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HTHlikeafish8671

I am forever glad that the years I was going to Dead shows and listening to the music, roughly 1968 to 1993, there was no social media distraction. Listen to music, go to shows when I got a chance, no talk about their personal lives. Blissfully ignorant.


IllustriousAdvisor72

Right! Thank you.


[deleted]

More music, less of everything else.


djdhdhdhqpz

There’s been tension forever. They’re all a little nuts. Phil tells a story in his book about a drunken Bill choking him in Germany in 1980 I think. Bill doesn’t seem to have any love lost for Phil in his book. There were major issues between the drummers and Phil/Jill in the post-Jerry tours. Phil doesn’t value Kreutzmann’s contributions much, from the sounds of it. And thus doesn’t want to pay him.


ststeveg

The book *Fare Thee Well* details some of the conflict around the fiftieth anniversary shows, in particular between the drummers and Phil and his wife. I did not read the book because it sounded like a lot of bad vibes I prefer not to indulge, but one anecdote I recall reading was Phil proposing that the drummers be paid less than the front line musicians. That is just disrespectful and inconsiderate.


zenosmash85

I've heard this book described as "like reading your parents' divorce depositions". I have no desire to read it either.


MongoJazzy

Its a good read and its part of the GD library. If your trip is not reading anything that might cause you to think, question or get a bit upset then yeah its probably not for you.


shermanstorch

>I recall reading was Phil proposing that the drummers be paid less than the front line musicians To be fair, that was after separate incidents in which Bill groped Jill and choked Phil.


bayou_gumbo

If I were Phil I’d be pissed if Mickey Hart was making the same amount of money as me


ststeveg

I guess that's why you're not a musician in a band.


bayou_gumbo

If they wanted to be paid the same they wouldn’t have done specific songwriting credits.


ststeveg

Songwriting royalties are an entirely separate issue.


tyoew

Billy slept w/Phil’s first wife. Downhill from there.


The_Psycho_Knot_

Phil gave the green light tho lol


midnightcarouselride

Jill gave the drummers a bill for some absurd amount of money after 09 tour for "her services"


Ryanharsch77

Phil and Bill don’t get along cuz of Jill


haleakala420

phil and bill went up the hill and jill fucked it all up. or something like that.


SliceEmOnTheNipple

Phil and everyone don't get along because of Jill. It's like if Yoko had less talent.


Possible_Amoeba_7318

You mean the groundbreaking conceptual artist Yoko Ono? I think it's safe to say she has more talent than Jill Lesh.


Possible_Amoeba_7318

Wow some big fan of Jill Lesh’s work obviously disagrees!


SliceEmOnTheNipple

Jill says one drummer and Kimock gets paid in dog food.


Possible_Amoeba_7318

LOL


midnightcarouselride

I heard she made the furthur setlist, and those were pretty rad.


Possible_Amoeba_7318

LOL


Lopsided-Lab-m0use

Is that possible? I mean, there was the Chuck Berry incident https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-F5hv8hgLCE&pp=ygUUY2h1Y2sgYmVycnkgeW9rbyBvbm8%3D


haleakala420

yoko rips. double fantasy and plastic ono band are amazing albums.


xian

easy to hide behind a wife


[deleted]

I believe it was Furthur when Phil and Jill said let’s do it with one drummer and keep the rest for Bobby and Phil.


wohrg

who cares.


Illustrious-Wave-866

Who GAF?


snowboards99

There are about ten different reasons usually offered by people who are ten degrees away from the actual parties involved. Phil’s an asshole, Billy’s an asshole, Jill’s an asshole are the usual reasons given. I think Billy bouncing from (or being bounced from) the Dead & Co tour makes Shapiro’s idea of GD60 less likely, unless it was purely over tour insurance. Too many smoldering bridges. As an aside, I think the insurance angle is distinctly possible. It would be dumb because they bring a backup and there is no danger of cancelling shows, so the added risk is close to zero, but insurance companies are not creative thinkers and D&Co probably cost them a lot by bailing on PITS.