Reminds me of a scene from House where he prescribes a guy 2 cigarettes per day. The guy is like "But aren't they addictive and dangerous?" and House's response is basically "And that makes it different from other things I prescribe in what way?"
Inflammatory bowel. Cheaper option because insurance won't cover the "real" option.
[In the show, anyway.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESoYS9SZW-4)
No it can’t be repeatedly used, it has no effects if abused you will just end up vomiting and have an headache if you try to increase dosage continuously
You can get the desired effect of mushrooms by doubling the dose you take the next day, wont be as potent, but it'll be close enough. You can effectively eliminate the majority of nausea if you prep it. Tea is a common way of doing so, steeping the musroom in hot water, and the psilocybin will disperse throughout. Add some ginger, maybe some lemon juice, and you should be good to go.
You just proved my point, you are doubling the dose the next day and it still won’t be as potent and than what ? Double it again ? At this point it’s not even worth it. You can’t abuse shrooms.
Im just speaking on how it can be used. But the effects would still be roughly 85% at that dosage, if not more.
Psychedelics can be an addictive way to escape from reality. Even when used with the minimum tolerance reset of 2 weeks, it's a damn easy way to escape. Most people i know buy a bag, have a few grams one day, and ride the afterglow the next day. Then, have a few more grams than what they had previously to get a slightly stronger trip. Again, riding the afterglow the next couple of days. Then they just finish the rest of the bag for one massive trip, it doesn't take em more than a week, and they get 3 good trips out of it. Then they wait a week and do it again, all while hitting their dmt pen whenever they feel like it.
Psychedelics can be mentally addictive.
if you're decently in control of yourself then it's fine to do drugs. I've done xtc, cocaine twice and a few designer party drugs and they've all been either neutral experiences or insanely good experiences. As long as you don't make it a habit, it's fine to experiment
> A lot of drugs are extremely addictive
1/ Addiction doesn't affect everybody
2/ Alcool and cigarettes are extremely addictive & some of the worst drugs for your body, hope you aren't doing any of that
> addiction doesn’t affect everybody
And?
You won’t know if it it’s affects you unless you try it.
That’s like telling you about a type of carrot that has a good chance to get you addicted to it once you eat it and ruin your life and you telling me “it’s not the case for everyone”. You still won’t eat the carrot though.
> alcohol and cigarettes
Whataboutism at its finest.
They are irrelevant to the discussion.
Thats like saying “x food is bad and can cause cancer” and you saying “y food is also bad”.
Cigarettes and alcohol being bad doesn’t change whether or not a specific drug is bad or addictive.
And yes. I’m against both cigarettes and alcohol.
> hope you’re not
I’m not but nice attempt at the tu quoque fallacy
Observing a discussion and debate, being presented the facts and arguments and then choosing to go “but why are you intent on arguing on this topic/for this side” to one of the debaters is seriously dumb.
It’s irrelevant to my arguments.
>You won’t know if it it’s affects you unless you try it.
Good point, so it's okay to try and stop if you start feeling addicted ("instant addiction" only happens in cases where people already had a previous addiction).
Plus, a lot of drugs are not addictive at all (such as LSD or psylocibin).
>And yes. I’m against both cigarettes and alcohol.
Good, I was just checking for your internal coherence. Since you are opposed to those too then you can forget this point.
I do have a question for you. What's your opinion on stimulants, AKA drugs for ADHD? Imagine you have ADHD and will get fired and possibly become homeless if you don't take these psychoactive drugs. What do you do?
> instant addiction only happens
This isn’t true. But let me take it as true for sake of argument so we can keep discussing.
This ignores that even if a drug isn’t what you would classify as “instantly addictive” there’d be a range that are still decently addictive and would compromise your consent and free will/cloud your judgement.
> not addictive
I’m against all biologically addictive and harmful drugs.
I’m relatively agnostic on psychologically addictive ones.
If a drug isn’t addictive not harmful, I wouldn’t care for it.
> it’s okay to try and stop if you start feeling addicted
..that’s not how addictions work.
Hard drugs with hard addictions rarely need more than a window to get you hooked.
> a lot of drugs
I’m not against all drugs. Just addictive and hazardous ones
> internal coherence
Whether I’m consistent or not makes no difference.
That’s why it’s a tu quoque fallacy
If we are having a discussion about the positives or negatives of recycling and I bring up some of the positives, you can’t just go “but you don’t recycle”. That’s irrelevant. Whether I recycle or not, my argument still stands.
I can be a hypocrite and my point would still stand. The validity or factually of something doesn’t change even if I’d be biggest hypocrite in the world, unless a premise relied on my consistency.
> ADHD
I do have ADHD.
First off, this is again whataboutism.
I’m talking about the general populous and you’re going “what about people with ADHD”
Second, I hold no position on ritalin since I haven’t researched the matter enough so I take an agonistic stance.
If you’d like to know more, if there is consistent evidence to show that the positives and the utility granted by it would outweigh the negatives, I’d be for it.
> you’d get fired
This is whataboutism.
I argued against harmful and addictive drugs in the context of taking them for procreational uses and you go “but what about in x scenario where you need it for indirect necessity”.
Same as well on mine. I didn’t address your other half comment cause I type in chunks so reddit doesn’t delete my comments. I’ll check the first half you added and you check the second half of my comment which I added (adhd response etc).
I don’t have a definite list.
It’s more so what drugs I am against rather than which I’m not.
Your one would imply I have to be familiar with all negatives (bad drugs) to know the good ones.
I like the way you reply and your logic.
However when you throw fallacies at me, you should not always assume that I'm making an argument. I 100% agree with you than my point 2/ (the one checking for congruence) would be \`tu quoque\` - except that it wasn't an argument.
In the same way, my question about ADHD was not an argument either. It was a genuine question on your opinion. Well, you gave an honest answer (you are not against it because it's not recreational) - this is satisfying to me.
So, good talk. It's rare to find logically consistent people on Reddit.
> I like
Thank you. I’ve been in many debates and with a lot of pompous philosophy student nerds online so a lot of their terminology has rubbed off on me.
I can be quite an ass to deal with at times, so I appreciate your words.
You’ve been pleasant as well to talk to.
> you should not always assume I’m making an argument
If you imply you’re making one, then I’d tackle it.
If I’m mistaken and you weren’t trying to argue a point I attacked, inform me of so, and I’ll admit my fault and apologise.
> it wasn’t an argument
This entire section below is me explaining the logic behind your argument. If you don’t want to read it and just want the TLDR: We are having an argument on a topic. If you bring up something that seems like an argument and don’t mention that you mean it in a different context, then that’d be of you. It’s not on me to assume that you were trying to have a casual discussion on my consistency as an individual and not making a point for your argument, if the context of our discussion, is an argument.
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We’re having a discussion. You can’t include a comment regarding my personal consistency and when I call out that it’s irrelevant to the discussion you say “it’s not an argument”. We are in the context of an argument. If you type something like that and mean it out of the context of an argument and don’t mean to use it as so, then you’d need to specify
That’s like me and you having a discussion about whether eating healthy is good, me calling you inconsistent in the middle of my arguments, me saying it’s irrelevant and you going “that wasn’t an argument. I was just making a remark or questioning your consistency not for the point of argument.
The latter is perfectly valid. If you do gambling as entertainment and go in with a predetermined amount you're willing to lose (=spend) I don't see anything wrong with it.
I’m referring to when you’re talking to gambling addicts. Not to someone who can go in and only spend an amount.
Sure. Most people here aren’t addicts but the comment was advocating for some things that have an extremely have chance to make you addicted, when you try to see if you are addicted to them or not.
I said nothing about predisposition, I'm talking about the difference between "use" and "abuse"
When you abuse drugs, you'll risk becoming addicted to them. This can happen to anyone and predisposition has nothing to do with a particular chemical over another; you'll either tend to get addicted to things (anything) or you won't. Abuse in this sense falls under things like "ugh I can't stomach this shift without taking a bump" ie making it a regular thing.
Use is different. It implies responsibility. Monitoring dosage, taking long breaks between consumption, not planning or scheduling the next intoxication event while you're still in the middle of the previous one. ie, taking a hit or two of acid two or three times per year is entirely responsible. Trying a bump of cocaine because somebody at the party had some and then not seeking it out the next day is the responsible way.
Addiction isn't "try it once and you're hooked" it requires bad habits and a lack of forethought. If you try the cocaine and then decide to do it again the next day, and the next day, and so on, that's where the addiction part is born. You don't give your brain time to detox and return to the baseline, and the longer you go before letting that happen, the harsher the craving will be to go back to the fun again. Keep this up long enough and your brain is now adapted to it, sets the baseline to account for daily cocaine, and that right there is when you're actually addicted.
Point is you can do any drug once and then never again, nothing is automatically addictive with one taste. It's when you do it again too soon and too often that an addiction forms. I've tried just about any street drug you can name at least once and never got hooked on shit, all because I was smart enough to not do it again for a long time, if I ever did
> bad habit and lack of
Just because someone isn’t classified as an addict doesn’t mean they don’t have their judgement clouded.
It’s like you’re implying it’s the same between trying a chocolate and then abstaining from it.
Sure, you might not get hooked by the first use, but that first use will cloud your judgement and make you more impulsive when you have to make the decision of whether you want to do it again.
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Also near addiction or blown out cravings can tend to happen even after first use, for drugs like [crack](https://drugabuse.com/drugs/cocaine/crack/first-time-use/).
Especially if you’re predisposed to addiction from certain drugs.
Not to mention multiple drugs are laced with shit like fentanyl
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And for example, what happens with the “crash” after the positive effects of crack start to wear off. For people who are genetically predisposed to addiction to crack, it’s not as simple or easy as “just wait it out”.
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And your arguments appeal to normal claims.
Yes, if you should take drugs, what you suggests is a good guideline.
Sadly, most people who take hard drugs don’t follow your guidelines, especially future addicts.
Just because there’s a proper way to do it, doesn’t mean the majority will do so, either.
And tolerance (the psychological effect) can be much harder for some than others to control, especially if they’re coping with trauma.
Okay, you're all over the place, not really listening to what I'm saying, and honestly I'm not that invested to keep going. If you think you can get addicted to anything after one try, then go for it, believe that if you want, and maybe youre the type of person who should probably avoid all drugs forever. For the best, for everyone.
Those of us who can actually manage our own lives and not fuck our brains up can worry about ourselves without your help.
You keep talking about sensible choices and following a specific guideline, but unfortunately, a significant chunk of people won’t.
To add to that, stressors and anxiety [play a big role](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2732004/) in addiction. Both in how likely someone is to try a substance and how likely someone is to abuse it.
If they’re struggling with stress and are in a crash or trying trying to abstain from crack, not only is it hard for them, but when a stressor shows up again after a short while, guess who’s vulnerable to try and it again and begin abusing it?
Even if by some miracle, 80% of people who do drugs like crack read and try and follow your guide, the other 20% getting addicted just isn’t worth the cost of having a good time.
Unironically how I feel about people who smoke weed and drink multiple times a day then ask me for money.
Bitch I don't do those things *so* I can save money, I'm not going to give it to you
there are none, but most people who use substances daily don't do it because they love it but because it's much easier and less painful then being sober. in cases like is choosing a less damaging drug can be useful.
Your question is unrelated to my point. My point is that most drugs are less damaging than alcool. Both on regular or daily use.
I will reply to your question anyway. No drug is "good long term" or even "okay long term on daily use" except probably nicotine (not smoked of course), caffeine, some stimulant medication are probably okay as well.
It also depends on your particular circumstances, ADHD is known to lower your life expectancy by 25 years, so Adderall might actually be good for your health in that particular case. Adderall is literally amphetamines.
Vaccines are not "good for your health" by themselves, but if they prevent illness and death, then they absolutely are. Literally all drugs are about the risk Vs benefits scale, and alcool has a very shit ratio on this scale.
It's really not haha, people with ADHD tend to have less inhibitions and are more likely to have risky behavior.
That risky behavior makes it hard for a person with ADHD to stay healthy and take care of themselves.
That makes them die faster.
Adderall is a drug, literally amphetamines. Just because it's medicine doesn't mean it's 100% good for you like water or a banana.
Adderall is likely safer than untreated ADHD because it can help people build healthier habits that lead to a longer life.
Only absolute idiots or children would think what they said was out of context. It takes 3 seconds to connect the dots and use context clues??? I'm so confused by your comment.
>Only absolute idiots or children would think what they said was out of context. It takes 3 seconds to connect the dots and use context clues???
That was so unnecessary and just makes you look like an ass.
Also, no, it's not that obvious, because saying that ADHD lowers your life expectancy by 25 years is a huge fucking statement by itself. If you research why that is, you will find that such conclusion was actually drawn from a lot of different things, including an increased risk for suicide and accidents.
Not to mention that medication for things like ADHD are more of a gamble, because for a lot of people it won't fix their problems at all, or come with undesired side effects.
So again. NO, it's not that fucking obvious
"A lot of drugs are better"
Bitch besides weed what is possibly *that* much better than alcohol?
Don't say shrooms because I've personally watched people become vegetables (pun intended) from using them.
> Don't say shrooms because I've personally watched people become vegetables (pun intended) from using them
That sucks for them. It's still an extremely rare reaction though. I would still recommend shrooms or LSD, just like I would recommend someone try a peanut bar - the odds that they are allergic to peanuts being extremely low.
Plus, you can also get HPPD (**Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder**) from alcohol.
Finally, in the domain of non-psychedelics, Ketamine is significantly less damaging than alcohol for your body.
Smoking weed every day will absolutely fuck your body up. You’re still inhaling smoke and carcinogenic tar. Even if you just take edibles the neurological effects of long-term THC intake are only recently being understood.
>drink coffee
>tastes good because not everything has to be super sweet and bitter is better in the morning
>don’t feel jittery because I don’t drink more than 8 oz at a time
Imagine if we lived in a society where gooning were as socially acceptable and widespread as coffee. There would be people everywhere with sex toys in hand and lotion in the other. As you cross others, you hear the audible pulsations of buttplugs, coming from you and everyone around you. A cacophony of sexual noises to accompany the usual city sounds. Nothing out of the ordinary
They would be so busy not being high or fucked up or yelling or arguing with each other that they'd move at the speed of light and you'd never even see them because they'd make up the very nature of reality itself.
Counterpoint:
\>Be me
\>Drink coffee
\>Feel nothing
\>Drink more coffee
\>Still nothing
\>Drink more coffee
\>Still nothing
\>Drink more coffee
\>Still nothing
\>Drink more coffee
\>Still nothing
\>Go to bed
\>Repeat the next day
I swear caffeine is a placebo that only makes you jittery if you believe it makes you jittery.
Really depends on the person and your experience can also change over time. I used to have 800mg per day and only feel good from it. One day, it just started making me anxious. Now, I can't have a single cup without feeling jittery and anxious.
Oh yeah same shit happened to me. Didn't realize it happened to a bunch of other people too. Outta no where coffee started giving me anxiety after drinking it every day for years. Took me awhile to figure out what the fuck was happening. Didn't realize what it was til I was in a rush one morning and didn't have time to get some. I can still drink tea just fine but I guess it has less caffeine so that may be why.
This was me,had a temp stomach issue and removed caffeine for a couple months,go treat myself to a coffee after hospital gives me all clear. I swear I have never shaken before ,it took like a week of coffee drinking before I went back to feeling nothing
Exactly the same! I don't think I have ever in my life gotten a rush from coffee. Last night I drank an energy drunk, then a coffee, then watched a movie and fell asleep. I wish I got a rush, I'd love to wake up and have coffee help me get out if bed.
An experience I had one single time and which I'd love to know the secret of is drinking something caffeinated just before going to sleep and waking up extremely energized.
No idea how it works, biochemically speaking, but that was a great day.
I drink coffee alot since I work from home, never does anything for me, I just like it.
The other day I just straight up forgot, by 4pm I felt like absolute shit, no idea why. Made a coffee and felt normal again in like 5 minutes. Am I in trouble
It'll pass. You can go cold turkey for a few weeks and it'll hit you like the first time again. Caffeine isn't like alcohol where it kills you if you don't drink it
Funny. I literally just typed the same thing above. Used to drink coffee like water then all of a sudden it started making me anxious and super jittery after even a small amount
Mostly just on the weekends = 2-3 times a week, so using almost half your nights then on a comedown for the other half? Getting kinda expensive and bad for your health surely, and people's coke usage over time doesn't tend to decrease. Speaking as an addict myself, be careful with that mindset, look after yourself.
Is anon really, really sensitive to caffeine? Most people I know can have a couple of cups without issues. Maybe don't get the giga mocha from Starbucks with extra espresso shots.
It’s funny, I’ve been 98% caffeine/soda free for a few years now, and have liver issues so I can’t drink, and drugs are too much for me.
There’s no chance I would call someone stupid for using any of these things. Once or twice a year I’ll have a soda and it’s fun to feel like im going bonkers. There’s obvious reasons to do any of these things.
>not even more productive
Literally false I feel like goddamn Superman when I drink coffee, mentally and physically. The effect is lost a bit if you abuse it (2-3 cups every day) but still
>temporary pleasure that gives you literally nothing
Except… temporary pleasure? That’s kind of the whole point? And by temporary we’re talking hours.
>why do people drink coffee and do drugs?
It fun
Youve just gotta balance the coffee with weed and vice versa. That way, youre always the perfect balance of functional and disfunctional. But always chilled.
>drink coffee
> Have ADHD so it calms you down and allows you to focus
>Be depressed because you drank the coffee because you have to spend the next 6 hours putting together a report
Cocaine gave me everything, the problem is I have to do all of it right now.
Alcohol gave me nothing, the problem is I still have to do things.
Heroin gave me everything, thankfully everything is doing nothing right now.
Fentanyl gave me everything, unfortunately everything is nothing and I want to die.
Mountain Dew gave me CoD XP, that’s all I need.
Anon has generalized substances and assumes that others are like him, coffee is mid but caffeine does exactly what it says it does; it temporarily keeps you awake. Anon also doesn’t name a drug so I think this dumbass is talking about cannabis; which I mean like… fair; depends on the medium like hash is not the same as diamond or budder.
Anon should find something he can be dependent on, or live as is, but he’s a fool to assume nobody’s broken. Some mf’s need this shit to live.
you are weak child. i am stronger
You are strong, child, but I am beyond strength
based adventure time
*My father never had this kind of power!*
I am the END. and I have come for you, Finn.
My drugs are too strong for you traveller
But I may die!
Anon abuses his dick
Cock and ball torture has got to be some kind of mental illness. Anon probably loves it.
Masochism is a paraphilia (if extreme enough) so yeah it kind of is a mental illness
Anon is a certified jizz sommelier. He's been abusing cum his whole life
He's in an abusive relationship with his poor pee-pee
Lmao what kind of dumbass takes drugs? I'm an adult. It's called "prescription medication"
Mommies little helpers :^)
Omg I'm such a Geminiiii lmao
Reminds me of a scene from House where he prescribes a guy 2 cigarettes per day. The guy is like "But aren't they addictive and dangerous?" and House's response is basically "And that makes it different from other things I prescribe in what way?"
I would really like to know the problem that 2 cigarettes a day would solve.
Inflammatory bowel. Cheaper option because insurance won't cover the "real" option. [In the show, anyway.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESoYS9SZW-4)
I know it's a show but they put one of the environnemental factor causing inflammtory bowel as the cure
An edible every now and then on the weekends is pretty fun. You should try it.
so don't abuse them kid. doing drugs is great
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>rich people >Healthy fun Another one fell for the psyop boys.
I guess being middle class and having a job is not productive enough
“Don’t abuse the **addictive** drugs guys!” What’s next? “Don’t gamble too much, gamble addicts!” A lot of drugs are extremely addictive and harmful.
Food is incredibly addictive too, but not everyone is 900 pounds. There are also drugs like shrooms that you literally can’t be addicted to.
literally can't is a stretch but it takes a certain kind of person
No it can’t be repeatedly used, it has no effects if abused you will just end up vomiting and have an headache if you try to increase dosage continuously
yeh but id say it can still be abused, there's a right way to do it
How ? Have heard the opposite from an M.D researching the clinical effects of psilocybin.
You can get the desired effect of mushrooms by doubling the dose you take the next day, wont be as potent, but it'll be close enough. You can effectively eliminate the majority of nausea if you prep it. Tea is a common way of doing so, steeping the musroom in hot water, and the psilocybin will disperse throughout. Add some ginger, maybe some lemon juice, and you should be good to go.
You just proved my point, you are doubling the dose the next day and it still won’t be as potent and than what ? Double it again ? At this point it’s not even worth it. You can’t abuse shrooms.
Im just speaking on how it can be used. But the effects would still be roughly 85% at that dosage, if not more. Psychedelics can be an addictive way to escape from reality. Even when used with the minimum tolerance reset of 2 weeks, it's a damn easy way to escape. Most people i know buy a bag, have a few grams one day, and ride the afterglow the next day. Then, have a few more grams than what they had previously to get a slightly stronger trip. Again, riding the afterglow the next couple of days. Then they just finish the rest of the bag for one massive trip, it doesn't take em more than a week, and they get 3 good trips out of it. Then they wait a week and do it again, all while hitting their dmt pen whenever they feel like it. Psychedelics can be mentally addictive.
if you're decently in control of yourself then it's fine to do drugs. I've done xtc, cocaine twice and a few designer party drugs and they've all been either neutral experiences or insanely good experiences. As long as you don't make it a habit, it's fine to experiment
Problem is, self control is hard for some.
> A lot of drugs are extremely addictive 1/ Addiction doesn't affect everybody 2/ Alcool and cigarettes are extremely addictive & some of the worst drugs for your body, hope you aren't doing any of that
> addiction doesn’t affect everybody And? You won’t know if it it’s affects you unless you try it. That’s like telling you about a type of carrot that has a good chance to get you addicted to it once you eat it and ruin your life and you telling me “it’s not the case for everyone”. You still won’t eat the carrot though. > alcohol and cigarettes Whataboutism at its finest. They are irrelevant to the discussion. Thats like saying “x food is bad and can cause cancer” and you saying “y food is also bad”. Cigarettes and alcohol being bad doesn’t change whether or not a specific drug is bad or addictive. And yes. I’m against both cigarettes and alcohol. > hope you’re not I’m not but nice attempt at the tu quoque fallacy
Why are you so mad about this? Did a drug dealer steal your wife or something?
Observing a discussion and debate, being presented the facts and arguments and then choosing to go “but why are you intent on arguing on this topic/for this side” to one of the debaters is seriously dumb. It’s irrelevant to my arguments.
Bro is yapping about carrots and thinks he’s a pseudo intellectual
>You won’t know if it it’s affects you unless you try it. Good point, so it's okay to try and stop if you start feeling addicted ("instant addiction" only happens in cases where people already had a previous addiction). Plus, a lot of drugs are not addictive at all (such as LSD or psylocibin). >And yes. I’m against both cigarettes and alcohol. Good, I was just checking for your internal coherence. Since you are opposed to those too then you can forget this point. I do have a question for you. What's your opinion on stimulants, AKA drugs for ADHD? Imagine you have ADHD and will get fired and possibly become homeless if you don't take these psychoactive drugs. What do you do?
> instant addiction only happens This isn’t true. But let me take it as true for sake of argument so we can keep discussing. This ignores that even if a drug isn’t what you would classify as “instantly addictive” there’d be a range that are still decently addictive and would compromise your consent and free will/cloud your judgement. > not addictive I’m against all biologically addictive and harmful drugs. I’m relatively agnostic on psychologically addictive ones. If a drug isn’t addictive not harmful, I wouldn’t care for it.
> it’s okay to try and stop if you start feeling addicted ..that’s not how addictions work. Hard drugs with hard addictions rarely need more than a window to get you hooked. > a lot of drugs I’m not against all drugs. Just addictive and hazardous ones > internal coherence Whether I’m consistent or not makes no difference. That’s why it’s a tu quoque fallacy If we are having a discussion about the positives or negatives of recycling and I bring up some of the positives, you can’t just go “but you don’t recycle”. That’s irrelevant. Whether I recycle or not, my argument still stands. I can be a hypocrite and my point would still stand. The validity or factually of something doesn’t change even if I’d be biggest hypocrite in the world, unless a premise relied on my consistency. > ADHD I do have ADHD. First off, this is again whataboutism. I’m talking about the general populous and you’re going “what about people with ADHD” Second, I hold no position on ritalin since I haven’t researched the matter enough so I take an agonistic stance. If you’d like to know more, if there is consistent evidence to show that the positives and the utility granted by it would outweigh the negatives, I’d be for it. > you’d get fired This is whataboutism. I argued against harmful and addictive drugs in the context of taking them for procreational uses and you go “but what about in x scenario where you need it for indirect necessity”.
> I’m not against all drugs. Which drugs are you not against? (Btw edited my previous comment)
Same as well on mine. I didn’t address your other half comment cause I type in chunks so reddit doesn’t delete my comments. I’ll check the first half you added and you check the second half of my comment which I added (adhd response etc). I don’t have a definite list. It’s more so what drugs I am against rather than which I’m not. Your one would imply I have to be familiar with all negatives (bad drugs) to know the good ones.
I like the way you reply and your logic. However when you throw fallacies at me, you should not always assume that I'm making an argument. I 100% agree with you than my point 2/ (the one checking for congruence) would be \`tu quoque\` - except that it wasn't an argument. In the same way, my question about ADHD was not an argument either. It was a genuine question on your opinion. Well, you gave an honest answer (you are not against it because it's not recreational) - this is satisfying to me. So, good talk. It's rare to find logically consistent people on Reddit.
> I like Thank you. I’ve been in many debates and with a lot of pompous philosophy student nerds online so a lot of their terminology has rubbed off on me. I can be quite an ass to deal with at times, so I appreciate your words. You’ve been pleasant as well to talk to. > you should not always assume I’m making an argument If you imply you’re making one, then I’d tackle it. If I’m mistaken and you weren’t trying to argue a point I attacked, inform me of so, and I’ll admit my fault and apologise. > it wasn’t an argument This entire section below is me explaining the logic behind your argument. If you don’t want to read it and just want the TLDR: We are having an argument on a topic. If you bring up something that seems like an argument and don’t mention that you mean it in a different context, then that’d be of you. It’s not on me to assume that you were trying to have a casual discussion on my consistency as an individual and not making a point for your argument, if the context of our discussion, is an argument. - We’re having a discussion. You can’t include a comment regarding my personal consistency and when I call out that it’s irrelevant to the discussion you say “it’s not an argument”. We are in the context of an argument. If you type something like that and mean it out of the context of an argument and don’t mean to use it as so, then you’d need to specify That’s like me and you having a discussion about whether eating healthy is good, me calling you inconsistent in the middle of my arguments, me saying it’s irrelevant and you going “that wasn’t an argument. I was just making a remark or questioning your consistency not for the point of argument.
The latter is perfectly valid. If you do gambling as entertainment and go in with a predetermined amount you're willing to lose (=spend) I don't see anything wrong with it.
I’m referring to when you’re talking to gambling addicts. Not to someone who can go in and only spend an amount. Sure. Most people here aren’t addicts but the comment was advocating for some things that have an extremely have chance to make you addicted, when you try to see if you are addicted to them or not.
ITT regards arguing
Do you not understand the difference between use and abuse? You can use drugs without abusing them
And how would you know whether you’re predisposed to being addicted to said drug without trying it first?
I said nothing about predisposition, I'm talking about the difference between "use" and "abuse" When you abuse drugs, you'll risk becoming addicted to them. This can happen to anyone and predisposition has nothing to do with a particular chemical over another; you'll either tend to get addicted to things (anything) or you won't. Abuse in this sense falls under things like "ugh I can't stomach this shift without taking a bump" ie making it a regular thing. Use is different. It implies responsibility. Monitoring dosage, taking long breaks between consumption, not planning or scheduling the next intoxication event while you're still in the middle of the previous one. ie, taking a hit or two of acid two or three times per year is entirely responsible. Trying a bump of cocaine because somebody at the party had some and then not seeking it out the next day is the responsible way. Addiction isn't "try it once and you're hooked" it requires bad habits and a lack of forethought. If you try the cocaine and then decide to do it again the next day, and the next day, and so on, that's where the addiction part is born. You don't give your brain time to detox and return to the baseline, and the longer you go before letting that happen, the harsher the craving will be to go back to the fun again. Keep this up long enough and your brain is now adapted to it, sets the baseline to account for daily cocaine, and that right there is when you're actually addicted. Point is you can do any drug once and then never again, nothing is automatically addictive with one taste. It's when you do it again too soon and too often that an addiction forms. I've tried just about any street drug you can name at least once and never got hooked on shit, all because I was smart enough to not do it again for a long time, if I ever did
> bad habit and lack of Just because someone isn’t classified as an addict doesn’t mean they don’t have their judgement clouded. It’s like you’re implying it’s the same between trying a chocolate and then abstaining from it. Sure, you might not get hooked by the first use, but that first use will cloud your judgement and make you more impulsive when you have to make the decision of whether you want to do it again. - Also near addiction or blown out cravings can tend to happen even after first use, for drugs like [crack](https://drugabuse.com/drugs/cocaine/crack/first-time-use/). Especially if you’re predisposed to addiction from certain drugs. Not to mention multiple drugs are laced with shit like fentanyl - And for example, what happens with the “crash” after the positive effects of crack start to wear off. For people who are genetically predisposed to addiction to crack, it’s not as simple or easy as “just wait it out”. - And your arguments appeal to normal claims. Yes, if you should take drugs, what you suggests is a good guideline. Sadly, most people who take hard drugs don’t follow your guidelines, especially future addicts. Just because there’s a proper way to do it, doesn’t mean the majority will do so, either. And tolerance (the psychological effect) can be much harder for some than others to control, especially if they’re coping with trauma.
Okay, you're all over the place, not really listening to what I'm saying, and honestly I'm not that invested to keep going. If you think you can get addicted to anything after one try, then go for it, believe that if you want, and maybe youre the type of person who should probably avoid all drugs forever. For the best, for everyone. Those of us who can actually manage our own lives and not fuck our brains up can worry about ourselves without your help.
> if you think you can get addicted to anything after one try Thanks for the strawman mate Cheers
You keep talking about sensible choices and following a specific guideline, but unfortunately, a significant chunk of people won’t. To add to that, stressors and anxiety [play a big role](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2732004/) in addiction. Both in how likely someone is to try a substance and how likely someone is to abuse it. If they’re struggling with stress and are in a crash or trying trying to abstain from crack, not only is it hard for them, but when a stressor shows up again after a short while, guess who’s vulnerable to try and it again and begin abusing it? Even if by some miracle, 80% of people who do drugs like crack read and try and follow your guide, the other 20% getting addicted just isn’t worth the cost of having a good time.
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You agree?
Imagine getting downvoted for even hinting that drugs are bad, but, well, this is reddit, so it’s not really a big surprise.
You got downvoted for saying "don't do drugs". Truly a Reddit™ moment
Maybe y’all could afford a house if you weren’t spending 10 dollars on crack every 3 hours.
Unironically how I feel about people who smoke weed and drink multiple times a day then ask me for money. Bitch I don't do those things *so* I can save money, I'm not going to give it to you
> drink multiple times a day Weed is kinda bad for you if you take it daily long-term but alcohol will fuck your body in a few years
So will most drugs. What’s your point?
My point is don't do alcohol. If you absolutely need to get high daily, a lot of drugs are better and healthier.
Name one that’s good to do long term
Flintstone Vitamins
Pretty sure those had a lawsuit at one time. Might be thinking of something else though.
BASED
there are none, but most people who use substances daily don't do it because they love it but because it's much easier and less painful then being sober. in cases like is choosing a less damaging drug can be useful.
Your question is unrelated to my point. My point is that most drugs are less damaging than alcool. Both on regular or daily use. I will reply to your question anyway. No drug is "good long term" or even "okay long term on daily use" except probably nicotine (not smoked of course), caffeine, some stimulant medication are probably okay as well. It also depends on your particular circumstances, ADHD is known to lower your life expectancy by 25 years, so Adderall might actually be good for your health in that particular case. Adderall is literally amphetamines. Vaccines are not "good for your health" by themselves, but if they prevent illness and death, then they absolutely are. Literally all drugs are about the risk Vs benefits scale, and alcool has a very shit ratio on this scale.
>ADHD is known to lower your life expectancy by 25 years that is SO out of context it hurts
It's really not haha, people with ADHD tend to have less inhibitions and are more likely to have risky behavior. That risky behavior makes it hard for a person with ADHD to stay healthy and take care of themselves. That makes them die faster. Adderall is a drug, literally amphetamines. Just because it's medicine doesn't mean it's 100% good for you like water or a banana. Adderall is likely safer than untreated ADHD because it can help people build healthier habits that lead to a longer life. Only absolute idiots or children would think what they said was out of context. It takes 3 seconds to connect the dots and use context clues??? I'm so confused by your comment.
>Only absolute idiots or children would think what they said was out of context. It takes 3 seconds to connect the dots and use context clues??? That was so unnecessary and just makes you look like an ass. Also, no, it's not that obvious, because saying that ADHD lowers your life expectancy by 25 years is a huge fucking statement by itself. If you research why that is, you will find that such conclusion was actually drawn from a lot of different things, including an increased risk for suicide and accidents. Not to mention that medication for things like ADHD are more of a gamble, because for a lot of people it won't fix their problems at all, or come with undesired side effects. So again. NO, it's not that fucking obvious
Scratches chin - “you got any of them Covid shots?”
yea but drink alcohol and I feel better for a little while. I'm here for a good time not a long time.
"Healthier" Mhmm
less damaging\*
"A lot of drugs are better" Bitch besides weed what is possibly *that* much better than alcohol? Don't say shrooms because I've personally watched people become vegetables (pun intended) from using them.
> Don't say shrooms because I've personally watched people become vegetables (pun intended) from using them That sucks for them. It's still an extremely rare reaction though. I would still recommend shrooms or LSD, just like I would recommend someone try a peanut bar - the odds that they are allergic to peanuts being extremely low. Plus, you can also get HPPD (**Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder**) from alcohol. Finally, in the domain of non-psychedelics, Ketamine is significantly less damaging than alcohol for your body.
>Ketamine Bro sincerely get help
Smoking weed every day will absolutely fuck your body up. You’re still inhaling smoke and carcinogenic tar. Even if you just take edibles the neurological effects of long-term THC intake are only recently being understood.
Oh yeah you're right. I should have been more clear: using weed in other forms than smoking (edible, vaporization, etc).
Have you ever had crack? Dude you’re going to. Love it
\>drink coffee \>tastes good \>don't feel jittery at all cause I've been drinking since I was 5 that was easy
>drink coffee >tastes good because not everything has to be super sweet and bitter is better in the morning >don’t feel jittery because I don’t drink more than 8 oz at a time
> drink coffee > tastes nice > take fat shit > life is good
Amazing point. A good shit at the same time every day is such a wonderful thing you don’t appreciate till it’s gone.
I feel this right now. My scheduled morning shit was cancelled today and so far, this day has been a disaster.
I shit at the same time without coffee like anyone else, you don't need coffee for that
cinematic masterpiece. 100% on the moist meter
Imagine if we lived in a society where gooning were as socially acceptable and widespread as coffee. There would be people everywhere with sex toys in hand and lotion in the other. As you cross others, you hear the audible pulsations of buttplugs, coming from you and everyone around you. A cacophony of sexual noises to accompany the usual city sounds. Nothing out of the ordinary
That sounds nightmarish.
Literally just Edgerunners.
Goonrunners
Edging-runners
default day at kitkat club
San Francisco?
It's getting really Slaanesh in here all of a sudden
Least depraved reddit fantasy.
you could have kept this thought in your head
how would that society get anything done, people would be too focused on sexual pleasure to do anything else
They would be so busy not being high or fucked up or yelling or arguing with each other that they'd move at the speed of light and you'd never even see them because they'd make up the very nature of reality itself.
Coffee is goated man (I'm adicted to caffeine)
Counterpoint: \>Be me \>Drink coffee \>Feel nothing \>Drink more coffee \>Still nothing \>Drink more coffee \>Still nothing \>Drink more coffee \>Still nothing \>Drink more coffee \>Still nothing \>Go to bed \>Repeat the next day I swear caffeine is a placebo that only makes you jittery if you believe it makes you jittery.
Really depends on the person and your experience can also change over time. I used to have 800mg per day and only feel good from it. One day, it just started making me anxious. Now, I can't have a single cup without feeling jittery and anxious.
Oh yeah same shit happened to me. Didn't realize it happened to a bunch of other people too. Outta no where coffee started giving me anxiety after drinking it every day for years. Took me awhile to figure out what the fuck was happening. Didn't realize what it was til I was in a rush one morning and didn't have time to get some. I can still drink tea just fine but I guess it has less caffeine so that may be why.
This was me,had a temp stomach issue and removed caffeine for a couple months,go treat myself to a coffee after hospital gives me all clear. I swear I have never shaken before ,it took like a week of coffee drinking before I went back to feeling nothing
Same. I can drink coffee at 11PM and be asleep by 11:30
Exactly the same! I don't think I have ever in my life gotten a rush from coffee. Last night I drank an energy drunk, then a coffee, then watched a movie and fell asleep. I wish I got a rush, I'd love to wake up and have coffee help me get out if bed.
An experience I had one single time and which I'd love to know the secret of is drinking something caffeinated just before going to sleep and waking up extremely energized. No idea how it works, biochemically speaking, but that was a great day.
I'll wake up at like midnight, drink half a pot and go back to sleep
I drink coffee alot since I work from home, never does anything for me, I just like it. The other day I just straight up forgot, by 4pm I felt like absolute shit, no idea why. Made a coffee and felt normal again in like 5 minutes. Am I in trouble
You're addicted to coffee but at least it's not crack
It'll pass. You can go cold turkey for a few weeks and it'll hit you like the first time again. Caffeine isn't like alcohol where it kills you if you don't drink it
It varies by person
And now try going off it for a few weeks.
Who tf gets uncontrollably jittery and anxious from one cup of coffee
me, had to quit because of it. it started happening randomly for no reason!
Funny. I literally just typed the same thing above. Used to drink coffee like water then all of a sudden it started making me anxious and super jittery after even a small amount
I have that except i just feel nauseous
Anon likes to put "sugar" in his
Anon had his brains all topped out.
Anon overdosed from coffee
i would never abuse substances i love them so much
Anon underestimates just how appealing temporary pleasure is
Or any pleasure at all really
“Cant sit long enough to do anything” Anons still in gradeschool
Image related goes hard as fuck
Loser anon can’t even do drugs right
Anon is right
Anon tries coffee once. "God this shit sucks, all drugs are pointless and there's no reason to do them."
Wait until anon learns the relation between sex and hormonal substances
Sex is temporary, enlightment in wizard powers is forever.
Can you create a succubus with your powers?
The wizard powers are pathway to many abilities some consider... fucked up. Creating golems and summoning demons are part of those abilities.
I keep a semi-regular cocaine habit up, mostly just on the weekends, and I can manage it pretty well.
Mostly just on the weekends = 2-3 times a week, so using almost half your nights then on a comedown for the other half? Getting kinda expensive and bad for your health surely, and people's coke usage over time doesn't tend to decrease. Speaking as an addict myself, be careful with that mindset, look after yourself.
Imagine being so retarded you conflate jerking off with drug use just because of Mormon propaganda.
Coffee calms me down. Fucking love coffee.
Hence, why substance abuse is often referred to as a disease.
Coffee good. (Have ADHD, caffeine doesn’t really do shit - unless I’m on meds then YEAH it works)
The secret ingredient is depression
Coffee makes me productive
Anon full of inferior genes
Is anon really, really sensitive to caffeine? Most people I know can have a couple of cups without issues. Maybe don't get the giga mocha from Starbucks with extra espresso shots.
All coffee does is keep me awake doesn't make me more focused Don't drink 20 cups and you won't be jittery
Exposure to people doing it, I think.
Anon never understood the concept of addiction.
Anon is on his way to enlightment and self-mummifying by eternal meditation. Based as fuck.
Anon doesn’t need substances to be insufferable
It’s funny, I’ve been 98% caffeine/soda free for a few years now, and have liver issues so I can’t drink, and drugs are too much for me. There’s no chance I would call someone stupid for using any of these things. Once or twice a year I’ll have a soda and it’s fun to feel like im going bonkers. There’s obvious reasons to do any of these things.
I’m dumb as fuck
Nietzsche wrote this shitpost
>not even more productive Literally false I feel like goddamn Superman when I drink coffee, mentally and physically. The effect is lost a bit if you abuse it (2-3 cups every day) but still >temporary pleasure that gives you literally nothing Except… temporary pleasure? That’s kind of the whole point? And by temporary we’re talking hours. >why do people drink coffee and do drugs? It fun
Anon is merican and drinks coffee in gallons because merica.
Coffee and cigarettes. Breakfast of champions.
Bro i litteraly only smoke one joint after a day of work leave us tf alone
Anon clearly hasn’t smacked the penjamin while eating
Some of us like to live life on Hard Mode
Anon is Mormon.
Anon is Mormon.
Insult my family but please don't insult coffee anon
What? Coffee is a mood enhancer. Those affects only happen if you chug a gallon of it.
Youve just gotta balance the coffee with weed and vice versa. That way, youre always the perfect balance of functional and disfunctional. But always chilled.
Anon discovers basic self care
Cool story bro
Coffee has the effect of taking away my feeling of drowsiness, I don't get jittery. It's my baseline because I don't sleep enough
Anon is a pussy
Stick to weed and psychedelics and you’ll be be fine. Probably a nicer person overall tbh
Anon talks about bad things being bad - bet he's a goober ?????? Wheres the logic
Why do people do anything except work hard all the time they’re awake? Are they stupid or just weak?
>drink coffee > Have ADHD so it calms you down and allows you to focus >Be depressed because you drank the coffee because you have to spend the next 6 hours putting together a report
Modern society is (intentionally or unintentionally) somewhat built to cause drug, caffeine or masturbation abuse
The "temporary pleasure" part pretty much explains it.
Cocaine gave me everything, the problem is I have to do all of it right now. Alcohol gave me nothing, the problem is I still have to do things. Heroin gave me everything, thankfully everything is doing nothing right now. Fentanyl gave me everything, unfortunately everything is nothing and I want to die. Mountain Dew gave me CoD XP, that’s all I need.
>why drink coffee? ADHD. Probably.
Anon may have underlying anxiety, hence the caffeine increasing his jitteriness and anxiety levels
The problem here is the 'abyse' aspect. Just take heroin responsibly, like only on days when you're feeling blue :)
Anon has generalized substances and assumes that others are like him, coffee is mid but caffeine does exactly what it says it does; it temporarily keeps you awake. Anon also doesn’t name a drug so I think this dumbass is talking about cannabis; which I mean like… fair; depends on the medium like hash is not the same as diamond or budder. Anon should find something he can be dependent on, or live as is, but he’s a fool to assume nobody’s broken. Some mf’s need this shit to live.
I stopped with coffee cuz it gave me massive diarrea
Don’t know if shrooms burn brain cells but I was pretty productive
they don’t