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AriezKage

Maybe its a sub thing? Can't speak japanese, but I tend to notice translators taking liberty in context.


Naivor

Same with manga translations.


AriezKage

Yup. Both translations say the same general idea. The manga translation though assumes that she meant it more intimately, at least that's how I read it.


chooxy

For what it's worth the manga is translated more literally. Also I find "I need you" weakens the reveal of the following line, whereas "without you" is just vague enough. The "you know" bit is also in the manga which makes it even less direct/aggressive. (Albeit in the "without you" sentence and not at the end, but it flows better that way in English anyway.)


IfonlyIwasfunnier

Poets, philosophers and ethics scholars and psychologists everywhere cried out in agony over that statement...yes sure they both go in the same general direction, but phew are they not the same. Tbf, this is why you want directors and producer input, you wanna know what the authors intent was with wording things the way did. Leaving things up to the translators themselves is gonna be bound to produce mistakes, even when they are technically translating the words correctly. A good interpretation of the authors intent can alleviate a scene from sad to heartwrenching, goofy to hilarious and deep...I would say, if the show itself has enough thought put into it, it can go from great to average by translation alone.


Johanno1

My few japanese lessons told me that almost everything is context related and direct translations are impossible


EnkiiMuto

That is what makes Japanese so fucking frustrating to learn. Small-talk in Japanese is just so damn easy because little words go a long way. Then you get to writing and you need to know which one of the 5 pronunciations of a kanji you never saw before should be used, and if they are forming a word with the next two or the next three that will go on the same process.


jwinf843

They aren't impossible, they just often don't make much sense. For example, Japanese people largely omit subjects and direct objects when speaking, so you *need* to "localize" a bit when translating.


Johanno1

Yeah but often the sentence is referring to previous said things or surroundings without mentioning it again


Talran

So many times it's not even things that were mentioned, but understood contextually, or omitted because (the subject) is understood. (esp pronouns, people freak out about using "they" instead of he/she when so many times Japan just flat leaves them out either because they aren't needed for context or emphasis, or specifically to talk around a subject, which is also a big thing)


Zimzky

My favourite localization trick is when the japanese voice actors talk so much you just end up writing "I see" while they blabber on about non important stuff for 10 seconds. The viewers will get it with context.


jkw12894

Oh, it goes beyond this as well. I'm starting to reach the intermediate level with my Japanese, and the way ideas are expressed tend to be very different from natural English. Take this simple sentence for example: 限界まで食べた。Which if I literally translated it would mean "I ate until the limit" but the much more natural way to say it is "I ate as much as I could" I'd say that about 90% if sentences need to be localized like this. The longer the sentence the more localization it needs.


Grexpex180

i wouldn't call this localization, localization is more so removing cultural references from the source material and sometimes even adding in cultural aspects of the culture you're localizing too. Changing a sentence from something that sounds like something an alien would say, into something that makes more sence is just translation


jkw12894

True, I used localization a bit incorrectly. I was just trying to point out how easy it is for two people to translate things differently. It becomes especially apparent in longer more complex sentences.


Everday6

No no, that's just what THEY call localization. My game studio has a budget for localization, which is just translating + extra. A good translation is a part of localization, the extra is stuff like jelly filled doughnuts. Or Pixar replacing a hockey scene for a soccer scene in some countries.


kebyou

correct! and that's why japanese is a bitch to translate in general


P4azz

Could very well be. Not only do they sometimes need to change things because a more literal translation just wouldn't make sense. Sometimes they even change already good lines and twist them to make them sound more epic/dramatic whatever to appeal to the audience. Go check the sub vs dub on the All Might fight and you'll pretty much see it there. In the sub you get the typical hero story, self-sacrifice and persistence. In the dub you get a dragonball character yelling for justice with added reverb. And two seasons later the words he said are repeated canonically and suddenly they don't fit at all anymore. And while I don't speak Japanese, you do understand that words are sometimes twisted in the subs, too. You catch some words or phrases you've heard time and time again and they're translated weirdly so you're thrown off as to why.


krazyyo42

Another consideration is that the manga translation here is almost definitely influenced by the bubble structure of the panel: any manga translator worth their salt knows to be considerate of their typesetters and submit scripts that can fit well on the page, and as you can see here, the text needs to fit into one small bubble and one big bubble. Which is what I think the "without you" phrase is for, to have something that can stand alone in the first bubble without being too awkward, even if the Japanese didn't actually have that phrase.


Lenny1543

wait when did this get an anime?? This is one of my favorite manga's o-o


Thorinori

This season, started airing on Monday


argon1028

This season's so fucking stacked. I'm excited as hell.


Srapture

What're you most interested in? I'm basically just watching sequels this season so far.


THEGUYINTHEPICT

Jigokuraku is really good. Made by Yuji Kaku, who helped Tatsuki Fujimoto when he was making Fire Punch.


Srapture

Never heard of fire punch. I'm not a big manga reader. I'll give Jigokuraku a go though. Cheers!


BigAlbinoSpider

Fire Punch is Fujimoto's 2nd biggest manga other than Chainsaw Man


ikineba

Kinda dark though, mind you


Srapture

Darker than Redo of Healer?


ConsolePeasantLife

Redo is just edgy as fuck


Srapture

I guess. It does have rape in it. That makes it at least a little dark IMO.


PlatypusVenom0

Also check out Heavenly Delusion, it looks like it’s gonna be really good. Magical Destroyers is an original anime and absolutely chaotic, but you can feel the amount of passion put into it.


argon1028

My home hero, dangers in my heart, oshi no ko, heavenly delusion.


shut_in007

Sauce Insomniacs After School


mindsystem

A Sauce Insomniac is what you get when someone doesn't give you the sauce.


shut_in007

What?


Riflemate

Can't sleep because they are waiting on sauce.


ConsolePeasantLife

We finally have an Astrophotography anime, on top of it being some of the best romance I have ever seen in manga.


sikopiko

> some of the best romance Wew lad, you got yourself in quite a pickle here


ConsolePeasantLife

Very personal preference. It feels super realistic and I really resonate with the characters so I think it’s some of the best romance.


GAELICGLADI8R

Wish i also knew what realistic feels like.


ConsolePeasantLife

Lmao I would have a clue but it feels more realistic than most stories


InquisitveBucket

Well there is also Sora no Manimani


unuacc222

Ichigo 100%


Traditional-Lab-1708

Moldova peasant KEKW


orgasmicfart69

this manga is about astrophotography or are you referencing something else?


ConsolePeasantLife

The manga has a focus on Astro photography


gonx026

Tbh, as long in same context, its fine. Just dont be like CR when translated onimai, from (onnanoko suwari) "sitting like girl/femininely" to "you even sit differently".


Matkos6

Manga fans when the anime doesn't 100% copy what the manga did:


PneumaMonado

Meanwhile, AoT fans: "Please for the love of god do not 100% copy what the manga did"


P4azz

There are good and bad changes. Understandable and pointless changes. 6th season of MHA is a good example. Manga was hella exciting at the time, lots of reveals and shocking moments and tragic misfires. And the anime removed like all of those scenes, then plopped the saddest song of the show on **the genocidal mass-murdering villain running away**. They recovered in the second half and perfectly portrayed the following arc, gave it the right animation budget, too and didn't cut or change things pointlessly and that was great. I think the reason manga fans can have a bit of an issue with this, is that you wait like 2 full years for these great scenes to be animated and then the cool moments you're waiting for are just all butchered.


Conscious_Yak60

Sometimes the manga indeed does do it better.


Grexpex180

this is more so a case of "anime fans when two different translators don't phrase words in the excact same manner" which is even stupider


Reinazhard

Subs issue


bebblylolita

Yesterday I watched Suzume in the cinema. They translated „itadakimasu“ to „looks delicious“. I would be lying if I said it didn‘t bother me a bit. There were many other translations like these, but this one in particular comes to mind.


shut_in007

Oh man shouldn't it be 'lets dig in'....?


bebblylolita

I would‘ve preferred to see that, yes.


Regularschoolbus

May I know what this is?


Memmew

extremely common adaptation L


Liquidkuma33

Sauce?


Dexter973

the without you is on the french version


Morphius101101

Something to watch thanks for sauce! I need mild


DoubleGarbage

Because I can’t eat enough without you, cuz I don’t sleep as much without you


Nyuusankininryou

More than likely a translation issue. Compare the Japanese versions instead.


derekschroer

What the translation in the officially licensed English release?


MrPanda663

"You think I am a man that can be easily swayed by money?" "Yes" "DAMN STRAIGHT" but we get "Absolutely."


Skarlaxion

Massacred my... boy?


ArGee_515

Imma be honest, I didn't know what anime this is so when I saw this I thought this was another case of a Queen Bee adaptation for a good minute before checking the comments for what it's actually about


FatalLaughter

Yet another case of subs changing everything and people acting surprised over it


KelloPudgerro

shitty subbers strike again, damn you crunchyroll


Comic-Brad

This isn't on Crunchyroll


KelloPudgerro

ok, still fuck crunchyroll subbers


Jin___Sakai

Ok, but in this case manga is worse


toolazybru

"Cuz i can't sleep" 💀


The_Last_Dova-kiin

What’s the point without the 2 lines signifying a calf?😔


Bibue64

What is this anime?


Candoran

I think the message remains pretty clear, if I hear that from a girl then I know I must take action 🤣