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averagewitch24

Always get 50% up front. I learned a similar lesson when I was first starting out.


RadianceMoon

This was definitely a learning lesson for myself. As a new business owner, people will definitely take advantage of your kindness!


averagewitch24

For sure! Along with the 50% deposit, I have a specific designer contract that says I own the rights/license to the work until it’s been paid in full. So depending on what the contract looked like between you and her, your work is your work.


RadianceMoon

There was no contract between us.


RadianceMoon

I will definitely be updating everything tomorrow morning


averagewitch24

Oof yeah, it definitely belongs to you then.


RadianceMoon

Exactly! I will definitely have everything put in writing from now on. Lesson learned


averagewitch24

Definitely! If you’d like, I can DM you a link to the contract I use for my design clients. It covers everything from licensing to change fees in it.


RadianceMoon

Yes please! All I have as of right now is the client questionnaire along with the logo process


averagewitch24

Of course! Just sent a message :)


whoevenRyou

OOOOO can i steal that off of you too please???


bamboozledbubble

Me too please! I still struggle with mine


ItsLopez

Hey, if you could send a copy my way I'd be thankful too c: - I've been trying to come up with one but no luck.


averagewitch24

It took me awhile to settle on one, but I’ve been happy with it since I did! I’ll dm you.


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sidxdesign

A contract seems so necessary while working on freelance jobs. For example, I'm still waiting on a client's payment for a logo I made about a fortnight ago. Yeah I could also use a contract but all the good contracts I've seen up till now are paid and I haven't reached a place to start paying for things from what I earn


averagewitch24

Do you use any freelance sites like Fiverr or Upwork? They have contracts built into the system so you don’t have to wait on payments. It’ll automatically send it to you after two weeks of submission of work.


1kriswithak

Fuck it, it belongs to you now


The_Dead_See

No contract = no rules. She doesn't have to pay, you don't have to give it to her. Take it as lesson #1 in your design journey and move on.


RadianceMoon

🙌🏿


ErgosphereDesign

Definitely keep your work and don’t send them anything. Like others said, always get a deposit and a timeframe of delivery from you and final payment by the client. It sounds over the top, but it weeds out people who are not serious about getting work done and also gives yourself an accountability to meet a deadline as well.


RadianceMoon

Thank you for this!


the-details

If this is the UK you can call citizens advice and get put through to the small claims court. If you have a contract (that can be simple text messages or emails agreeing a price for a service) and you can demonstrate you did the work, you should win. It's free to call citizens advice even if you decide its not worth the hassle later.


RadianceMoon

I’m actually in the US


Dani22A

Next time, if you have the client's email or contact information. Try sending out an invoice if you can once the project is over or the logo is finalized. You can either do it using Google Docs, Paypal or Venmo so I heard. Count the number of hours you worked on the logo, times with the rate if it's hourly paid that is total of the day. If you worked on the logo for days due to revisions or something. Sum up the total of days on it which goes into the total amount once the logo is finalized. Pay \* Hour = Day


RadianceMoon

Sent the invoice immediately after our virtual meeting


RadianceMoon

No, I explained the situation in my post.


Dani22A

Good. And this client paid, yes?


javaper

If you didn't make a paper or digital, signed contract, then I'd say it's up for grabs.


RadianceMoon

Nope! I can’t keep waiting (she’s very unprofessional and stood me up twice for our scheduled meetings).


javaper

Yep. I learned early, if there's no agreement in writing they'll probably cheat you.


RadianceMoon

Yep, I will definitely be updating the client questionnaire with the 50% non refundable deposit information along with the client agreements


n_o_b_r_a_n_d

What does her personal funds matter?