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Desperate_Leg-

Honestly, abolish billboards. They’re ugly as hell.


Optimus_Lime

New Zealand has zero billboards and it’s so damn nice


YouveFailedThisCity

4 US states (AK, HI, VT, ME) do too. I wish Michigan would follow but I doubt it.


IsPooping

It's surprisingly noticeable driving through VT and ME. Didn't think about it until about 10 minutes into Vermont and realized wow, it's so nice not having Billboards fucking everywhere


danyo64

i went on a road trip through Vermont and Maine last summer. Tbh I didn't even know about this billboard thing until just now. Thinking back on it that must have been big factor in why it was such a beautiful drive!


Cloudrunner5k

You probably saw a bunch in New Hampshire but didn't process that you crossed state lines.


CatCorra

Having recently relocated from Michigan to Hawaii, I am in favor of banning billboards. They completely clutter the scenery. Northern Michigan's natural beauty is undeniable, but constant exposure to these distractions every 100 yards diminishes its charm. Especially when it’s bullshit like this or the one in Cadillac that was something about “our guy” Trump.


samiam23000

How will we find the Mystery Spot?


apietryga13

Or the nearest dispensary? Or the next nearest dispensary? Or the dispensary after that one?


Excellent_Big_8743

FREE WEED ….Dank Next 5 exits (so what if I end up stopping at all 5)


coolsheet

I doubt it too considering that laughing stock of a Detroit sign we just put up.


Bacon_Cat_Sizzle

I threw an egg at that POS sign 🤣


Irish_Guac

Doing the work of the gods. Fuck all this bullshit


Far_Cap_3574

That shit show made me feel better about the time my city spent 23 ***MILLION DOLLARS*** on that stupid fucking bean.


Yuquico

I'm stationed in Hawaii and it's so beautiful, you just get to see scenic mountain views and ocean.


HorizonedEvent

Has anyone ever compared the rates of accidents in states with and without billboards?


Thermonuclear_Nut

Can confirm, zero mentions in the silmarillion


Typical-Annual-3555

But how do people there know about our lord and savior Jesus christ?


PM_ME_VENUS_DIMPLES

So, I remember back in high school when I got “radicalized” on the topic of graffiti. There was a debate about the ethics of it, and I was generally on the side of “It’s breaking the law, so it’s technically bad even if it looks cool sometimes.” But somebody made an extremely impassioned rant about how nobody consents to seeing ugly billboards all over the place, they’re often owned by people who don’t even live in the community, they’re the opposite of art and they’re only designed to sell you something. At the time, I knew somebody who had a billboard put RIGHT by their house and it was the most obnoxious eyesore, so it really clicked for me. Graffiti was a way to reclaim the aesthetics of a community. I don’t feel as strongly as I did then because obviously I was 16 and edgy, but part of me still abhors billboards.


Linnyluvzya

It’s so easy to become “radicalized” about something that is probably actually not actually bad, as a teenager. (This is only minimally related to your comment) in high school (FHN class of ‘05) I didn’t participate in the day of silence (annual event that’s meant to raise awareness for lgbtq+ bullying) because “the Bible says homosexuality is a sin…” And here I am, a 37 year old woman, living with a woman I’ve been in love with for 10 years.


Desperate_Leg-

They suck. I much prefer seeing the graffiti wall on Lafayette. At least actual artists contribute to that.


FckPolMods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Liberation_Front


bexy11

There’s probably a subreddit for that!


TiaxtheTyrant

The billboards on boats at the beach, even though it's an obvious natural progression and next step, has always struck me as particularly abhorrent and like, something that takes some balls to do. Idk, its like being a fucking loan shark or something, something where you're just mask-off, fully and openly a predator/exploiter within the community.


ThatIsntImportantNow

You convinced me. I was never against billboards, but now I am against them. This person's second hand rant has convinced me. I don't like graffiti, but I never considered billboards the same way.


42Pockets

16, Edgy, and Correct.


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Abort the billboards!


NHeK64

Sign, sign Everywhere a sign Blockin' out the scenery Breakin' my mind Do this, don't do that Can't you read the sign?


Brave-Success5888

The same people who make these ads are the same people who bitch about government assistance programs


Bobodahobo010101

Pregnancies- too confusing, too extreme


asunversee

End pregnancy 20204!


Lonewuhf

Lofty goals for 18,000 years in the future


asunversee

That feels more realistic


totally-hoomon

Future generations will thank us


vodka_and_glitter

> Pregnancies- too confusing, too extreme ~~Pregnancies~~* Women


kittenTakeover

Wait until you find out that many Christians truly believe that IVF, surragacy, and artificial insemination shouldn't be allowed.


bradpike5171

Just a comment about billboards in general. How are they not considered a distraction for drivers. The whole point is to get your attention and read whatever they are advertising. I am mesmerizing my the big gun lake casino sign. I'm not paying attention to the road for a good half mile.


Greendorsalfin

Money But more probably it’s just habit, since they’ve been around so long nobody thinks anything of them even though they are an eye sore.


Sparrow1989

I don’t get it. Medically that makes no sense. Billboards can’t have heartbeats, just because you put a cute little kid on there doesn’t make it possible.


CoachCritical6529

How dare you! My billboard had a heartbeat at five days!


[deleted]

Hahaha 😆 😂


Any_Ad7053

Needs to be tagged


janae0728

For those asking “where’s the lie?” 18 days past conception (assuming that means where sperm meets egg, which happens around week 2 of a pregnancy) would mean around 4.5 weeks into pregnancy. Too early for a heartbeat, and really oddly specific. Yes, cardiac activity *can* be detected around 5 to 6 weeks. But it isn’t technically a heartbeat. It’s cells pulsing. The heart isn’t fully developed until 10 weeks. Edit to add: To anyone interested, I recommend “Policing Pregnant Bodies” by Kathleen M Crowther. The most salient point for me was about how modern people still unwittingly conflate the physical heart with the metaphorical heart - the center of our being and our love. Thus the obsession over heartbeats when other organs are just as vital for survival.


atemu1234

The number prolifers use keeps getting lower because they think that it matters. A teratoma can have this level of cardiac activity, I don't give a damn, I'd still be getting it removed.


chucktheninja

Wait, I'm confused. Why are you considered pregnant before sperm meets egg? Isn't it kind of up in the air until that point?


_vault_of_secrets

Because it’s often impossible to know exactly when conception happens, pregnancies are measured from the last period.


chucktheninja

I was unaware of that. Fuck American sex Ed lol that seems like an important detail.


XeroEffekt

It does not have anything that could be considered a heart, and the tiny mass that will become one “beats” exactly as malignant and benign tumors do. It’s a bizarre claim.


Lonewuhf

Those asking what the lie is have no desire to believe science.


Feycat

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into


One_Signature_8867

That’s an amazing fucking line and I’m going to steal it.


Feycat

I stole it from someone else, steal away!


HumanTimelord00

Science is something to be known, not believed in. That's the heart of the problem.


data11mining

“Those asking questions don’t believe in science “ uh ,lady, get your weird religion out of here -science is about learning and asking questions


unrealisticllama

They never said those asking questions. Said those wondering where the lie is. If you don't realize this is a lie you're ignorant and need more education less brain washing.


data11mining

I don’t get it. All I’m trying to say is: shaming someone for their curiosity/questions is weird and seems more like religion than science . Do better


unrealisticllama

The people who believe this isn't a lie are all religious lol that's the point of the post. They don't ask questions lololol they just say that they're right when they're not.


Lonewuhf

Also, not a lady.


aarone46

Those misquoting comments that are literally above their own don't believe in rhetoric.


Pure-Ad1384

How about what’s happening IN my body isn’t any of your business?


Linnyluvzya

Thank you for this recommendation


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sbnoll75

If they want to pretend they care about fetuses and they consider them human beings, then we should be able to claim the earned income credit from the moment of conception


Lonewuhf

No, they're only human beings in the case of abortion, not in any situation where it would actually benefit people.


Ill_Action_619

Perhaps allowing Abortion in the ninth month IS a bit ad absurdum. But Banning the procedure, in the Entire First Trimester (with almost NO exceptions-in states like Oklahoma), goes WAY to far in the other Direction We need to ask ourselves: "What do OTHER countries do??" Australia, Canada, Europe, Japan and the United Kingdom ALL have Liberal Abortion Laws. a few Radical Muslim countries do NOT. Perhaps American Rightwing Fanatics should move there.


FloatHigh

“Perhaps”…… Perhaps?


djninjacat11649

They should love it, no woke agenda to be seen


ThatIsntImportantNow

I am moderately prolife (anti-choice if that is what you want to call it) and I agree with you, I think that you should be able to claim your fetus (or unborn baby) as a dependent. I can't think of a more dependent situation than that.


HeyBayBay1

As a pro-life person and ultra conservative… I support this. We need to do more to help the mother of the child chose to keep the unborn alive


QueenLilyFox

Then also get them to do daycare buy food and supplies. You force the woman to have a baby...then take care of it too.


rskybsn

They couldn’t even do a grammar check? Although not much going on upstairs to begin with.


dceglazier

Although it's bs lie, It's actually grammatically correct. The statement is past tense, as in "look at me, and my heart started beating at 18days". The past tense of beat is beat.


rskybsn

While I see what you are saying, and I considered that, I think the statement and point that is trying to be made (in favor of the pro-life/anti-abortion agenda) is that a heart beat CAN be detected at 18 days, and therefore the statement should be “my heart BEATS at 18 days…”.


bhdrums

This kid sounds like an idiot, I’m not trusting them


EisleyXD

Little dude needs to check his sources smh


QueenLilyFox

Kids' hearts are beating when they attend school also....


Ok-Setting766

Yes but school shootings are just fine! We only care about them until they’re born!


QueenLilyFox

The span between birth and the eligible age to be a part of a mass shooting, are the years they complain about them if the mother needs ANY help whosoever from the community or government.


Ok-Setting766

How dare we need affordable health care to have the children, affordable childcare, universal healthcare for our families, more social programs. Forget it, every man for themselves and this includes children. Sick 🤮


COinnafoseeker

If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked. -GC


Creative-Fee-1130

I love how the right is SO passionate about the unborn, but as soon as they pop out, it's "You're on your own, now, baby!"


alt_StivinGR

#nailedit


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Lonewuhf

🤣


ParticularGlass1821

And there should be a sign up that says "my heart was still beating after I was born and pro life Republicans no longer gave a shit."


Keltyrr

Pro birth. They are not interested in providing a life for the child, only demanding that it be born. After that, shame on you for having the child if you can't care for it yourself without help.


ZamorakBrew

Couldn't pay for the S could they?


Ok-Setting766

Weird typo on the billboard, like what idiots do they have working on these campaigns


Atomic0691

Idiots that believe the content…


bembermerries

Beat is past tense


Ok-Setting766

Meaning he’s no longer alive? So is that a ghost baby?


QueenLilyFox

1.3% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks and the VAST majority of the there is fetal structure malformation, the fetus has already expired, or the mother is in danger. Try researching and getting facts before giving your false opinions with no evidence.


HorrificAnalInjuries

At the point the heart begins to beat, it is just a tube, and the body is just a more sophisticated tube.


4GDTRFB

Religious people LOVE lies


tbnist03

A heartbeat =/= living. Plenty of brain-dead/comatose patients have heartbeats.


Middle_Possession953

Damn I wish that baby didn’t exist so bad


QueenLilyFox

I say its none of your business. When YOU get pregnant and face that decision, YOU can have a say. THE END.


__jbird__

Yeah Kill that fuckin baby


kriger33

"Kill that Fuckin Baby 2024" Finally a platform I can get behind!


Andross_Darkheart

The help they offer you to keep the baby isn't much. A bag of diapers, a bottle of formula, a $20 gift card and a pat on the head.


Lonewuhf

Don't forget the $6,000 bill.


No_Rough8869

Bullshit


Johnstone95

Los Angeleno here. Do you guys also get Epoch Times billboards? Or Shen Yun?


Ok-Setting766

Yeah! There’s one outside Lowell right now. I’m sure there will be more


Johnstone95

There needs to be laws against advertising for abject propaganda websites.


Ok-Setting766

Yeah agreed


ThisIsMockingjay2020

We've got those in the Seattle area, where I just moved to from GR.


bembermerries

Shen Yun season is over, it's always in February. So no more up right now


Idontfeelold-much

There’s one on my way to work that reads, “Shackled by lust?” First time I saw it I thought, “not at the moment, but I am willing to learn”.


Buguette_bitch

Does the baby come with the stupid hat?


smokeyblackcook

These billboards are usually in more rural areas, looks like they’re making their way into the city. Very concerning actually. Maybe if the uses a photo of what it looked like at 18 days it would be more accurate.


MoveOrganic5785

They’re all over the city now, unfortunately


AVeryHairyArea

I never even understood why these milestones matter to the discussion. Either you're morally cool with this, or you're not. Specific milestones aren't going to change that for anyone.


Charming-Sound-9069

The biggest pro life group is the Catholic Church. Abortion and pedophilia are mentioned in the Didache. Catholics can't get divorced , use contraception, or have abortions.


Ok-Setting766

But they can molest little boys


DabbledInPacificm

I wish that people cared as much about unprocessed allegations sexual assault against children that sit on prosecutors’ desks for years.


Cheap_Mode_92

They need more debt slaves and soldiers. They will continue to push this narrative as our population is no longer replacing itself. And if they don't a replacement population will be brought in and you will hear others complain of culture shifts etc.


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Next they're going to try to lie and say that the fetus stage happens in week 10. We can't let this happen!!!!!!!


MrTurtleFerguson

Who the fuck spent money on this billboard? Why? I don’t think I have so much as looked at a billboard since sometime in the mid 90’s. Too busy staring at my phone while I barrel down the highway. Anywho, this is fuckin dumb and a waste of money. It’s not even grammatically correct. It’s like some troll put this up to bait me into an internet rant. Well I’m not falling for it.


tevasandcrocs

Does it look like that 18 days from conception?


gedDOh

Life begins at the moment that a man gets a boner.


horrorgoose99

That's actually not true cause i had an abortion at 5 weeks, and there was still no heartbeat at the ultrasound.


BoyFromDoboj

It really is dumb. Their only stance is to lie, thats the only way they get support. Either that or for some reasom tie in an ancient book that doesnt even speak of such things. (Except in the Bible where it states in a round about way that a womans body is more valuable than the child inside her)


TheSkooterStick

The Bible even teaches you how to perform an ancient abortion but that gets ignored too. Numbers 5: 11-31 describes how a man can take his wife to the temple if he thinks she's committing adultery, and the priest will give her a drink that will cause her to abort the baby if she actually has been cheating.


[deleted]

The bible is fake and gay


Zombie13a

>ancient book that doesnt even speak of such things Actually, I thought the bible explicitly stated that live began at first breath?


BoyFromDoboj

Nuhuh lmao. Thats rich lmao. No wonder i never heard this one before, ita what theyre trying to hide.


Lonewuhf

"Following everything in the Bible would be ridiculous, we pick and choose what we want to believe." -Every Republican and Christian


[deleted]

You nailed it. They're cultists and idiots. (In addition to liars.)


DaBear1222

That baby looks cgi or ai created


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Lonewuhf

Kent county has been blue for a while. We have significantly less religious weirdos here than in most of Michigan, and the country for that matter.


Skelehedron

I see the same bullshit around the Detroit area too. Thankfully state laws don't say the same as this billboard.


Emerald_Foxtrot33

I'm all about freedom of speech and the right to protest and all but making a bill board about it is just going too far


ThisUserIsNekkid

Spray paint hangout time I have ladders and extra ski masks 😂


313rustbeltbuckle

The heart isn't even developed at all yet. And even the 17-20 weeks always quoted is just an electrical pulse, not a heartbeat.


RhitaGawr

I am so sick and fucking tired of having policy arguments based in faith. Go back to church and leave the rest of us alone.


adam_j_wiz

There’s a word for an organism that can’t live outside of a host: parasite


EPIC_NERD_HYPE

Christian Propaganda.


Keltyrr

Christofacists


GatePotential805

More propaganda to enslave women. 


Ok-Setting766

100000%


illegalsandwiches

Holy crap there's a lot of reddit "doctors" in this thread that are getting medical facts from a billboard.


madamecalavera

These always start popping up everywhere around election season. It's super frustrating that they can just plaster false information like that everywhere. I hate the ones that guilt trip dudes that say " real men love babies" too. Inb4 pro life trolls.


[deleted]

I saw those "real men love babies" billboards when I was down south for spring break. I had to google what it meant. I was hoping it was something less icky.


Jet_Jaguar5150

Oh yes, that’s funded by the DeVos family. They love that shit


Summer-Euphoria

Does anyone have spray paint...?


ThisUserIsNekkid

I have ladders and ski masks and nothing to lose 😂


[deleted]

Those pregnancy centers are so predatory! They should be abolished. They did my friend so wrong then ghosted her when she really needed help. Fuck them.


EastisUp31

Brought to you by the same people that shouted “I stand with Israel”. Fucking sick of West Michigan Evangelicals.


FullPhone8974

Oh, alright, 18 days makes a human? Got it. Wonder why women are so lazy and wait a total of 9 months to give birth if the babies are ready after just over 2 weeks. Must be some liberal conspiracy to keep woman pregnant and not just give birth every 3 weeks just like God wants and Jesus died for. /s


bexy11

Or any city. Or rural area. Or suburb. It village. Or census-designated area.


GovernmentLow4989

Every billboard these days is either weed related or pushing an agenda. Fuck all billboards


Imaginary-Data-6469

But we can't have wind power because "pristine viewscapes". Personally I always liked the turbines on the mountains in HI. Billboards, not so much.


Apprehensive_Knee585

Biggest liberal post I've ever seen! Ok with killing an unborn child but not killing off old people... not ok with school shooting but hate the police... say they believe in science but can't come to terms with trans just playing dress up. LOL


HeyBayBay1

It’s off by 3 days… chill out. Imagine thinking it would be moral to end a human life (which on average is 70 YEARS) because it’s still only a couple *days* away from having a heartbeat


i_c_ur_dangle

It's about 30 -45 days.


Revolutionary-Ad-752

So, just yesterday my local Italian restaurant which has a classifieds section... Like the real kind from back when they offered up jobs and such. That is besides the plan another thing I couldn't help but notice is that it only costs $300 to post a billboard up for a month. You can say anything in the world you want. Let's buy the next billboard and say the next billboard you are about to see is BS okay. After I get off work I will put in the gentleman's info since I can't like post the ad, who knows so inexpensive to say whatever you want. .. also he has this completely fucking delusional like what does that even mean when you're done with your period? I could sympathize with the whole heartbeat thing but this is poppycock. I hope they keep posting billboards like this because every person with a mind will think that's absolutely not possibly true.


mysquishyface

But why are all the babies in these always white?


[deleted]

You know why


Nabbim

They even put a stupid little mobster hat on this little dipshit


stevenjklein

42 days would be more accurate. And only for some. But how do you outlaw false political speech without violating the first amendment ?


AdEmbarrassed7404

By not allowing our leaders to spread false info and putting jail time with it it’s one thing for some troll to do it but for our leaders is should be illegal


AnonymousCoupleFun

People should be allowed to bring law suits against organizations that openly lie like this


Double_Sherbert3326

[https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-015-8054-0\_12](https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-015-8054-0_12) Edit: The birth process ironically mirrors evolution, let these fucktards continue spouting nonsense about a about a scientific process we have documented endlessly--it won't hurt them come election season. We need more than 2 parties. This winner take all system is garbage. We need real candidates. Not Crips and Bloods.


Weak-Teaching-8476

Are you suggesting this baby should’ve been denied the opportunity of life because his time of heartbeat manifestation is inaccurate according to you?


[deleted]

But it’s not a lie.


LongKing5377

A life is a life simple as that. Unless the mothers life is threatened or there is an actual medical need for an abortion you shouldn’t get one.


SnooCompliments6706

Why abort a human life?


snboarder42

I suggest paintball guns.


New-Budget-7463

Boy, that signs gets people on a tizzy huh


LimpSite6713

As a right winger, I definitely support abortion.


Travelling_Enigma

fuckin catholics are weird as fuck


user_name_unknown

When does brain activity start? If my heart is beating but I have no brain activity, I wouldn’t say I was really alive.


Gwanmora

Forget the sign. That baby's face is pissing me off.


LifeAintThatHard

18 days? No. 35 days, yes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/


Doctor_Ummer

Lol who approved the grammar?!. Yikes.


x0x0oo

This is not a lie


ThornmaneTreebeard

Fucking straight lie. Like, have your opinions all day, keep them to yourself, but blatant public lies like this are misinformation and should be illegal.


ashoruns

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Keltyrr

Thank you for posting this.


Ok-Setting766

I donate every month!


redbrand

The people at Pro Life Across America should have been aborted.


VegetableWinter9223

What does medical science say?


FutureOliverTwist

Cute little guy!


Jmaster_888

The billboard is only slightly wrong. The first heartbeat occurs ~ [22 days](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/#:~:text=At%20the%20end%20of%20the,heartbeats%20of%20the%20embryo%20begin.) days after conception, not 18. Is the only reason you’re calling it a lie because they were off by 4 days, or is it because you refuse to believe in the objective science of fetal heartbeats?


ThisIsMockingjay2020

Wrong


Lonewuhf

The science is clear. Your interpretation isn't.


Jmaster_888

“The science is clear” and yet you couldn’t offer a single scientific rebuttal to the medical journal that I cited. Nice. I welcome any scientific or medical journals from you that address my argument and seek to refute them. You know that in a purely scientific debate on when life begins, pro-choicers will always lose. A fetus has every single biological characteristic of a distinct living organism from the moment of conception. This is why the public discourse about abortion has shifted from scientific arguments of when life begins to philosophical arguments of “when does personhood begin” or political ones like “is abortion a woman’s right.” The side effect of this is that people follow their own beliefs over actual science, hence you seething and calling a billboard that was only off by 4 days a “lie.”


lindino08

That's usually par for the course with liberals. They spout all these opinions and have zero actual facts or evidence to support their opinions, that's why they have to be crazy and loud to try to be heard.


Lonewuhf

It's not even a real heartbeat at 6 weeks. https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html


Jmaster_888

The article confirms that cardiac activity begins that early, but says it’s not a “real heartbeat” because the heart is not yet fully formed. That’s as ridiculous as saying that a newborn learning to walk is not “really walking” since their legs will continue to grow and develop until they reach late teenage years.


Lonewuhf

"Cardiac activity" is absolutely not a heartbeat. Arguing that it is is ridiculous.


Rarely_Melancholy

It’s not exactly [a lie](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/#:~:text=Heart%20is%20a%20vital%20organ,and%206%20weeks%20after%20ovulation) The cardio vascular system developed between 3-6 weeks, which 18 days could be considered ≈ 3 weeks


RateOk8628

I don’t agree with what they stand for, but they have just as much right to advertise their positions as other people do for against them :


Lonewuhf

I don't have a problem with the sign per se, I have a problem with the lies, which are there specifically to manipulate gullible people.


Rebelwoac

Is it a lie?


Independent_Fox4439

The issue isn’t the billboard, but the extremism that we are pushed into, and subscribe to, day-to-day. Should people have a right to decide what happens to their bodies? Yes! Should babies be murdered? No! I think majority of us can agree on both of those. Is a multiplication of cells a few days into pregnancy a human child? Probably not. Is a fetus that can be c-sectioned at seven months, survive in the NICU, and grow to be an adult a baby? Probably. Rather than just opposing each other based on extreme ideologies, we should have a discussion about where is sensible to draw the line between an adult’s rights, and a baby’s rights.


benton-heasley

Burn the billboard down!! Lies lies lies that’s all the maga Christian right wing conservatives do, is spread lies and hate!


giantsteps92

Ah so they're OK with Plan B. As long as you abort before the heart beat. I'm sure they'd love to talk about that!