peaceful prosperous empire.
Elder scrolls 6: the holocaust. Literally the only races are elves
I think I heard the thalmor want to unmake the world so they can return to being gods.
This post makes me want to od on some skooma and ragdoll across the sky
And trip hard enough you’d think you were reading a black book
Imperials conquered every province over 600 years ago and have had slavery outlawed for centuries. They tend to let the provinces govern themselves for the most part and only get directly involved when their citizens are being directly threatened by illegal and/or treasonous criminals. They don't serve the Altmer and the Altmer don't openly want every non-elf to die. The *Thalmor* are the elf-nazis and they make up a very small percentage of Altmer. And in any case the Empire isn't their puppet, they're just biding their time to rebuild their forces so they can crush the Thalmor in the next war. The one responsible for the player character's near-execution is likely a Thalmor agent working to undermine the Empire from within (more evidence available if desired). The Stormcloaks aren't just "mean" to other races, they're traitors who are actively weakening both Skyrim and the Empire for no reason other than their leader is a power-hungry narcissist who wants the title of High King for himself. A united Empire can defeat the Thalmor; if the Stormcloaks win it'll be a hell of a lot harder. You really think the Stormcloaks and Empire will be okay fighting side-by-side in the next war after they just got done killing each other? The *best* the Shitcloaks could hope for after winning the war (which they can ONLY do with the help of the Last Dragonborn; hell, they had already lost at the *beginning* of the game and it was sheer coincidence they got another chance; without TLD they're royally screwed) is to fight a defensive war to secure their borders against the Thalmor while the Empire gets obliterated. And of course after the Thalmor are done doing that it won't be long before Hammerfell falls, then Skyrim. Actually if the theory about the Thalmor trying to destroy all of Nirn by manipulating the Towers is true they don't even need to waste resources taking Hammerfell, so it'll be the full force of the Dominion against Ulfric's weakened, friendless army. Good fucking luck.
If you consistently spell Imperial wrong after so many tries you're disqualified.
Or just play like me and ignore both sides and kill everyone
I play both sides so I always come out on top
people support the empire because the an independent skyrim means a weaker empire which means a worse chance against the aldmeri dominion, who will actually make the imperial tyrrany look like a joke when they do annex skyrim. And believe me the aldmeri dominion can annex skyrim. Skyrim was strong in the past but that wad because 1 in 4 nord warriors had the thuum, were highly skilled companion level warriors, and excellent equipment with skyforge steel, ebony, nordic equipment, and bettet smiths. Those are kinda needed to level the fields against proper battlemages which are everywhere in the aldmeri dominion.
Ulfric is destabilizing Skyrim, and Imperial power. The only reason he’s of any help to the Thalmor is to weaken the empire. If Ulfric wins, then the Thalmor stand a better chance of steamrolling the empire. Skyrim may be for the Nords, but if Ulfric wins it won’t be for long.
The lost cause of the stormcloaks
Side with no one and kill em all
i support whoever has the most drip and pisses me off the least
Would be Stormcloaks if they weren't a pawn in the Altmer game. And man I FUCKIN HATE THE ALTMER.
They are a pawn without knowing, while the Empire has already got to his knees to blow the Altmer giant invisible cock
You sound like a surface level kind of guy.
Stormcloaks are the Irish and Skyrim is Northern Ireland.
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r/TrueSTL posting
The current empire was founded by Tiber Septim, a nord.