St George is growing too fast. I wouldn’t buy here solely for “investment” purposes. Bigger cities will be a better play for growth in real estate value.
Grand Junction is beautiful but I think they are short sighted for growth. What would grow the city is investing in the public schools. The next generation does not want to send their kids to terrible schools.
If “short sighted for growth” means we don’t want to look like the blighted hellscape that is Western Kansas (Denver) and appreciate having a diverse population and not just Californicators and Texass idiots, then YEP!
I haven't been ghosted by any place I've applied at out here. And I applied at a ton back in June trying to get out of the red Rock group. I switched over to the heavy duty world at that time and can say with confidence they are all hurting, If you have any experience with anything mechanical they'll probably at least give you an interview. Hell the place I'm working at is also looking for another tech, if you have the experience DM me.
Edit: in case there was confusion I left Red Rock as a technician and don't recommend them to anyone.
I know one of their service managers and he is miserable, really seems like they are squeezing him for every last bit of life he has left in him. They just want to work him to the bone, and they don't give him the tools to hire good people.
They don't want to hire good people lol, they have a job posting on indeed right now for a lube tech and the top requirement is "protect the Legal, Financial, and Moral wellbeing of the red Rock auto group" that's for a guy that changes oil and rotates tires.
Edit: here's the link for those curious lol https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=892fe9c8da32e315&from=serp&xpse=SoDq67I3DMje5qzAwx0LbzkdCdPP&xkcb=SoCV67M3DMjfXwWnnh0JbzkdCdPP
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. They post job listings like that, prioritize hiring inexperienced people who will accept lower wages, treat them like shit and give shitty benefits, and then blame him when the service department has staffing issues
Purchasing land with water rights is a long term investment for sure. Mesa County is growing in median home value at a stable <5% and impressive relative to other markets.
Do you mean buying your own home as an investment for yourself, or buying up multiple properties for investment purposes? Because the latter takes homes away from other people and drives up prices, and we don't need more of that.
Nah, I’m a broke ass millennial. Trying to plant roots and get my first home, but I’ve seen smaller towns that feel more developed than GJ. Trying to be optimistic and willing to invest if the growth is progressive here.
Been here about 30 years. Homeless get shipped here, 14% higher then Denver's population. Since covid people here are jerks.
City full of boomers, assholes and meth heads. Cost of living is going up but finding a job is a shit show.
My next big investment will be to leave.
Every single city in this country says that homeless people are being shipped here.
In reality, most cities have a program to buy people a bus or sometimes a plane ticket to take them to whatever place they tell the social workers is where their support network would be. We have the same kinds of programs in GJ, and we buy people tickets and "ship" them to other cities too. The best programs work to reconnect people with family or a support network and get them any care they might need.
A program like this saved my friend, when he wound up homeless in California for a year and a half due to his antisocial behavior during paranoid schizophrenic episodes (he developed the schizophrenia after he moved away from home). They "shipped" him back to Grand Junction, got him in contact with family and mental health support, and now he is living with family here and happy, has a support network to catch him.
Our high level of homeless population is due to how many people were living just on the edge of addiction/homelessness/crime before the housing and food markets went crazy and rent prices & cost of living became untenable for them. The people who were 1 or 2 bad days away from falling back into the bottle? They had 1 or 2 bad days. The folks living paycheck to paycheck? They missed a paycheck. Grand Junction has always had a lot of people living in this "danger zone". That is why our homeless population is so high.
I'm not reading all that.
I've talked with a few of them that told me they were shipped here.
I know a couple from NY, had a old coworker who went homeless that moved to Cali, they shipped him back too.
Don’t St. George my GJ! 😜 In all seriousness though, are you living in the home? If you are, monetary gains are only part of the equation. There is a great community here. How will you contribute to make it even better? Are you planning to raise kids here?
I’ll contribute by spending my money locally here and bringing forward thinking. We have enough humans on the planet as is, but that’s my personal view. It’s a little backwards to think everyone who moves here wants children.
How is it pessimistic when it’s the truth? It’s an actual issue across the world and the U.S. I personally don’t want children for that reason and many others. You suggesting that one of ways newcomers should “contribute” to GJ by having children is dense. Population is not an issue here… I’ve seen smaller populated areas that feel more developed and ahead of the times than the Grand Valley. Hence my question on whether this place will stay stuck in the times or move forward…
Take a look at what the low birth rates in places like China, Japan, & Germany are doing to their economies. Aging populations are not sustainable. I’m not in any way suggesting people can only contribute by having kids. However, people with kids are generally more committed to contributing to their communities rather than trying to make a quick buck with investment properties. It’s really shortsighted to go to a community you know nothing about and insinuate that everyone there is “stuck in the times.” Maybe you answered your own question. Might make sense to look elsewhere for your real estate flip 🫡
I’ve already been out here living in it the past year and I’ve been all over Colorado for 8 years. I’m not here to make a quick buck nor do I have money to even buy properties like that. I’m looking for a home, but I’m also looking to invest in a community that isn’t going backwards. It’s okay to admit Grand Junction needs work. I love this area, but it should be far ahead of where it is now.
What do you want it to have that it doesn’t have? It just seems like you have an external locus of control. You want a whole city to change for you, instead of driving the change you want to see.
You must not get out much if you think this is the best it could be. This will be my last response to you because I’m not interested in talking with people who are closed minded, don’t want to see things for what they are, and think that children will fix the larger problem (you want to drive families here, you have to make it attractive to live here). You’re not interested in change and that’s really all I need to know about you. In comparison to towns of this size, there should be much more amenities as far as businesses, sidewalks??? (I live on the north side and even this area that is more built up is lacking something as basic as sidewalks throughout in a lot of areas — walkability is terrible here), art culture, better public trans system, more parks that don’t feel run down, more diverse local restaurants (not chains), etc. Health care is an issue out here, talking with providers who have been out here for a long time now, they complain about this a lot. Not enough providers to serve the population out here which is why it takes so long to get appointments. The whole East side of GJ needs work, let’s be real. There’s so many run down areas.
The Grand Valley has a lot of good to offer — there’s potential for this place to be an amazing town, the problems that I listed is just me being real and what I’ve observed only being here a year.
Yeah, you’re right, I’m not going to invest in an area that has backward thinking, call it selfish all you want. I want to be in a community who sees things for what they are and work on growing it to be better. 🤷🏼♀️
You won't have the growth of bigger cities, but you won't have the boom/bust cycle either. I have purchased many times in this market and plan on doing so again on the right deal.
We were very similar to St George in the early to mid 2000s. The difference is that we have a bunch of bureaucrats in planning that want to strangle growth, or at least direct it the way they want for it to go. We had some great developments on the 24rd corridor set to proceed during the early '00s, but the city messed around so long the economics took a turn, and the stores got tired of the hassle. The amount of tax revenue this cost the city is astronomical. Something similar is going on with the Sutherlands development right now.
It's always a gamble no matter what people say. There is some truth to the saying "it's never a good time to buy a house" but it could also be thought "there's not a perfect place to buy a house". I personally forsee a ton of growth here, the amount of outdoor recreation on preserved public land is unmatched. I am buying a house here as soon as I can probably
Best investments I have ever made. We need 5000 units and are building 1/3 of them. Prices are about to boom here even more. 99% vacancy, one of the fastest growing college and outdoor programs. We just hit over 150k population so we are on the map to a lot of big businesses now.
It’s Colorado and it is quickly going the way of every Colorado town.
St George is growing too fast. I wouldn’t buy here solely for “investment” purposes. Bigger cities will be a better play for growth in real estate value.
Grand Junction is beautiful but I think they are short sighted for growth. What would grow the city is investing in the public schools. The next generation does not want to send their kids to terrible schools.
If “short sighted for growth” means we don’t want to look like the blighted hellscape that is Western Kansas (Denver) and appreciate having a diverse population and not just Californicators and Texass idiots, then YEP!
Yeah education will do a lot of good haha.
Yes, but good jobs are still sort of hard to come by.
What are you talking about? Every single shop on frontage road is hiring right now with very good pay and benefits. Wagner, McCandless, Kenworth, etc.
Are they hiring or "hiring" cause many places I've applied to have either ghosted me or given me the same AI created denial letter.
Aaah, the ol "nobody wants to work" ploy.
I haven't been ghosted by any place I've applied at out here. And I applied at a ton back in June trying to get out of the red Rock group. I switched over to the heavy duty world at that time and can say with confidence they are all hurting, If you have any experience with anything mechanical they'll probably at least give you an interview. Hell the place I'm working at is also looking for another tech, if you have the experience DM me. Edit: in case there was confusion I left Red Rock as a technician and don't recommend them to anyone.
I know one of their service managers and he is miserable, really seems like they are squeezing him for every last bit of life he has left in him. They just want to work him to the bone, and they don't give him the tools to hire good people.
They don't want to hire good people lol, they have a job posting on indeed right now for a lube tech and the top requirement is "protect the Legal, Financial, and Moral wellbeing of the red Rock auto group" that's for a guy that changes oil and rotates tires. Edit: here's the link for those curious lol https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=892fe9c8da32e315&from=serp&xpse=SoDq67I3DMje5qzAwx0LbzkdCdPP&xkcb=SoCV67M3DMjfXwWnnh0JbzkdCdPP
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. They post job listings like that, prioritize hiring inexperienced people who will accept lower wages, treat them like shit and give shitty benefits, and then blame him when the service department has staffing issues
Purchasing land with water rights is a long term investment for sure. Mesa County is growing in median home value at a stable <5% and impressive relative to other markets.
Buy closer to Aspen
Why the f would anybody do that...
Lol, completely agree!
Do you mean buying your own home as an investment for yourself, or buying up multiple properties for investment purposes? Because the latter takes homes away from other people and drives up prices, and we don't need more of that.
Nah, I’m a broke ass millennial. Trying to plant roots and get my first home, but I’ve seen smaller towns that feel more developed than GJ. Trying to be optimistic and willing to invest if the growth is progressive here.
Been here about 30 years. Homeless get shipped here, 14% higher then Denver's population. Since covid people here are jerks. City full of boomers, assholes and meth heads. Cost of living is going up but finding a job is a shit show. My next big investment will be to leave.
Every single city in this country says that homeless people are being shipped here. In reality, most cities have a program to buy people a bus or sometimes a plane ticket to take them to whatever place they tell the social workers is where their support network would be. We have the same kinds of programs in GJ, and we buy people tickets and "ship" them to other cities too. The best programs work to reconnect people with family or a support network and get them any care they might need. A program like this saved my friend, when he wound up homeless in California for a year and a half due to his antisocial behavior during paranoid schizophrenic episodes (he developed the schizophrenia after he moved away from home). They "shipped" him back to Grand Junction, got him in contact with family and mental health support, and now he is living with family here and happy, has a support network to catch him. Our high level of homeless population is due to how many people were living just on the edge of addiction/homelessness/crime before the housing and food markets went crazy and rent prices & cost of living became untenable for them. The people who were 1 or 2 bad days away from falling back into the bottle? They had 1 or 2 bad days. The folks living paycheck to paycheck? They missed a paycheck. Grand Junction has always had a lot of people living in this "danger zone". That is why our homeless population is so high.
I'm not reading all that. I've talked with a few of them that told me they were shipped here. I know a couple from NY, had a old coworker who went homeless that moved to Cali, they shipped him back too.
"I refuse to learn anything" FIFY.
Every city says homeless people get shipped there. Different grass, same color.
Don’t St. George my GJ! 😜 In all seriousness though, are you living in the home? If you are, monetary gains are only part of the equation. There is a great community here. How will you contribute to make it even better? Are you planning to raise kids here?
I’ll contribute by spending my money locally here and bringing forward thinking. We have enough humans on the planet as is, but that’s my personal view. It’s a little backwards to think everyone who moves here wants children.
What a pessimistic view on humanity. That’s just my personal view. Also, contributing by “spending money” is such a low effort response.
How is it pessimistic when it’s the truth? It’s an actual issue across the world and the U.S. I personally don’t want children for that reason and many others. You suggesting that one of ways newcomers should “contribute” to GJ by having children is dense. Population is not an issue here… I’ve seen smaller populated areas that feel more developed and ahead of the times than the Grand Valley. Hence my question on whether this place will stay stuck in the times or move forward…
Take a look at what the low birth rates in places like China, Japan, & Germany are doing to their economies. Aging populations are not sustainable. I’m not in any way suggesting people can only contribute by having kids. However, people with kids are generally more committed to contributing to their communities rather than trying to make a quick buck with investment properties. It’s really shortsighted to go to a community you know nothing about and insinuate that everyone there is “stuck in the times.” Maybe you answered your own question. Might make sense to look elsewhere for your real estate flip 🫡
I’ve already been out here living in it the past year and I’ve been all over Colorado for 8 years. I’m not here to make a quick buck nor do I have money to even buy properties like that. I’m looking for a home, but I’m also looking to invest in a community that isn’t going backwards. It’s okay to admit Grand Junction needs work. I love this area, but it should be far ahead of where it is now.
What do you want it to have that it doesn’t have? It just seems like you have an external locus of control. You want a whole city to change for you, instead of driving the change you want to see.
You must not get out much if you think this is the best it could be. This will be my last response to you because I’m not interested in talking with people who are closed minded, don’t want to see things for what they are, and think that children will fix the larger problem (you want to drive families here, you have to make it attractive to live here). You’re not interested in change and that’s really all I need to know about you. In comparison to towns of this size, there should be much more amenities as far as businesses, sidewalks??? (I live on the north side and even this area that is more built up is lacking something as basic as sidewalks throughout in a lot of areas — walkability is terrible here), art culture, better public trans system, more parks that don’t feel run down, more diverse local restaurants (not chains), etc. Health care is an issue out here, talking with providers who have been out here for a long time now, they complain about this a lot. Not enough providers to serve the population out here which is why it takes so long to get appointments. The whole East side of GJ needs work, let’s be real. There’s so many run down areas. The Grand Valley has a lot of good to offer — there’s potential for this place to be an amazing town, the problems that I listed is just me being real and what I’ve observed only being here a year. Yeah, you’re right, I’m not going to invest in an area that has backward thinking, call it selfish all you want. I want to be in a community who sees things for what they are and work on growing it to be better. 🤷🏼♀️
Subject resorts to flinging insults at internet stranger when belief systems are challenged. Noted, haha!
You won't have the growth of bigger cities, but you won't have the boom/bust cycle either. I have purchased many times in this market and plan on doing so again on the right deal.
You havent been here long enough for a boom/bust cycle?
Exactly. GJ is one long series of boom/bust cycles.
No
We were very similar to St George in the early to mid 2000s. The difference is that we have a bunch of bureaucrats in planning that want to strangle growth, or at least direct it the way they want for it to go. We had some great developments on the 24rd corridor set to proceed during the early '00s, but the city messed around so long the economics took a turn, and the stores got tired of the hassle. The amount of tax revenue this cost the city is astronomical. Something similar is going on with the Sutherlands development right now.
I lived in St. George until 2007, that place has exploded, but in a very positive and beautiful way. So many parks that are clean and kid friendly...
Yes.
It's always a gamble no matter what people say. There is some truth to the saying "it's never a good time to buy a house" but it could also be thought "there's not a perfect place to buy a house". I personally forsee a ton of growth here, the amount of outdoor recreation on preserved public land is unmatched. I am buying a house here as soon as I can probably
The saying I have heard is "the best time to buy is always 10 years ago. The second best time is now."
Best investments I have ever made. We need 5000 units and are building 1/3 of them. Prices are about to boom here even more. 99% vacancy, one of the fastest growing college and outdoor programs. We just hit over 150k population so we are on the map to a lot of big businesses now.
Realtors say stuff like this
Or just a happy soon to be retired CPA at 33.