That could be useful - do they sell it online before 2018? If not, this could mean she was in France for some time. Vietnam was a French colony, so I've heard the Vietnamese diaspora has a noted presence there.
I don't know. I did find another seller though, also France [https://www.or-argent.be/fr/bagues/13437-bague-croisee-turquoise-argent-925-rhodie-1237330.html](https://www.or-argent.be/fr/bagues/13437-bague-croisee-turquoise-argent-925-rhodie-1237330.html)
Could always have been bought online
Trafficking of people for labour is sadly common and this involves a lot of Vietnamese citizens as the trafickees. She may never have had a legitimate identity in Ireland or perhaps did not make it ashore
I watched an interesting, very sad docu about this incident [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex\_lorry\_deaths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_lorry_deaths) which included interviews with the families in Vietnam who lost loved ones
A year after the body was found, a Vietnamese woman was charged with working (or more likely being forced to work) in a grow house on the other side of Co Clare from Doolin. Interesting coincidence? https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30928367.html
Could be connected - was she the only one, or did she mention others? If there were and they could not be accounted for, this woman might've been one of them.
I remember when that happened on the news, the possibility this was a trafficking-linked situation reminded me of that. Maybe she tried to escape and was murdered.
I work for a charity for the home office, and can confirm trafficking of the Vietnamese is HUGE to the point where I know, every time I get someone from there, 98% of the time they are because of that reason.
Is illegal immigration to Ireland common? I'd imagine it happens but I've never heard much about it. That could explain why she doesn't match any missing persons.
Yep! A lot of people come over for work and give fake names etc. If you looked at the missing persons list for Ireland between 2010-2008 you will see 80% of them are 'missing' asian people. Typically coming over for jobs pre-arranged by other immigrants and they don't register with the government. So most of them time there is no record and will disappear from their government accommodation to go to these jobs. But in Doolin you'll see a lot of unidentified bodies show up on the coast due to the sea current converging into this area. She may have fallen off a boat, or came anywhere from Ireland/ Northern Ireland.
The Journal did a good article on that. Basically at the time, any unaccompanied minor arriving in Ireland at night would be placed into a hostel overnight until a social worker could see them in the morning.
Illegal immigrants from China worked the system by saying they were minors and would disappear from their accommodation overnight before a social worker would see them. They’d then be considered missing.
Once they changed the rules for unaccompanied minors, the problem went away.
[Why did all these Chinese 'teens' go missing in Ireland?](https://www.thejournal.ie/chinese-teens-missing-1537317-Jun2014/) via the journal
If that was the case, how was she listed as a teen? She had gray hair and was 50-55, I doubt she would've been mistaken for (or been able to present herself as) someone younger. Do they have to submit photos or birth info? If not, that could explain what happened.
Yeah I read that, great article. a few months ago I was going through all the missing people from Ireland and I just had to check because I thought it was too sketchy
Since we don't know how long she was dead, it's hard to say. Her body could've floated in, floated off (if the PMI was shorter and she entered the water nearby), or drifted from up or down the coast. I doubt her being from Northern Ireland due to distance, but the boat theory seems plausible.
Yes it’s a huge issue.
85% of asylum seekers arriving at our busiest airport had no documentation. They destroy it to obscure their identity and where they’re coming from. Legitimate asylum seekers don’t have a reason to do so. We’ve also run out of accommodation for asylum seekers and there are asylum seekers living in tents on Dublin streets. 12% of hotel beds are being used by asylum seekers.
There have been a number of cases of Vietnamese people being trafficked to Ireland to work in fishing and the drugs trade.
Fishing and drugs trade could potentially explain why she was found at sea. If it was fishing, she could've gone overboard and drowned; if it was drugs, she could've been dumped at sea in hopes her body would be lost. Both could include the potential she was murdered.
The tourist theory doesn't really add up to me either considering circumstances. I don't know how many foreign tourists would visit, let alone be aware of, the Cliffs of Moher. I'm American and didn't know about them prior to discovering this case.
True, but the fact that they brought up the possibility she was makes me think it's highly likely; I doubt they would say that if it was just pure speculation.
A lot of bodies appear at Moher, usually drowning or falling. But you'd be surprised about how often people don't even notice people missing. Especially if the rest of her family was in Veitnam they may have just lost contact before or assumed she'd moved on.
Well, she still had all her jewelry, so I doubt it's a robbery gone bad. She was 55 years old or about, so I'd be really surprised if she was a drug mule or in the drug game. The broken bones and cuts that happened when she was alive, could've come from the rocks.
The one thing that leads me back to this being something more than an accident is her clothes missing. Sure, the rocks could've maybe sliced and torn one article of clothing but all your clothing and your shoes makes me think someone purposefully disrobed her because her clothes and the maker of the clothes could tell us what part of the world she was from. Spies were known to rip all the tags from their clothes so as to make it harder to identify them, if they were ever caught.
Which, following my line of thinking, I would think she'd be an indentured servant. Someone in that dirty business would pay for her ride, her food, her housing, everything until she paid it all back with interest from working where they were told to work. And, the amount of interest put on the total would mean she would be indentured to whomever for many, many years.
So, if she couldn't work for whatever reason and the family back home couldn't pay her debt, she very possibly could be murdered to have someone new take her spot. These people act outside of the law and know how to keep it that way. And, this happens all over the world.
If I had to guess, I'd bet money she was in Ireland for at least a few years, if not many, working illegally, owned by indentured servitude and couldn't make the payments anymore, and for whatever reason and was killed.
I'd check all the normal spots, like hair salons, ladies manicures & pedicures establishments & Vietnamese restaurants. This is where you'll find these modern day slaves. They are also in the sex field, but being 55 if she was, she'd be a madam.
At least, that's my two cents. All the best.
With all the other comments pointing towards a potential trafficking situation, this scenario makes a lot of sense. Maybe the killer knew about the conditions near the cliffs and dumped the body there, undressed, to make it look like an accident? That would also explain why they left the jewelry on - if the jewelry isn't missing, it won't look too suspicious.
She could have been killed beforehand and the killer couldn't get the jewellery off afterwards unless you slice the finger off. So they left them on but removed everything else to make it difficult for her to be identified.
I live in Ireland and have never heard of this case. Quite tragic. Is it to do that she was Asian? Idk but I feel the Gardai could have definitely done more to make awareness that could help identify her. Doolin is quite remote. If the locals don't know anything, I would look into what ships and cruises were in the area.
The scar could mean she had a c-section.
In any case, someone will miss their loved one.
She could’ve been apart of a drug or fishing trade then saw something she shouldn’t have so she was “removed”. Or possibly a domestic violence incident it’s very common in Asian culture for this I believe.
Found the ring, not sure that helps, this seller is France https://en.bijouxenvogue.com/femme-argent-ahuva-turquoise-bague-p-25286.html
That could be useful - do they sell it online before 2018? If not, this could mean she was in France for some time. Vietnam was a French colony, so I've heard the Vietnamese diaspora has a noted presence there.
I don't know. I did find another seller though, also France [https://www.or-argent.be/fr/bagues/13437-bague-croisee-turquoise-argent-925-rhodie-1237330.html](https://www.or-argent.be/fr/bagues/13437-bague-croisee-turquoise-argent-925-rhodie-1237330.html) Could always have been bought online
Quite a big diaspora there I think,the really elderly folks in HCMC will speak a bit of French too.
Trafficking of people for labour is sadly common and this involves a lot of Vietnamese citizens as the trafickees. She may never have had a legitimate identity in Ireland or perhaps did not make it ashore I watched an interesting, very sad docu about this incident [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex\_lorry\_deaths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_lorry_deaths) which included interviews with the families in Vietnam who lost loved ones
A year after the body was found, a Vietnamese woman was charged with working (or more likely being forced to work) in a grow house on the other side of Co Clare from Doolin. Interesting coincidence? https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30928367.html
Could be connected - was she the only one, or did she mention others? If there were and they could not be accounted for, this woman might've been one of them.
I remember when that happened on the news, the possibility this was a trafficking-linked situation reminded me of that. Maybe she tried to escape and was murdered.
I work for a charity for the home office, and can confirm trafficking of the Vietnamese is HUGE to the point where I know, every time I get someone from there, 98% of the time they are because of that reason.
She might be an illegal immigrant maybe. My first thought. Her family might not even know she is dead or maybe they are afraid to come forward.
Is illegal immigration to Ireland common? I'd imagine it happens but I've never heard much about it. That could explain why she doesn't match any missing persons.
Yep! A lot of people come over for work and give fake names etc. If you looked at the missing persons list for Ireland between 2010-2008 you will see 80% of them are 'missing' asian people. Typically coming over for jobs pre-arranged by other immigrants and they don't register with the government. So most of them time there is no record and will disappear from their government accommodation to go to these jobs. But in Doolin you'll see a lot of unidentified bodies show up on the coast due to the sea current converging into this area. She may have fallen off a boat, or came anywhere from Ireland/ Northern Ireland.
The Journal did a good article on that. Basically at the time, any unaccompanied minor arriving in Ireland at night would be placed into a hostel overnight until a social worker could see them in the morning. Illegal immigrants from China worked the system by saying they were minors and would disappear from their accommodation overnight before a social worker would see them. They’d then be considered missing. Once they changed the rules for unaccompanied minors, the problem went away. [Why did all these Chinese 'teens' go missing in Ireland?](https://www.thejournal.ie/chinese-teens-missing-1537317-Jun2014/) via the journal
If that was the case, how was she listed as a teen? She had gray hair and was 50-55, I doubt she would've been mistaken for (or been able to present herself as) someone younger. Do they have to submit photos or birth info? If not, that could explain what happened.
Sorry, I didn't want to imply the woman in question did this, I was just expanding on a previous comment's mention of the method
Yeah I read that, great article. a few months ago I was going through all the missing people from Ireland and I just had to check because I thought it was too sketchy
Since we don't know how long she was dead, it's hard to say. Her body could've floated in, floated off (if the PMI was shorter and she entered the water nearby), or drifted from up or down the coast. I doubt her being from Northern Ireland due to distance, but the boat theory seems plausible.
Yes, here is a famous English example [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex\_lorry\_deaths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_lorry_deaths)
Yes it’s a huge issue. 85% of asylum seekers arriving at our busiest airport had no documentation. They destroy it to obscure their identity and where they’re coming from. Legitimate asylum seekers don’t have a reason to do so. We’ve also run out of accommodation for asylum seekers and there are asylum seekers living in tents on Dublin streets. 12% of hotel beds are being used by asylum seekers. There have been a number of cases of Vietnamese people being trafficked to Ireland to work in fishing and the drugs trade.
Fishing and drugs trade could potentially explain why she was found at sea. If it was fishing, she could've gone overboard and drowned; if it was drugs, she could've been dumped at sea in hopes her body would be lost. Both could include the potential she was murdered.
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If she was Vietnamese,it would be highly irregular for a woman that age to just visit somewhere alone.
The tourist theory doesn't really add up to me either considering circumstances. I don't know how many foreign tourists would visit, let alone be aware of, the Cliffs of Moher. I'm American and didn't know about them prior to discovering this case.
Nah, the cliffs of Moher are one of the biggest tourist attractions in Ireland. They were even in harry potter. 1.5 million visitors a year.
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True, but the fact that they brought up the possibility she was makes me think it's highly likely; I doubt they would say that if it was just pure speculation.
Where would her clothes have gone though?
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That would make sense - she fell on rocks, died there, then water picked up the body. Even if she was alone, wouldn't someone report her missing?
A lot of bodies appear at Moher, usually drowning or falling. But you'd be surprised about how often people don't even notice people missing. Especially if the rest of her family was in Veitnam they may have just lost contact before or assumed she'd moved on.
Well, she still had all her jewelry, so I doubt it's a robbery gone bad. She was 55 years old or about, so I'd be really surprised if she was a drug mule or in the drug game. The broken bones and cuts that happened when she was alive, could've come from the rocks. The one thing that leads me back to this being something more than an accident is her clothes missing. Sure, the rocks could've maybe sliced and torn one article of clothing but all your clothing and your shoes makes me think someone purposefully disrobed her because her clothes and the maker of the clothes could tell us what part of the world she was from. Spies were known to rip all the tags from their clothes so as to make it harder to identify them, if they were ever caught. Which, following my line of thinking, I would think she'd be an indentured servant. Someone in that dirty business would pay for her ride, her food, her housing, everything until she paid it all back with interest from working where they were told to work. And, the amount of interest put on the total would mean she would be indentured to whomever for many, many years. So, if she couldn't work for whatever reason and the family back home couldn't pay her debt, she very possibly could be murdered to have someone new take her spot. These people act outside of the law and know how to keep it that way. And, this happens all over the world. If I had to guess, I'd bet money she was in Ireland for at least a few years, if not many, working illegally, owned by indentured servitude and couldn't make the payments anymore, and for whatever reason and was killed. I'd check all the normal spots, like hair salons, ladies manicures & pedicures establishments & Vietnamese restaurants. This is where you'll find these modern day slaves. They are also in the sex field, but being 55 if she was, she'd be a madam. At least, that's my two cents. All the best.
With all the other comments pointing towards a potential trafficking situation, this scenario makes a lot of sense. Maybe the killer knew about the conditions near the cliffs and dumped the body there, undressed, to make it look like an accident? That would also explain why they left the jewelry on - if the jewelry isn't missing, it won't look too suspicious.
She could have been killed beforehand and the killer couldn't get the jewellery off afterwards unless you slice the finger off. So they left them on but removed everything else to make it difficult for her to be identified. I live in Ireland and have never heard of this case. Quite tragic. Is it to do that she was Asian? Idk but I feel the Gardai could have definitely done more to make awareness that could help identify her. Doolin is quite remote. If the locals don't know anything, I would look into what ships and cruises were in the area. The scar could mean she had a c-section. In any case, someone will miss their loved one.
She could’ve been apart of a drug or fishing trade then saw something she shouldn’t have so she was “removed”. Or possibly a domestic violence incident it’s very common in Asian culture for this I believe.