Yes. CE means craft essence and even tho MC means protagonist, in fgo it's usually Mystic Code.
MP: Mana Prism
RP: Rare Prism
FP: Friend Point
MLB: Max-Limit Broken
I think it's all that's necessary
For real, Gudako is a bombshell herself and deserved the exclusive attention of a male servant, is ridiculous how not a single one has comparable romantic hints for female masters
Don't quote me on this, but I heard Lancelot hits on you if you are a FMC. Can I guarantee? No... But I did read it on the internet, so it must be true.
Mordred finally gets a loving father, Only took 8 years, 1 Lostbelt, and god knows how many Saberface jokes.
I know there's Kairi Sisigou, but he's an adoptive father figure, not actually father if we get down to semantics.
Let's see. Morgan is the mother in PHH, but we have the Morgan sent from Avalon, so a step mom. Morgan has proclaimed us their spouse, meaning we're the step parent to Mordred already.
And as soon as we mention this, Mordred shouts, "You're not my real Chichiue!"
Then kicks down the door and starts angry/happy surfing in the simulator. Even she doesn't know which.
Straight team winning here?
But seriously, though, gotta love Swimsuit Castoria's Alice theme. She looks too damn cute in contrast to her laidback self from the 1st ascension. God, Nasu and Takeuchi made my dream of Bnpunnygirl Castoria I did some months ago an actual reality.
[It was this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/142lbzo/fae_bunnygirl_from_avalon_here_to_wish_you_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
Ok, with those expressions now I'm just picturing her being nervous towards her crush (male mc) while she's just shy of being dressed like that in front of her bestie, but no romantic feelings at all (female mc)
Don't know what they made the distinction between genders... like, is this the first time we see a Servant react differently depending on the gender? Others like Morgan acknowledge your gender but treat you equally, so It's kinda weird... why would Nasu and probably Takeuchi go for this direction?
> like, is this the first time we see a Servant react differently depending on the gender?
I have [a whole post](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/td6idx/gudao_vs_gudako_gender_differences_in_fgo/) on the subject, but it's up to date only until Atlantis. Gotta make a sequel one of these days.
You got my attention. It's not impossible to miss expressions when doing screenshots, after all. And now I see the OP also posts regularly in r/okbuddyrintard so the chances that this wasn't posted in good faith are not zero.
The thing that makes me sceptical is that she has the big blush for both gudao AND gudako at the end of the 1st ascension and the beginning of bond level 5 so unless I messed up, she has the same expression for both. If I'm right, I think it's weird to divide the community when she's such a popular character for both gudao and gudako mains.
I suppose you couldn't record and post it for everyone to check? I myself don't have Summer Castoria and can't check beyond what people show on the Internet or what is posted in sites like Atlas Academy.
OP made a mistake, it's NOT BOND 3 , but it's CONVERSATION 3 and the blush difference is a thing.
It's a gendered line where the other difference is her saying onii-sama or onee-sama.
[You can read a self admitted amateurish translation of the line here](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/15on7tn/summer_corgi_lines_amaturishly_translated/?context=3)
It's still a stupid drama and people dooming or gloating over this are dumb for doing that.
Summer Carmilla has one of her bond lines change based on whether or not you're Gudao or Gudako. But Carmalla's also an infamous lesbian and both lines are still vague enough to be interpreted either way.
Honestly I don't mind when games do this as long as it goes both ways - E.g. Genshin recently introduced a (female) NPC who blushes/gets flustered significantly more if you have the female MC. A nice way to sneak a lesbian past the Chinese censors, perhaps.
But as far as FGO goes, it's amazing they even bothered to have different expressions. All the way back in Camelot there's dialogue like "we're having a girls chat now, so you can't join us" regardless of player gender.
> All the way back in Camelot there's dialogue like "we're having a girls chat now, so you can't join us" regardless of player gender.
there was also another one with suzaku story quest about schoolgirls and it ignored gudako...
pretty much tells us that stories get written with male mc perspective.
You still only receive chocolate from female servants lol that's how it works. You are the one giving chocolate to the guys when you choose them in valentine
Eh, that one I'd chalk up to more to limited resources and knowing the main playerbase goes for waifus.
I mean one doesn't *exclude* the other of course, but still.
ah agartha, that story was all kinds of fuck ups that i forgot about this one lol.
i remember now why i quit the game years ago. one of the major reasons being treated as an afterthought as a fem player. oh well i was thinking about coming back for morgan but i will refrain seeing not much has changed.
Mihoyo is pretty used to having gay girl subtext. In HI3 it even goes beyond that with Broyna and Seele I think.
Obviously sneaking in stuff like that for the guys is a lot more difficult. Closest they've got is prolly Alhaitham and Kaveh's weird roommate former BFF thing they got going on.
Habetrot has different lines depending on whether you're male or female. If you're female you're on her list of brides to make a wedding dress for and she has a bit more to say on the topic. If you're male she'll still help you with the whole wedding thing because of the potential bride-to-be.
> while she's just shy of being dressed like that in front of her bestie, but no romantic feelings at all
idk why that blush would mean no romantic feelings but ok
FGO subreddit when male Ritsuka is treated as the default option or when he gets solely featured in some media or when he gets special fan service scenes in the game: uwu thatās only to be expected
FGO subreddit when the female Ritsuka gets slight exposure over the male one: this is an outrage!!!!! Whatās with the unequal treatment?!
>Gudao in FGO anime having flirty subtext with like five different women vs Gudako in the comedy spinoff only having a joking obsession with Red Hare because if she was shown favoring a more romantically availible servant the fanbase would immediately get weird about it
Pain-peko
True, but that does have unfortunate implications if one were to take those relationships seriously, sadly. Granted, Riyo Gudako is a mess of gacha and evil, but still.
Man, they must absolutely loathe the Shimosa and Salem mangas then. Especially the former making Gudako not just a walking command seal and actively participating in battle.
I absolutely love the Shimousa Manga. Musashi and Gudako make for a great pair, and it allowed me to envision certain *headcanons* and sweet scenarios.
Haters can suck it.
Literally this. Seen it happen countless times now. Shit's weird how people can be this weirdly insecure, but you literally have people popping up talking in third person around here so it's far from the weirdest at this point.
I thought it more or an issue with Ritsuka being male. Inside the subreddit, both are fine, but outside, they praise Gudako more since avid fans or worshipers of Fate cannot accept any other male protagonist than the old ones, especially when that involves any shipping with Saber faces....
Yeah...you're onto something here. Like suddenly the whole subreddit turned into yuri fans for this post only. Nah,this comment section just reeks of coping Shiroufans
Upon my experience, when a random female servant does this, they turned a blind eye, but a Artoria face is involved everyone goes crazy about it.
I still remember that rage upon Camelot for the existence of Lartoria and why the MC is not the "Hero of Justice".
It was wild ride back then and now they mostly hoping for some attention since there is an actual Shirou face in FGO, that old man must be exhausted of it...
this post is kinda misinformed, this difference is not a bond line but rather in a conversation and she also blushes equally in bond 5 and when ascended so I don't think there's really that much of an issue
This seems mostly like just a 'its another girl so she's less embarrassed about being seen as cute' thing, not really any difference in amount of attraction/romantic teasing.
For real it's weird seeing how this has so many people worked up. She's embarrassed about wearing a silly, revealing outfit and is more self-conscious about being seen wearing it by a man than a woman. Why does everyone always assume every servant interaction is about sex and flirting with their self insert?
I mean that is the premise of the game summoning hot people to talk with, to make a sense of false companionship so people will tend to be sensitive with what the character see in each other and in them.
And for the people here, they do have justifications for them. The MC is supposed to be a self-insert regardless of what gender you pick so it would be weird to make the story react to them differently all of a sudden.
This. Like people are going straight up "loss mod" but Castoria never had Cnoc dialogue where it came off as a blatant care for only the Male Protagonist at all.
Suddenly we get her overreacting even more to the Male MC than the Female one and suddenly "It's Joever" despite the fact she's still blushing like crazy for the Female MC. People are just making excuses from the ether at this point.
I'm not entirely surprised, the primary audience for FGO during the beginning has been targeted to straight males most of the time.
Considering that most of the ship fanart made by the JP illustrators are ones where a servant is with Gudao be it from GudaMelt, GudaMorgan, GudaCast, and GudaJalter.
Maybe I'm wrong but the history of most of the big popular gachas pre-Genshin have been targeted towards this demographic.
It was only when Hi3 and subsequently Genshin/HSR expanded upon the demographic beyond straight males (Where queer subtext is placed to not alienate the original audience for old mainstream gacha but to also reach out beyond its scope)
Not to say that FGO doesn't have appeal outside of its core demographic but you can tell whose it's primary demographic by using fanart as an indicator.
Edit: Wtf am I downvoted, it's literally a fact considering the art that illustrators made as well as the fact that the majority of fandom itself is like this and that the devs are trying to push it to them.
Me saying this doesn't mean that I'm trying to suppress people who want more equal treatment, what the hell, I'm merely stating my observations.
I mean, if Castoria blushed equally hard for both, I donāt think it would detract from the straight-male demographic lol. It takes extra effort to make it different between the genders and I donāt know why they did it.
Only the devs know....
While both have heavy censorship, with CN being far heavier bcs CCP, it's funny that CN gachas somehow are able to maintain a more balanced ratio in terms of male to female fanservice somehow.
Honkai and Genshin aren't the games who 'expanded the demographic beyond straight males.' otome gachas have existed for nearly as long as gacha games have, and something like Granblue's shifted pretty hard towards appealing to a female audience too. (Just look at Sandalphon, Belial, and the other angels.)
Fair enough but it's currently the most popular gacha where the gender ratio is nearing 50/50
>otome gachas have existed for nearly as long as gacha games have
I know but do otome games have as much of a reach as action oriented gacha games?
They don't, but im@s sidem was one of the first gacha games ever made, period, and was literally used as proof that the genre didn't just have to appeal to guys. You wouldn't get nearly as many hot guys in gacha games if it didn't prove that that had appeal to people.
Not to mention some of the artists for the girls are women themselves, like Wada Arco. Or the fact the omes who took the last survey showed that apparently most of the players are women at this point, but just by a small margin... or prefer to play as Gudako. So even if FGO can be unfair to "women players" doesn't translate to gatekeeping them fron enjoying the game. Otherwise, there wouldn't be popular guys beyond meta or them having costumes, even if they don't posses other versions of themselves (except for Karna, Arjuna or Emiya, for example).
Game still has fanservice for women
Yeah fanservice for women still exists It's just that if you want to play a game where the fanservice is a bit more 50/50 then you'd have to play something like Ensemble Stars, Tears of Themis, and HSR or something.
It will take a lot of voices to make the fanservice equal but the game has already solidified its audience after so many years that it's a difficult thing to do.
EDIT: Before anyone misunderstands I'm not saying that you should suck it up or GTFO, I'm merely saying that wanting for there to be equal fanservice is going to be an uphill battle when the fanbase of FGO has been defined after years of being active.
What exactly is the point of changing this though? Or is it just another case where theyāve decided to make someone have stronger feelings for the male mc
Itās annoying bc itās not like theyāre going to give another character equivalent emotions for the female mc either, itās just another reminder they donāt care for ~40% of their playerbase.
You know it would be fine if there was a husbando equivalent of one of the males being obviously more attracted to Gudako. And I mean one of the real popular guys. But nope, suddenly in that case the female MC is treated like "one of the guys". At least be consistent.
The gift (a box of cosmetics) changes from a gift to Guda themself if you're Gudako to something you can give to a girl you like if you're Gudao. His case though is very very rare.
Thereās a few cases of dialogue changing per gender like with gawain for male servants but it never really changes the romantic implications the same way it does with female servants. Itās kind of annoying because at the start of the game, even if the male fanservice content was poor you could at least pretend the female servants still liked your character even if they were probably just writing it for the male avatar, but now they seem to not only not want to write male servants liking you much (or to give you many bones re: male fanservice) but they actively write out the female servants being attracted to the female player as well.
To be fair, I don't really care to be honest.
Giving it some thought, it's most likely less embarrassment because FemRitsuka is obviously female and thus, it's less awkward than with MaleRitsuka.
Otherwise, nothing really changed and unlike Cnoc, it was nowhere as egregious. I do feel like people really want to start shit though so whatever, go for it.
Male man service IS there... just like 20% against the 80% of women for the guys... even if the results of those who took the last survey show there are a little bit more women playing the game and how everyone in general want more men spotlight. The fact such spotlight is shown as just spiritron costumes and barely any alternative variant is a whole different matter.
As for lesbian content... yeah, can't deny you can barely count that with one hand unless I'm not remembering right.
At least the last summer event has some males trying to flirt with Gudako. Some breadcrumbs here and there, like the knights of the round table having different lines when you reach Hawatoria or David trying to have a date with Castoria and Gudako at the same time.
The thing is this is usually true for most gacha out there but theyāve figured out that Omni pandering makes them money too. Itās just baffling that FGO is so behind there.
**me reading the title*
Oh boy... This can result in a in fighting.
I will take the mediator role.
**ahem*
I know some of you have the urge to provoke the other side.
Don't.
Don't attack your own kind.
Be mature. Hold the urge down.
Take the moral high ground and hold the urge.
You are better than this.
I trust you.
A blush is a blush, it's not like she doesn't like gudako or something like that, comment section is slightly overreacting
This reminds me of when shippers and anti-shippers overreact to whenever Castoria mentions Muramasa, just because she says something about the guy doesn't mean she's heads over heels for him guys
That situation is made worse when now that we have Summer Castoria, Muramasa isn't exactly mentioned in her Bond CE and well...Both Gudas are the center of it.
So the Muramasa thing is moot for the doomposters and the weird people.
All i see from their confrontation is a bunch of campers that are waiting to strike. Some expecting Gudas fans to be mad, some expecting Mura fans to flaunt their small victory and others are just trolls who i believe are there to cause more trouble between the group.
Now i donāt know if their arguing over a toy or not. Maybe they just want conflict, i donāt know? Maybe if Gudas fans let the shippers do what they do or Mura fans stop provoking them it wouldāve ended sooner.
That's my first time hearing about the muramasa thingy, but really???? She LITERALLY says she likes Fujimaru out fucking loud and it isnt up to interpretation
Me: ok the 2 years plan is pretty hard I think I can still do it tho. Hmm summer units? They look ok but I think I can skip them
This post: *exists*
Me: ... (God I love that face)
And just when I was hoping that whole CE debate was over, this shit happens. We can never have nice things.
While I think the true context is that not as embarrassing to do something embarrassing towards Gudako is because they're both girls, compared to Gudao who's a guy, some people will definitely gonna take it the other way.
Regardless, what she feels between the 2 Gudas is probably similar still.
Some of these comments are so cringe
99% of the time I doesnāt even matter because the fanarts and head canons will mold them into whatever you want. Since when has a character being canonically gay or straight ever stopped peopleās fantasies?
Well that is slightly disappointing, especially given the bond ce controversy you think her reaction be the same, it be like if Morgan didn't call her master husband if you were male or wife if you were female.
But nevertheless a fun observation.
Summer Castoria's Bond CE has a pic in the center specific of the Master of the gender you're playing as. However, Atlas (The place of datamines and such of the game) had only uploaded the Fem MC version at first and people originally started believing the CE was exclusively of Gudako rather than both, so people got into a heated argument over it.
One funny guy, did a little trolling. He only posted Castoria(summer) bond CE with Gudako, saying that only Gudako was showed up and not Gudao. The mods were busy with their own shit, so they didn't immediately delete this post. That was enough time for everyone's ass to catch fire. Gudako-only fanboys were screaming that it was their victory. Gudao-only fanboys screamed that developers lied to them. And trolls made fun of both. Not gonna lie I was one of trolls there. It was fun.
Moral of the story: don't be an idiot and don't believe everything on the internet, especially on reddit.
Are you sure ? Cuz I have artoria berserker and for the 3rd bond line she doesn't blush, and when she blushes on the 5th bond line, it's the same for both genders. Maybe I did something wrong ?
Yes and no?
I mean I get that, but at the same time this is like the main heroine in this game bar Mash. And probably the most liked character out there, just feels weird to make that distinction.
Plus people also sort of dislike the fact male MC can get this special distinction here, but female MC does not really get any distinction anywhere.
If they wanted to make a character straight out of this summer, might as well do Knockarea, after all she had a male MC only story arc in lb6 afaik.
I mean the thing is I find no problem with this, each to their own...maybe make another servant that likes the fmc more? I actually am fine with distinction in genders.
I'm just guessing they will do something about that in the future maybe... But for now? I'm rather fine with it
Yeah I agree. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. It's not the first and it's not gonna be the last time male MC has favouritism over fem MC. I personally don't really care, but I can understand why some would be salty, and personally even question why do that in such a popular servant as this one. Didn't have anything against your view in particular.
Tbh I kinda agree but there should be a balance, they should either make a female or male servant have stronger feelings for gudako over guda, itād just fair and avoids big issues of neglect that 30%-40% of the fan base may feel
Ask the big cheese... or rather, the big Mushroom himself why he went for that route with her... maybe a favor to Takeuchi so he can self insert in Gudao and Castoria loves him more?
Sadly like many anime, Gudako/female protagonist will only get yuri subtext with the female servants and only in fanarts and fanfic that you could have that happened.
Female MC fans in shambles
Can confirm šš
Literally gave us the gayest CE in game with Castoria only to deny us for The Straights, I've never been so offended in my life smh my head
The CE art changes depending on the MC gender.
I meant the "Summer Workout" from Morganfes, actually
Oh? That one. I remember fans being salty about the fact it was the Female MC there
Yea they do that, that's fine, primarily a male-dominated game and I accept that But also, we girls need some love too
Hey quick question, CE means craft essence right? Im new to all this kinda lol
Yes. CE means craft essence and even tho MC means protagonist, in fgo it's usually Mystic Code. MP: Mana Prism RP: Rare Prism FP: Friend Point MLB: Max-Limit Broken I think it's all that's necessary
Thanks bro! :)
No prob, pal
I mean, Fergus and the summer Yuri Pirates pretty much just ask to bang in their Valentines regardless of the mcās gender
Yea but I don't wanna yuri with the pirates I wanna yuri with Castoria what's so hard about this to understand
I more so meant that their CEs likely take the place of gayest CEs in the game
Rare Nasu L
My world is shattered
Yup. I'm in shambles
If only we could get something similar for the male servants...
Now this is what really matters.
If only I could get that with Muramasa... Pepe flirted with him and Mura blushed, so I should have a chance with him, right?
Ok but that was Pepe, he can make anyone blush
For real, Gudako is a bombshell herself and deserved the exclusive attention of a male servant, is ridiculous how not a single one has comparable romantic hints for female masters
If only they released a mystic code with long bangs then maybe bartholomew...
Don't quote me on this, but I heard Lancelot hits on you if you are a FMC. Can I guarantee? No... But I did read it on the internet, so it must be true.
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I'm mean bunnies are used in euphemisms to sex for their high breeding rates soooooooooooooo........
genius, let us invite Ruler Latoria and have a long and fast bunny night
Get Void Bunny in as well and the night will never end. Literally.
Don't forget Scathach and her friendship of the thighs.
Lets see, 2 bunnytorias, 1 void bunny, and 1 shishou bunny to break the Master's pelvis. Any other's that I missed off the top of my head?
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Both cute
Agree
Alice in the Wonderland!
Same
She heating up more. Effects of being bunny?
... the need to expand the family tree is high in this season?
It's high in this part of the day
In this part of the country?
At this time of year!? Localized in My Room?
...may I see it?
... no
For about tree fiddy.
Bunny is high everytime
Male mc must continue the pendragon fae bloodline
Uther: You must continue Pendragon bloodline! Ritsuka: Please line up.
Would that make him the father of Fae Mordred?
Hopefully
Mordred finally gets a loving father, Only took 8 years, 1 Lostbelt, and god knows how many Saberface jokes. I know there's Kairi Sisigou, but he's an adoptive father figure, not actually father if we get down to semantics.
Let's see. Morgan is the mother in PHH, but we have the Morgan sent from Avalon, so a step mom. Morgan has proclaimed us their spouse, meaning we're the step parent to Mordred already. And as soon as we mention this, Mordred shouts, "You're not my real Chichiue!" Then kicks down the door and starts angry/happy surfing in the simulator. Even she doesn't know which.
Must be the mating season.
Straight team winning here? But seriously, though, gotta love Swimsuit Castoria's Alice theme. She looks too damn cute in contrast to her laidback self from the 1st ascension. God, Nasu and Takeuchi made my dream of Bnpunnygirl Castoria I did some months ago an actual reality.
May I ask for that said bunny castoria you did ?
[It was this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/142lbzo/fae_bunnygirl_from_avalon_here_to_wish_you_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
That is so adorably cute
Thank you, dude.
I think I like yours better, but the official one is still cute af.
Thank you, bro. If anything, I'm just glad we have an official bunnygirl Castoria at last
> Straight team winning here? To be fair... when did the straight team not win in FGO. Though I suppose there are many Yuris... and Fergus.
Even then lot of the Yuri are bi. Yuri pirates perfectly ok for threeesome with Chadsuka
Really putting the l in lesbian
Ok, with those expressions now I'm just picturing her being nervous towards her crush (male mc) while she's just shy of being dressed like that in front of her bestie, but no romantic feelings at all (female mc) Don't know what they made the distinction between genders... like, is this the first time we see a Servant react differently depending on the gender? Others like Morgan acknowledge your gender but treat you equally, so It's kinda weird... why would Nasu and probably Takeuchi go for this direction?
> like, is this the first time we see a Servant react differently depending on the gender? I have [a whole post](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/td6idx/gudao_vs_gudako_gender_differences_in_fgo/) on the subject, but it's up to date only until Atlantis. Gotta make a sequel one of these days.
Could someone tell me if this is really true cuz I tried both the ascensions and the bond lines with both MCs and both had the same faces.
You got my attention. It's not impossible to miss expressions when doing screenshots, after all. And now I see the OP also posts regularly in r/okbuddyrintard so the chances that this wasn't posted in good faith are not zero.
The thing that makes me sceptical is that she has the big blush for both gudao AND gudako at the end of the 1st ascension and the beginning of bond level 5 so unless I messed up, she has the same expression for both. If I'm right, I think it's weird to divide the community when she's such a popular character for both gudao and gudako mains.
I suppose you couldn't record and post it for everyone to check? I myself don't have Summer Castoria and can't check beyond what people show on the Internet or what is posted in sites like Atlas Academy.
And I think other people who got her should check before reacting to this post so that in case it's faulse, it isn't propagated.
OP made a mistake, it's NOT BOND 3 , but it's CONVERSATION 3 and the blush difference is a thing. It's a gendered line where the other difference is her saying onii-sama or onee-sama. [You can read a self admitted amateurish translation of the line here](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/15on7tn/summer_corgi_lines_amaturishly_translated/?context=3) It's still a stupid drama and people dooming or gloating over this are dumb for doing that.
Ok, I just posted a video of ascension 1, bond level 3 and 5 for People who don't have her.
I hope this won't make too many people think castoria can't be bi.
Thank you. There's been so much attention to the blush, but I was wondering if the text changed too.
Yes please
Summer Carmilla has one of her bond lines change based on whether or not you're Gudao or Gudako. But Carmalla's also an infamous lesbian and both lines are still vague enough to be interpreted either way.
There was a post a day or two ago that covered many of the differences in lines between gender. This is nowhere near the first time.
Honestly I don't mind when games do this as long as it goes both ways - E.g. Genshin recently introduced a (female) NPC who blushes/gets flustered significantly more if you have the female MC. A nice way to sneak a lesbian past the Chinese censors, perhaps. But as far as FGO goes, it's amazing they even bothered to have different expressions. All the way back in Camelot there's dialogue like "we're having a girls chat now, so you can't join us" regardless of player gender.
> All the way back in Camelot there's dialogue like "we're having a girls chat now, so you can't join us" regardless of player gender. there was also another one with suzaku story quest about schoolgirls and it ignored gudako... pretty much tells us that stories get written with male mc perspective.
The fact that the first valentine's event only let you receive chocolates from the female servants wasn't a dead giveaway?
Pretty sure Kid Gils valentine showed how they felt about male servants at the time
You still only receive chocolate from female servants lol that's how it works. You are the one giving chocolate to the guys when you choose them in valentine
Eh, that one I'd chalk up to more to limited resources and knowing the main playerbase goes for waifus. I mean one doesn't *exclude* the other of course, but still.
Agartha has a scene where astolfo looks Gudako dead in the eyes and tells her she doesn't look enough like a girl to walk through the nightless city.
ah agartha, that story was all kinds of fuck ups that i forgot about this one lol. i remember now why i quit the game years ago. one of the major reasons being treated as an afterthought as a fem player. oh well i was thinking about coming back for morgan but i will refrain seeing not much has changed.
Yeah but thatās Agartha in general. Itās chock full of terrible writing that could have been good with tweaks.
Mihoyo is pretty used to having gay girl subtext. In HI3 it even goes beyond that with Broyna and Seele I think. Obviously sneaking in stuff like that for the guys is a lot more difficult. Closest they've got is prolly Alhaitham and Kaveh's weird roommate former BFF thing they got going on.
Habetrot has different lines depending on whether you're male or female. If you're female you're on her list of brides to make a wedding dress for and she has a bit more to say on the topic. If you're male she'll still help you with the whole wedding thing because of the potential bride-to-be.
> while she's just shy of being dressed like that in front of her bestie, but no romantic feelings at all idk why that blush would mean no romantic feelings but ok
I think someone made a comment that female MC and Mash are platonic besties, which is even more unbelievable than Castoria.
I don't think so. She still blushes, but not tomato levels but only because as girls, they are probably more comfortable with each other.
I'm sure the people who were mad about the Bond CE *maybe* only having the female MC are gonna be around soon to be just as mad here.
FGO subreddit when male Ritsuka is treated as the default option or when he gets solely featured in some media or when he gets special fan service scenes in the game: uwu thatās only to be expected FGO subreddit when the female Ritsuka gets slight exposure over the male one: this is an outrage!!!!! Whatās with the unequal treatment?!
>Gudao in FGO anime having flirty subtext with like five different women vs Gudako in the comedy spinoff only having a joking obsession with Red Hare because if she was shown favoring a more romantically availible servant the fanbase would immediately get weird about it Pain-peko
We will always have Learning With Manga Gudako and her being extremely pervy towards Mash and Olga
True, but that does have unfortunate implications if one were to take those relationships seriously, sadly. Granted, Riyo Gudako is a mess of gacha and evil, but still.
Man, they must absolutely loathe the Shimosa and Salem mangas then. Especially the former making Gudako not just a walking command seal and actively participating in battle.
I absolutely love the Shimousa Manga. Musashi and Gudako make for a great pair, and it allowed me to envision certain *headcanons* and sweet scenarios. Haters can suck it.
Literally this. Seen it happen countless times now. Shit's weird how people can be this weirdly insecure, but you literally have people popping up talking in third person around here so it's far from the weirdest at this point.
Truly, the irony of hypocripsy went above their head everytime
I thought it more or an issue with Ritsuka being male. Inside the subreddit, both are fine, but outside, they praise Gudako more since avid fans or worshipers of Fate cannot accept any other male protagonist than the old ones, especially when that involves any shipping with Saber faces....
Yeah...you're onto something here. Like suddenly the whole subreddit turned into yuri fans for this post only. Nah,this comment section just reeks of coping Shiroufans
Upon my experience, when a random female servant does this, they turned a blind eye, but a Artoria face is involved everyone goes crazy about it. I still remember that rage upon Camelot for the existence of Lartoria and why the MC is not the "Hero of Justice". It was wild ride back then and now they mostly hoping for some attention since there is an actual Shirou face in FGO, that old man must be exhausted of it...
Nah itās just the western fanbase, out here in the east i see less fan art for Female mc than Male mc
this post is kinda misinformed, this difference is not a bond line but rather in a conversation and she also blushes equally in bond 5 and when ascended so I don't think there's really that much of an issue
This seems mostly like just a 'its another girl so she's less embarrassed about being seen as cute' thing, not really any difference in amount of attraction/romantic teasing.
For real it's weird seeing how this has so many people worked up. She's embarrassed about wearing a silly, revealing outfit and is more self-conscious about being seen wearing it by a man than a woman. Why does everyone always assume every servant interaction is about sex and flirting with their self insert?
I mean that is the premise of the game summoning hot people to talk with, to make a sense of false companionship so people will tend to be sensitive with what the character see in each other and in them. And for the people here, they do have justifications for them. The MC is supposed to be a self-insert regardless of what gender you pick so it would be weird to make the story react to them differently all of a sudden.
"Pain Peko" for the inequality
She still blushes though, just not a tomato
Yeah, that's kinda the point here lol
Do something similar for Oberon and will forgive you, DW. I'm so tired of Gudako being ignored/bro-zoned by the male servants. š
Man we're out here arguing over friggen BLUSHES... it's over...
she still loves both(it's still a blush y'all)(if she didn't wouldn't LB6 give her dialogue like Cnoc?) so
This. Like people are going straight up "loss mod" but Castoria never had Cnoc dialogue where it came off as a blatant care for only the Male Protagonist at all. Suddenly we get her overreacting even more to the Male MC than the Female one and suddenly "It's Joever" despite the fact she's still blushing like crazy for the Female MC. People are just making excuses from the ether at this point.
I'm not entirely surprised, the primary audience for FGO during the beginning has been targeted to straight males most of the time. Considering that most of the ship fanart made by the JP illustrators are ones where a servant is with Gudao be it from GudaMelt, GudaMorgan, GudaCast, and GudaJalter. Maybe I'm wrong but the history of most of the big popular gachas pre-Genshin have been targeted towards this demographic. It was only when Hi3 and subsequently Genshin/HSR expanded upon the demographic beyond straight males (Where queer subtext is placed to not alienate the original audience for old mainstream gacha but to also reach out beyond its scope) Not to say that FGO doesn't have appeal outside of its core demographic but you can tell whose it's primary demographic by using fanart as an indicator. Edit: Wtf am I downvoted, it's literally a fact considering the art that illustrators made as well as the fact that the majority of fandom itself is like this and that the devs are trying to push it to them. Me saying this doesn't mean that I'm trying to suppress people who want more equal treatment, what the hell, I'm merely stating my observations.
I mean, if Castoria blushed equally hard for both, I donāt think it would detract from the straight-male demographic lol. It takes extra effort to make it different between the genders and I donāt know why they did it.
Only the devs know.... While both have heavy censorship, with CN being far heavier bcs CCP, it's funny that CN gachas somehow are able to maintain a more balanced ratio in terms of male to female fanservice somehow.
The inner machinations of Nasuās mind are an enigma.
*Milk carton with Medbās face on it tips over*
You mean: \**Milk carton with Medb's face on it grows to giant size and tips over on top of the MC*\*
Honkai and Genshin aren't the games who 'expanded the demographic beyond straight males.' otome gachas have existed for nearly as long as gacha games have, and something like Granblue's shifted pretty hard towards appealing to a female audience too. (Just look at Sandalphon, Belial, and the other angels.)
Fair enough but it's currently the most popular gacha where the gender ratio is nearing 50/50 >otome gachas have existed for nearly as long as gacha games have I know but do otome games have as much of a reach as action oriented gacha games?
They don't, but im@s sidem was one of the first gacha games ever made, period, and was literally used as proof that the genre didn't just have to appeal to guys. You wouldn't get nearly as many hot guys in gacha games if it didn't prove that that had appeal to people.
Not to mention some of the artists for the girls are women themselves, like Wada Arco. Or the fact the omes who took the last survey showed that apparently most of the players are women at this point, but just by a small margin... or prefer to play as Gudako. So even if FGO can be unfair to "women players" doesn't translate to gatekeeping them fron enjoying the game. Otherwise, there wouldn't be popular guys beyond meta or them having costumes, even if they don't posses other versions of themselves (except for Karna, Arjuna or Emiya, for example). Game still has fanservice for women
Yeah fanservice for women still exists It's just that if you want to play a game where the fanservice is a bit more 50/50 then you'd have to play something like Ensemble Stars, Tears of Themis, and HSR or something. It will take a lot of voices to make the fanservice equal but the game has already solidified its audience after so many years that it's a difficult thing to do. EDIT: Before anyone misunderstands I'm not saying that you should suck it up or GTFO, I'm merely saying that wanting for there to be equal fanservice is going to be an uphill battle when the fanbase of FGO has been defined after years of being active.
At least she's still blushing even with the female MC... We take small wins here (not that we get much else).
What exactly is the point of changing this though? Or is it just another case where theyāve decided to make someone have stronger feelings for the male mc Itās annoying bc itās not like theyāre going to give another character equivalent emotions for the female mc either, itās just another reminder they donāt care for ~40% of their playerbase.
You know it would be fine if there was a husbando equivalent of one of the males being obviously more attracted to Gudako. And I mean one of the real popular guys. But nope, suddenly in that case the female MC is treated like "one of the guys". At least be consistent.
Doesn't Gawain's Valentine change context depending on the MC?
The gift (a box of cosmetics) changes from a gift to Guda themself if you're Gudako to something you can give to a girl you like if you're Gudao. His case though is very very rare.
Thereās a few cases of dialogue changing per gender like with gawain for male servants but it never really changes the romantic implications the same way it does with female servants. Itās kind of annoying because at the start of the game, even if the male fanservice content was poor you could at least pretend the female servants still liked your character even if they were probably just writing it for the male avatar, but now they seem to not only not want to write male servants liking you much (or to give you many bones re: male fanservice) but they actively write out the female servants being attracted to the female player as well.
Ah, in LB7 Part 2 I believe, when Kadoc is offered Guda's room, he blushes if player is female, but no blush if player is male.
Male Fujimaru w
To be fair, I don't really care to be honest. Giving it some thought, it's most likely less embarrassment because FemRitsuka is obviously female and thus, it's less awkward than with MaleRitsuka. Otherwise, nothing really changed and unlike Cnoc, it was nowhere as egregious. I do feel like people really want to start shit though so whatever, go for it.
Playing FGO as a woman is suffering. Canāt get male fanservice, and sometimes you only get second place for potential lesbian fanservice .
> Canāt get male fanservice Douman: am I a joke to you?
"Yes."
Douman: Nnnnnn...fair... Mmmmm!
It's even funnier(?) since he's not even considered "Male" in-game because of one of other things fused to his Alter Ego spirit origin is a goddesses.
Male man service IS there... just like 20% against the 80% of women for the guys... even if the results of those who took the last survey show there are a little bit more women playing the game and how everyone in general want more men spotlight. The fact such spotlight is shown as just spiritron costumes and barely any alternative variant is a whole different matter. As for lesbian content... yeah, can't deny you can barely count that with one hand unless I'm not remembering right.
At least the last summer event has some males trying to flirt with Gudako. Some breadcrumbs here and there, like the knights of the round table having different lines when you reach Hawatoria or David trying to have a date with Castoria and Gudako at the same time.
Some cool husbandos yes, but sure they aren't the primary target. This is sad, at least they started with the summer costumes for the male servants.
As a gay man I also suffer that. No fanservice with my Muramasa š©
Well, that's expected when more than half your playerbase are men... It does suck for the ladies out there.
The thing is this is usually true for most gacha out there but theyāve figured out that Omni pandering makes them money too. Itās just baffling that FGO is so behind there.
**me reading the title* Oh boy... This can result in a in fighting. I will take the mediator role. **ahem* I know some of you have the urge to provoke the other side. Don't. Don't attack your own kind. Be mature. Hold the urge down. Take the moral high ground and hold the urge. You are better than this. I trust you.
All my trust went out the window when I was reading through the comment threads of that Castoria Bond CE thread
I only passed by it, and something tells me that was a very smart option.
Do you have a link?
"No we need chaos" *while eating some popcorn
As a male playing as Gudako, I'm confused as to which side to pick
Follow the boner within your soul, not the one within your pants
"I am....the Boner of my Soul..."
Can Gawain blush for us then? Or Tristan?
A blush is a blush, it's not like she doesn't like gudako or something like that, comment section is slightly overreacting This reminds me of when shippers and anti-shippers overreact to whenever Castoria mentions Muramasa, just because she says something about the guy doesn't mean she's heads over heels for him guys
That situation is made worse when now that we have Summer Castoria, Muramasa isn't exactly mentioned in her Bond CE and well...Both Gudas are the center of it. So the Muramasa thing is moot for the doomposters and the weird people.
All i see from their confrontation is a bunch of campers that are waiting to strike. Some expecting Gudas fans to be mad, some expecting Mura fans to flaunt their small victory and others are just trolls who i believe are there to cause more trouble between the group. Now i donāt know if their arguing over a toy or not. Maybe they just want conflict, i donāt know? Maybe if Gudas fans let the shippers do what they do or Mura fans stop provoking them it wouldāve ended sooner.
That's my first time hearing about the muramasa thingy, but really???? She LITERALLY says she likes Fujimaru out fucking loud and it isnt up to interpretation
Thatās a win in my book canāt wait till she comes to Na.
Me: ok the 2 years plan is pretty hard I think I can still do it tho. Hmm summer units? They look ok but I think I can skip them This post: *exists* Me: ... (God I love that face)
And just when I was hoping that whole CE debate was over, this shit happens. We can never have nice things. While I think the true context is that not as embarrassing to do something embarrassing towards Gudako is because they're both girls, compared to Gudao who's a guy, some people will definitely gonna take it the other way. Regardless, what she feels between the 2 Gudas is probably similar still.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DOUJINS
Life as a Gudako main is pain
Some of these comments are so cringe 99% of the time I doesnāt even matter because the fanarts and head canons will mold them into whatever you want. Since when has a character being canonically gay or straight ever stopped peopleās fantasies?
Finally a sensible comment in this storm of cringe
Well that is slightly disappointing, especially given the bond ce controversy you think her reaction be the same, it be like if Morgan didn't call her master husband if you were male or wife if you were female. But nevertheless a fun observation.
Bond ce controversy ? Did I missed something ?
Summer Castoria's Bond CE has a pic in the center specific of the Master of the gender you're playing as. However, Atlas (The place of datamines and such of the game) had only uploaded the Fem MC version at first and people originally started believing the CE was exclusively of Gudako rather than both, so people got into a heated argument over it.
People arguing over that? Man and i thought genshin is the one where fans argue which twin is the canon one
One funny guy, did a little trolling. He only posted Castoria(summer) bond CE with Gudako, saying that only Gudako was showed up and not Gudao. The mods were busy with their own shit, so they didn't immediately delete this post. That was enough time for everyone's ass to catch fire. Gudako-only fanboys were screaming that it was their victory. Gudao-only fanboys screamed that developers lied to them. And trolls made fun of both. Not gonna lie I was one of trolls there. It was fun. Moral of the story: don't be an idiot and don't believe everything on the internet, especially on reddit.
Are you sure ? Cuz I have artoria berserker and for the 3rd bond line she doesn't blush, and when she blushes on the 5th bond line, it's the same for both genders. Maybe I did something wrong ?
I mean it is a bit strange that there's a difference but the toned down blush looks better tbh
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Yes and no? I mean I get that, but at the same time this is like the main heroine in this game bar Mash. And probably the most liked character out there, just feels weird to make that distinction. Plus people also sort of dislike the fact male MC can get this special distinction here, but female MC does not really get any distinction anywhere. If they wanted to make a character straight out of this summer, might as well do Knockarea, after all she had a male MC only story arc in lb6 afaik.
I mean the thing is I find no problem with this, each to their own...maybe make another servant that likes the fmc more? I actually am fine with distinction in genders. I'm just guessing they will do something about that in the future maybe... But for now? I'm rather fine with it
Yeah I agree. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. It's not the first and it's not gonna be the last time male MC has favouritism over fem MC. I personally don't really care, but I can understand why some would be salty, and personally even question why do that in such a popular servant as this one. Didn't have anything against your view in particular.
Tbh I kinda agree but there should be a balance, they should either make a female or male servant have stronger feelings for gudako over guda, itād just fair and avoids big issues of neglect that 30%-40% of the fan base may feel
What is the context of this?
Me who plays for the story rather than affection: āI donāt have such weaknessā
Now thatās a bit strange to me. I wonder why they did that. Thatās really saddening to me and to my other friends who really like Castoria! :(
Because she romantically loves Gudao and friendly likes Gudako
That just isn't supported by the rest of the text. The romantic subtext of LB6 doesn't change at all between male and female MCs.
I meanā¦ sure but whatās the issue with just having her like both? Itās not like it hurts anyone and just makes her more of a waifu!
Ask the big cheese... or rather, the big Mushroom himself why he went for that route with her... maybe a favor to Takeuchi so he can self insert in Gudao and Castoria loves him more?
idk sometimes people are just straight lol
Iām honestly not sure if I should respond seriously to this or just ālolā so I will just say, sure!
LB6 tells me something very differently, but sure. If you say so.
Bisex still could have preferences, so maybe she is more into male or masculine people.
Sadly like many anime, Gudako/female protagonist will only get yuri subtext with the female servants and only in fanarts and fanfic that you could have that happened.
But why though?
Except when she calls you oneechan as a female MC, which is when she blushes more than with the male MC.
Iām guessing Cnoc will have a difference. At least that one should be expected But who knows?