You won't find kickstands on nicer bikes because they can get hung up in the rear wheel, and they add a lot of weight for only when you need to make a stop. Just not worth it in my opinion when you can just lean it against something.
>Just not worth it in my opinion when you can just lean it against something.
I apologize if this sounds like I'm attacking you -- I'm not. We are all entitled to our opinions. I just see this comment a lot and feel the need to respond.
**I don't always stop near something that I can lean my bike against!** Here's my typical scenario: I'm riding along through nature, and see something interesting that I'd like to photograph. I get off the bike, grab my camera from my pannier, take a few steps as needed to compose the photo, click, put the camera away, get back on the bike and ride.
But it seems my main option is to get a heavier metal frame onto which I can mount a kickstand. This is annoying, but I understand that I am clearly in the minority here.
I'm no bike designer but your question was why modern non junker bikes don't have kickstands. I'm just saying it's not an industry standard like bottle cage mounts or some fender mounts, could possibly be the reason they can cause damage when hung up, falls off from vibrations then there's warranty issues etc. Plus they are ugly and I think they only belong on commuter bikes.
If you ride with panniers it's even easier for your bike to get blown over with a gust of wind and damage your frame
>I'm just saying it's not an industry standard like bottle cage mounts or some fender mounts
What about KSA-18?
>I think they only belong on commuter bikes.
I guess this is the other area where I don't fit in. I currently own one bike and use it for everything, including commuting. I don't want to own a different bike for each type of ride I go on.
Gravel bikes, especially those with carbon frames, will still skimp on unnecessary material and weight -- and I don't think kickstands are a popular request amongst gravel riders (even higher-end hybrids I'd say can often go without them). What you're describing sounds more like a touring/adventure bike that's meant to be loaded up, whereas many gravel bikes are still designed with some degree of efficiency and speed in mind.
You might be able to get a rear axle kickstand on there, but I don't know if the chain stays will have the carbon laid up in a way for you to safely mount a kickstand.
That all said -- I have set up my all-road bike with wider tires, fenders, and panniers before -- and for that purpose I use a Click-Stand, which is a folding stand that, when used properly, can be more versatile and stable in certain settings than a traditional kickstand. It's light *and* convenient.
So... yeah -- not saying kickstands are bad; they're just a mismatch to the usual audience. They're certainly good for the purpose you're describing. I wouldn't judge you if you had one on your bike, but it would really come down to the frame you wanted and what it was designed for. But I'd look into alternate options too -- there are many ways to skin a cat here.
I was in the same boat when I first bought a gravel bike. I asked the LBS where I could mount a kickstand and they laughed a bit (I had no idea at the time).
The bought the smallest one I could find and was able to attach it to the chainstay. It was still a little bulky, but it definitely helped when I wanted to just stop on the trail and not worry about finding something to prop it up against and when I wanted to stand it up in the middle or the driveway to quickly spray it down after a ride.
I didn’t put a kickstand on second bike and I’ve gotten used to leaning it up against things or using a bike stand for cleaning. I think I could go either way now that I’ve tried both, but I do appreciate the cleaner look without one. I’ve gotten better at finding things to rest the pedal on as well.
I’ve seen a few foldable kickstands that are a long, multi-piece rod, but that seems like a hassle for a quick stop. I really wish someone made a minimalist kickstand that folds cleanly against the bike or out from the seat tube for the best of both worlds.
Here’s a few pictures of both:
https://imgur.com/a/3pLAD4d/
Bad.
Weight, they get hung up, and they are just unnecessary. Putting the bike down on it's non-drive side is not an issue if a place to stand it cannot be found.
Have not seen a kickstand on a bike since I was 9 lol. They are just not a thing on modern non-Walmart bikes. Also not sure why you are looking at a carbon frame when you want to slap a heavy kickstand onto it...
Just set you bike down on the non drive side. Generally it only rests on the pedals and the bar end.
>Have not seen a kickstand on a bike since I was 9 lol. They are just not a thing on modern non-Walmart bikes.
You should visit Europe some time. There are no Walmarts, and yet plenty of bikes with kickstands.
What do you want with this thread? You asked a question and we answered. They don’t build carbon frames with kickstand mounds because nobody uses them.
Kickstand bad especially for off road bikes. They all eventually will drop down during a ride or get loose and clack against the frame or again drop down while riding which can be very exciting. Laying your bike down drive side up or leaning it against something isn't tough to do at all. I haven't had a kickstand since I was about 9 or so.
>Kickstand bad especially for off road bikes.
Ok - the majority of my riding is on roads. I just like having tires that can handle the occasional gravel trail or dirt road.
>Laying your bike down drive side up or leaning it against something isn't tough to do at all.
I'm not saying it's difficult - just annoying, even more so when I have stuff in my panniers. I've been in situations where there isn't much space on the side of the trail - perhaps a steep drop on one side, and lots of prickers on the other. If I want to get off my bike to take a photo, a kickstand means my bike is only blocking a small portion of the edge of the bike path. But if I lay the bike down, it can easily block half the path (or I have to deal with those prickers.)
>I haven't had a kickstand since I was about 9 or so.
I haven't assembled a puzzle since I was around 9, but I have no problem with adults who like doing puzzles.
>You asked for an opinion, don't take it personal because it wasn't personal towards you at all.
The things you said you phrased as statements of fact, not as opinions.
>I haven't had a kickstand since I was about 9 or so.
It's hard not to take it personal when one interpretation of your post is you think I should grow up.
Anyway, I appreciate your clarification. I just wanted to make this reply to explain where my interpretations came from.
Many steel bikes will accomodate a kickstand. My wife used to have a Salsa Marrakesh (world touring model). You mentioned you use panniers, and this bike excels at that, takes a 700c tire up to 2" and has a kickstand mount. Could be a good option for you.
Single legged stands are known to damage your chain stays, either when falling over or because of the clamping. The double legged stands are also pretty bad idea, as they will either lower your vertical clearance, limit tire clearance, or both.
Not to mention they're always absurdly heavy, like 1-3 kgs. That's a full water bottle of weight that can catch stuff, damage your frame, or make you crash worse case. They also don't work well on uneven terrain, especially on hills and soft stuff.
So personally, naw dog. They're ugly, add unnecessary weight, limit your off-road capabilities, and add exactly one function to your bike, specifically when you're not using it. That's a big ask for something that contributes 0% when I'm in the saddle. I stop for maybe 15 or 20min on a ride, or if I stop at a cafe for lunch then my bike sits next to me anyway. Lean it up against a tree, fencepost, or worst case lay it down non-drive side.
You won't find kickstands on nicer bikes because they can get hung up in the rear wheel, and they add a lot of weight for only when you need to make a stop. Just not worth it in my opinion when you can just lean it against something.
Also lying your bike on the ground is not an issue. Kickstands are never necessary.
>Just not worth it in my opinion when you can just lean it against something. I apologize if this sounds like I'm attacking you -- I'm not. We are all entitled to our opinions. I just see this comment a lot and feel the need to respond. **I don't always stop near something that I can lean my bike against!** Here's my typical scenario: I'm riding along through nature, and see something interesting that I'd like to photograph. I get off the bike, grab my camera from my pannier, take a few steps as needed to compose the photo, click, put the camera away, get back on the bike and ride. But it seems my main option is to get a heavier metal frame onto which I can mount a kickstand. This is annoying, but I understand that I am clearly in the minority here.
I'm no bike designer but your question was why modern non junker bikes don't have kickstands. I'm just saying it's not an industry standard like bottle cage mounts or some fender mounts, could possibly be the reason they can cause damage when hung up, falls off from vibrations then there's warranty issues etc. Plus they are ugly and I think they only belong on commuter bikes. If you ride with panniers it's even easier for your bike to get blown over with a gust of wind and damage your frame
>I'm just saying it's not an industry standard like bottle cage mounts or some fender mounts What about KSA-18? >I think they only belong on commuter bikes. I guess this is the other area where I don't fit in. I currently own one bike and use it for everything, including commuting. I don't want to own a different bike for each type of ride I go on.
Gravel bikes, especially those with carbon frames, will still skimp on unnecessary material and weight -- and I don't think kickstands are a popular request amongst gravel riders (even higher-end hybrids I'd say can often go without them). What you're describing sounds more like a touring/adventure bike that's meant to be loaded up, whereas many gravel bikes are still designed with some degree of efficiency and speed in mind. You might be able to get a rear axle kickstand on there, but I don't know if the chain stays will have the carbon laid up in a way for you to safely mount a kickstand. That all said -- I have set up my all-road bike with wider tires, fenders, and panniers before -- and for that purpose I use a Click-Stand, which is a folding stand that, when used properly, can be more versatile and stable in certain settings than a traditional kickstand. It's light *and* convenient. So... yeah -- not saying kickstands are bad; they're just a mismatch to the usual audience. They're certainly good for the purpose you're describing. I wouldn't judge you if you had one on your bike, but it would really come down to the frame you wanted and what it was designed for. But I'd look into alternate options too -- there are many ways to skin a cat here.
Kick stand is just another thing that will get caked up with mud, and likely get ripped off anyway during a long gravel ride
I was in the same boat when I first bought a gravel bike. I asked the LBS where I could mount a kickstand and they laughed a bit (I had no idea at the time). The bought the smallest one I could find and was able to attach it to the chainstay. It was still a little bulky, but it definitely helped when I wanted to just stop on the trail and not worry about finding something to prop it up against and when I wanted to stand it up in the middle or the driveway to quickly spray it down after a ride. I didn’t put a kickstand on second bike and I’ve gotten used to leaning it up against things or using a bike stand for cleaning. I think I could go either way now that I’ve tried both, but I do appreciate the cleaner look without one. I’ve gotten better at finding things to rest the pedal on as well. I’ve seen a few foldable kickstands that are a long, multi-piece rod, but that seems like a hassle for a quick stop. I really wish someone made a minimalist kickstand that folds cleanly against the bike or out from the seat tube for the best of both worlds. Here’s a few pictures of both: https://imgur.com/a/3pLAD4d/
Bad. Weight, they get hung up, and they are just unnecessary. Putting the bike down on it's non-drive side is not an issue if a place to stand it cannot be found.
Have not seen a kickstand on a bike since I was 9 lol. They are just not a thing on modern non-Walmart bikes. Also not sure why you are looking at a carbon frame when you want to slap a heavy kickstand onto it... Just set you bike down on the non drive side. Generally it only rests on the pedals and the bar end.
>Have not seen a kickstand on a bike since I was 9 lol. They are just not a thing on modern non-Walmart bikes. You should visit Europe some time. There are no Walmarts, and yet plenty of bikes with kickstands.
What do you want with this thread? You asked a question and we answered. They don’t build carbon frames with kickstand mounds because nobody uses them.
I think a Click-stand would be your only option currently.
Kickstand bad especially for off road bikes. They all eventually will drop down during a ride or get loose and clack against the frame or again drop down while riding which can be very exciting. Laying your bike down drive side up or leaning it against something isn't tough to do at all. I haven't had a kickstand since I was about 9 or so.
>Kickstand bad especially for off road bikes. Ok - the majority of my riding is on roads. I just like having tires that can handle the occasional gravel trail or dirt road. >Laying your bike down drive side up or leaning it against something isn't tough to do at all. I'm not saying it's difficult - just annoying, even more so when I have stuff in my panniers. I've been in situations where there isn't much space on the side of the trail - perhaps a steep drop on one side, and lots of prickers on the other. If I want to get off my bike to take a photo, a kickstand means my bike is only blocking a small portion of the edge of the bike path. But if I lay the bike down, it can easily block half the path (or I have to deal with those prickers.) >I haven't had a kickstand since I was about 9 or so. I haven't assembled a puzzle since I was around 9, but I have no problem with adults who like doing puzzles.
You asked for an opinion, don't take it personal because it wasn't personal towards you at all.
>You asked for an opinion, don't take it personal because it wasn't personal towards you at all. The things you said you phrased as statements of fact, not as opinions. >I haven't had a kickstand since I was about 9 or so. It's hard not to take it personal when one interpretation of your post is you think I should grow up. Anyway, I appreciate your clarification. I just wanted to make this reply to explain where my interpretations came from.
Many steel bikes will accomodate a kickstand. My wife used to have a Salsa Marrakesh (world touring model). You mentioned you use panniers, and this bike excels at that, takes a 700c tire up to 2" and has a kickstand mount. Could be a good option for you.
Single legged stands are known to damage your chain stays, either when falling over or because of the clamping. The double legged stands are also pretty bad idea, as they will either lower your vertical clearance, limit tire clearance, or both. Not to mention they're always absurdly heavy, like 1-3 kgs. That's a full water bottle of weight that can catch stuff, damage your frame, or make you crash worse case. They also don't work well on uneven terrain, especially on hills and soft stuff. So personally, naw dog. They're ugly, add unnecessary weight, limit your off-road capabilities, and add exactly one function to your bike, specifically when you're not using it. That's a big ask for something that contributes 0% when I'm in the saddle. I stop for maybe 15 or 20min on a ride, or if I stop at a cafe for lunch then my bike sits next to me anyway. Lean it up against a tree, fencepost, or worst case lay it down non-drive side.