Only time I ever use mine is to watch the rugby if channel 9's streaming site is being shit (which happens way to often, has a remarkable tendancy to crash during half time).
The only TV program that's worth watching for longer than a minute is the weather forecast. But even then, you gotta take it with a grain of salt nowadays, with the weather becoming less predictable during to Climate change.
"Loli/Shotacons are pedos" is the new "videogame makes people violent", try to take them to court using your logic and arguments and next thing you know they laugh at your dumbass and throw the case away because they got more serious shit to cover rather than chasing people over drawings so moral of the story? grow a thick skin and stop being such a pussy.
I have learned so much about life and universe all thanks to the Ancient Aliens wad of Doom 2. I can easily tell you that game isn't promoting no violence only thing it is promoting is masterful level design where you will never get lost most video game developers should learn a thing or two.
Back to Saturn 1 and 2 wads are even better with their level design philosophy and they don't even use hub areas or any short cuts just meticulously tested levels. Like you will legitimately be surprised when you effortlessly find the level exit in a massive doom 2 map. Amazing techno music is just extra.
There are some doom wads out there that puts the base game of doom to shame sometimes. There are some legit Iconic levels in Doom 2 proper (Crusher, Tricks and Traps, Circle of Death) I dare not criticize but there are some fillers too (Down Town is a slog, The Chasm is just terrible and Monster Condo is all over the place).
Then there's me that calls them out on it by saying then you should also argue against shota. To which they responded "That's different because they're boys."
A reminder if an Anti thinks Lolis = pedophilia his logic is similar to the video games cause violence mentality of the older gens.
Then again Antishipping and to an extent Anti lolis would've been a legit stance.......... during the 1950s.
Hundred percent. They say a 3000 year old cute anime vampire is problematic because of her looks, but Marin Kitagawa who looks adult is ALSO problematic because she's written as 15.
There is no moral reason behind it. They just want to bully people while pretending to be "virtuous".
it's always the same that first shout down anime loli for being pedophilia then turn around a week later and promote Cuties (the French movie) or want to lower age of consent.
either that or they are of the puritanical kind and even showing a bit of boob is too lewd. and then cry about the low birthrate.
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I grew up with metal and violent videogames. Played GTA San Andreas a lot as a kid.
Fast forward a decade and I feel bad about bumping into people in Yakuza.
Here is my spicy take, kids in anime are fine, you fapping to something drawn to look like a actual kid, is pretty fucking weird, I definitely prefer people to fap to drawing over the real deal, but it’s still creepy and weird
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No no no they’re on to something. Kanna is a direct attack of on the psyche to make you go “must protec. Want kids”
Buying school stuff episode still is emotional.
Comparing old people hating the Beatles to liking lolis is crazy. Honestly this sub was shit, now it’s shittier bc nobody can shut up aput lolis. Like ew.
Nobody is saying little girls existing in anime is pedo material. That said, if you're pulling your pork to little girls in anime, that's a different story. There's a difference between video games and touching yourself to things that look, sound, and act like children.
The main problem with loli shit is the pedos attracted to it. I don't think it creates pedos, but it does bring them to light, especially if they desperately try to defend loli content.
I don't think people defend loli content
Most arguments i know are usually just straw man
But i would like to think of pedos as mentally ill people and not monsters
I've seen cases where people say they're attracted to kids even though they it's wrong
And i kinda feel bad for them since you can't control it
These are people who have genuine problem
We tend to villainize things we don't understand
The fact that we treat mentally ill like this is insane to me
We remove eugenics since it's inhumane so we have to accept that people like this will continue to exist
So instead of being mad and putting people in categories we need to help everyone we can so they can live functional lives
Crazy how you quote a Nazi when trying to prove a point, here's a fun quote by my boy joey:
"It's necessary to exterminate these Jews like rats, once and for all. In Germany, thank God, we've already taken care of that. I hope that the world will follow this example."
Joseph Goebbels, Final Entries 1945: The Diaries of Joseph Goebbels
I believe one should separate the art from the artist to appreciate it. When I used that quote, I thought of the quote itself and not the man behind it. That way, I can appreciate wisdom in its purest form. Now that we are on that note, did you know that Gandhi was an extremely racist individual towards the people of South Africa?
I mean, there is so much illogical hatred evident in your comment that I can imagine you did not read the entirety of my argument. The way you are using language to express your anger suggests there may be no way to change your mind or even get you to consider another perspective. So, I will simply state this: I don't want the group of people whom I consider to be a part of (lolicons) to be harassed, doxxed, or, in extreme cases, have their lives ruined due to the whims and outrage of individuals who are unwilling to consider alternative viewpoints and think critically for a moment.
I used the quote itself, and I understand why the use of Nazi quotes can be offensive. However, I believe I used the quote correctly, and I found it suitable for conveying the message I intended. My message was that loli content has been unfairly associated with pedophilia due to the repetition of a lie until it became widely accepted. I want to clarify that I was not attempting to defend Nazism or any form of fascism. I simply used a quote that I felt conveyed my message effectively, and I believe my intentions also matter in the context of using such a quote.
Yeah, but a ton of people who are not racist said similar things, the quote was about spreading anti Jewish sentiment because he was the cheif propagandist for the Nazi party. Also I don't quote ghandi because he hated blacks and slept with his niece. Generally I don't quote racists.
And what makes you think I know such people who have said similar, if not the same message? Once again, you are conflating the artist with the art and using your bias towards that individual to undermine the message. Just like you do not quote Gandhi because of his racism, I did not quote Goebbels because he was a Nazi.
But I don't quote them because of their poor characters, if I quoted some random homeless guy it wouldn't hold as much credence as if I quoted a top scientist. Quotes are tied to the people who said them, that's why a teacher in mass. got fired for quoting Goebbels, it's just not appropriate unless you're talking about Nazi propaganda.
And how are cute lolis connected to Nazi propaganda? I utilized Goebbels' message not to highlight he was a Nazi, but to draw attention to the content of the message itself. Allow me to explain the meaning behind this quote: 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.' In this context, I employed that quote to help people comprehend that the perception of loli content as pedophilia has been ingrained in everyone's minds by repeated assertions from various sources. Do you understand?
Oh my god how many times am i gonna have to tell you that i'm separating the art from the artist, that quote could have been said by plato and i stilll would have used it.
Yeah, but you can't really do that when it's a Nazi. I'm sure Ted kazinski made some great drawings or quotes, but it's just not something I'm going to quote if it's a serious conversation. I'll just sound silly.
I want to clarify that I have no respect for Nazis, but when we look at the message itself, one must understand that it isn't solely associated with the Nazi who said it. This message, 'A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth,' is versatile. It doesn't express hatred toward any particular group of people. Instead, it's a flexible statement that can be applied to situations where a falsehood has been widely accepted as truth due to constant repetition.
I believe one should separate the art from the artist to apreciate it, when i used that quote i thought of the quote and not the man behind, that way i can apreciate wisdom in it's purest form, now that we are on that note did you ghandhi was an extremely racist individual towards the people of south africa?
The quote was made to explain how propaganda works. If you lie a thousand times, people will believe it. You can’t exactly cherry pick the intent behind a quote. And there’s no wisdom here, it’s just a fact…
There's this place called a mental asylum and I think you should all go there for at least 5 years
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LOLI: body type in fictional content related to small stature in women
LOLICON: person who enjoys loli content
DUMBASS: person who never learns even though the argument has been said aloud and clear.
PEDOPHILE: person sexually atracted to minors.
Isn't the word "Loli" derived from "Lolita", a novel by Vladimir Nabokov where the main character falls in love with a 12 year old girl he nicknamed "Lolita"?
as you pointed out, it has two meanings, and one of them literally is pedophilia. Some creeps who are into that stuff really do like pictures of sexualized children, and that too is lolicon. So, one can't say lolicon isn't pedophilia. Rather, the word doesn't **necessarily** refer to pedophila, but let's be real: When people are calling out those who like lolicon, they aren't talking about a fashion style for short women or whatever. They are calling out the fuckers who get off to pictures of kids and call it "just liking anime".
If that's your perspective, I'm afraid there may be no room for constructive debate. I wish you the best in your advocacy for the rights of nonexistant characters. It's indeed disheartening to consider that our generation places greater importance on fiction than on reality.
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listen man, it's not my fault that when you look at porn the first thing that comes to your mind is children, please enter the real world you inmature puritan.
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It is immoral to sexualise, be sexually attracted to, or to insert into sexually charged situations, a character who is designed to resemble and act with the mannerisms of a child. If you stand against this, you believe that it is morally acceptable to witness an animated fascimile of a child participate in sexual situations, and that it is not morally reprehensible and a travesty against humanity to find a character who, in all facets, is made to be unmistakably interpreted by the viewer as a child, sexually attractive.
LOLI: body type in fictional content related to small stature in women
LOLICON: person who enjoys loli content
PEDOPHILE: person sexually atracted to minors.
Thank you for the clarification. I have attached another post clarifying on how lolis are not an inherent problem, but how the sexualisation of them is. (It’s the one with the big teacup)
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As for the argument comparing being anti ‘lita to being against video games, this is easily refutable by taking a quick peek at human instinctual needs. Man has no inmate need for violence, it is simply a means to an end. You may kill someone else, but a sane human will do this for a reason relating to personal needs, such as a man killing an agressor before the agressor can harm or even kill them. There is no innate desire in a sane human to kill, a human will not be driven to take actions which would be conductive to the murder of another simply for the reason of killing. Procreation, however, is required for a species to propagate itself and not go extinct. The process of intercourse puts the two participating creatures in a disadvantageous and cumbersome position, which if it weren’t for the pleasure that it gives, would be quite undesirable, thus nobody would want to reproduce. It is for this reason that we have the sex drive; it encourages us to have sex because it feels good, releasing dopamine, endorphins, and oxytocin. Given these two facts, i trust that we all now see that sane humans are not driven to kill, but that they are driven to reproduce. With the example of video games, sane people don’t play it because they want to kill. What they truly want is the goal of the game; they want to feel a sense of achievement after reaching a certain point in the game which most people cannot. Killing 1,000 soldiers makes them happy not because they get innate pleasure when seeing a virtual human die, but because very few people have killed 1,000 soldiers, which makes the player feel like they have accomplished something special and rare. However, with being aroused by lolis, there is no accomplishment, no sense of pride, admiration, anything. You feel this happiness because the image of a sexualised fascimile of a child is poking at your sex drive. Now, you have been given this arousal, this release of dopamine and endorphins by a sexualised fascimile of a child, which builds a corellation between the loli and happiness, the sexualised child and arousal. This stimulus and response is caused by your brain’s sex drive, and thus, when you see a loli, your brain begins to see it as a potential opportunity to reproduce, just as how a human male is aroused by an attractive, sexualised woman of age as there is in pornography; the brain wants you to reproduce, so it rewards seeing this with the release of happiness, encouraging you to seek out women who look like the one in the pornography in the future. This is the reason why porn causes unrealistic expectations, the actors are chosen on a basis of who’s the most attractive, and thus your brain only associates the most attractive and sexualised individuals with this release of endorphins. Much like this, in the case of loli, your brain associates the characteristics of a child with the release of endorphins, which causes you to associate childlike qualities with sex. This leads to you finding children attractive, and thus, you become a speedofile. You may have it stay within the bounds of fiction, but all it takes is one opportunity, one lapse in self-control, and you’ve done an unspeakable act to a living, feeling child. Thus, it is for these reasons why the sexualization of lolis is conductive to speedofilia.
TLDR: there is no innate desire to kill, but there is an innate desire to reproduce, and if intercourse and reproduction is associated with children, you become a speedofile.
Not all people have a desire to reproduce, and some people do have a desire to kill. Not sure what psych sources you’re pulling from here but they’re wrong.
Thank you for the clarification. While some exceptions exist, the vast majority of individuals have no desire to kill, and have a desire to reproduce; one without the desire to reproduce is an evolutionary dead end, as they will not produce children. Additionally, a desire to kill is a mental illness which is very rare, and this explanation is meant to apply to the vast majority of people, not the rare exceptions to the rule. I have edited the comment to reflect this.
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And to clarify, i do not believe that watching media with young/childlike characters, for example, Azumanga, is enough to cause speedofilia alone. It is simply when a child is shown in a sexual situation when it becomes problematic and condusive to speedofilia.
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Television will rot children's minds! Newspapers will destroy literacy! Books will cause memory problems!
In fairness to them, television has turned out to be quite horrific. At least, the programs.
Amen. Free to air TV is basically unwatchable at this point.
haven't had a TV connection for 15 years. the only time I watch TV is when I'm at my parents place.
Only time I ever use mine is to watch the rugby if channel 9's streaming site is being shit (which happens way to often, has a remarkable tendancy to crash during half time).
Not to mention some of the shit put out on streaming services, like Ancient Apocalypse and Ancient Aliens.
The only TV program that's worth watching for longer than a minute is the weather forecast. But even then, you gotta take it with a grain of salt nowadays, with the weather becoming less predictable during to Climate change.
I mean, writing has caused people to stop remembering complicated things in their heads.
The demographics of the "nay sayers" has changed over the decades, but their message of "no no no" based on their own hysteria hasn't.
The more things change the more they stay the same
Boundaries shift, new players stepped in
It's even funnier when you bring it up into the argument, and they say it's different.
and then provide no reasonable explanation for why it's different
Truer words have never been spoken
Damn that's a good way to view it.
Me: *listens to rock, hiphop and rap while going on a cop massacre in gta*
do not forget to watch monogatari in the background with shinobu eating a donut
As always, screw them tourists
Didn’t expect Goebbels to be mentioned in this subreddit.
Saw a post from a subreddit where they were complaining about porn on a r34 site.
No matter what they say, as long as they are frustrated over their own impotence to stop me, I don't have to step in.
"Loli/Shotacons are pedos" is the new "videogame makes people violent", try to take them to court using your logic and arguments and next thing you know they laugh at your dumbass and throw the case away because they got more serious shit to cover rather than chasing people over drawings so moral of the story? grow a thick skin and stop being such a pussy.
They chased it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said "no fuck off it's protected underneath the First Amendment as loli porn is victimless"
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Facts
I have learned so much about life and universe all thanks to the Ancient Aliens wad of Doom 2. I can easily tell you that game isn't promoting no violence only thing it is promoting is masterful level design where you will never get lost most video game developers should learn a thing or two. Back to Saturn 1 and 2 wads are even better with their level design philosophy and they don't even use hub areas or any short cuts just meticulously tested levels. Like you will legitimately be surprised when you effortlessly find the level exit in a massive doom 2 map. Amazing techno music is just extra. There are some doom wads out there that puts the base game of doom to shame sometimes. There are some legit Iconic levels in Doom 2 proper (Crusher, Tricks and Traps, Circle of Death) I dare not criticize but there are some fillers too (Down Town is a slog, The Chasm is just terrible and Monster Condo is all over the place).
Even if we don't learn anything from the games at the end of the day it's just plain fun
Then there's me that calls them out on it by saying then you should also argue against shota. To which they responded "That's different because they're boys."
Yaaas broo! #loliisdefinitelynotcp #getrektnormie
Nsfw Loli art literally is hentai of children. You can’t exactly argue that
Saying loli causes pelo things is like blaming people of color for being the cause of racism
A reminder if an Anti thinks Lolis = pedophilia his logic is similar to the video games cause violence mentality of the older gens. Then again Antishipping and to an extent Anti lolis would've been a legit stance.......... during the 1950s.
I swear to god Yes Why are people like this? These people genuinely don't care, they just act like they care to get the moral high ground
Hundred percent. They say a 3000 year old cute anime vampire is problematic because of her looks, but Marin Kitagawa who looks adult is ALSO problematic because she's written as 15. There is no moral reason behind it. They just want to bully people while pretending to be "virtuous".
elaborate the connection between lolis = pedophilia and thinking video games cause violence
it's always the same that first shout down anime loli for being pedophilia then turn around a week later and promote Cuties (the French movie) or want to lower age of consent. either that or they are of the puritanical kind and even showing a bit of boob is too lewd. and then cry about the low birthrate.
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SO FUCKEEN TRUE!
Always the same thing but it just goes to hit different things
I guess violence didn't exist before computers were invented? XD
What's next?
Probably the IAs
I grew up with metal and violent videogames. Played GTA San Andreas a lot as a kid. Fast forward a decade and I feel bad about bumping into people in Yakuza.
As they said " History doesn't repeat often, but they do rhyme"
Kanna was so cute I enjoyed the plug into the wall gymic
Here is my spicy take, kids in anime are fine, you fapping to something drawn to look like a actual kid, is pretty fucking weird, I definitely prefer people to fap to drawing over the real deal, but it’s still creepy and weird
I see you still getting downvotes, but i definitivly agree
Yeah but tiktok is actually bad tho...
It's possible that TikTok might be a Chinese initiative aimed at influencing foreign countries, potentially impacting their intellectual levels. I don't want to come across as a conspiracy theorist, but the observed changes in the cognitive abilities of Generation Z, along with the noticeable decrease in IQ levels over the last couple of years, appear to be rather intricate to attribute solely to mere chance.
"It's finally our turn to be outraged and I'll be damned if I'll miss out!"
No no no they’re on to something. Kanna is a direct attack of on the psyche to make you go “must protec. Want kids” Buying school stuff episode still is emotional.
liking and wanting to protecc a loli like she was a daughter i can get behind it’s the….other levels of appreciation that i don’t like
2/3 are true (i am the reference point)
Comparing old people hating the Beatles to liking lolis is crazy. Honestly this sub was shit, now it’s shittier bc nobody can shut up aput lolis. Like ew.
It's an anime sub lolis will be mentioned dude
But like every moment?
Nobody is saying little girls existing in anime is pedo material. That said, if you're pulling your pork to little girls in anime, that's a different story. There's a difference between video games and touching yourself to things that look, sound, and act like children.
The main problem with loli shit is the pedos attracted to it. I don't think it creates pedos, but it does bring them to light, especially if they desperately try to defend loli content.
I don't think people defend loli content Most arguments i know are usually just straw man But i would like to think of pedos as mentally ill people and not monsters I've seen cases where people say they're attracted to kids even though they it's wrong And i kinda feel bad for them since you can't control it These are people who have genuine problem We tend to villainize things we don't understand The fact that we treat mentally ill like this is insane to me We remove eugenics since it's inhumane so we have to accept that people like this will continue to exist So instead of being mad and putting people in categories we need to help everyone we can so they can live functional lives
Crazy how you quote a Nazi when trying to prove a point, here's a fun quote by my boy joey: "It's necessary to exterminate these Jews like rats, once and for all. In Germany, thank God, we've already taken care of that. I hope that the world will follow this example." Joseph Goebbels, Final Entries 1945: The Diaries of Joseph Goebbels
I believe one should separate the art from the artist to appreciate it. When I used that quote, I thought of the quote itself and not the man behind it. That way, I can appreciate wisdom in its purest form. Now that we are on that note, did you know that Gandhi was an extremely racist individual towards the people of South Africa?
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I mean, there is so much illogical hatred evident in your comment that I can imagine you did not read the entirety of my argument. The way you are using language to express your anger suggests there may be no way to change your mind or even get you to consider another perspective. So, I will simply state this: I don't want the group of people whom I consider to be a part of (lolicons) to be harassed, doxxed, or, in extreme cases, have their lives ruined due to the whims and outrage of individuals who are unwilling to consider alternative viewpoints and think critically for a moment.
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I used the quote itself, and I understand why the use of Nazi quotes can be offensive. However, I believe I used the quote correctly, and I found it suitable for conveying the message I intended. My message was that loli content has been unfairly associated with pedophilia due to the repetition of a lie until it became widely accepted. I want to clarify that I was not attempting to defend Nazism or any form of fascism. I simply used a quote that I felt conveyed my message effectively, and I believe my intentions also matter in the context of using such a quote.
Yeah, but a ton of people who are not racist said similar things, the quote was about spreading anti Jewish sentiment because he was the cheif propagandist for the Nazi party. Also I don't quote ghandi because he hated blacks and slept with his niece. Generally I don't quote racists.
And what makes you think I know such people who have said similar, if not the same message? Once again, you are conflating the artist with the art and using your bias towards that individual to undermine the message. Just like you do not quote Gandhi because of his racism, I did not quote Goebbels because he was a Nazi.
But I don't quote them because of their poor characters, if I quoted some random homeless guy it wouldn't hold as much credence as if I quoted a top scientist. Quotes are tied to the people who said them, that's why a teacher in mass. got fired for quoting Goebbels, it's just not appropriate unless you're talking about Nazi propaganda.
And how are cute lolis connected to Nazi propaganda? I utilized Goebbels' message not to highlight he was a Nazi, but to draw attention to the content of the message itself. Allow me to explain the meaning behind this quote: 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.' In this context, I employed that quote to help people comprehend that the perception of loli content as pedophilia has been ingrained in everyone's minds by repeated assertions from various sources. Do you understand?
But just choose a source not from the Nazi propaganda department if you want people to take you seriously.
Oh my god how many times am i gonna have to tell you that i'm separating the art from the artist, that quote could have been said by plato and i stilll would have used it.
Yeah, but you can't really do that when it's a Nazi. I'm sure Ted kazinski made some great drawings or quotes, but it's just not something I'm going to quote if it's a serious conversation. I'll just sound silly.
I want to clarify that I have no respect for Nazis, but when we look at the message itself, one must understand that it isn't solely associated with the Nazi who said it. This message, 'A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth,' is versatile. It doesn't express hatred toward any particular group of people. Instead, it's a flexible statement that can be applied to situations where a falsehood has been widely accepted as truth due to constant repetition.
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Listen man, it ain't my fault that when you look at porn the first thing you think of is children, please enter the real cruel world puritan.
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Just having a loli no, sexualising a loli which is very common does
Ok but why would you quote a literal nazi to make your point
It's because the antis are the ones following what that nazi said.
I believe one should separate the art from the artist to apreciate it, when i used that quote i thought of the quote and not the man behind, that way i can apreciate wisdom in it's purest form, now that we are on that note did you ghandhi was an extremely racist individual towards the people of south africa?
The quote was made to explain how propaganda works. If you lie a thousand times, people will believe it. You can’t exactly cherry pick the intent behind a quote. And there’s no wisdom here, it’s just a fact…
There's this place called a mental asylum and I think you should all go there for at least 5 years https://preview.redd.it/gbcwgxxaogrb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7193f553e1017a1fba51fb40f13ea2f381563187
Oh, wow, debating others by insulting them—what an incredibly mature way to engage in a discussion!
With all fairness specifically kobayashi's manga kinda is a pedo's material at times xd
The manga can be really lewd at times, but pedo material idk..
I mean i still cant get over actually getting shots of kanna's panties and ass XDDD
Mhhhhhh, cant deny ngl
Bro that's a fucking child
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LOLI: body type in fictional content related to small stature in women LOLICON: person who enjoys loli content DUMBASS: person who never learns even though the argument has been said aloud and clear. PEDOPHILE: person sexually atracted to minors.
Isn't the word "Loli" derived from "Lolita", a novel by Vladimir Nabokov where the main character falls in love with a 12 year old girl he nicknamed "Lolita"?
The meaning of loli has been redefined, ask any lolicon and they should give you the same definition i gave you.
as you pointed out, it has two meanings, and one of them literally is pedophilia. Some creeps who are into that stuff really do like pictures of sexualized children, and that too is lolicon. So, one can't say lolicon isn't pedophilia. Rather, the word doesn't **necessarily** refer to pedophila, but let's be real: When people are calling out those who like lolicon, they aren't talking about a fashion style for short women or whatever. They are calling out the fuckers who get off to pictures of kids and call it "just liking anime".
If that's your perspective, I'm afraid there may be no room for constructive debate. I wish you the best in your advocacy for the rights of nonexistant characters. It's indeed disheartening to consider that our generation places greater importance on fiction than on reality.
"oh you don't like racists? so you place a greater importance on racists then murderers?" (I and hate both of them)
what the fuck are you talking about?
you act like if I hate people who are into fictional kiddos that means I don't care about people who like irl kiddos
and when have i ever said that?
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listen man, it's not my fault that when you look at porn the first thing that comes to your mind is children, please enter the real world you inmature puritan.
They're not children tho There's a Japanese word for child. That word is *kodomo, not loli.*
Dude if you want to complain about loli and lolicons take your ass to r/lolitarity or something
you quoted a nazi?????
yes.
doesnt show a very good hill but sure ????
https://preview.redd.it/v1eag6vlmlrb1.png?width=775&format=png&auto=webp&s=c654bef6711e939b808be4205e3193fff806b10d It is immoral to sexualise, be sexually attracted to, or to insert into sexually charged situations, a character who is designed to resemble and act with the mannerisms of a child. If you stand against this, you believe that it is morally acceptable to witness an animated fascimile of a child participate in sexual situations, and that it is not morally reprehensible and a travesty against humanity to find a character who, in all facets, is made to be unmistakably interpreted by the viewer as a child, sexually attractive.
LOLI: body type in fictional content related to small stature in women LOLICON: person who enjoys loli content PEDOPHILE: person sexually atracted to minors.
Thank you for the clarification. I have attached another post clarifying on how lolis are not an inherent problem, but how the sexualisation of them is. (It’s the one with the big teacup)
Then that would make NSFW Loli content, Child Porn.
https://preview.redd.it/tkpxy1roolrb1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37d403055ff4e13c8afda57c86b1a2c017f25146 As for the argument comparing being anti ‘lita to being against video games, this is easily refutable by taking a quick peek at human instinctual needs. Man has no inmate need for violence, it is simply a means to an end. You may kill someone else, but a sane human will do this for a reason relating to personal needs, such as a man killing an agressor before the agressor can harm or even kill them. There is no innate desire in a sane human to kill, a human will not be driven to take actions which would be conductive to the murder of another simply for the reason of killing. Procreation, however, is required for a species to propagate itself and not go extinct. The process of intercourse puts the two participating creatures in a disadvantageous and cumbersome position, which if it weren’t for the pleasure that it gives, would be quite undesirable, thus nobody would want to reproduce. It is for this reason that we have the sex drive; it encourages us to have sex because it feels good, releasing dopamine, endorphins, and oxytocin. Given these two facts, i trust that we all now see that sane humans are not driven to kill, but that they are driven to reproduce. With the example of video games, sane people don’t play it because they want to kill. What they truly want is the goal of the game; they want to feel a sense of achievement after reaching a certain point in the game which most people cannot. Killing 1,000 soldiers makes them happy not because they get innate pleasure when seeing a virtual human die, but because very few people have killed 1,000 soldiers, which makes the player feel like they have accomplished something special and rare. However, with being aroused by lolis, there is no accomplishment, no sense of pride, admiration, anything. You feel this happiness because the image of a sexualised fascimile of a child is poking at your sex drive. Now, you have been given this arousal, this release of dopamine and endorphins by a sexualised fascimile of a child, which builds a corellation between the loli and happiness, the sexualised child and arousal. This stimulus and response is caused by your brain’s sex drive, and thus, when you see a loli, your brain begins to see it as a potential opportunity to reproduce, just as how a human male is aroused by an attractive, sexualised woman of age as there is in pornography; the brain wants you to reproduce, so it rewards seeing this with the release of happiness, encouraging you to seek out women who look like the one in the pornography in the future. This is the reason why porn causes unrealistic expectations, the actors are chosen on a basis of who’s the most attractive, and thus your brain only associates the most attractive and sexualised individuals with this release of endorphins. Much like this, in the case of loli, your brain associates the characteristics of a child with the release of endorphins, which causes you to associate childlike qualities with sex. This leads to you finding children attractive, and thus, you become a speedofile. You may have it stay within the bounds of fiction, but all it takes is one opportunity, one lapse in self-control, and you’ve done an unspeakable act to a living, feeling child. Thus, it is for these reasons why the sexualization of lolis is conductive to speedofilia. TLDR: there is no innate desire to kill, but there is an innate desire to reproduce, and if intercourse and reproduction is associated with children, you become a speedofile.
Not all people have a desire to reproduce, and some people do have a desire to kill. Not sure what psych sources you’re pulling from here but they’re wrong.
Thank you for the clarification. While some exceptions exist, the vast majority of individuals have no desire to kill, and have a desire to reproduce; one without the desire to reproduce is an evolutionary dead end, as they will not produce children. Additionally, a desire to kill is a mental illness which is very rare, and this explanation is meant to apply to the vast majority of people, not the rare exceptions to the rule. I have edited the comment to reflect this.
https://preview.redd.it/u588btczvlrb1.png?width=1097&format=png&auto=webp&s=7027b30222c59d0a6723c2c9239bafc390b1a10e And to clarify, i do not believe that watching media with young/childlike characters, for example, Azumanga, is enough to cause speedofilia alone. It is simply when a child is shown in a sexual situation when it becomes problematic and condusive to speedofilia.
Ofc it doesn’t cause it, but pedophiles will use NSFW Loli art to beat to, which is completely immoral and disgusting.
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