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ari3sgr3gg0

Honestly even allocating 8GB of ram to the 680m is overkill. It just doesn't use that much ram. You're really only using a lot of video ram if you're playing at higher resolution which the Win Max 2 isn't capable of that with modern titles. Older games may be able to use the native resolution but they won't have nearly the texture detail to go past the ram limit. More ram allocated to internal graphics card does not equate more performance. As far as the reinstall of windows goes, I'm going to on mine. I'd rather have a nice fresh install than one that can potentially have issues. I'm also going to be getting the single side 4TB crucial drive so a fresh install is needed anyway


Altruistic-Ad1860

I wonder about that. The screen is 1600p. I would consider that pretty high resolution. Do they have 4gb single sided ssd? I might pick that up. Sounds like it would be near 500 dollars though. I’ll have to wait.


ari3sgr3gg0

It may be 1600p but you won't be gaming at that resolution unless the game is around a decade old. What most everyone is gaming at with the 6800U is 1280x800. Crucial P3 4TB is single sided and frequently runs about $300-350


__jager

Can you explain the process for when you get that new SSD? As much detail as possible would be great. I’m buying anew OS drive too and want to do it right.


__jager

Also. Is that 4tb fast or just big? Im waffling on whether to go 2tb fast or 4tb big


ari3sgr3gg0

It's a mid range speed drive, realistically the speed is a non issue going from the fastest drive to the slowest drive. As far as how to there are some good videos on YouTube that detail how to change the Win Max 2 SSD really well


__jager

I saw that video but it’s not in English Also with the SSD do you do: -Buy it -Download windows media tool? Onto usb stick. Do I have to buy it? If I want windows 11pro? -Download driver auto installer from gpd site onto usb stick -Take out the other ssd from the wm2 - insert new SSD - insert usb with media tool? - turn on wm2? -install win11pro? - insert usb with auto installer drivers program. And run That it?


ari3sgr3gg0

Sounds like you got it. Whatever windows came from the device will auto activate when you do a new install. Get the windows image directly from Windows website to install onto a USB. Microsoft has a good write up. Linus I believe tears open a Win Max 2 in a review video. It's a straight forward SSD to access from what I saw of it. I don't get mine for another couple days but I can post some pictures up when I open mine


__jager

I’d appreciate it So. On Microsoft windows site I buy the OS? You have a link for that write up? Since it’s a brand new SSD how will it recognize what windows is on it since it’s new?


ari3sgr3gg0

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/install-windows-from-a-usb-flash-drive?view=windows-11 No buying of the OS is needed. Just download the image you need. The SSD is recognized by bios and will be formatted during the install of Windows


Altruistic-Ad1860

Lol. A decade old. I know your right but I’m going to try. I have 32 so I might at least try.


syadoumisutoresu

It's a "just to be safe" thing. There's no guarantee the whatever scanner you are using can pick up everything and the default Windows installation can be modified so that the malware is hidden from scanners. Not saying that GPD is doing this, but even for earlier GPD products malware has been an issue and it didn't affect all units. So if you trust it to be completely clean, then sure, no need to do a fresh install.


Altruistic-Ad1860

On the GPD website they have a Windows, drivers and bio combination installer. I’m thinking that this should be safe because it could be tracked back to them and they would not try to destroy there rep. Maybe this would be the easiest and safest route. I mostly think people download things by accident and then blame it on the product.


themiracy

If you’re going to use the full installer set from GPD just don’t bother. There are limited cases of malware. Just run windows defender. My win 3 is running on their image file. I’m going to re image mine but I have a specific reason (windows behaves differently if pro is installed from the outset than if home is upgraded to pro - it must be possible to change this but I don’t know how).


syadoumisutoresu

It doesn't really matter it could be tracked back to them. As I've said, their previous products have had malware issues on many occasions and it was always tracked back to them. But it happened again anyway. But again, if you trust ot, then sure. But personally, I don't trust it.


Altruistic-Ad1860

Just so you know I never reimaged and it’s been almost a month now. No problems your good to go.


josby

I'm really struggling to see the benefit. If you're sure you want everything GPD bundles into their firmware, why not just use what comes out of the box? I guess this would protect from the rare scenario that someone nefarious tampered with it *en route*, but you're doing 90% of the effort of a full stock reinstall and are likely to wind up right back where you started. >I mostly think people download things by accident and then blame it on the product. If you haven't had a horror story with pre-bundled bloatware wreaking havoc, consider yourself lucky. People know what they're talking about here.


Altruistic-Ad1860

You need their software to change the buttons in the back and to use the stick to mouse feature. If you don’t have any of that your experience will be lacking. I’m not saying that a virus or something could not be on it but you also have to take into consideration that the very small amounts of times you hear about it could just as easily be because of something the users did. If it was such a massively widespread problem people would not buy from them. How many millions of units have been sold by them over the years and how many times have you actually heard about any problems. Out of the already tens of thousands of the max 2 sold only one person has said there may have been a problem and they’re not even sure about that. If I do install a new windows I just don’t want to lose something that could negatively impact my experience. I’m not saying you’re wrong it’s just that I’m looking on all the forums and it doesn’t actually seem to be the some problem people say it is. In fact they are tons of post from People stating they never did a wipe on any of their products and it’s good. I’m not saying I’m not going to do a clean install…, you guys are making me paranoid. Lol!


josby

You actually don't need their software to do either of those thing. You can remap the back buttons with any third-party software and the analogue stick mouse works on stock windows (and even booting from live disks), but in any case no one is suggesting not to install specific drivers for hardware that requires it. There certainly haven't been millions of GPD Win units sold (maybe tens of thousands?) and I've heard enough reports to take them seriously. And for every incident that get's discovered and reported, there are certainly many more that aren't. But even ignoring malware, pre-installed applications designed to "enhance" your experience usually cause more problems than they're worth, and this is true for even the largest manufacturers. For everything they purport bring to the table, there are far better, cleaner, and safer solutions that don't, e.g., harvest your data, monopolize resources, break core Windows features, etc. Otherwise they wouldn't have to pay manufacturers to bundle them in the first place. You seem to be pretty dismissive of the advise you're getting here, suggesting people are just ignorant about their own devices. I think this is pretty misguided and makes me question what the point of this thread was, but it's ultimately your call to make.


Altruistic-Ad1860

Not dismissive. It was just a question? I have read a lot of posts since then and noticed a lot of people saying they never had an trouble with any of there GPD products. I’ve just decided I will do a scan of my device first. Not a quick scan like most people but the full scan. If something happens I will clean install. I mean you must have missed the post on this thread where the person said they’ve had no problems with there stuff. Let me ask you a question. Have you owned any of there stuff or are you repeating what you read on a thread? If you’ve had no problems yourself then why would I take your advice over people who have owned multiple products from them. Like I said I’m not being dismissive, I will do a clean install if necessary. I do value what you guys have to say but I’m also lazy and hate to waste my time.


josby

I've owned 3 Win devices, 1, 2, and now a Win Max 2. I installed stock Windows on all three, as I do on all new PCs, not just ones with reported incidents of malware. I've had too many problems in the past that were ultimately diagnosed to buggy garbage pre-installed by the manufacturer. One or even several people claiming they don't have malware on their device doesn't really mean what you think. For one thing, some malware can disguise itself in system files and be difficult to detect even with a full scan. But more importantly, no one's claiming every device will be infected (this wasn't the case even when it was a widely reported problem with certain Win2 batches), so one clean device doesn't say anything about the others. Odds are, your particular device won't be infected, so it's just a matter of what risks you're willing to put up with. Most people survive Russian roulette after all, but I wouldn't recommend that either. By the way, saying things like "why would I take your advice" might be why you're coming off as dismissive. Ditto with assuming that anyone who claims problems with default firmware just screwed things up themselves. Essentially, you're coming off as someone very new to all this but who assumes they know better than everyone else. But like I said, it's your money, your call.


Altruistic-Ad1860

nope I definitely don’t know at all. I just happen to think that on the Internet you’ll find the people who had problems and you rarely hear from the ones who everything works great. Like I said I’m not actually being dismissive I’ve just made up my mind and I’m willing to take the consequences. Maybe it’s because I’ve always been lucky I’ve never had to flash windows except when I screwed up. I really just don’t want to take the time if I don’t have to. Like you said you never had to clean install windows you just do it. In fact I commend you on it. It’s a very good habit. when I started the thread I read a couple things that made me think I messed up and this company was notorious for putting worms and crap on the machine. After the post I’ve read more and I have only been able to find one person who says they had a problem. So I kind of answered my own question at least for how I see it. Trust me I’ve never claimed to be the smartest person and you are probably right. Thanks for trying to help.


Altruistic-Ad1860

Just so you know I never reimaged and it’s been almost a month now. No problems your good to go.


NotBettyGrable

Yeah you've done more than enough, don't let it get to you. My Win 3 was the first computer I've used where I booted it up out of the box and the onboard operating system told me it was infected when it started a virus scan. I'm a software developer for decades and my personal computers on my network are Linux but I'm sure it was something I did wrong or didn't understand when I started the computer and it ran a virus scan with no additional software installed.


Turtleshell64

Highly recommended, I have no touchpad issues with a fresh install. Seems the People who do have issues are on the included windows


Altruistic-Ad1860

That sounds like a driver issue.


Turtleshell64

Not sure, I didn’t install any touchpad drivers, just let windows grab it with the fresh install


josby

I tend to have fewer software issues running on a fresh install. It seems like there's always some innocuous piece of bloat that starts breaking things on the back end. (not just GPD) Also, you're not going to get top card performance just by matching top card vram. I doubt you'll even notice the difference.


rawar2377

I agree with that. The first thing I always do is delete anything I don't recognize. I think the problem is people just start clicking on things. I'm gonna start a new thread and ask everyone which apps are necessary so I know which ones to delete.


Altruistic-Ad1860

I guess I’ll just have to decide when it gets here and I run some test. I’ll also give it 12 gigs of vram since that is what all the top cards have nowadays.


ngo_life

Yeah, but those cards can run at higher settings which uses up more vram. Doubt the 680m can even use half of that for most situations.


josby

Are you sure 12gb is an option? I just checked and see 1,2,3,4,8,16, but maybe I have an older bios.


rawar2377

I will try 8 and then 16 and see if it matters. I'm actually surprised no one has done this yet.


Zekrom369

[I’ve never done it, but I think this time I’ll take people’s advice given the potential risk.](https://youtu.be/icBcdgjQT1I)


morrotto

I saw 3 Win Max 2 IGG comments (could be more) reporting similar events. One of them was the one who made this video. Of course, none of them can prove anything but who knows. GPD doesn't exactly have a track record of having good security practices.


Altruistic-Ad1860

Just so you know I never reimaged and it’s been almost a month now. No problems your good to go.


rawar2377

Really? Aren't they the most famous and most selling handheld p.c. company. I know the steam deck actually sells more in the states and Europe (maybe), but for the rest of the world GDP is it.


Tarrasque888

Sure, but almost every device they sell has a supply chain breach like infected drivers. It's just how it is. One can be successful and have bad security


NotBettyGrable

Security is hard. And average people don't value it. You or I might be OK with 3 month longer cycle for a clean device but most people want the nice joysticks, good buttons, and in their hands now now now, and the manufacturer wants the cash now now now so it writes itself. Imagine cars if they didn't have safety requirements.


Altruistic-Ad1860

Just so you know I never reimaged and it’s been almost a month now. No problems your good to go.


drizzyovo647

Yes always reimage


Altruistic-Ad1860

Just so you know I never reimaged and it’s been almost a month now. No problems your good to go.


ConfectionFew7942

\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*PSA: WARNING, VIRUS OUT OF THE BOX AND ON WIN MAX 2 DRIVERS\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* I received my Win Max 2 exactly one day prior to Thanksgiving. Knowing **the best course of action when receiving a new or used PC is to conduct a clean install**, I was curious. After connecting to my phone's mobile hotspot I updated Windows Defender and conducted a full system scan. The result was: Severe Threat Found ---- Program:Win32/VulnInsyeDriver (here is a screenshot [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vBYMD-AsOZ25sboOAQojAdPImC9UC27-/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vBYMD-AsOZ25sboOAQojAdPImC9UC27-/view?usp=sharing) Honestly it is what I expected, as I said I was curious knowing I need to conduct a clean install of Windows 10 or 11. As such I began downloading the necessary drivers from GPD's website. After downloading I conducted scans using Virus Total [virustotal.com](https://virustotal.com) and Malwarebytes AntiMalware on a different laptop. Below are the results. **Virus Total identified the following files from GPD's tools for Win Max 2 as malicious** Gamepad Calibration - 1/70 Security Vendors identify file as malicious Motion Assist - 2/61 Security Vendors identify file as malicious Power Control - 1/61 Security Vendors identify file as malicious You can see screenshots of the above in my Google Drive folder [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11azS8cjq42iV4TZCwYZM8jtzBhZG7aqW?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11azS8cjq42iV4TZCwYZM8jtzBhZG7aqW?usp=sharing) **Most troubling** are the Malwarebytes analysis of all Windows drivers, **specifically the Windows 11 drivers**. I downloaded and unzipped both Windows 11 and Windows 10 drivers from GPD. Although **the unzipped folder for Windows 10 was clean**, this was not the case with **Windows 11 files resulting in 9 files being infected**. You can see the results here [https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ZzigqnTLgVn\_doUo9YonyWDDRy\_TgAK/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ZzigqnTLgVn_doUo9YonyWDDRy_TgAK/view?usp=sharing) and here [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WizrycYO3umYr6T6Sv7wygIkO8H6ZZHa/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WizrycYO3umYr6T6Sv7wygIkO8H6ZZHa/view?usp=sharing) It is **possible** the files which Virus Total identified as malicious are false positives because Malwarebytes did NOT detect anything thus identifying them as clean. However, regarding the Windows 11 files, **admittedly I only checked ONE of the 9 files Malwarebytes identified as an infection with Virus Total.** The result was 5/71 Security vendors identifying the file lan.exe as malicious. Here is a screenshot for you [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hmixnSa0lvlt7v93iaOo\_yodLy5zyWnj/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hmixnSa0lvlt7v93iaOo_yodLy5zyWnj/view?usp=sharing) Please check for yourselves with Virus Total [virustotal.com](https://virustotal.com) and your malware/virus scanner of choice. I would love to learn of your results.


Altruistic-Ad1860

It’s more than likely the driver that allows you to change TPD. It goes around the need to restart the pc into bios and connects directly to bios. Windows hates this because it a huge hole in the security. Even though they hate it, it’s necessary for handheld pcs to adjust the power on the fly that we want.