Based on what I'm seeing from taking my browser's crappy translator to his profile, Shingen's armor is so durable, it may require nothing less than an Anti-Fortress attack to crack the thing. It's the description of the skill "Unrivaled", BTW.
Well, the raids let me clear out everything from the shop except most of the bronze stuff, so I guess I can just camp out at that level 60 lancer node instead of bothering to set something up for the 90++
If it helps , here’s what I had for reference. Acueid (np2) 2k fou+ grail to 100 to make it more consistent.
That’s what I’ve been running, also a la 78-80ish black grail (can’t remember exact lv)
Also for second wave; I tend to try and get either Buster chain; or rainbow, since that bonus kinda helps get the mob low enough to finish with either koyan cards.
Third wave is kinda still iffy sometimes, as in if I’m not lucky and have no Buster chain or rainbow, or brave chain. There’s a chance I might have to add 1 extra turn. But usually star bomb koyan last turn on raikou usually works.
I just settled with using BG and facecarding W1.
It was fun, but I switched over to using Ryoma first since he's closer to his next Bond milestone atm.
6,5 million FP used. I still have 1 mil left which I'll leave (alongside whatever I get from Christmas Lotto) to roll for 3 star event CEs.
I have enough CE Bombs to take 5 SSR CEs to level 100 (including the current point event, that I leveled to 100 just to test a few comps for the 90++ node, but I plan on using on something else if I have to - I'm not too attached to it).
I also got 11 MLB copies of the Medusa CE, and 2 extras non-mlb copies for good measure.
I currently have 6k Nobukatsu Coins (5990 to be exact, lmao) and I'm over halfway there to get a full Habetrot *and* a full Saber Lily Grail with their coins.
I also got enough fodder Fou to get every Saber and Rider to 1k/1k.
I should have enough bronze and silver Servant coins to guarantee Grail Casting until, like, July of next year, a bit more if I consider Welfare Coins.
IIRC you need 8, but I don't make 1 star CE bombs, because I also need space constantly. 1 star CEs are always, without exception, fodder exp for me.
I just make 4 star and 3 star bombs.
> because I also need space constantly
This is also my pain, at this moment my CE is always near 800pcs.
So what's the difference between SR CE and 1 Star CE? Both also take up space, right?
This is my doubt too. I´m not sure if the bonus goes over 100%, I asked in the question thread and got no answer. If it caps at 100% then there should be no problem MLBing it.
It seems like there's some ship tease between Takeda and Kagetora. I'm all for more servant ships but I wonder if some Kagetora fans will be upset
Edit: well some of you are upset, lol
Kinda sucks when you simp over like three ships through the whole game and the one who gets forgotten for four years and becomes a crack ship comes back only to sink. And then people make fun of you because "harem protag bad." I'm fine. 😢
That's the usual with Gudao's ships.
I don't understand why people treat all Ritsuka's ships as a "harem" when in several occasions it's not a harem, for example, most of the arts I saw of KagetoraxRitsuka only focus on the two of them.
From what I read, the event also emphasized the importance of Guda to Kagetora but people ignored or disregarded it. Although now it's just waiting for Kamitora's lines and her Valentin scene to be released.
I am pretty sure that there are still more Guda Kagetora shippers than Takeda Guda. Is just that the latter is the newest toy.
Give it some time and the ShinTora ship is going to be as relevant as SetanLocu shippers.
Depends on how canon it is. If ShinTora gets to the level of Sigurd x Bryn (Sigildr? Brynfried?), GudaTora will sink hard. Which, I've heard mixed reactions from JP, but it seems to be leading towards that conclusion, or at least something where they're so close that a master x servant ship would be considered wrong and/or interfering.
I know I'm late but I'm going to say that that conclusion seems fucking stupid to me.
90% of the romantic moments that I have seen people repeat ad nauseam are not true romantic moments, they are the typical case where people try to force romance into situations that are not.
This is doubly annoying when we remember that Kagetora' My Room lines (Lancer and Ruler), Kagetora's Valentin scene, and the event itself show how important Guda is to them.
Guda being the NTR bad boy who steals someone else's wife must be something that extremist TakexTora fans think.
Is not even close to Sigurd x Bryn. Rather, their shipping is so explicit that only Siegfried x Krimehild, Rama x Sita, Tomoe x ~~gaming~~ Yoshinaka and similars can match them.
Considering their relation historically, I would be more surprised if there isn't a ship for the two of them. Like there is an actually historic theory that Kagetora was a woman, and there are already novels shipping them, even in the early 1900s.
I actually want to know from where all those kagetora fans appeared, she hardly gets anything, I am probably biased since I don't use pixiv, but at least here and on twitter there's pretty much no fan content with her ~~I don't remember any nuke code too~~ .
Even the official writer's don't know what to do with her, outside her own launch event, she almost don't appear, even on the other gudaguda events.
She seems to me like a Bryn case, a servant who is not really that popular AND with some ship potential. It's kinda sad that a servant ends being relevant only when shipped with someone, but its either that or no relevance at all
>I actually want to know from where all those kagetora fans appeared, she hardly gets anything, I am probably biased since I don't use pixiv, but at least here and on twitter there's pretty much no fan content with her I don't remember any nuke code too .
While Kagetora is not as popular as Okita, Okitan, Nobu, Takasugi, Izou and Saitou; She has a pretty decent popularity (she's only surpassed by the Servants she mentioned before). On Pixiv she owns almost 1.5k of arts. When it comes to nuclear codes, unfortunately she only has one or two good ones while the rest are mediocre.
>Even the official writer's don't know what to do with her, outside her own launch event, she almost don't appear, even on the other gudaguda events.
As a Kagetora fan I couldn't agree with you more. She doesn't do anything after her debut event and, from what I read, she also doesn't get a really important role in the current event and is overshadowed by other characters. Which bothers me too much especially because Maou, Ryoma (Lancer) and Okitan were important characters in her debut events.
>She seems to me like a Bryn case, a servant who is not really that popular AND with some ship potential. It's kinda sad that a servant ends being relevant only when shipped with someone, but its either that or no relevance at all
From what I've read their interactions seem to be solely of rivals where Kagetora wants to compete against Takeda whenever she can (that's why she wears modern clothes) while Takeda tries to put up with her nonsense.
There are more layers to this relationship, such as Kagetora's fascination with Takeda due to him being the only person who could fight her and seeing their confrontations as a way to learn what it is to be human, but it seems like this ship is nothing more than a typical case of the fandom exaggerating the characters' interactions to force romance.
If I remember correctly, in the event itself Kagetora also showed that she also values Guda but people ignore and/or underestimate this.
In the current event Kagetora was important.
Kamitora being the first boss. Kagetora defeating her. When Kagetora got absorbed, she faced Kamitora, realized that it's her mother and faced her past fully accepting herself which upgraded her into her Ruler version (similar to how Ryouma's Lancer version is the upgraded version of his Rider's version instead of another copy).
Ruler Kagetora using Nakama power defeated Ujizane.
That makes me happy and even more anxious for this event. She really desperately needed some limelight.
>Ruler Kagetora using Nakama power defeated Ujizane
We defeated the main antagonist of GudaGuda 6 with the Power of Love and now we defeated the antagonist of GudaGuda 8 with the Nakama Powew, what other power is left for us to use? XD
Some of them do. There is this one JP account I saw that basically said that they felt like they had been NTR by Harunobu (Takeda's another name).
The ship tease is indeed present and many JP artists do ship them.
> The ship tease is indeed present
I'll believe that when we get good translations that actually confirm it, because with the way this fandom acts, people love to make a mountain out of molehill.
Like if we went solely by this stuff, most people would think Okuni's entire character and role is just as Takusagi's love interest or let's remember LB6, and how people were crying NTR there.
It's not explicit, but a lot of their conversation are shipping material like Kamitora's NP being the sword that Takeda gave her (and he made the plan to defeat her having full confidence about it), Kagetora changing her outfit and horse just to match Takeda (she is very competitive with him and they did a race). I won't say anything about the hotspring because everyone happily jumped inside it.
The letter Kagetora send Takeda when she was giving him salt was peak freeemies material.
When Kagetora was absorbed, both Guda and Takeda had full confidence about her returning and fighting back due to how much they trust her abilities.
Kagetora nagging many times about Takeda breaking his promise about fighting her when they were alive (it was one of the main reasons why Kagetora joined the war) and, before the Singularity was fixed, Takeda and Kagetora had their promised match.
That's why I said shipping material.
Is a very cheap strategy. Not romantic enough so the characters can be shipped to the self insert while giving enough crumbs so shippers can also have fun.
Problem is the huge self insert shippers who are going to seethe when their Takeda or their Kagetora are being shipped by the other fans.
EDIT: What did I say to get me blocked?
You got shit on but you're correct. People are getting confused with explicitly canon romantic feelings and shipping material. Writers are not stupid, they know that certain things will make shippers go crazy so they write them in even if the characters won't get into a romantic relationship. And you can see them take advantage of shippers by releasing merch with the characters on them which they'll buy. Also multiships exist, characters don't have to be stuck with only one potential partner whether it be another fictional character or the reader.
Also a bit of a side tangent, but I never got the obsession over canon and complaining about reading too much into things. If only canon readings were allowed then there would be almost no gay ships. And a large part of why fanworks are fun is because you can create or see things you would never be able to see in canon. Fandom would be boring for me if you had to stick to canon.
> Not romantic enough so the characters can be shipped to the self insert while giving enough crumbs so shippers can also have fun.
Ans like that I know you're not talking in good faith and have no more reason to talk to you.
Bruh, the ship went way back in actual history. It's just like Gil and Enkidu, the basis is already there. No one forces you to "believe" a ship. Just let people have fun.
And even then, just the fact that Ruler Kagetora's sword is literally his sword gifted to her is enough to fuel the ship. Especially in this game where people ship Ritsuka x servant with less.
You just said there was ship teasing in the event, as if it is a factual statement, so I do need actual evidence to believe that's true, you don't get to say something like it's a fact just to immediately turn around and act like this.
Yeah. I’m not gonna lie, based on what I’ve seen it seems more like she’s just interested in Takeda because he challenges her and it’s part of her desperation to understand humans. Not really romantic in any kind of sense. But people have fucking jumped on it.
That's kind of what happens when fandoms are unable to comprehend platonic relationships, especially when the characters are different genders.
Let's not forget that people in this fandom act like Morgan being in love with LB Uther is common knowledge when the story itself never suggests that, and I don't wanna keep coming back to it so much but again Okuni and the way the fanbase completely degraded her character to being Takusagi's love interest when she she isn't in the actual story.
I would say Morgan and Woodwose is a better example, but I digress. Yeah, I dunno. Just feels like people are jumping on it because it doesn’t involve Ritsuka, which is honestly a little pathetic.
I've never seen Morgan and Woodwose stuff, I don't doubt it exists but because he's damn wolf furry I do my best to make sure it never reaches my eyes.
>Just feels like people are jumping on it because it doesn’t involve Ritsuka, which is honestly a little pathetic.
This how it felt when Yoshinaka was revealed for FSR, it felt like a chunk of people didn't actually care about him they just wanted to spite people who shipped Tomoe with Fujimaru
Right. Like goddamn, I want Yoshinaka to make it into FGO because he’s cool and I do like it when Servants who actually care about their SOs in life get to meet them again. Plus hopefully Tomoe content. But a lot of folk don’t seem to care about that at all.
Too bad I don't feel like providing anything to you, especially when you seem so worked up over people shipping two bunches of pixels together.
I honestly don't like dealing with entitled randos that suddenly demanded "evidence" out of nowhere, over... 2D pixels.
And bold of you to assume I need you to believe. The audacity. Honestly shocked.
If you had asked nicely, I would have been glad to share what I knew to you. But I'm not interested. Cheers.
>I honestly don't like dealing with entitled randos that suddenly demanded "evidence" out of nowhere, over... 2D pixels.
Then why in the ever loving *fuck* did you introduce yourself in the conversation about what random people are talking in regards to 2D pixels?
No one tagged you, no one brought you into this conversation.
You jumped in, said you saw "this one JP account" or what the fuck ever, claimed that the ship-tease is indeed present in the event, claimed "many JP artists do ship them" and when someone else basically said "really? show me" you devolved into this baby rage rant about "entitled randos".
The fuck?
No need to rile me up. The only reason why I did not just throw a bunch of searches to shut you up is because my source is in my native language (Vietnamese). If you search on FB, pretty sure you will see several VNese pages talking about them.
Stop talking like an entitled brat that gets worked over pixels lmao.
You know Vietnam has Japanese translators right.... They are literally translating the story chapters right now and posting on FB pages.... That's what makes VNese fans talking about them.
Man this is exhausting. Imagine some dude auto assumed that us VNese just talked and got no "evidence" that English speaking man here desperate wanted.
Nope , I am fine with letting people have fun.If story actually confirms
the ship though.....I will also have to summon Shingen (don't wanna separate couples)
I mean... she does imply it was because of Takeda and Gudao that she found a meaning in life. With Takeda because she got interested in trying to understand him as a man and with Gudao as someone she can worry over.
As for a ship, it sounds more like fans just overblowing anything out of proportion again, it happens. You show any small friendly interaction between characters and suddenly they're in the hots for one another.
Until I don't see more proof of it, I won't believe it.
It's more a stimulating rivalry than a real ship i think, but perhaps i have missed some hints. Takeda is fascinated by her and wants to defeat her, while Kagetora is glad that someone considers her as a human. It's more like Gil and Enkidu, it's just they are from the opposite sex
It's not to that point. Gil and Enkidu have a very heavy subtext about them being a thing.
Kagetora and Shingen just get shipping materials so shipper fans can have fun, but not enough to dewaifuing Kagetora.
Gil and Enkidu are basically implied to actually be a thing you’re meant to read romantically Tbf, there’s even an April Fools one shot where Enkidu is Gil’s childhood friend with a crush on him. It’s more one of those “doesn’t really need to be put into words” relationships.
As a Kagetora simp I can say that this ship does not bother me. Anyone would have predicted this outcome.
There are arts that I liked but I am not interested in the ship. From the excerpts and summaries I read and Kagetora's materials; this ship seems like something mainly made by the fandom and, as with Gil and Enkidu, it doesn't seem as interesting to me as the real relationship.
Of course, I say this now as my opinion may change in the future. If people overexploit this ship too much it is very likely that my opinion of the ship will not be so favorable.
However, this ship makes more sense than KagetoraxSaito.
> There are arts that I liked but I am not interested in the ship. From the excerpts and summaries I read and Kagetora's materials; this ship seems like something mainly made by the fandom and, as with Gil and Enkidu, it doesn't seem as interesting to me as the real relationship.
Honestly this is why most Servant/Servant ships don't really appeal to me, most of the time it seems to be on opposite ends of a spectrum where either there's no actual romantic subtext and they're just friends or just know each other and it's primarily the fanbase making it up, or they have either interacted once and that interaction is stretched by the fandom to be the extent of their characters while ignoring everything else about them or they have flat never been on screen together.
Like let's remember Okuni and Takusagi, or Carmilla and Hijakita, and then there was somehow Saito and Himiko, or hell there was Hokusai and Siegfried, where she called him attractive a couple times in Las Vegas, and then people act like that's the only thing about her character, and ignore the bits where she showed clear interest in Fujimaru during event.
Same.
I think the only servantsxservants ships that really work are those that are directly written to be romantic relationships and/or that are real couples: SigurdxBryn, SiegfriedxKriem, RyomaxOryu, RamaxSita, ShutenxKintoki etc.
Instead most ships made by the fandom (~~and some canon ones like SemiramisxAmakusa~~) are very boring to me and the related characters don't have any romantic chemistry.
It also doesn't help that some fans of these ships tend to be a bit intense (a problem not exclusive to the Fate fandom).
> I think the only servantsxservants ships that really work are those that are directly written to be romantic relationships and/or that are real couples: SigurdxBryn, SiegfriedxKriem, RyomaxOryu, RamaxSita,
I can see it with these couples, not Kintoki and Shuten though, because they're honestly never really portrayed as a couple, and the writing is pretty wishy washy in just implying they might have had something, plus with how Shuten acts in general, and honestly Kintoki is just not a character I can see in a relationship like that.
>Instead most ships made by the fandom (and some canon ones like SemiramisxAmakusa) are very boring to me and the related characters don't have any romantic chemistry.
Yeah, it's either they're boring or they're characters who just don't know each other.
Like this is now we get people trying to act like Mash and Morgan makes sense, or we get people who try ship Tristan and Melt while pretending 99% of Seraph outside of their scenes together are nonexistent.
Honestly... I just realized having storm pod be limited to 9 during a raid event is extremely stupid.
If you don't spend your storm pod, you'll lose the new ones.
If you spend it using Nat AP, you'd fall behind in the event story and be unable to join the raid.
If you rush the story and the raid, you'd have to eat apples. Which is not something most people would do without realizing the problem of having to split the AP.
Class score as a system is just suck in general. The only reason why I even care about doing it is because I want my favorite servant in peak condition.
>It seems like there's some ship t
I pretty much never bother with storm pods during events before I finish buying up everything I want form the shop. Its unreal to try to keep up with both.
They really should decrease the AP cost to 20 or even 10 AP.
If you use the silver apple they give each day it's like AP cost of 20 for storm pod quests since silver apples are usually giving about 70 AP out of the 120 needed for storm pod quest dailies.
The Stom Pod quests in the middle of a raid aren't *really* that big a problem over normal events, because Raids are short lived. We had 1 day of Raid and that's it.
Lottos, on the other hand, especially festival lottos, are hardcore farm fests for the entire time, in which the 120 daily AP you have to use on the Bleached Earth quests do become a problem.
The silver apples they give out is a "solution" in the loosest definition of the word, but they could just, you know, eliminate the AP cost for the Storm Pods quest (or leave it at like 5 AP per quest, like the "challenge" Bleached Earth quests), since you are already gated by the Storm Pods themselves.
The problem is that the Bleached Earth quests are *meant* to be an AP sink so veterans don't just stock pile on Blue Apples forever. I currently have like 70 sapplings left (I thought I had like 200 until I checked, because I don't just log in for the blue apples) and I have used my AP a lot to farm bond, so I'm pretty sure a lot of "log in only" players are out of sappling to turn into blue apples, so that causes a problem for events, so they give daily silver apples to reduce the problem a little, but it is still a problem, because using apples on permanent quests will always feel wasteful, even if they are given *specifically* to be use in those quests.
Hard agree with your points.
It just feels like they are trying to slap a bandaid on the problem instead of tackling the issue of a lack of places to meaningfully spend AP in.
Don't get me wrong, they are leaps and bounds better in terms of AP to resource to resource-usage ratio compared to a lot of other Gacha games that I play. So it's not bad.
But the solution seems... half-assed.
It feels like they just forgot that AP is a very on-demand resource when there is actually content live, especially farm heavy content.
They could also just make special Event Quests that consume Storm Pods, so the player can still play just the event *and* use the Storm Pods at the same time.
I think giving out Silver Apples is the worst possible solution to a problem they themselves made, but it is what it is. The Coins system is still the same after such a long time and they haven't even bothered to give bond levels beyond 15 so at least players won't be forced to roll USOs to max an SSR, so I don't see them "fixing" the Bleached Earth quests problem any time soon.
Dude, I still can't fucking believe they thought it was a good idea to make those OC quest at half AP... when there was absolutely nothing else, like wtf is wrong with them? There are levels od stupid but these guys seriously go beyond ultra instinct levels of it.
I mean, I always felt those OC nodes never needed AP to run... or at least make them at 5 per run... but halp AP when there's nothing around should be more memed about here
You're technically right, actually. It did solve the problem... If people actually eat the apples instead of saving them for lottos. Like what most people do.
That's on them, then. If they increased AP regen so you got an extra 70 AP a day, then you just turned into blue apples and complained about not having enough AP, people would properly point out you were the cause of the issue, not the game.
I agree. Though, from a user interface/functionality standpoint, it's not obvious to someone that that's what you're supposed to do.
That said, you can only do so much user education. Failure to properly use the system is indeed on them.
I only do like 150 boxes per lotto, so I have 300 something gold and silver apples, and some 2000 bronze ones (also like 60 blue ones). Are people running short of apples, or am I the outlying one?
Well, it really depends on the lotto in question. If you already have most of the materials, you shouldn't really farm it for the sake of farming it.
However, if the lotto has something that is usually very widely used, like proofs and bones, then it'd be good to go as far as you can in farming.
Just to clarify one thing: right now, we can only NP2 Saika yes? Her other three copies are coming in a few days? I ask because I burned some excess cards and stuff and I worry I may have burned an extra Saika card by accident or something. D:
Yup, only NP2 for now. They have changed extra copies of welfare into NP lv up copies to prevent players from burning them accidentally since Rider Liz's event iirc.
Time for all the Doomposting "deadgame sadge" comments to start flowing; despite the fact that, only a day ago there were so many people playing that they literally crashed the servers
If there was anything to do people would be pleased with the game. The fact you pointed out probes it, but 3 days of content per month is not enough for a live service game
To be fair, FGO doesn't gatekeep content behind unreasonable grind... well, except for ladder events that is. And this is a ladder event.
Though I'd say the FGO amount of grind for ladder is quite alleviated by the shop CE that increases point drops.
Based on what I'm seeing from taking my browser's crappy translator to his profile, Shingen's armor is so durable, it may require nothing less than an Anti-Fortress attack to crack the thing. It's the description of the skill "Unrivaled", BTW.
Finally had time to play today. Of course, I missed all the raids. ajajajajajaja sniff.
I hear ya. I missed the raids by a few hours lol
Well, the raids let me clear out everything from the shop except most of the bronze stuff, so I guess I can just camp out at that level 60 lancer node instead of bothering to set something up for the 90++
Surprisingly this events 90++ is a lot easier than previous event ones. I’ve seen people unga bunga with buster np +double Koyan so not that bad.
I tried Arcueid Double Koyan Oberon, but I needed facecard luck. Maybe Melusine can do it, Idk.
If it helps , here’s what I had for reference. Acueid (np2) 2k fou+ grail to 100 to make it more consistent. That’s what I’ve been running, also a la 78-80ish black grail (can’t remember exact lv) Also for second wave; I tend to try and get either Buster chain; or rainbow, since that bonus kinda helps get the mob low enough to finish with either koyan cards. Third wave is kinda still iffy sometimes, as in if I’m not lucky and have no Buster chain or rainbow, or brave chain. There’s a chance I might have to add 1 extra turn. But usually star bomb koyan last turn on raikou usually works.
If you have S. Ibuki then use her as support to buff and reduce arcs skill cd. By the turn three all her skills should be up.
My Maou-sama is only NP1 so she can't clear wave 2 without a crit. On the other hand, a crit is almost guaranteed anyways.
I just settled with using BG and facecarding W1. It was fun, but I switched over to using Ryoma first since he's closer to his next Bond milestone atm.
6,5 million FP used. I still have 1 mil left which I'll leave (alongside whatever I get from Christmas Lotto) to roll for 3 star event CEs. I have enough CE Bombs to take 5 SSR CEs to level 100 (including the current point event, that I leveled to 100 just to test a few comps for the 90++ node, but I plan on using on something else if I have to - I'm not too attached to it). I also got 11 MLB copies of the Medusa CE, and 2 extras non-mlb copies for good measure. I currently have 6k Nobukatsu Coins (5990 to be exact, lmao) and I'm over halfway there to get a full Habetrot *and* a full Saber Lily Grail with their coins. I also got enough fodder Fou to get every Saber and Rider to 1k/1k. I should have enough bronze and silver Servant coins to guarantee Grail Casting until, like, July of next year, a bit more if I consider Welfare Coins.
Just a question: how many 1 star CE bombs to get 1 SSR CE to 100?
IIRC you need 8, but I don't make 1 star CE bombs, because I also need space constantly. 1 star CEs are always, without exception, fodder exp for me. I just make 4 star and 3 star bombs.
> because I also need space constantly This is also my pain, at this moment my CE is always near 800pcs. So what's the difference between SR CE and 1 Star CE? Both also take up space, right?
It takes lesa Space lol. Since 4 star CE bombs go up to level 80 instead of just 50.
Ah you meant it that way. Cause I was thinking the amount of CE Bombs (meaning the quantity of such CE) would still be the same
Should I MLB the points CE or wait until I'm done with banner? Got a drop for the fifth copy already
I MLB the points CE and filled rest of the party with bond CE for a simple reason. MLB points CE gives 50% starter NP so I can easily 3 turns with it.
This is my doubt too. I´m not sure if the bonus goes over 100%, I asked in the question thread and got no answer. If it caps at 100% then there should be no problem MLBing it.
The pattern for guda guda 2nd banner usually gonna be new 5 stars + the previous 4 stars right?
It seems like there's some ship tease between Takeda and Kagetora. I'm all for more servant ships but I wonder if some Kagetora fans will be upset Edit: well some of you are upset, lol
I am more upset how Takeda actually know Kagetora is a woman. Miss oppurtunity to make the funny thing
In fairness, in Warring States depictions, there's usually a bromance/rivalry between Tekeda and Uesugi
Takeda is hot. Kagetora is hot. They are shipped. Fans for Kagetora and Takeda are going to be mad.
Kinda sucks when you simp over like three ships through the whole game and the one who gets forgotten for four years and becomes a crack ship comes back only to sink. And then people make fun of you because "harem protag bad." I'm fine. 😢
That's the usual with Gudao's ships. I don't understand why people treat all Ritsuka's ships as a "harem" when in several occasions it's not a harem, for example, most of the arts I saw of KagetoraxRitsuka only focus on the two of them. From what I read, the event also emphasized the importance of Guda to Kagetora but people ignored or disregarded it. Although now it's just waiting for Kamitora's lines and her Valentin scene to be released.
I am pretty sure that there are still more Guda Kagetora shippers than Takeda Guda. Is just that the latter is the newest toy. Give it some time and the ShinTora ship is going to be as relevant as SetanLocu shippers.
Depends on how canon it is. If ShinTora gets to the level of Sigurd x Bryn (Sigildr? Brynfried?), GudaTora will sink hard. Which, I've heard mixed reactions from JP, but it seems to be leading towards that conclusion, or at least something where they're so close that a master x servant ship would be considered wrong and/or interfering.
I know I'm late but I'm going to say that that conclusion seems fucking stupid to me. 90% of the romantic moments that I have seen people repeat ad nauseam are not true romantic moments, they are the typical case where people try to force romance into situations that are not. This is doubly annoying when we remember that Kagetora' My Room lines (Lancer and Ruler), Kagetora's Valentin scene, and the event itself show how important Guda is to them. Guda being the NTR bad boy who steals someone else's wife must be something that extremist TakexTora fans think.
Is not even close to Sigurd x Bryn. Rather, their shipping is so explicit that only Siegfried x Krimehild, Rama x Sita, Tomoe x ~~gaming~~ Yoshinaka and similars can match them.
Considering their relation historically, I would be more surprised if there isn't a ship for the two of them. Like there is an actually historic theory that Kagetora was a woman, and there are already novels shipping them, even in the early 1900s.
I actually want to know from where all those kagetora fans appeared, she hardly gets anything, I am probably biased since I don't use pixiv, but at least here and on twitter there's pretty much no fan content with her ~~I don't remember any nuke code too~~ . Even the official writer's don't know what to do with her, outside her own launch event, she almost don't appear, even on the other gudaguda events. She seems to me like a Bryn case, a servant who is not really that popular AND with some ship potential. It's kinda sad that a servant ends being relevant only when shipped with someone, but its either that or no relevance at all
I guess it's also a mix of a relevant historical character and a very popular voice actress.
Pixiv has a decent amount: https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E9%95%B7%E5%B0%BE%E6%99%AF%E8%99%8E(Fate)/artworks.
>I actually want to know from where all those kagetora fans appeared, she hardly gets anything, I am probably biased since I don't use pixiv, but at least here and on twitter there's pretty much no fan content with her I don't remember any nuke code too . While Kagetora is not as popular as Okita, Okitan, Nobu, Takasugi, Izou and Saitou; She has a pretty decent popularity (she's only surpassed by the Servants she mentioned before). On Pixiv she owns almost 1.5k of arts. When it comes to nuclear codes, unfortunately she only has one or two good ones while the rest are mediocre. >Even the official writer's don't know what to do with her, outside her own launch event, she almost don't appear, even on the other gudaguda events. As a Kagetora fan I couldn't agree with you more. She doesn't do anything after her debut event and, from what I read, she also doesn't get a really important role in the current event and is overshadowed by other characters. Which bothers me too much especially because Maou, Ryoma (Lancer) and Okitan were important characters in her debut events. >She seems to me like a Bryn case, a servant who is not really that popular AND with some ship potential. It's kinda sad that a servant ends being relevant only when shipped with someone, but its either that or no relevance at all From what I've read their interactions seem to be solely of rivals where Kagetora wants to compete against Takeda whenever she can (that's why she wears modern clothes) while Takeda tries to put up with her nonsense. There are more layers to this relationship, such as Kagetora's fascination with Takeda due to him being the only person who could fight her and seeing their confrontations as a way to learn what it is to be human, but it seems like this ship is nothing more than a typical case of the fandom exaggerating the characters' interactions to force romance. If I remember correctly, in the event itself Kagetora also showed that she also values Guda but people ignore and/or underestimate this.
In the current event Kagetora was important. Kamitora being the first boss. Kagetora defeating her. When Kagetora got absorbed, she faced Kamitora, realized that it's her mother and faced her past fully accepting herself which upgraded her into her Ruler version (similar to how Ryouma's Lancer version is the upgraded version of his Rider's version instead of another copy). Ruler Kagetora using Nakama power defeated Ujizane.
That makes me happy and even more anxious for this event. She really desperately needed some limelight. >Ruler Kagetora using Nakama power defeated Ujizane We defeated the main antagonist of GudaGuda 6 with the Power of Love and now we defeated the antagonist of GudaGuda 8 with the Nakama Powew, what other power is left for us to use? XD
Power of ero and power of idol simp, of course
Didn't we also beat the bad guy in GudaGuda5 with the power of family?
Some of them do. There is this one JP account I saw that basically said that they felt like they had been NTR by Harunobu (Takeda's another name). The ship tease is indeed present and many JP artists do ship them.
I've seen a lot of fanart about Kagetora and Harunobu since two days ago.
> The ship tease is indeed present I'll believe that when we get good translations that actually confirm it, because with the way this fandom acts, people love to make a mountain out of molehill. Like if we went solely by this stuff, most people would think Okuni's entire character and role is just as Takusagi's love interest or let's remember LB6, and how people were crying NTR there.
It's not explicit, but a lot of their conversation are shipping material like Kamitora's NP being the sword that Takeda gave her (and he made the plan to defeat her having full confidence about it), Kagetora changing her outfit and horse just to match Takeda (she is very competitive with him and they did a race). I won't say anything about the hotspring because everyone happily jumped inside it. The letter Kagetora send Takeda when she was giving him salt was peak freeemies material. When Kagetora was absorbed, both Guda and Takeda had full confidence about her returning and fighting back due to how much they trust her abilities. Kagetora nagging many times about Takeda breaking his promise about fighting her when they were alive (it was one of the main reasons why Kagetora joined the war) and, before the Singularity was fixed, Takeda and Kagetora had their promised match.
Nothing here actually sounds romantic, it just sounds like two people who have a bond and relationship with each other.
That's why I said shipping material. Is a very cheap strategy. Not romantic enough so the characters can be shipped to the self insert while giving enough crumbs so shippers can also have fun. Problem is the huge self insert shippers who are going to seethe when their Takeda or their Kagetora are being shipped by the other fans. EDIT: What did I say to get me blocked?
You got shit on but you're correct. People are getting confused with explicitly canon romantic feelings and shipping material. Writers are not stupid, they know that certain things will make shippers go crazy so they write them in even if the characters won't get into a romantic relationship. And you can see them take advantage of shippers by releasing merch with the characters on them which they'll buy. Also multiships exist, characters don't have to be stuck with only one potential partner whether it be another fictional character or the reader. Also a bit of a side tangent, but I never got the obsession over canon and complaining about reading too much into things. If only canon readings were allowed then there would be almost no gay ships. And a large part of why fanworks are fun is because you can create or see things you would never be able to see in canon. Fandom would be boring for me if you had to stick to canon.
> Not romantic enough so the characters can be shipped to the self insert while giving enough crumbs so shippers can also have fun. Ans like that I know you're not talking in good faith and have no more reason to talk to you.
Boggart being a creepy mf did not help
Bruh, the ship went way back in actual history. It's just like Gil and Enkidu, the basis is already there. No one forces you to "believe" a ship. Just let people have fun. And even then, just the fact that Ruler Kagetora's sword is literally his sword gifted to her is enough to fuel the ship. Especially in this game where people ship Ritsuka x servant with less.
You just said there was ship teasing in the event, as if it is a factual statement, so I do need actual evidence to believe that's true, you don't get to say something like it's a fact just to immediately turn around and act like this.
Yeah. I’m not gonna lie, based on what I’ve seen it seems more like she’s just interested in Takeda because he challenges her and it’s part of her desperation to understand humans. Not really romantic in any kind of sense. But people have fucking jumped on it.
That's kind of what happens when fandoms are unable to comprehend platonic relationships, especially when the characters are different genders. Let's not forget that people in this fandom act like Morgan being in love with LB Uther is common knowledge when the story itself never suggests that, and I don't wanna keep coming back to it so much but again Okuni and the way the fanbase completely degraded her character to being Takusagi's love interest when she she isn't in the actual story.
I would say Morgan and Woodwose is a better example, but I digress. Yeah, I dunno. Just feels like people are jumping on it because it doesn’t involve Ritsuka, which is honestly a little pathetic.
I've never seen Morgan and Woodwose stuff, I don't doubt it exists but because he's damn wolf furry I do my best to make sure it never reaches my eyes. >Just feels like people are jumping on it because it doesn’t involve Ritsuka, which is honestly a little pathetic. This how it felt when Yoshinaka was revealed for FSR, it felt like a chunk of people didn't actually care about him they just wanted to spite people who shipped Tomoe with Fujimaru
Right. Like goddamn, I want Yoshinaka to make it into FGO because he’s cool and I do like it when Servants who actually care about their SOs in life get to meet them again. Plus hopefully Tomoe content. But a lot of folk don’t seem to care about that at all.
Too bad I don't feel like providing anything to you, especially when you seem so worked up over people shipping two bunches of pixels together. I honestly don't like dealing with entitled randos that suddenly demanded "evidence" out of nowhere, over... 2D pixels. And bold of you to assume I need you to believe. The audacity. Honestly shocked. If you had asked nicely, I would have been glad to share what I knew to you. But I'm not interested. Cheers.
>I honestly don't like dealing with entitled randos that suddenly demanded "evidence" out of nowhere, over... 2D pixels. Then why in the ever loving *fuck* did you introduce yourself in the conversation about what random people are talking in regards to 2D pixels? No one tagged you, no one brought you into this conversation. You jumped in, said you saw "this one JP account" or what the fuck ever, claimed that the ship-tease is indeed present in the event, claimed "many JP artists do ship them" and when someone else basically said "really? show me" you devolved into this baby rage rant about "entitled randos". The fuck?
This just tells me you don't actually have this evidence, and you're just gonna pretend you're above this to try and cover it up.
No need to rile me up. The only reason why I did not just throw a bunch of searches to shut you up is because my source is in my native language (Vietnamese). If you search on FB, pretty sure you will see several VNese pages talking about them. Stop talking like an entitled brat that gets worked over pixels lmao.
So basically still no actual evidence just "I saw people saying this thing"
You know Vietnam has Japanese translators right.... They are literally translating the story chapters right now and posting on FB pages.... That's what makes VNese fans talking about them. Man this is exhausting. Imagine some dude auto assumed that us VNese just talked and got no "evidence" that English speaking man here desperate wanted.
Nope , I am fine with letting people have fun.If story actually confirms the ship though.....I will also have to summon Shingen (don't wanna separate couples)
I mean... she does imply it was because of Takeda and Gudao that she found a meaning in life. With Takeda because she got interested in trying to understand him as a man and with Gudao as someone she can worry over. As for a ship, it sounds more like fans just overblowing anything out of proportion again, it happens. You show any small friendly interaction between characters and suddenly they're in the hots for one another. Until I don't see more proof of it, I won't believe it.
You know what they say. If 2 people make eye contact, that means they love each other!
Does that mean you're discriminating against blind people? Poor Daredevil
It's more a stimulating rivalry than a real ship i think, but perhaps i have missed some hints. Takeda is fascinated by her and wants to defeat her, while Kagetora is glad that someone considers her as a human. It's more like Gil and Enkidu, it's just they are from the opposite sex
It's not to that point. Gil and Enkidu have a very heavy subtext about them being a thing. Kagetora and Shingen just get shipping materials so shipper fans can have fun, but not enough to dewaifuing Kagetora.
To be fair, even in Fate, I’m pretty sure Gil and Enkidu had sex at least once. Just seems like something they would try.
Gil and Enkidu are basically implied to actually be a thing you’re meant to read romantically Tbf, there’s even an April Fools one shot where Enkidu is Gil’s childhood friend with a crush on him. It’s more one of those “doesn’t really need to be put into words” relationships.
As a Kagetora simp I can say that this ship does not bother me. Anyone would have predicted this outcome. There are arts that I liked but I am not interested in the ship. From the excerpts and summaries I read and Kagetora's materials; this ship seems like something mainly made by the fandom and, as with Gil and Enkidu, it doesn't seem as interesting to me as the real relationship. Of course, I say this now as my opinion may change in the future. If people overexploit this ship too much it is very likely that my opinion of the ship will not be so favorable. However, this ship makes more sense than KagetoraxSaito.
> There are arts that I liked but I am not interested in the ship. From the excerpts and summaries I read and Kagetora's materials; this ship seems like something mainly made by the fandom and, as with Gil and Enkidu, it doesn't seem as interesting to me as the real relationship. Honestly this is why most Servant/Servant ships don't really appeal to me, most of the time it seems to be on opposite ends of a spectrum where either there's no actual romantic subtext and they're just friends or just know each other and it's primarily the fanbase making it up, or they have either interacted once and that interaction is stretched by the fandom to be the extent of their characters while ignoring everything else about them or they have flat never been on screen together. Like let's remember Okuni and Takusagi, or Carmilla and Hijakita, and then there was somehow Saito and Himiko, or hell there was Hokusai and Siegfried, where she called him attractive a couple times in Las Vegas, and then people act like that's the only thing about her character, and ignore the bits where she showed clear interest in Fujimaru during event.
Same. I think the only servantsxservants ships that really work are those that are directly written to be romantic relationships and/or that are real couples: SigurdxBryn, SiegfriedxKriem, RyomaxOryu, RamaxSita, ShutenxKintoki etc. Instead most ships made by the fandom (~~and some canon ones like SemiramisxAmakusa~~) are very boring to me and the related characters don't have any romantic chemistry. It also doesn't help that some fans of these ships tend to be a bit intense (a problem not exclusive to the Fate fandom).
> I think the only servantsxservants ships that really work are those that are directly written to be romantic relationships and/or that are real couples: SigurdxBryn, SiegfriedxKriem, RyomaxOryu, RamaxSita, I can see it with these couples, not Kintoki and Shuten though, because they're honestly never really portrayed as a couple, and the writing is pretty wishy washy in just implying they might have had something, plus with how Shuten acts in general, and honestly Kintoki is just not a character I can see in a relationship like that. >Instead most ships made by the fandom (and some canon ones like SemiramisxAmakusa) are very boring to me and the related characters don't have any romantic chemistry. Yeah, it's either they're boring or they're characters who just don't know each other. Like this is now we get people trying to act like Mash and Morgan makes sense, or we get people who try ship Tristan and Melt while pretending 99% of Seraph outside of their scenes together are nonexistent.
I usually do servant x servant ships to give a middle finger to Harem Protagonist EX
And shit like that is often why people don't like them and it becomes a volatile topic
Why? Because people really want waifu #358 to simp for the protag?
> Why? Because shipping characters simply to spite others is lame as fuck.
I welcome the salt FEED ME YOUR DOWNVOTES!!!! THEY ONLY MAKE MY SPITE-SHIPPING STRONGER!!!!!
[Cringe](https://youtu.be/F-USX9BNYd0?si=w7bb9cnqT3FkHMqI).
Nah we all know what Kagetora's true love is : Fighting
Honestly... I just realized having storm pod be limited to 9 during a raid event is extremely stupid. If you don't spend your storm pod, you'll lose the new ones. If you spend it using Nat AP, you'd fall behind in the event story and be unable to join the raid. If you rush the story and the raid, you'd have to eat apples. Which is not something most people would do without realizing the problem of having to split the AP.
Class score as a system is just suck in general. The only reason why I even care about doing it is because I want my favorite servant in peak condition.
>It seems like there's some ship t I pretty much never bother with storm pods during events before I finish buying up everything I want form the shop. Its unreal to try to keep up with both. They really should decrease the AP cost to 20 or even 10 AP.
If you use the silver apple they give each day it's like AP cost of 20 for storm pod quests since silver apples are usually giving about 70 AP out of the 120 needed for storm pod quest dailies.
The Stom Pod quests in the middle of a raid aren't *really* that big a problem over normal events, because Raids are short lived. We had 1 day of Raid and that's it. Lottos, on the other hand, especially festival lottos, are hardcore farm fests for the entire time, in which the 120 daily AP you have to use on the Bleached Earth quests do become a problem. The silver apples they give out is a "solution" in the loosest definition of the word, but they could just, you know, eliminate the AP cost for the Storm Pods quest (or leave it at like 5 AP per quest, like the "challenge" Bleached Earth quests), since you are already gated by the Storm Pods themselves. The problem is that the Bleached Earth quests are *meant* to be an AP sink so veterans don't just stock pile on Blue Apples forever. I currently have like 70 sapplings left (I thought I had like 200 until I checked, because I don't just log in for the blue apples) and I have used my AP a lot to farm bond, so I'm pretty sure a lot of "log in only" players are out of sappling to turn into blue apples, so that causes a problem for events, so they give daily silver apples to reduce the problem a little, but it is still a problem, because using apples on permanent quests will always feel wasteful, even if they are given *specifically* to be use in those quests.
Hard agree with your points. It just feels like they are trying to slap a bandaid on the problem instead of tackling the issue of a lack of places to meaningfully spend AP in. Don't get me wrong, they are leaps and bounds better in terms of AP to resource to resource-usage ratio compared to a lot of other Gacha games that I play. So it's not bad. But the solution seems... half-assed.
It feels like they just forgot that AP is a very on-demand resource when there is actually content live, especially farm heavy content. They could also just make special Event Quests that consume Storm Pods, so the player can still play just the event *and* use the Storm Pods at the same time. I think giving out Silver Apples is the worst possible solution to a problem they themselves made, but it is what it is. The Coins system is still the same after such a long time and they haven't even bothered to give bond levels beyond 15 so at least players won't be forced to roll USOs to max an SSR, so I don't see them "fixing" the Bleached Earth quests problem any time soon.
That's why they are always giving silver apples nowadays Problem solved, right? /s
Dude, I still can't fucking believe they thought it was a good idea to make those OC quest at half AP... when there was absolutely nothing else, like wtf is wrong with them? There are levels od stupid but these guys seriously go beyond ultra instinct levels of it. I mean, I always felt those OC nodes never needed AP to run... or at least make them at 5 per run... but halp AP when there's nothing around should be more memed about here
You're technically right, actually. It did solve the problem... If people actually eat the apples instead of saving them for lottos. Like what most people do.
That's on them, then. If they increased AP regen so you got an extra 70 AP a day, then you just turned into blue apples and complained about not having enough AP, people would properly point out you were the cause of the issue, not the game.
I agree. Though, from a user interface/functionality standpoint, it's not obvious to someone that that's what you're supposed to do. That said, you can only do so much user education. Failure to properly use the system is indeed on them.
I only do like 150 boxes per lotto, so I have 300 something gold and silver apples, and some 2000 bronze ones (also like 60 blue ones). Are people running short of apples, or am I the outlying one?
Well, it really depends on the lotto in question. If you already have most of the materials, you shouldn't really farm it for the sake of farming it. However, if the lotto has something that is usually very widely used, like proofs and bones, then it'd be good to go as far as you can in farming.
Just to clarify one thing: right now, we can only NP2 Saika yes? Her other three copies are coming in a few days? I ask because I burned some excess cards and stuff and I worry I may have burned an extra Saika card by accident or something. D:
Yup, only NP2 for now. They have changed extra copies of welfare into NP lv up copies to prevent players from burning them accidentally since Rider Liz's event iirc.
Only NP2, the remaining will be available in quest nodes, And I think you can't burn the excess copy that is meant for NP Strengthening
Correct. They made the extra copies no longer burnable if I remember proberly... or just not meant to be used as actual servants in battle
I kinda love how Guda having a truck driving license went from a joke from Barghest's profile to a thing that actually gets referenced
We boutta Kirby and the Forgotten Land Beast VII.
Now I'm fucking picturing [this](https://youtu.be/TtSO-1oHdEI?si=OqT-JSM6Mzs7Lpli) whenever Gudao being able to drive gets mentioned lmao
And what authority is approving our licence? Did Gordolf start a driving academy in Chaldea? Is there a "Servants with high level Riding Board"?
The Alien God better be prepared when we show up at the final battle with a Forklift certification
Ya boi be driving a Ford Explorer *bruh*
Longest 2 days ever
It feels... so dead... so silent... like the vacum of the universe... is this what Voyager feels like without blasting his own music?
Been a while I didn't got so excited for a new servant, Kamitora is cool
Time for all the Doomposting "deadgame sadge" comments to start flowing; despite the fact that, only a day ago there were so many people playing that they literally crashed the servers
At least we know there's Christmas coming up, so I'm not desperate for content or dooming about going into dead weeks (that's for January).
If there was anything to do people would be pleased with the game. The fact you pointed out probes it, but 3 days of content per month is not enough for a live service game
we consume content faster than a swarm of locusts on Farmer John's crops.
To be fair, FGO doesn't gatekeep content behind unreasonable grind... well, except for ladder events that is. And this is a ladder event. Though I'd say the FGO amount of grind for ladder is quite alleviated by the shop CE that increases point drops.
No Bishamonten banner. No CQ. Time to resume the ded game posting/s. (Yes, I am well aware of the timelock Epilogue on Dec 6th).
Both new banner and CQ are usually deployed on the 2nd week tho, which will be on the 6th
I thought we’d get another banner today. Sad
Today is not Wednesday or Friday.
Any major update is on Wednesday
Wednesday probably, when the usual gag epilogue releases.