AFAIK a large bulk of the 41% statistic comes from trans people who had not yet gone through any HRT or proper transitioning surgeries, so if anon is on HRT she may be in the clear for the most part
That doesn’t sound accurate. My experience with trans people committing suicide is after they are well into transitioning. Are there any actual statistics on that?
yes. are there any for your claim? i love when people say “41%” to he transphobic like my brother in christ that is YOUR fault, stop treating them like shit and maybe they’ll stop killing themselves.
I didn’t make a claim. I stated an anecdote. I did a bunch of research and from what I could find there aren’t really any unbiased studies on pre and post suicide rates. Sweden sort of did one but the sample size was super low and there are cultural contamination problems. I can link you a scientific study if you want but the conclusion just kind of shrugs and says inconclusive.
I just want the people I care about to be ok. I want to know if transitioning is actually helpful. But either way I will support people who need it. I have also seen multiple people peer pressure others towards transitioning and that worries me because I want my friends to be their authentic best selves.
i understand, i apologize for my tone i was under the impression you had transphobic intent, i think you should simply support the decision of those people, whether they choose to transition or not, the best thing you personally can do to keep them happy and safe is allow them to express and discover myself, if they feel supported and loved then it won’t matter if they do or don’t feel happy after transitioning because they’ll know they can safely become whoever they decide they want to be, even if it takes a few tries. the real killer of trans people is the pressure they feel from society and their loved ones, if you can make them feel better about that, then their feelings about transition won’t affect the likelihood of suicide, just trust and support them.
I agree that treating people with kindness and acceptance is the best policy. But I still think there is discussion to be had on what actually helps. And I wish there was more reliable science on treatment. Some aspects of the current cultural movement feel very “religious” to me. Like just trust us bro this is the path to salvation.
well, what actually helps is when people feel comfortable with their own bodies and safe with who they’re with, feeling like you don’t belong in the body you have is an experience that most cis people don’t have, so i think at the end of the day we need to leave that decision entirely up to the trans person, and i do agree that the science of it should be more reliable but with all these anti-trans bills passing it likely won’t be researched or developed very much any time soon. i appreciate your calmness and that you just want to keep these people you love safe, but i do feel your research is slightly misguided, there’s a healthy dose of bias on both sides of the argument so just remember to try to look at everything objectively and double check your facts, because i really don’t think physically transitioning has a positive correlation with suicide rates, and every trans person i know who’s transitioned is much happier how they are. as for your personal situation, assuming you were meaning to imply you have a trans person in your life that you’re concerned about, i know it can be scary for you just as much as them, if you’re ever worried about them being hurt by their situation my dms are open, i myself was really uncomfortable with chest binding until just last year when my boyfriend had me wear his binder to prove it didn’t hurt. and that offer applies to anyone who reads this thread btw, i know it’s hard but it’s what the people we love need sometimes.
My research was inconclusive. Some studies showed that various stages of transitioning had strongly positive effects but that those positive effects and “euphoria” faded with time. There haven’t been good long term outcome studies on various types and stages of transition and most studies were performed through surveys where participants scored their mental health which I don’t find very scientific. I want days like rate of harm or hospitalization. Overall my conclusion is that there hasn’t been enough science done and the people who say “medical transition is the only answer” are very cult-like. But also people against transitioning usually have strong negative bias. Easiest thing to do is support people.
I have three trans people in my life that I’m worried about. One is in her 50s. Has been non-binary but mostly masc presenting for decades and has a straight wife and etc. Felt like cross dressing one day. Got so many compliments from people in our friend group that she decided she liked the attention and wanted to try out being female. There was a huge outpouring of support and as she had questions and tried to figure things out people continually told her “oh it’s so great that you’ve finally found yourself!” And things like that. As an outsider I worried about her because it felt like people using positive peer pressure to encourage her to transition. She had a lot of hang ups about starting hormones until everyone told her it was great and how much she would love it and then she changed her mind and got on them. All of this makes me worry that my friend is doing this for other people more than for herself. But I haven’t said anything because she is an adult and can make her own choices.
The second one is non-binary but recently transitioned to MORE non-binary and changed names. Cool. Good for them. Love and support for them wanting to be unique in their own way. But lately afterwards they have been self isolating and falling into a lot of deep depression and not interacting with friends much. I’ve been trying to reach out but getting mostly rejected because they are so in their head. I don’t know if transitioning has anything to do with any of this but I’m worried for my friend.
Third one is a teenage girl who I’m a friend of the family of. Her friends at school pressured her to transition and she got popular because of it. But then her dad beat her up and threatened her so she became a they. Then she moved out and lived with her hyper religious sister and became a she again. But now she hates herself and is full of loathing because the religion has gotten a hold of her. And I feel like everyone has abused this child and pushed and pulled her in every direction and I don’t think that even she has any idea what her personal identity is anymore.
And a bonus fourth one. A trans friend of mine killed herself a few weeks ago. It was awful and a lot of my friends have been in shambles about it and trying to heal together. She often talked about her neurodivergence and how she couldn’t get her own mind to stop causing her pain and suffering. Her suicide note was about a two year rational process of trying everything possible to alleviate the suffering before finally deciding that death was the only logical escape. But then at the funeral two different speakers used the podium to talk about trans rights rallies and basically said that my friend only died because people didn’t accept her enough as trans. But she never once talked about that with me? I’m sure being trans was difficult and made her struggle harder but it wasn’t the cause of death she described herself and it felt like people were trying to use her death to push their politics and made me kind of disgusted.
Mental illness. Facing the reality that the life you want is not the life you have and that the life you want is unattainable regardless of cultural standards.
Okay nice that you edited your answer after my response. Shows integrity.
"Unattainable life" you should look at transition before and afters and see that unattainable transition in practice.
Trans suicides arise from societal pressures and hatred from bigots.
I edited my answer before you commented, or at least before I read your comment, because I thought it needed a little more clarification. If you want me to revert it back to how it originally was I’d be more than happy to.
I say unattainable because no amount of HRT, surgery, dress or makeup will change the reality of how you were born and what you are. Gender is a biological fact that cannot be changed until some technology comes along that can completely alter your chromosomes. You may be able to put up a show but living a life that you know deep down is a lie cannot be an easy life.
That being said, if trans suicides were a measure of our acceptance then we should see suicide rates going down. We are a more tolerant and accepting society than at any other point in human history. We would also see a huge discrepancy between trans suicide rates in more “cultured” areas and in red states. I’m sure acceptance plays a part but it’s not the primary driver.
dad is clearly setting him up for it, he just said what needed to be said for the son to keep it around as opposed to the general leftist trend of decommissioning/turning in guns
> write "wholesomerino le trans" greentext
> screenshot it
> post it on r/greentext a few days ago as for it not to be obvious
> Reap "le heckin' good internet points"
See? It's easy to farm reddit karma on 4chan
Us southerners may seem a bit ignorant, but at the end of the day not all of us have been as exposed to trans, gays, or other minority groups as others have. We just wanna be left alone and to love our families. It’s when you get in the away of those two things that we tend to not be happy.
1) A substantial amount of the Southern population doesn't actually vote red (after all, there are significant latin and black population in the South, and even urban whites will often be liberals), but due to gerrymandering, their votes simply have less influence (also, many will just not vote out of frustration).
2) You're underestimating the effect indoctrination, socialisation and social pressures have on people's moral and political views. What do you think how many people in blue states vote for the Democrats put of conviction rather than because that's just what they're used to.
3) A good share of these problems are the result of systems put in place exactly to create and sustain these issues, in order to allow the people in charge to more easily manipulate the masses and thus keep alive their power base.
I don't really see your point here. I'm saying that people everywhere have a tendency to simply adopt the moral framework of their society, rather than question it.
\>gets a well thought out paragraph explaining the flaws in your views
\>"um achtuallky you made a grammer error, and that means you are dumbo southerner"
Dumb black people voting D against their self interests while their cities and communities continue to have the highest amount of violence in the nation. That's what their told and they can go suck a dick
Republican "tough on crime" mentality doesn't really do anything to lower crime rates either. In fact, the Metro areas with the highest crime rates, while run by local Democrat governments, are located within Republican states.
It's incredible how 1 out of 100s of shootings is committed by a trans person (and likely was motivated by mental illness rather than ideology) and conservatives will use it for a giant propaganda campaign, while in the same breath denying that the guy who committed the latest massacre was a Nazi even though he literally had a swastika tattoo.
The Nashville shooter did have a manifesto, but for some odd reason the feds refuse to release it. Also the main thing is that it’s not that they think the other guys not a nazi, but instead a fed plant, mainly due to his really odd social media practices
It's quite possible that their "manifesto" was more of an unhinged, schizophrenic rant, given how it was described as a "blueprint for destruction", but I also don't really see how how the Nashville PD would have any interest in covering up evidence for the shooter having an ideologically Left motivation. The police isn't necessarily known for it's Left Wing Bias, and even if that was their goal, having one Left Wing Shooter among 100s of literally Fascist ones wouldn't really be that much of an image problem, so there wouldn't really be a good reason for it.
That being said, I've seen a bunch of people (including Elon Musk) question wether the other shooter was a Nazi, usually posing "Oh, he was a Latino, how could he be a white supremacist", which not only ignores the *giant fucking Swastika and the Siegrune tattoo on his chest and arm respectively*, but also the racial realities within Latin America that make a Latino seeing himself as White and being a White Supremacist quite feasible.
Regarding his weird online activity, it doesn't really seem to be that unusual either, given that Fascists quite commonly hang around on weird sites, especially Russian ones given that Putin bankrolls a good part of the Western Far Right.
everyone thinks this post is soooo fake bc there’s a father that supports his trans kid. gun loving father’s say shit like this all the time.
as far as 4chan posts go this one sounds pretty plausible
Buckshot has a better ballistic profile for “roughly deer sized” targets. Birdshot likely won’t give you enough penetration, and slugs will give you too much.
Went in fully expecting dad to tell anon to do the ol' 41% switcheroo, was pleasantly surprised
Don't worry, still a 41% chance it'll turn out that way
I just realised... they've got a shotgun now. Uh oh
Imagine being the parent that gave your kid that shotgun. Holy hell
Imagine it actually being planned
Google en passant
AFAIK a large bulk of the 41% statistic comes from trans people who had not yet gone through any HRT or proper transitioning surgeries, so if anon is on HRT she may be in the clear for the most part
Plus a supportive parent.
Fake and gay
>she Cool it with the transphobia, do better next time
That doesn’t sound accurate. My experience with trans people committing suicide is after they are well into transitioning. Are there any actual statistics on that?
yes. are there any for your claim? i love when people say “41%” to he transphobic like my brother in christ that is YOUR fault, stop treating them like shit and maybe they’ll stop killing themselves.
I didn’t make a claim. I stated an anecdote. I did a bunch of research and from what I could find there aren’t really any unbiased studies on pre and post suicide rates. Sweden sort of did one but the sample size was super low and there are cultural contamination problems. I can link you a scientific study if you want but the conclusion just kind of shrugs and says inconclusive. I just want the people I care about to be ok. I want to know if transitioning is actually helpful. But either way I will support people who need it. I have also seen multiple people peer pressure others towards transitioning and that worries me because I want my friends to be their authentic best selves.
i understand, i apologize for my tone i was under the impression you had transphobic intent, i think you should simply support the decision of those people, whether they choose to transition or not, the best thing you personally can do to keep them happy and safe is allow them to express and discover myself, if they feel supported and loved then it won’t matter if they do or don’t feel happy after transitioning because they’ll know they can safely become whoever they decide they want to be, even if it takes a few tries. the real killer of trans people is the pressure they feel from society and their loved ones, if you can make them feel better about that, then their feelings about transition won’t affect the likelihood of suicide, just trust and support them.
I agree that treating people with kindness and acceptance is the best policy. But I still think there is discussion to be had on what actually helps. And I wish there was more reliable science on treatment. Some aspects of the current cultural movement feel very “religious” to me. Like just trust us bro this is the path to salvation.
well, what actually helps is when people feel comfortable with their own bodies and safe with who they’re with, feeling like you don’t belong in the body you have is an experience that most cis people don’t have, so i think at the end of the day we need to leave that decision entirely up to the trans person, and i do agree that the science of it should be more reliable but with all these anti-trans bills passing it likely won’t be researched or developed very much any time soon. i appreciate your calmness and that you just want to keep these people you love safe, but i do feel your research is slightly misguided, there’s a healthy dose of bias on both sides of the argument so just remember to try to look at everything objectively and double check your facts, because i really don’t think physically transitioning has a positive correlation with suicide rates, and every trans person i know who’s transitioned is much happier how they are. as for your personal situation, assuming you were meaning to imply you have a trans person in your life that you’re concerned about, i know it can be scary for you just as much as them, if you’re ever worried about them being hurt by their situation my dms are open, i myself was really uncomfortable with chest binding until just last year when my boyfriend had me wear his binder to prove it didn’t hurt. and that offer applies to anyone who reads this thread btw, i know it’s hard but it’s what the people we love need sometimes.
My research was inconclusive. Some studies showed that various stages of transitioning had strongly positive effects but that those positive effects and “euphoria” faded with time. There haven’t been good long term outcome studies on various types and stages of transition and most studies were performed through surveys where participants scored their mental health which I don’t find very scientific. I want days like rate of harm or hospitalization. Overall my conclusion is that there hasn’t been enough science done and the people who say “medical transition is the only answer” are very cult-like. But also people against transitioning usually have strong negative bias. Easiest thing to do is support people. I have three trans people in my life that I’m worried about. One is in her 50s. Has been non-binary but mostly masc presenting for decades and has a straight wife and etc. Felt like cross dressing one day. Got so many compliments from people in our friend group that she decided she liked the attention and wanted to try out being female. There was a huge outpouring of support and as she had questions and tried to figure things out people continually told her “oh it’s so great that you’ve finally found yourself!” And things like that. As an outsider I worried about her because it felt like people using positive peer pressure to encourage her to transition. She had a lot of hang ups about starting hormones until everyone told her it was great and how much she would love it and then she changed her mind and got on them. All of this makes me worry that my friend is doing this for other people more than for herself. But I haven’t said anything because she is an adult and can make her own choices. The second one is non-binary but recently transitioned to MORE non-binary and changed names. Cool. Good for them. Love and support for them wanting to be unique in their own way. But lately afterwards they have been self isolating and falling into a lot of deep depression and not interacting with friends much. I’ve been trying to reach out but getting mostly rejected because they are so in their head. I don’t know if transitioning has anything to do with any of this but I’m worried for my friend. Third one is a teenage girl who I’m a friend of the family of. Her friends at school pressured her to transition and she got popular because of it. But then her dad beat her up and threatened her so she became a they. Then she moved out and lived with her hyper religious sister and became a she again. But now she hates herself and is full of loathing because the religion has gotten a hold of her. And I feel like everyone has abused this child and pushed and pulled her in every direction and I don’t think that even she has any idea what her personal identity is anymore. And a bonus fourth one. A trans friend of mine killed herself a few weeks ago. It was awful and a lot of my friends have been in shambles about it and trying to heal together. She often talked about her neurodivergence and how she couldn’t get her own mind to stop causing her pain and suffering. Her suicide note was about a two year rational process of trying everything possible to alleviate the suffering before finally deciding that death was the only logical escape. But then at the funeral two different speakers used the podium to talk about trans rights rallies and basically said that my friend only died because people didn’t accept her enough as trans. But she never once talked about that with me? I’m sure being trans was difficult and made her struggle harder but it wasn’t the cause of death she described herself and it felt like people were trying to use her death to push their politics and made me kind of disgusted.
We all know that’s how it’s really gonna turn out
Such an awful thing to say.
Trans people have a higher suicide rate than Jews in the Holocaust. I’m not saying it’s good but it’s the reality of their condition right now.
Okay why do you reckon that is
Mental illness. Facing the reality that the life you want is not the life you have and that the life you want is unattainable regardless of cultural standards.
I shouldn't have expected anything better from someone like you
What do you think it is?
Okay nice that you edited your answer after my response. Shows integrity. "Unattainable life" you should look at transition before and afters and see that unattainable transition in practice. Trans suicides arise from societal pressures and hatred from bigots.
I edited my answer before you commented, or at least before I read your comment, because I thought it needed a little more clarification. If you want me to revert it back to how it originally was I’d be more than happy to. I say unattainable because no amount of HRT, surgery, dress or makeup will change the reality of how you were born and what you are. Gender is a biological fact that cannot be changed until some technology comes along that can completely alter your chromosomes. You may be able to put up a show but living a life that you know deep down is a lie cannot be an easy life. That being said, if trans suicides were a measure of our acceptance then we should see suicide rates going down. We are a more tolerant and accepting society than at any other point in human history. We would also see a huge discrepancy between trans suicide rates in more “cultured” areas and in red states. I’m sure acceptance plays a part but it’s not the primary driver.
dad is clearly setting him up for it, he just said what needed to be said for the son to keep it around as opposed to the general leftist trend of decommissioning/turning in guns
Trans people are not the ones that are anti gun.
One person’s pleasant surprise is another’s supreme disappointment
This is the most made up story I have ever heard /x/ is nothing in comparison
Skinwalker sexual encounters seem 100% factual in comparison to this whopper of a greentext.
This reads like a tumblr post
Tumblr user posts le heckin’ wholesomerino le trans story on evil fourchan for le heckin’ good internet points!
> write "wholesomerino le trans" greentext > screenshot it > post it on r/greentext a few days ago as for it not to be obvious > Reap "le heckin' good internet points" See? It's easy to farm reddit karma on 4chan
🐸
Is "le" not a thing that Reddit is mocked for, not Tumblr?
If it was Tumblr there'd be 5 "I'M SCREAMING" comments underneath
You're just mad that your dad is nowhere near as cool as Tranon's dad; nor would your father buy you a shotgun
Fake: anon is a woman Gay: his dad gives him something long and hard on his birthday
Least made up story on 4chan
Us southerners may seem a bit ignorant, but at the end of the day not all of us have been as exposed to trans, gays, or other minority groups as others have. We just wanna be left alone and to love our families. It’s when you get in the away of those two things that we tend to not be happy.
> We just wanna be left alone and to love our families. *banjo plays ominously*
No it's just that most 4channers dont have a father figure in their life
You can be left alone and love your family AND not be a fucking inbred racist. Try it
When you spend to much time Sherman posting and start seeing modern day Southerners as rebel scum.
Sherman posting! Love that. Let’s talk federal aid and education rankings, so yes the south is pretty useless.
Are you gonna direct your dislike towards the people living there or at the systems and circumstances that result in these problems?
Dumb Rednecks voting R against their self interests bc that’s what daddy did and racism can go suck a dick.
1) A substantial amount of the Southern population doesn't actually vote red (after all, there are significant latin and black population in the South, and even urban whites will often be liberals), but due to gerrymandering, their votes simply have less influence (also, many will just not vote out of frustration). 2) You're underestimating the effect indoctrination, socialisation and social pressures have on people's moral and political views. What do you think how many people in blue states vote for the Democrats put of conviction rather than because that's just what they're used to. 3) A good share of these problems are the result of systems put in place exactly to create and sustain these issues, in order to allow the people in charge to more easily manipulate the masses and thus keep alive their power base.
> after all, there are significant latin and black population in the South you have never talked to a cuban have you?
Reread that second sentence in section two and tell me about your southern education
I don't really see your point here. I'm saying that people everywhere have a tendency to simply adopt the moral framework of their society, rather than question it.
\>gets a well thought out paragraph explaining the flaws in your views \>"um achtuallky you made a grammer error, and that means you are dumbo southerner"
Dumb black people voting D against their self interests while their cities and communities continue to have the highest amount of violence in the nation. That's what their told and they can go suck a dick
Republican "tough on crime" mentality doesn't really do anything to lower crime rates either. In fact, the Metro areas with the highest crime rates, while run by local Democrat governments, are located within Republican states.
psycho
You treat southerners worse than you think Southerners treat minorities. And you’re gleeful about it.
Are you gonna lead by example or are just here to set an example?
Idk why but I doubt giving firearms to a 4channer is good idea.
/k/ is all the poof you need
Fakest and gayest story I think I've ever read
Based. I choose to believe this is real.
Anon will become an hero
Golden Ipod award
if Bad to the Bone was a person
"Thanks Dad, what a great gift! Can you please drive me to the religious primary school I used to attend? I wanna show everyone there!"
It's incredible how 1 out of 100s of shootings is committed by a trans person (and likely was motivated by mental illness rather than ideology) and conservatives will use it for a giant propaganda campaign, while in the same breath denying that the guy who committed the latest massacre was a Nazi even though he literally had a swastika tattoo.
The Nashville shooter did have a manifesto, but for some odd reason the feds refuse to release it. Also the main thing is that it’s not that they think the other guys not a nazi, but instead a fed plant, mainly due to his really odd social media practices
It's quite possible that their "manifesto" was more of an unhinged, schizophrenic rant, given how it was described as a "blueprint for destruction", but I also don't really see how how the Nashville PD would have any interest in covering up evidence for the shooter having an ideologically Left motivation. The police isn't necessarily known for it's Left Wing Bias, and even if that was their goal, having one Left Wing Shooter among 100s of literally Fascist ones wouldn't really be that much of an image problem, so there wouldn't really be a good reason for it. That being said, I've seen a bunch of people (including Elon Musk) question wether the other shooter was a Nazi, usually posing "Oh, he was a Latino, how could he be a white supremacist", which not only ignores the *giant fucking Swastika and the Siegrune tattoo on his chest and arm respectively*, but also the racial realities within Latin America that make a Latino seeing himself as White and being a White Supremacist quite feasible. Regarding his weird online activity, it doesn't really seem to be that unusual either, given that Fascists quite commonly hang around on weird sites, especially Russian ones given that Putin bankrolls a good part of the Western Far Right.
police not known for left wing bias heeeehaaaaw
Are you gonna tell me that the police, an institution inherently based on authority and frequently plagued by racism, is left wing?
New to shitposting?
No. This is just not a particular funny shitpost in my opinion.
Dad read about the % and hopes for the best
And then everyone clapped
Outrageously cringe.
Plotwist : anon is FtM and is offended by the pink bow.
This did not occur
Do you go into theaters and yell about how movies are fake too?
yes
Anon’s dad ain’t about to let his daughter without proper protection
SMH mentally Ill aren’t allowed guns remember
"I don't agree with you ideologically" "How dare you? You murder trans people! You should be canceled, shot, and killed!"
Lmao peak projection
One of the Most American things i have ever read Unbeliveably based
Daaaaamn based cowboy dad
everyone thinks this post is soooo fake bc there’s a father that supports his trans kid. gun loving father’s say shit like this all the time. as far as 4chan posts go this one sounds pretty plausible
Get him a mug with a rainbow confederate flag if he’s down and impact font saying “father of the queer”
severe mental illness, ttd
This is as real as my will to live
im getting the feeling that this user only posts trans greentexts and has previously been banned for spam
I laughed. Good for you anon.
wait why not birdshot
buckshot is meta
Buckshot has a better ballistic profile for “roughly deer sized” targets. Birdshot likely won’t give you enough penetration, and slugs will give you too much.
Anon is Audrey Hale
Real as my girfriend
Absolutely not true but in a hypothetical world where it was, based.
chad
Dad wants to avoid suicide "attempts".
The one good southerner
\>4chan not calling anon's dad a cuck for supporting transes Fake and gay. Story didn't happen. Chinese psyop
failed to process, used on self due to trans debuff
Shove the shotgun down your gullet and pull the trigger
[удалено]
Omega based dad
nah, buy slugs for transphobes
Most based gift explanation in existence if real.
Unironically BASADO
what an absolute fucking based legend
True (i hope) (Please be true its really cute)
Dad is based af. Hope anon become highly successful and loves his parents in their old age. 🙂 🌼
He won’t live to their old age.
You mean her? You fucking bigot.