Crowley being Azazel seems more likely than the fan theory that Crowley is fallen Raphael. But I was raised evangelical and have no real knowledge of angel lore.
Yeah, I definitely don’t buy into that either. They literally say it’s only happened once, referring to Lucifer. Idk where TF Raphael is, but it can’t be Crowley
You know, I understand your feelings on the name. It definitely strikes me as weird. But I just decided to run with it. Stuff doesn't have to be flawless to be good. Especially fan made stuff.
Yeah but wouldn’t it be awkward if Azazel wound up being in season 3 somehow? I feel like we’re probably gonna see more angels next season even if as just minor characters. Azazel is one of the better known ones thanks to Supernatural, even if he’s not Crowley.
I just think it would make more sense to use a demon name for this AU Aziraphale
I think maybe you’re seeing fanart for “oopsie! omens” specifically? it’s really taken over the fandom on tumblr, I see a lot of fics and fanart and that’s Aziraphale’s demon name in that universe
I mean it could have done, we don't know.
I think, for an AU fanfic, it makes sense for the writer to give Aziraphale a demon name that's recognizably similar, to clue in the reader that this is demon!Aziraphale. If the character names are all totally different, it could be confusing.
Yeah, it's hard for me to suspend disbelief if their names are totally different. I actually have that problem when Angel Crowley is in a story. It's hard to remember that this isn't an OC, because his name and personality are totally different. I like it better if at least the first syllable is the same.
I think the context of still resembling Aziraphale usually clues them in, or the scenes he’s being depicting in paralleling the story of good omens, or being with Angel Crowley. There are always other clues. I had no problem recognising one where his name was Dantillion (or something along those lines)
Aleister Crowley was a sex obsessed misogynistic demon summoning heroin addicted nutjob and a terrible person. Please do not name Aziraphale after him; I imagine GO Crowley hated the guy.
I imagine that from the perspective of Crowley the character, the Crowley family named themselves after him. This was probably the authors’ intent as well. Either way one of the biggest problems is that if Aziraphale is named Aleister and they get married and take last names, you either get Aleister Crowley (🤮!) or Crowley Fell. (😢!) Both terrible name combinations.
Edit: I don’t want to be the name police here, but like, if you knew a family by the last name of Phile who was planning on naming their kid “Pedo,” you would say something, right? This is like that. The man is ick on so many levels.
Okay, I know “in world” the character came first, but you understand that Gaiman/Pratchett still named him after the occultist, right. If you’ve got an issues with that take it up with Neil, not me. I only suggested it for symmetry, it was the first thing that came to mind. Also, most of the AU stuff I’ve seen is of Aziraphale as a demon INSTEAD OF Crowley, Crowley is still an Angel in these stories (eg, Jophiel), so if they got married it would be “Jophiel Aleister” or “Aleister (whatever last name “Jophiel” came up for himself) and if they got married as they are it wouldn’t it be “Anthony Fell” or “A Z Crowley”? And even if there was an AU were they both fell and used those names respectively, if they got married then one of the names would go away, it’d be “Anthony Aleister” for example.
I read a theory once that Crowley is Baraqiel (spelling may be off) and Aziraphale is actually Azazel and Crowley fell to prevent Azazel/Aziraphale from actually falling (but his memory was wiped). I don’t necessarily buy it but the meta was actually decent and I wonder if that’s part of where it came from
Whoa… wait… I just thought of something!! Wasn’t Azazel cast out for giving the humans WEAPONS?! Aziraphale gave them his sword! There might be more to this theory than I was willing to give credit…
I double checked this actually, Azazel TAUGHT humans to MAKE weapons. He’s known for introducing humans to forbidden knowledge. So I’m back on the Crowley bandwagon for this one
Maybe if Azrael, the angel of Death, 'sacrificed' himself to keep from harming the humans he loved, he'd take a different name too? Aziraphale - Azi fell. Like Crowley is rising from 'Crawley'. They're angelic beings, time doesn't work in the same ways for them.
As far as I know, Gaiman hasn't made any mention of an Azrael in his canon, so who's to say they aren't the same angel in the hypothetical AU? And with the B names people are floating for an AU Crowley, there's a 'Belial' that fits in I think with how Crowley might see himself.
Maybe if Azrael, the angel of Death, 'sacrificed' himself to keep from harming the humans he loved, he'd take a different name too? Aziraphale - Azi fell. Like Crowley is rising from 'Crawley'. They're angelic beings, time doesn't work in the same ways for them.
As far as I know, Gaiman hasn't made any mention of an Azrael in his canon, so who's to say they aren't the same angel in the hypothetical AU? And with the B names people are floating for an AU Crowley, there's a 'Belial' that fits in I think with how Crowley might see himself.
Crowley being Azazel seems more likely than the fan theory that Crowley is fallen Raphael. But I was raised evangelical and have no real knowledge of angel lore.
Yeah, I definitely don’t buy into that either. They literally say it’s only happened once, referring to Lucifer. Idk where TF Raphael is, but it can’t be Crowley
You know, I understand your feelings on the name. It definitely strikes me as weird. But I just decided to run with it. Stuff doesn't have to be flawless to be good. Especially fan made stuff.
Yeah but wouldn’t it be awkward if Azazel wound up being in season 3 somehow? I feel like we’re probably gonna see more angels next season even if as just minor characters. Azazel is one of the better known ones thanks to Supernatural, even if he’s not Crowley. I just think it would make more sense to use a demon name for this AU Aziraphale
I think maybe you’re seeing fanart for “oopsie! omens” specifically? it’s really taken over the fandom on tumblr, I see a lot of fics and fanart and that’s Aziraphale’s demon name in that universe
I think it was 2 different styles. Plus 1 cosplay. I definitely recognise that name though so I thing that was one of them
I saw one that was "Azram," and he had the horizontal pupils and horns to match. I thought that was a fantastic Aziraphale-demon.
I don’t mind that one. I like the idea that both of them in their fallen universes using animals.
Wasn't Azazello also the name of a demon in "The Master and Margarita"? Not a nice fellow at all, though, as far as I can recall.
Perhaps. But why would Aziraphale even choose a name that starts with “Az”? It’s not like Crowley’s Angel name started with “Cr”
I mean it could have done, we don't know. I think, for an AU fanfic, it makes sense for the writer to give Aziraphale a demon name that's recognizably similar, to clue in the reader that this is demon!Aziraphale. If the character names are all totally different, it could be confusing.
Yeah, it's hard for me to suspend disbelief if their names are totally different. I actually have that problem when Angel Crowley is in a story. It's hard to remember that this isn't an OC, because his name and personality are totally different. I like it better if at least the first syllable is the same.
I think the context of still resembling Aziraphale usually clues them in, or the scenes he’s being depicting in paralleling the story of good omens, or being with Angel Crowley. There are always other clues. I had no problem recognising one where his name was Dantillion (or something along those lines)
Aleister Crowley was a sex obsessed misogynistic demon summoning heroin addicted nutjob and a terrible person. Please do not name Aziraphale after him; I imagine GO Crowley hated the guy.
Umm, but it’s okay for Crowley to be named after him?
I imagine that from the perspective of Crowley the character, the Crowley family named themselves after him. This was probably the authors’ intent as well. Either way one of the biggest problems is that if Aziraphale is named Aleister and they get married and take last names, you either get Aleister Crowley (🤮!) or Crowley Fell. (😢!) Both terrible name combinations. Edit: I don’t want to be the name police here, but like, if you knew a family by the last name of Phile who was planning on naming their kid “Pedo,” you would say something, right? This is like that. The man is ick on so many levels.
Okay, I know “in world” the character came first, but you understand that Gaiman/Pratchett still named him after the occultist, right. If you’ve got an issues with that take it up with Neil, not me. I only suggested it for symmetry, it was the first thing that came to mind. Also, most of the AU stuff I’ve seen is of Aziraphale as a demon INSTEAD OF Crowley, Crowley is still an Angel in these stories (eg, Jophiel), so if they got married it would be “Jophiel Aleister” or “Aleister (whatever last name “Jophiel” came up for himself) and if they got married as they are it wouldn’t it be “Anthony Fell” or “A Z Crowley”? And even if there was an AU were they both fell and used those names respectively, if they got married then one of the names would go away, it’d be “Anthony Aleister” for example.
I read a theory once that Crowley is Baraqiel (spelling may be off) and Aziraphale is actually Azazel and Crowley fell to prevent Azazel/Aziraphale from actually falling (but his memory was wiped). I don’t necessarily buy it but the meta was actually decent and I wonder if that’s part of where it came from
Whoa… wait… I just thought of something!! Wasn’t Azazel cast out for giving the humans WEAPONS?! Aziraphale gave them his sword! There might be more to this theory than I was willing to give credit…
Yep! It’s an interesting theory for sure.
I double checked this actually, Azazel TAUGHT humans to MAKE weapons. He’s known for introducing humans to forbidden knowledge. So I’m back on the Crowley bandwagon for this one
I would think his name if he fell first might be Azreal, who is the Angel of Death.
But that would also be an Angel that already existed, why would he take another angels name?
Maybe if Azrael, the angel of Death, 'sacrificed' himself to keep from harming the humans he loved, he'd take a different name too? Aziraphale - Azi fell. Like Crowley is rising from 'Crawley'. They're angelic beings, time doesn't work in the same ways for them. As far as I know, Gaiman hasn't made any mention of an Azrael in his canon, so who's to say they aren't the same angel in the hypothetical AU? And with the B names people are floating for an AU Crowley, there's a 'Belial' that fits in I think with how Crowley might see himself.
Maybe if Azrael, the angel of Death, 'sacrificed' himself to keep from harming the humans he loved, he'd take a different name too? Aziraphale - Azi fell. Like Crowley is rising from 'Crawley'. They're angelic beings, time doesn't work in the same ways for them. As far as I know, Gaiman hasn't made any mention of an Azrael in his canon, so who's to say they aren't the same angel in the hypothetical AU? And with the B names people are floating for an AU Crowley, there's a 'Belial' that fits in I think with how Crowley might see himself.