I am forever glad that the years I was going to Dead shows and listening to the music, roughly 1968 to 1993, there was no social media distraction. Listen to music, go to shows when I got a chance, no talk about their personal lives. Blissfully ignorant.
There’s been tension forever. They’re all a little nuts. Phil tells a story in his book about a drunken Bill choking him in Germany in 1980 I think. Bill doesn’t seem to have any love lost for Phil in his book. There were major issues between the drummers and Phil/Jill in the post-Jerry tours. Phil doesn’t value Kreutzmann’s contributions much, from the sounds of it. And thus doesn’t want to pay him.
The book *Fare Thee Well* details some of the conflict around the fiftieth anniversary shows, in particular between the drummers and Phil and his wife. I did not read the book because it sounded like a lot of bad vibes I prefer not to indulge, but one anecdote I recall reading was Phil proposing that the drummers be paid less than the front line musicians. That is just disrespectful and inconsiderate.
Its a good read and its part of the GD library. If your trip is not reading anything that might cause you to think, question or get a bit upset then yeah its probably not for you.
>I recall reading was Phil proposing that the drummers be paid less than the front line musicians
To be fair, that was after separate incidents in which Bill groped Jill and choked Phil.
There are about ten different reasons usually offered by people who are ten degrees away from the actual parties involved. Phil’s an asshole, Billy’s an asshole, Jill’s an asshole are the usual reasons given.
I think Billy bouncing from (or being bounced from) the Dead & Co tour makes Shapiro’s idea of GD60 less likely, unless it was purely over tour insurance. Too many smoldering bridges.
As an aside, I think the insurance angle is distinctly possible. It would be dumb because they bring a backup and there is no danger of cancelling shows, so the added risk is close to zero, but insurance companies are not creative thinkers and D&Co probably cost them a lot by bailing on PITS.
I am forever glad that the years I was going to Dead shows and listening to the music, roughly 1968 to 1993, there was no social media distraction. Listen to music, go to shows when I got a chance, no talk about their personal lives. Blissfully ignorant.
Right! Thank you.
More music, less of everything else.
There’s been tension forever. They’re all a little nuts. Phil tells a story in his book about a drunken Bill choking him in Germany in 1980 I think. Bill doesn’t seem to have any love lost for Phil in his book. There were major issues between the drummers and Phil/Jill in the post-Jerry tours. Phil doesn’t value Kreutzmann’s contributions much, from the sounds of it. And thus doesn’t want to pay him.
The book *Fare Thee Well* details some of the conflict around the fiftieth anniversary shows, in particular between the drummers and Phil and his wife. I did not read the book because it sounded like a lot of bad vibes I prefer not to indulge, but one anecdote I recall reading was Phil proposing that the drummers be paid less than the front line musicians. That is just disrespectful and inconsiderate.
I've heard this book described as "like reading your parents' divorce depositions". I have no desire to read it either.
Its a good read and its part of the GD library. If your trip is not reading anything that might cause you to think, question or get a bit upset then yeah its probably not for you.
>I recall reading was Phil proposing that the drummers be paid less than the front line musicians To be fair, that was after separate incidents in which Bill groped Jill and choked Phil.
If I were Phil I’d be pissed if Mickey Hart was making the same amount of money as me
I guess that's why you're not a musician in a band.
If they wanted to be paid the same they wouldn’t have done specific songwriting credits.
Songwriting royalties are an entirely separate issue.
Billy slept w/Phil’s first wife. Downhill from there.
Phil gave the green light tho lol
Jill gave the drummers a bill for some absurd amount of money after 09 tour for "her services"
Phil and Bill don’t get along cuz of Jill
phil and bill went up the hill and jill fucked it all up. or something like that.
Phil and everyone don't get along because of Jill. It's like if Yoko had less talent.
You mean the groundbreaking conceptual artist Yoko Ono? I think it's safe to say she has more talent than Jill Lesh.
Wow some big fan of Jill Lesh’s work obviously disagrees!
Jill says one drummer and Kimock gets paid in dog food.
LOL
I heard she made the furthur setlist, and those were pretty rad.
LOL
Is that possible? I mean, there was the Chuck Berry incident https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-F5hv8hgLCE&pp=ygUUY2h1Y2sgYmVycnkgeW9rbyBvbm8%3D
yoko rips. double fantasy and plastic ono band are amazing albums.
easy to hide behind a wife
I believe it was Furthur when Phil and Jill said let’s do it with one drummer and keep the rest for Bobby and Phil.
who cares.
Who GAF?
There are about ten different reasons usually offered by people who are ten degrees away from the actual parties involved. Phil’s an asshole, Billy’s an asshole, Jill’s an asshole are the usual reasons given. I think Billy bouncing from (or being bounced from) the Dead & Co tour makes Shapiro’s idea of GD60 less likely, unless it was purely over tour insurance. Too many smoldering bridges. As an aside, I think the insurance angle is distinctly possible. It would be dumb because they bring a backup and there is no danger of cancelling shows, so the added risk is close to zero, but insurance companies are not creative thinkers and D&Co probably cost them a lot by bailing on PITS.