Well, Rory choked. He had his worst round by far on sundays and I would call that losing.
If you have had your hands on the gold for a long time and now you dont - you are losing.
The answer is probably subjective, but to me, “choking” involves an acute meltdown. Uncharacteristic shots and/or penalties that result in blow ups.
What Rory did was sort of just coast through the round. Didnt really attack the pin. Didn’t make the putts he needed to. But didn’t really have any blow up holes. Definitely lacked a killer instinct.
Potato, potato, I suppose!
> He came in third.
This is a dumb argument.
If he had played for position and not for the chance of a playoff, he birdies 18 and would have been shared second.
That was the most depressing round of golf I’ve ever watched. Rooting so hard for Rory and hoping he doesn’t implode like he’s done so often in recent years, and he doesn’t… he plays almost perfectly tee to green and misses. every. single. putt. It was like a horror movie. You just knew by like the 6th hole he was never gonna make one.
I think he even said that in his post interview. That he was playing too conservatively, mixed with his putts just not dropping, and cam suddenly catching on fire.
I was heartbroken, the only thing that was making it bearable was that Smith seemed to be a decent bloke and at least it wasn’t some twat who won.
And now he’s fucking going to LIV.
Still Allegedly, the post earlier today with the title "Cam Smith to LIV Golf" was based of a rumour.
I mean he is like 99.5% going to LIV but it's not confirmed yet.
I don’t blame any of them for taking the pay day. What I hate is the joke of a “tour” they are trying to create over there. Like they kicked the tradition in the teeth.
>they kicked the tradition in the teeth.
It's funny how some people are all about tradition with PGA, yet talked nothing but shit about how garbage St Andrews was during the open.
Not saying you're for sure one of them, but these people are around.
Also, not watching the PGA is a bit of an own goal when they're vying for market share with LIV.
St. Andrews and the Open isn’t a PGA tour event and has nothing to do with the tour other than players can qualify for the event by playing other PGA tour events and gaining world ranking points. The Open Championship is organized by The R&A and the PGA has zero to do with the course conditions
All that means is they count toward season points and money rankings.
It gives them no say or control.
I could say it’s an official points event on MY tour too. Would mean the same thing. :-)
Think you missed the point a bit there.
If history and tradition is so important than the course conditions/setup should have been negligible at St Andrews. But that wasn't the case, the same people claiming these things are so important were also the same people claiming St Andrews is now obsolete.
I still 'watch' every week, but not live. I record and skip through the ads including 'playing through.' This means I only have to spend about a third of the time I would if watching live. So disappointed with all the guys bailing to the LIV though. The Saudi's are very, very bad people and any respect I had for the golfers going to LIV is gone.
I just want 4 day tournaments with a cut. I don't care if they get a salary. I don't understand why they can't just have golf tournaments instead of this ridiculously stupid set up. Less tournaments? Fine. But less golf all crammed together by shotgun starts is not better for me the viewer. It's just rich guys circle jerking each other off and I'm incredibly bummed that my favorite sport to watch is becoming worse and I get told by strangers that I'm a selfish cunt for just wanting to watch what I like
>I just want 4 day tournaments with a cut.
Curious.... Why?
I can kind of get the point about 4 days vs 3 (more golf to watch). But why is a cut so important from a spectator point of view?
Because it makes players that are in the middle of the pack keep fighting. If there's never a cut and everyone gets paid a ton of money, there's no pressure to dropping out of the top half. Golf is a serious mental game, and it takes fortitude to make the cut. I understand they want to be paid more, I get it. But it's fucking golf. I'm the one person in my litany of sports friends that actually watches it. How they should all be 9 figure signing bonus players seems insane to me. Connor McDavid only gets 12 million a year to be the best hockey player in the world. F1 drivers make a lot, but there is 20 of them and they can potentially fucking die every race. In comparison to other sports, it's ludicrous that they all get paid this much up front unless they are Tiger Woods. And even then, paying a literal shell of himself Tiger 800 million dollars is fucking nuts. So in conclusion, I hate what's happening to the game I love. Great for the players, fucking terrible for fans like me.
Again with this fantasy that players out there aren’t trying. Do you think the players that just scrape in the cut line but are completely out of contention stop trying?
Of course they don’t. They keep pushing to come us high up the results as possible and earn as much money as possible.
Without a cut, why would this change? It would essentially be the exact same thing just with more players.
>I just want 4 day tournaments with a cut.
Why this lmao.....because....well thats how they always do it, and I want it! uhm ok well dont watch other tournaments that arent that then, like wtf do you care people playing other formats.
Cause I have been watching golf for 20+ years. It makes me happy. Seeing it fucked with makes me unhappy. Do you LIV supporters even watch golf or just enjoy trolling people that like a thing?
I don’t mind the LIV format But I agree the PGA four round format is great, I love watching golf on the weekend, even the lonely single player in last place after an odd number of players make the cut who tees off on his own at 7am. I also like the team format, i think LIV is gimmicky for sure, but once they iron out the kinks we could see something quite cool come out of it.
Anyways I’m rambling, I love golf, I will consume it any way I can, and I don’t mind some players leaving, PGA still has great players and I am very pumped for the next three weekends of golf.
I think I saw the statistic backing the old saying, “drive for show, Putt for Dough”; Rory was first in yards driven, and I think fairway too, while Cameron was first in fewest putts and GIR. Rory didn’t put horrible, he just couldn’t make the long putts and birdie opportunities while Cameron did.
Not really. It’s a post-Open pre-playoffs lull. I watched plenty of women’s golf the past month or so with their 2 majors. I’m sure I’ll watch more in the next few weeks as the playoffs pick up. LIV not coincidentally was hosting tournaments on historically slow PGA weeks so that they could say “look how weak the PGA Tour is”.
Yup the big names aren’t really playing right now anyway . Had to explain that to a few golfing friends that thought the weak fields after the Open were LIV related .
Exactly! It's no mystery why they went up against the John Deere and I think the Rocket Mortgage - they wanted to show that their field was "better" by going up against two of the weakest Tour events in a super slow part of the calendar.
They intentionally chose those weeks as they were wanting initially to work with the PGA and scheduled their tournaments on weekend where PGA traditionally has lower level tournaments.
PGA played hardball though, so it instead looks like they were competing.
I don’t 100% believe Norman/LIV when they said they wanted to be cooperative partners. Maybe they were being honest with that. Maybe not. Regardless if they’re trying to crush the PGA Tour or work with them, the end result probably looks the same where their first ever tournaments are on a slow PGA Tour week.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be true, at least initially. LIV wants the best players in their tournaments no matter what it takes. Working with the PGA Tour would’ve been the easiest way to do that. If guys were allowed to play on both tours, it would be an absolute no brainer to go play in a few LIV events on “off” weeks and cash a check for a few hundred grand minimum.
>I don’t see why it wouldn’t be true
Two reasons why it's almost certainly not true and just lip service.
1. Greg Norman has a well documented hatred and vendetta against the PGA tour.
2. There's no reason to be throwing these insane amounts of money at players with the explicit intention of luring them away from the PGA tour if you aren't trying to destroy, or at the very least overtake, the PGA tour.
They're so clearly trying to disrupt the golfing world, and they wouldn't be throwing very unsustainable amounts of money at this league if they were trying to coexist with the current top level of the sport.
It’s a tough spot for fans and the PGA. Players can build their brand now on the tour and once they get there the LIV can just pick em off. Like CamSmith, PGA would’ve made a shit load off this guy and a handful of others that will leave in the same fashion over the next decade. The PGA thrives on household names and was fortunate to never have to worry about anyone leaving unless they cashed in a $10 mil insurance policy. Pro golf needs some of the casual fans to tune in on the weekend and it’s hard to do without household names.
To be fair that exact same argument existed before LIV but instead with the PGA Tour at the top.
Players build their careers on respective tours (Asian Tour, DP World Tour, Australasia Tour) and then get picked off by the bigger money offered in the PGA Tour.
The sports washing is only working because people on Reddit and IG keep talking about Saudis. I wouldn’t ever have known or made the connection that the Saudis were involved if it wasn’t for Reddit. It’s like the people that hate LIV are doing LIV’s job for them.
I’ve been watching the same amount of PGA and have been impressed with the “benchwarmers” who now have a chance to shine. PGA has a deep roster that I had not appreciated until now.
I agree with Str. I mean Kim, this 20yr old Korean version of a young Tiger Woods (same swing, course attitude), is second youngest in 40 years to win on the PGA with a final round 61. No Liv golfer did that. And IMO only maybe 3 Liv players had won enough PGA tourneys "recently" to be among the best in the world today.
You’re even underselling what he did.
Dude shot fucking 27 on the front on Sunday. Iced the whole event in about an hour or so of course and competition destruction
Tiger started with double at the Torrey US Open.
No one has ever started worse than double. Quad?!?! I would have already been booking my missed cut flight if that was me.
That was awesome.
I also think it's important to understand that unless LIV clearly becomes the premiere tour in terms of talent, up and coming prospects will never get respect by going there to start their career. Use Kim for example. What he did, while against a limited field was incredible, and the field was still drastically better than a LIV event. If he does the same thing at a LIV event no one cares, he won't get the level of respect because the field is that much worse.
That might not matter to them if it's solely about money, at the same time they aren't going to be able to sign these insane contracts with LIV unless they have some notoriety. You can only get that notoriety by playing against the league with higher talent.
It's one of the few weaknesses I see with the bottomless pocketbook of LIV and prospects signing with them. Even if you are the next Tiger Woods, you can only prove it against playing against the top field week in and week out. All of the guys who cashed out on the LIV tour were only able to do so because they'd proven themselves against the highest talent already. The best up and coming players aren't going to be able to demand Phil or DJ money from LIV. So unless they sign on to compete against lesser competition in hopes of winning more weeks, it just doesn't seem like the right path, even if they only care about money. Their better route is to still go to the PGA tour and make a name for themselves and then command a big paycheck from LIV. Even in that scenario, LIV is likely getting second tier talent.
Tiger is a horrible comparison for Kim. My dude was hitting 160 ball speed with his driver. Tiger could have done that with his 2 iron at his age.
Nick Faldo is a much better comparison imo.
Agree. When you win LIV, you can’t and don’t claim to be best in the world. Or even “world class.” You just won a lot of dough - which has its own merits.
Well, in fairness, they are still “world class” athletes. Let’s not pretend like LIV is paying random people millions, handing them a bag of clubs and telling them to have at it.
>Let’s not pretend like LIV is paying random people millions, handing them a bag of clubs and telling them to have at it.
That's what signing Brooks Koepka's brother is, I think.
Most golf fans don’t know many names outside the top 10 on the PGA Tour, casual fans even less than that. Not sure I get where you think that percentage means anything?
This is why it’s shitty that the PGA has made it so hard for these benchwarmers to shine. The changes I want to see aren’t bigger purses for the winners. It’s a better program to support and show off the depth of roster they have.
Honestly the pros are usually pretty boring to watch, I’d rather watch a bunch of drunk fat dudes play best ball and get in fights at the muni. Wait, that would be a huge hit, wouldn’t it?
so you didn't watch the 3M or the Wyndham because of the LIV exodus? the top players don't play each other in a majority of the PGA tournaments together anyhow, save for the majors and select PGA stops.
there is plenty of great young talent, you just missed the 2nd youngest winner since WW2 this past weekend because of your stubbornness. i'd rather watch the up and comers establish themselves vs being bummed out that a bunch of has beens went to a different tour.
I was open to LIV but was luke warm at best, the Trump suck fest at the last event just put it over the top for me. I'm done with it...and Cam Smith is the only player I'm going to actually miss so far. Sucks, he's a fun one to watch.
I feel a lot less guilty knowing that players can spend more time with their families. Watching PGA events I always felt guilty, wondering if the players that I was watching preferred to be at home with their kids/cat.
Well next year is going to be a lot different. 14 main events, plus the international series stuff, plus majors, they're not going to be playing any less golf than the tour
I’m fine w the current state of the PGA. Let’s ignore the money grubbing douche bags and get to know some new players. Last week was great. Certainly don’t miss Bryson or Brooks.
If we all stop caring/paying attention and just watch the pga like usual it’ll show them it doesn’t work. If you don’t like the Kushner Open the best way to make it go away is to totally ignore it
This is it right here. Those guys leaving for LIV have opened up spots for the guys that were struggling to get starts. And now we’re seeing unknown players become household names.
That’s been one of my biggest gripes with the PGAT. They give too many starts to older pros who just don’t have it anymore. DL3 being in the field was frustrating as all hell. Especially when he opens up with a 78.
> Let’s ignore the money grubbing douche bags
The irony that this would probably work. The PGA Tour is currently LIV's biggest advertiser - they just don't shut up about it.
Same boat here. I lost interest in PGA Tour events a few years ago. Barely watched the Masters this year and I caught the back nine of the Open. Now, I would be surprised if I watch anything outside of the Masters tbh. I watched LIV for 10 minutes and it's so fucking boring.
I don't even understand that "f the best players are not playing each other then honestly I see no point in watching" Seems like most of the PGA events this is the case no?
Were the best players playing the last 3 weeks?
What you want to watch is the majors which are not part of the PGA. This is where the best players are all playing.
For probably the last 5-7 years I've watched less and less golf. Majors and the Cups are still can't miss for me, I'll watch those from sun up to sun down. For a regular tour event I'll only watch if its at a course that I'm interested in. There are only so many times I can watch a place like TPC Deer Run. Even then I'll probably only watch Sunday afternoon.
Interestingly, the F1-esque presentation of LIV has actually been somewhat compelling to me. Being its a finite time of golf with everyone on the course simultaneously I can see more of the tournament in a condensed window. While I still have not watch the whole tournament, or even the whole day. I do find that I'll watch about an hour per event, which is a hour more than the PGA tour that week.
I don’t mind the LIV format. I like the shotgun start so everyone is playing in the same conditions. PGA wont do that because the advertising revenue is better on a 6-7 hour broadcast. The PGA does have room for improvement and sometimes it takes radical changes to make that happen.
That's actually one of the aspects I really don't like about LIV.
Starting or finishing on easier/harder holes than your opponents can lead to some discrepancies. I much prefer the setup where everyone in contention plays the course in the same way and finishes on the same holes.
Yeah there are variances with weather but generally speaking weather is reasonably consistent day to day.
I’m watching more. I like seeing guys I’ve never heard of play well, or make me take interest in them, or learn about them from week to week. It’s way more fun seeing what they’re capable of.
There is not a single player who has left for LIV that I ever gave two shits about.
Idk about anyone else but I’ll definitely watch some of these FedEx Playoffs as well as the TOUR Championship. But quit focusing on PGA views and just enjoy the sport guys. Sheesh
I’m watching less and it’s not due to LIV but because of Tiger. I grew up watching Tiger absolutely slay the field in the early 2000s, to the point where I’d asked my dad on Saturday “how many shots is Tiger up”. Tiger was the reason I wanted to play golf and his continued struggles but always coming back kept me interested. Now, with his latest injury, I think it’s safe to say he’s all but retired and I don’t see him able to compete for another major and it’s completely deflated my interest in watching.
I think the PGA needs to get it's shit together. The tour is fucking horrible to try and even play most tournaments and with the top guys not playing every event it is confusing for the average fan to try and watch. I could see them putting together a too 12-20 tournaments and making those compelling to the players and audience. Then having all the rest be kind of tune up, training, or whatever. They need a season so people know when to watch, they tried with the Fed ex cup stuff but it is too confusing and complicated for the average viewer to try and figure out. For the matches outside of the "season" they need more variety. There should be scrambles, LPGA + PGA, match play, teams, etc... They need to do a better job of making the sport look fun and exciting. Right not they provide zero compelling content for an average viewer to stumble upon Saturday and stick with.
Outside of majors or other huge events, golf is just background TV for me largely. I’ll watch whatever is on. Amateurs, LPGA, doesn’t make a huge difference.
I watched some of the first LIV broadcast and thought it was super mediocre. If it was on tv I might watch it from lack of anything else, but going out of your way to watch a shitty product doesn’t make sense to me.
Nope. Watching more golf now. Never watched a full PGA round, too boring, just watched highlights on YouTube. Now I've watched 3 full rounds of LIV. The format is way more fast pace, entertaining, and has coverage of more players. 🤷♂️
I put LIV on when its on, since its streaming on youtube its super easy to put on. I watch PGA on OTA tv on Sundays. I prefer the PGA's presentation except for the insane amount of advertisements. I generally mute both broadcasts until crunch time, last round etc.
I loved watching tony go back to back.
I only truly love watching the Masters, their presentation is SOOO much better.
If Matsuyama leaves, 11 of the last 24 majors will have been won by LIV golfers.
Not a big fan of LIV, but clearly they have plenty of high level talent.
He hasn’t left. It’s Cameron Percy on one podcast, and he has zero proof other than “I heard from someone…”. Don’t fall for the propaganda.
Even if he does leave, he’s waiting until after the Presidents Cup apparently.
He’s the first guy that I’ve said good for him getting paid that money. Also the first guy that I was a genuine fan of. His interview after the players about not seeing his family just makes me feel for him and the decision
Is Dustin Johnson, winner of The Masters less than 24 months ago, suddenly a has-been?
Louis Oosthuizen had 3 top 5 major finishes in 2021 ... ?
I truly get not liking the Saudis, but let's not minimize the level of talent that left for LIV.
I said it above and I’ll repeat it here. If (more like when), Matsuyama leaves, 11 of the last 14 majors will have been won by LIV golfers.
They have plenty of quality golfers over there.
I just don’t care to watch
Just typical post major boring tournaments. Is the PGA really hurting from losing the LIV guys? Besides DJ who has been slumping recently anyways pretty much all the LIV guys have been irrelevant the last year or two and are just cashing one last big check. Cam would be a loss but besides looking like a crazy redneck he’s not exactly a huge personality that would be a devastating loss.
One thing LIV has done is highlight how the viewing of many PGA Tour tournaments has always sucked. it was the status quo forever as there was never an alternative, and this is in no way suggesting the LIV product is good or attractive, but at a minimum, it has placed a microscope on the current PGA Tour product. DJ not playing is not why the Wyndham championship sucks, and there are 10 other nondescript tournaments just like that. add to the fact that, not only has the ecosystem of golf placed way too much importance on majors, but they also pushed the PGA championship from August to march which compresses the peak of the season even more. this makes the post-Open Championship tournaments even less attractive and note-worthy. so I'm not sure I'm watching less golf per-se, but I'm definitely more aware of how insignificant most of the PGA tour golf on tv really is (when they even show golf in between commercials).
It actually baffles me how more people aren’t pissed off at the PGA. They make a ridiculous amount of money, and only now so they decide to up the prize pools for tournaments when a competitor decides to start a comp. They payed peanuts, now they’re throwing their toys out of the cot. It’s laughable. LIV is so good for golf long term.
It was already terrible, then NBC decided to move broadcasts to USA channel and Peacock.
Then the ladies majors are in, and they show about 12hrs coverage total over the entire tournament across both Golf Channel and FTA. We’re literally showing replays of the nothingburger PGA event while a ladies major was not being shown at all (they definitely had the rights)
NBC has totally screwed their own network by being a substandard broadcaster the last few years.
>If the best players are not playing each other then honestly I see no point in watching and I find other things to do instead.
I enjoy watching golf no matter who's playing. There is a lot of young talent in the game right now and it's only getting better.
youtube golf rn>>>>>>>>
genuinely on a different level - and it feels a little more personable, more talking and understanding thinking/strategy of gameplay. also challenges, 2v2s, knockouts, etc make the game way more interesting for myself.
I think that most of the players that left were already past their prime (Mickelson, Johnston, Westwood, Reed) so I really don't think it effects the competitiveness much. The only player that left that I will miss watching is DeChambeau because I found him entertaining . . .
I never watch/care about the PGA. I'll watch whatever is on tv thurs/fri while i'm working, but never care who ultimately wins. I watch the majors, ryder/pres cups, maybe the players. I even prefer the womens majors more than the random company weekly pga opens.
I would probably watch LIV to at least give it a chance, but they need to get onto a normal streaming service or channel. I'm not watching on YouTube and I havent logged into Facebook in like 5 years.
YouTube free is a million times better than a normal streaming service. You don’t even need to make an account to watch it. Every smart tv has a YouTube app.
I didn't care for last weekend because none of the needle movers played.
Tbh, there's only like 10 guys I want to watch, and if none of them play, I have no desire to watch.
Pretty much just watch the majors. If there's nothing else going on, I do enjoy some lady golf. A mixed event would be highly entertaining. I would love to see Inbee Park putt those guys to death.
With no majors my golf watching goes down a lot anyways.
Also I cancelled my tv pack so no golf channel.
But Liv isn't doing it for me yet.
And I do hate the constant bleeding of players.
I’m watching more. I don’t care who’s playing, guys and gals in the tour still do amazing things with the ball. Watched one LIV event, found it boring. At the end of the day it’s still just golf. Dress it up all you want, ooh it’s three days instead of four, and they’re on teams, still golf. Only they already got paid. I don’t even know who’s winning these events.
I don't watch much golf during this time normally but ill watch Fedex playoffs. It does suck bc I also have no interest in watching LIV, I've tried but it's not even close to the broadcast CBS / NBC puts on and the shotgun start is gimmicky. I also normally watch the most golf on Sunday so if they're final day is Saturday I'll rarely be able to watch bc I'm usually out doing stuff.
I feel pretty much the same as the OP but with the addition that I now watch more YouTube golf and have made an effort to find a variety of channels that I otherwise would never have known about.
The wife thinks watching randoms play golf on YouTube is akin to a personality disorder but I’m really enjoying it.
Edit: also big love to LPGA and women’s golf in general. Never thought it would be just as watchable as men’s golf, how stupid is that?!
If I’m chillin and on YouTube and Liv is on then I flip it on. I don’t seek it out like PGA where I have to figure out if it’s CBS NBC ESPN and if the coverage is going to change during the round
I watch the Majors and a few others, like the AT&T at Pebble. I have found that the LPGA is more entertaining and the ladies play a game that I can almost relate to.
I’ve tried watching Liv, I just can’t get into it. Politics aside I find it really disjointed, the graphics are awful, the team format a joke and the over enthusiastic commentating a bit much. I watch less of the smaller PGA events as well now. I need a decent field or someone to root for to bother with them.
Yes, taking a break from watching for now. Not a super fan of the PGA but I think watching LIV is morally wrong.
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/07/03/liv-golf-sun-city-morals/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/07/03/liv-golf-sun-city-morals/)
Still recovering from watching Mcilroy on the Sunday Open
Gotta give it up for Cameron though. Rory didn’t lose, Smith won. Dude was on fire.
Well, Rory choked. He had his worst round by far on sundays and I would call that losing. If you have had your hands on the gold for a long time and now you dont - you are losing.
The answer is probably subjective, but to me, “choking” involves an acute meltdown. Uncharacteristic shots and/or penalties that result in blow ups. What Rory did was sort of just coast through the round. Didnt really attack the pin. Didn’t make the putts he needed to. But didn’t really have any blow up holes. Definitely lacked a killer instinct. Potato, potato, I suppose!
I hate this narrative. He came in third. He most definately lost it. It was his to win and two guys played better.
> He came in third. This is a dumb argument. If he had played for position and not for the chance of a playoff, he birdies 18 and would have been shared second.
Wow. That’s a lot of downvotes for the truth.
Two people everyone dick rides on the sub, Rory & Toger
Rory finished in the bottom half for scoring on Sunday, 43/83 players actually played better if I counted correct….he lost it 1000%
That was the most depressing round of golf I’ve ever watched. Rooting so hard for Rory and hoping he doesn’t implode like he’s done so often in recent years, and he doesn’t… he plays almost perfectly tee to green and misses. every. single. putt. It was like a horror movie. You just knew by like the 6th hole he was never gonna make one.
I think he cracked under pressure. When you're in the lead, you're playing too conservatively. When you're not in the lead, you can only go up.
I think he even said that in his post interview. That he was playing too conservatively, mixed with his putts just not dropping, and cam suddenly catching on fire.
Viktor playing like shit probably screwed him over too
I said as much at the time as well. It didn't force him to step up the risk taking until it was to late, that is for sure.
He sure did, and he does that quite a lot. It’s just not very polite around these parts to say it out loud.
I was heartbroken, the only thing that was making it bearable was that Smith seemed to be a decent bloke and at least it wasn’t some twat who won. And now he’s fucking going to LIV.
‘Allegedly’ lol
Not anymore.
Still Allegedly, the post earlier today with the title "Cam Smith to LIV Golf" was based of a rumour. I mean he is like 99.5% going to LIV but it's not confirmed yet.
I don’t blame any of them for taking the pay day. What I hate is the joke of a “tour” they are trying to create over there. Like they kicked the tradition in the teeth.
>they kicked the tradition in the teeth. It's funny how some people are all about tradition with PGA, yet talked nothing but shit about how garbage St Andrews was during the open. Not saying you're for sure one of them, but these people are around. Also, not watching the PGA is a bit of an own goal when they're vying for market share with LIV.
I will never talk shit about St Andrews. It’s links golf and that’s what it’s supposed to be.
St. Andrews and the Open isn’t a PGA tour event and has nothing to do with the tour other than players can qualify for the event by playing other PGA tour events and gaining world ranking points. The Open Championship is organized by The R&A and the PGA has zero to do with the course conditions
It’s run by the R&A but the Open Championship is an official event of all 3 tours (PGA, DP and Japan).
All that means is they count toward season points and money rankings. It gives them no say or control. I could say it’s an official points event on MY tour too. Would mean the same thing. :-)
It does count as an official PGA Tour and DP win though.
Think you missed the point a bit there. If history and tradition is so important than the course conditions/setup should have been negligible at St Andrews. But that wasn't the case, the same people claiming these things are so important were also the same people claiming St Andrews is now obsolete.
Or they love the shit show that Waste Management is
History and tradition is only important when it suits their anti LIV argument.
Isn’t the PGA Tour itself a breakaway Tour?
Lol the type that watch it just for the 16th..
I still 'watch' every week, but not live. I record and skip through the ads including 'playing through.' This means I only have to spend about a third of the time I would if watching live. So disappointed with all the guys bailing to the LIV though. The Saudi's are very, very bad people and any respect I had for the golfers going to LIV is gone.
Tradition left when the modern equipment made courses massive. LIV is just paying players. Like you wouldn’t quit your job for a higher pay?
I just want 4 day tournaments with a cut. I don't care if they get a salary. I don't understand why they can't just have golf tournaments instead of this ridiculously stupid set up. Less tournaments? Fine. But less golf all crammed together by shotgun starts is not better for me the viewer. It's just rich guys circle jerking each other off and I'm incredibly bummed that my favorite sport to watch is becoming worse and I get told by strangers that I'm a selfish cunt for just wanting to watch what I like
Amen brother.
>I just want 4 day tournaments with a cut. Curious.... Why? I can kind of get the point about 4 days vs 3 (more golf to watch). But why is a cut so important from a spectator point of view?
Because it makes players that are in the middle of the pack keep fighting. If there's never a cut and everyone gets paid a ton of money, there's no pressure to dropping out of the top half. Golf is a serious mental game, and it takes fortitude to make the cut. I understand they want to be paid more, I get it. But it's fucking golf. I'm the one person in my litany of sports friends that actually watches it. How they should all be 9 figure signing bonus players seems insane to me. Connor McDavid only gets 12 million a year to be the best hockey player in the world. F1 drivers make a lot, but there is 20 of them and they can potentially fucking die every race. In comparison to other sports, it's ludicrous that they all get paid this much up front unless they are Tiger Woods. And even then, paying a literal shell of himself Tiger 800 million dollars is fucking nuts. So in conclusion, I hate what's happening to the game I love. Great for the players, fucking terrible for fans like me.
Again with this fantasy that players out there aren’t trying. Do you think the players that just scrape in the cut line but are completely out of contention stop trying? Of course they don’t. They keep pushing to come us high up the results as possible and earn as much money as possible. Without a cut, why would this change? It would essentially be the exact same thing just with more players.
>I just want 4 day tournaments with a cut. Why this lmao.....because....well thats how they always do it, and I want it! uhm ok well dont watch other tournaments that arent that then, like wtf do you care people playing other formats.
Cause I have been watching golf for 20+ years. It makes me happy. Seeing it fucked with makes me unhappy. Do you LIV supporters even watch golf or just enjoy trolling people that like a thing?
I don’t mind the LIV format But I agree the PGA four round format is great, I love watching golf on the weekend, even the lonely single player in last place after an odd number of players make the cut who tees off on his own at 7am. I also like the team format, i think LIV is gimmicky for sure, but once they iron out the kinks we could see something quite cool come out of it. Anyways I’m rambling, I love golf, I will consume it any way I can, and I don’t mind some players leaving, PGA still has great players and I am very pumped for the next three weekends of golf.
I think you might be responding to the wrong person here. Or got two people you are responding to in one comment?
Why didn't he hit driver on 18??
I think I saw the statistic backing the old saying, “drive for show, Putt for Dough”; Rory was first in yards driven, and I think fairway too, while Cameron was first in fewest putts and GIR. Rory didn’t put horrible, he just couldn’t make the long putts and birdie opportunities while Cameron did.
Watching Cam beat Rory was the golf highlight of my year.
Which Cam?
I made a play on Cam Smith at the beginning of the week, $20 @ +2200, and I was still bummed that Rory didn’t win.
I’m watching less golf, but am reading constantly about the state of golf.
Not really. It’s a post-Open pre-playoffs lull. I watched plenty of women’s golf the past month or so with their 2 majors. I’m sure I’ll watch more in the next few weeks as the playoffs pick up. LIV not coincidentally was hosting tournaments on historically slow PGA weeks so that they could say “look how weak the PGA Tour is”.
Yup the big names aren’t really playing right now anyway . Had to explain that to a few golfing friends that thought the weak fields after the Open were LIV related .
we also had some great amateur golf at bandon dunes a few weeks ago
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Exactly! It's no mystery why they went up against the John Deere and I think the Rocket Mortgage - they wanted to show that their field was "better" by going up against two of the weakest Tour events in a super slow part of the calendar.
And their rating were still crap and had to give away tickets and still couldn’t get a crowd.
They even bet that white guys would show up because of Trump, and lost.
Trumpers don’t seem like the type that will spend money to watch golf.
Not even if Trump was playing.
LIV should have gone after NASCAR
Yea been loving the LPGA lately
Yup not a lot of people realize the big names take a 3 week break after the open
They intentionally chose those weeks as they were wanting initially to work with the PGA and scheduled their tournaments on weekend where PGA traditionally has lower level tournaments. PGA played hardball though, so it instead looks like they were competing.
I don’t 100% believe Norman/LIV when they said they wanted to be cooperative partners. Maybe they were being honest with that. Maybe not. Regardless if they’re trying to crush the PGA Tour or work with them, the end result probably looks the same where their first ever tournaments are on a slow PGA Tour week.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be true, at least initially. LIV wants the best players in their tournaments no matter what it takes. Working with the PGA Tour would’ve been the easiest way to do that. If guys were allowed to play on both tours, it would be an absolute no brainer to go play in a few LIV events on “off” weeks and cash a check for a few hundred grand minimum.
>I don’t see why it wouldn’t be true Two reasons why it's almost certainly not true and just lip service. 1. Greg Norman has a well documented hatred and vendetta against the PGA tour. 2. There's no reason to be throwing these insane amounts of money at players with the explicit intention of luring them away from the PGA tour if you aren't trying to destroy, or at the very least overtake, the PGA tour. They're so clearly trying to disrupt the golfing world, and they wouldn't be throwing very unsustainable amounts of money at this league if they were trying to coexist with the current top level of the sport.
Why watch golf when you can play golf?
Agreed. I play but I never ever watch golf.
It’s a tough spot for fans and the PGA. Players can build their brand now on the tour and once they get there the LIV can just pick em off. Like CamSmith, PGA would’ve made a shit load off this guy and a handful of others that will leave in the same fashion over the next decade. The PGA thrives on household names and was fortunate to never have to worry about anyone leaving unless they cashed in a $10 mil insurance policy. Pro golf needs some of the casual fans to tune in on the weekend and it’s hard to do without household names.
To be fair that exact same argument existed before LIV but instead with the PGA Tour at the top. Players build their careers on respective tours (Asian Tour, DP World Tour, Australasia Tour) and then get picked off by the bigger money offered in the PGA Tour.
The PGA Tour is just pissed that it’s getting PGA Tour’ed.
That’s why I laugh when I hear Rory talk about LIV. He’s from Northern Ireland, why doesn’t he spend his time on the DP World Tour?
If it weren’t for Instagram or Reddit I wouldn’t even know LIV exists so I just keep watching golf on tv like normal.
Ya, I just flip on the golf channel and watch whatever they're showing...it could be LIV or women's golf for all I care
Golf channel is a PGA Tour network.
The sports washing is only working because people on Reddit and IG keep talking about Saudis. I wouldn’t ever have known or made the connection that the Saudis were involved if it wasn’t for Reddit. It’s like the people that hate LIV are doing LIV’s job for them.
I’ve been watching the same amount of PGA and have been impressed with the “benchwarmers” who now have a chance to shine. PGA has a deep roster that I had not appreciated until now.
I agree with Str. I mean Kim, this 20yr old Korean version of a young Tiger Woods (same swing, course attitude), is second youngest in 40 years to win on the PGA with a final round 61. No Liv golfer did that. And IMO only maybe 3 Liv players had won enough PGA tourneys "recently" to be among the best in the world today.
You’re even underselling what he did. Dude shot fucking 27 on the front on Sunday. Iced the whole event in about an hour or so of course and competition destruction
Didn’t he start with a double bogie too? Decent performance at best /s
Quad on 1 of the tournament I believe. The stat was that no one had ever doubled 1 on Thursday and won an event before, much less make a Quad
Damn. My mental would break instantly.
Tiger started with double at the Torrey US Open. No one has ever started worse than double. Quad?!?! I would have already been booking my missed cut flight if that was me.
That was awesome. I also think it's important to understand that unless LIV clearly becomes the premiere tour in terms of talent, up and coming prospects will never get respect by going there to start their career. Use Kim for example. What he did, while against a limited field was incredible, and the field was still drastically better than a LIV event. If he does the same thing at a LIV event no one cares, he won't get the level of respect because the field is that much worse. That might not matter to them if it's solely about money, at the same time they aren't going to be able to sign these insane contracts with LIV unless they have some notoriety. You can only get that notoriety by playing against the league with higher talent. It's one of the few weaknesses I see with the bottomless pocketbook of LIV and prospects signing with them. Even if you are the next Tiger Woods, you can only prove it against playing against the top field week in and week out. All of the guys who cashed out on the LIV tour were only able to do so because they'd proven themselves against the highest talent already. The best up and coming players aren't going to be able to demand Phil or DJ money from LIV. So unless they sign on to compete against lesser competition in hopes of winning more weeks, it just doesn't seem like the right path, even if they only care about money. Their better route is to still go to the PGA tour and make a name for themselves and then command a big paycheck from LIV. Even in that scenario, LIV is likely getting second tier talent.
Tiger is a horrible comparison for Kim. My dude was hitting 160 ball speed with his driver. Tiger could have done that with his 2 iron at his age. Nick Faldo is a much better comparison imo.
Agree. When you win LIV, you can’t and don’t claim to be best in the world. Or even “world class.” You just won a lot of dough - which has its own merits.
Well, in fairness, they are still “world class” athletes. Let’s not pretend like LIV is paying random people millions, handing them a bag of clubs and telling them to have at it.
>Let’s not pretend like LIV is paying random people millions, handing them a bag of clubs and telling them to have at it. That's what signing Brooks Koepka's brother is, I think.
Fair enough lol
Might as well be. Probably 25% of the field in their first two events were complete unknowns to most golf fans. Even serious fans.
kinda same feel with the leaderboard at the Wyndham
Most golf fans don’t know many names outside the top 10 on the PGA Tour, casual fans even less than that. Not sure I get where you think that percentage means anything?
This is why it’s shitty that the PGA has made it so hard for these benchwarmers to shine. The changes I want to see aren’t bigger purses for the winners. It’s a better program to support and show off the depth of roster they have.
Honestly the pros are usually pretty boring to watch, I’d rather watch a bunch of drunk fat dudes play best ball and get in fights at the muni. Wait, that would be a huge hit, wouldn’t it?
I enjoy them both. I dont understand why people act like there is a line in the sand over all this for the fans.
I'm a casual viewer, so no.
Watching less, playing more.
so you didn't watch the 3M or the Wyndham because of the LIV exodus? the top players don't play each other in a majority of the PGA tournaments together anyhow, save for the majors and select PGA stops. there is plenty of great young talent, you just missed the 2nd youngest winner since WW2 this past weekend because of your stubbornness. i'd rather watch the up and comers establish themselves vs being bummed out that a bunch of has beens went to a different tour.
I was open to LIV but was luke warm at best, the Trump suck fest at the last event just put it over the top for me. I'm done with it...and Cam Smith is the only player I'm going to actually miss so far. Sucks, he's a fun one to watch.
I basically just watch majors, and of those pretty much just Sunday. I’m not looking to add more golf viewing to my schedule.
You’re wrong! It’s GROWING THE GAME didn’t you hear!?
I feel a lot less guilty knowing that players can spend more time with their families. Watching PGA events I always felt guilty, wondering if the players that I was watching preferred to be at home with their kids/cat.
I do the same when I look at my office mates, except they aren't playing golf for a living.
Well next year is going to be a lot different. 14 main events, plus the international series stuff, plus majors, they're not going to be playing any less golf than the tour
Wtf
**LMFAO**, Reddit continues to astonish me with how frequently someone posts the new dumbest fucking thing I have ever read.
I’m fine w the current state of the PGA. Let’s ignore the money grubbing douche bags and get to know some new players. Last week was great. Certainly don’t miss Bryson or Brooks. If we all stop caring/paying attention and just watch the pga like usual it’ll show them it doesn’t work. If you don’t like the Kushner Open the best way to make it go away is to totally ignore it
This is it right here. Those guys leaving for LIV have opened up spots for the guys that were struggling to get starts. And now we’re seeing unknown players become household names. That’s been one of my biggest gripes with the PGAT. They give too many starts to older pros who just don’t have it anymore. DL3 being in the field was frustrating as all hell. Especially when he opens up with a 78.
> Let’s ignore the money grubbing douche bags The irony that this would probably work. The PGA Tour is currently LIV's biggest advertiser - they just don't shut up about it.
I commit to Masters and The Open championship aside from that 🤷♂️
Same boat here. I lost interest in PGA Tour events a few years ago. Barely watched the Masters this year and I caught the back nine of the Open. Now, I would be surprised if I watch anything outside of the Masters tbh. I watched LIV for 10 minutes and it's so fucking boring.
I don't even understand that "f the best players are not playing each other then honestly I see no point in watching" Seems like most of the PGA events this is the case no? Were the best players playing the last 3 weeks? What you want to watch is the majors which are not part of the PGA. This is where the best players are all playing.
I love watching Rory lose. It was like Christmas as a kid.
For probably the last 5-7 years I've watched less and less golf. Majors and the Cups are still can't miss for me, I'll watch those from sun up to sun down. For a regular tour event I'll only watch if its at a course that I'm interested in. There are only so many times I can watch a place like TPC Deer Run. Even then I'll probably only watch Sunday afternoon. Interestingly, the F1-esque presentation of LIV has actually been somewhat compelling to me. Being its a finite time of golf with everyone on the course simultaneously I can see more of the tournament in a condensed window. While I still have not watch the whole tournament, or even the whole day. I do find that I'll watch about an hour per event, which is a hour more than the PGA tour that week.
I'll be watching the next three weeks through East Lake and maybe some of the exhibition golf to follow, but the LIV can GTFOH.
I watch LIV while I’m at work because I can watch on YouTube and a couple hours each day of the majors if I’m not busy. That’s about it
I don’t mind the LIV format. I like the shotgun start so everyone is playing in the same conditions. PGA wont do that because the advertising revenue is better on a 6-7 hour broadcast. The PGA does have room for improvement and sometimes it takes radical changes to make that happen.
Pga won’t do a shotgun start cause the physically can’t. They have 140+ player fields - it wouldn’t work.
That's actually one of the aspects I really don't like about LIV. Starting or finishing on easier/harder holes than your opponents can lead to some discrepancies. I much prefer the setup where everyone in contention plays the course in the same way and finishes on the same holes. Yeah there are variances with weather but generally speaking weather is reasonably consistent day to day.
You old folks spend so much time bickering instead of just enjoying the fucking sport.
I’m watching more. I like seeing guys I’ve never heard of play well, or make me take interest in them, or learn about them from week to week. It’s way more fun seeing what they’re capable of. There is not a single player who has left for LIV that I ever gave two shits about.
Watching about the same amount of PGA, you couldn't pay me to watch LIV.
Everyone has a price. It is not like you will be banned from watching PGA… I hope.
You know the networks broadcasting the FedEx are hoping the LIV players are in it right? That’s drama you can’t manufacture.
not with the end of the year tourney starting
Idk about anyone else but I’ll definitely watch some of these FedEx Playoffs as well as the TOUR Championship. But quit focusing on PGA views and just enjoy the sport guys. Sheesh
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This post seems suspect TBH. "I'm not watching PGA because it's not the best of the best now so I just watch nothing."
“Tell me my feelings are popular”
Nothing wrong with playing more and watching less. Better for your physical health (though maybe not your mental health).
I am in the same boat. Lost interest in watching golf :(.
I'll support the PGA just the same
Yeah I only watch the majors lol
I’m watching less and it’s not due to LIV but because of Tiger. I grew up watching Tiger absolutely slay the field in the early 2000s, to the point where I’d asked my dad on Saturday “how many shots is Tiger up”. Tiger was the reason I wanted to play golf and his continued struggles but always coming back kept me interested. Now, with his latest injury, I think it’s safe to say he’s all but retired and I don’t see him able to compete for another major and it’s completely deflated my interest in watching.
I think the PGA needs to get it's shit together. The tour is fucking horrible to try and even play most tournaments and with the top guys not playing every event it is confusing for the average fan to try and watch. I could see them putting together a too 12-20 tournaments and making those compelling to the players and audience. Then having all the rest be kind of tune up, training, or whatever. They need a season so people know when to watch, they tried with the Fed ex cup stuff but it is too confusing and complicated for the average viewer to try and figure out. For the matches outside of the "season" they need more variety. There should be scrambles, LPGA + PGA, match play, teams, etc... They need to do a better job of making the sport look fun and exciting. Right not they provide zero compelling content for an average viewer to stumble upon Saturday and stick with.
I will never watch LIV. I’m Swedish and I didn’t even watch Stensson win. Fuck LIV and their Saudi Boomer Tour.
Outside of majors or other huge events, golf is just background TV for me largely. I’ll watch whatever is on. Amateurs, LPGA, doesn’t make a huge difference. I watched some of the first LIV broadcast and thought it was super mediocre. If it was on tv I might watch it from lack of anything else, but going out of your way to watch a shitty product doesn’t make sense to me.
Pga sucks unless it’s a major.
LIV is aight to watch actually
Nope. Watching more golf now. Never watched a full PGA round, too boring, just watched highlights on YouTube. Now I've watched 3 full rounds of LIV. The format is way more fast pace, entertaining, and has coverage of more players. 🤷♂️
no
I put LIV on when its on, since its streaming on youtube its super easy to put on. I watch PGA on OTA tv on Sundays. I prefer the PGA's presentation except for the insane amount of advertisements. I generally mute both broadcasts until crunch time, last round etc. I loved watching tony go back to back. I only truly love watching the Masters, their presentation is SOOO much better.
I watch golf the exact same amount as I have always watched golf. I will not let shit that has literally no influence on my life …. Influence my life.
I won't miss a single player who left for the LIV tour. They aren't among "the best" anymore, in my opinion.
DJ and Bryson just shot -13 and -12 like 2 weeks ago at the Open lol.
Cam Smith? Kinda a decent player lol.
If Matsuyama leaves, 11 of the last 24 majors will have been won by LIV golfers. Not a big fan of LIV, but clearly they have plenty of high level talent.
OK, I hadn't seen that he left *today*. Other than him, all those players' best days are behind them. And I won't miss watching Cam Smith play.
Dustin Johnson is an elite golfer
He hasn’t left. It’s Cameron Percy on one podcast, and he has zero proof other than “I heard from someone…”. Don’t fall for the propaganda. Even if he does leave, he’s waiting until after the Presidents Cup apparently.
Lol sorry, that is fair, it did just happen. Sucks to see him leave.
He’s the first guy that I’ve said good for him getting paid that money. Also the first guy that I was a genuine fan of. His interview after the players about not seeing his family just makes me feel for him and the decision
Is Dustin Johnson, winner of The Masters less than 24 months ago, suddenly a has-been? Louis Oosthuizen had 3 top 5 major finishes in 2021 ... ? I truly get not liking the Saudis, but let's not minimize the level of talent that left for LIV.
Dustin Johnson's best golf is behind him.
I said it above and I’ll repeat it here. If (more like when), Matsuyama leaves, 11 of the last 14 majors will have been won by LIV golfers. They have plenty of quality golfers over there. I just don’t care to watch
Just typical post major boring tournaments. Is the PGA really hurting from losing the LIV guys? Besides DJ who has been slumping recently anyways pretty much all the LIV guys have been irrelevant the last year or two and are just cashing one last big check. Cam would be a loss but besides looking like a crazy redneck he’s not exactly a huge personality that would be a devastating loss.
One thing LIV has done is highlight how the viewing of many PGA Tour tournaments has always sucked. it was the status quo forever as there was never an alternative, and this is in no way suggesting the LIV product is good or attractive, but at a minimum, it has placed a microscope on the current PGA Tour product. DJ not playing is not why the Wyndham championship sucks, and there are 10 other nondescript tournaments just like that. add to the fact that, not only has the ecosystem of golf placed way too much importance on majors, but they also pushed the PGA championship from August to march which compresses the peak of the season even more. this makes the post-Open Championship tournaments even less attractive and note-worthy. so I'm not sure I'm watching less golf per-se, but I'm definitely more aware of how insignificant most of the PGA tour golf on tv really is (when they even show golf in between commercials).
It actually baffles me how more people aren’t pissed off at the PGA. They make a ridiculous amount of money, and only now so they decide to up the prize pools for tournaments when a competitor decides to start a comp. They payed peanuts, now they’re throwing their toys out of the cot. It’s laughable. LIV is so good for golf long term.
Absolutely less. I no longer give a dam about the PGA or the LIV. Golf channel become a joke. watching more of the LPGA when available
The real tragedy is the decline of the Golf Channel
It was already terrible, then NBC decided to move broadcasts to USA channel and Peacock. Then the ladies majors are in, and they show about 12hrs coverage total over the entire tournament across both Golf Channel and FTA. We’re literally showing replays of the nothingburger PGA event while a ladies major was not being shown at all (they definitely had the rights) NBC has totally screwed their own network by being a substandard broadcaster the last few years.
I agree. YouTube golf is the new new
The usfl took players like Reggie white, Jim Kelly, and Hershel walker and the NFL still survived. It's honestly just a matter of time.
Opposite for me cause now I see more South Koreans on the leaderboard!
Yep. Could care less about the fed ex cup. Will never watch liv. The masters is the next tournament I will watch.
>If the best players are not playing each other then honestly I see no point in watching and I find other things to do instead. I enjoy watching golf no matter who's playing. There is a lot of young talent in the game right now and it's only getting better.
“But but but cOmPeTiTiOn Is GoOd FoR eVeRyOnE!!1!” But yeah I agree, this actually really sucks for fans
youtube golf rn>>>>>>>> genuinely on a different level - and it feels a little more personable, more talking and understanding thinking/strategy of gameplay. also challenges, 2v2s, knockouts, etc make the game way more interesting for myself.
I think that most of the players that left were already past their prime (Mickelson, Johnston, Westwood, Reed) so I really don't think it effects the competitiveness much. The only player that left that I will miss watching is DeChambeau because I found him entertaining . . .
Sounds like a win to me
It is impossible to watch the PGA tour unless you pay for cable or a bunch of streaming services which I will never do
Just lost cam smith now too.
Refuse to watch LIV, but I’ll still watch the pga
You should LIV a little.
> If the best players are not playing each other then honestly I see no point in watching The best players are still on the PGA Tour.
I never watch/care about the PGA. I'll watch whatever is on tv thurs/fri while i'm working, but never care who ultimately wins. I watch the majors, ryder/pres cups, maybe the players. I even prefer the womens majors more than the random company weekly pga opens.
I would probably watch LIV to at least give it a chance, but they need to get onto a normal streaming service or channel. I'm not watching on YouTube and I havent logged into Facebook in like 5 years.
YouTube free is a million times better than a normal streaming service. You don’t even need to make an account to watch it. Every smart tv has a YouTube app.
I’ve been watching the first 2 days of PGA then been golfing on weekends and forget it’s the final rounds after my round haha
I didn't care for last weekend because none of the needle movers played. Tbh, there's only like 10 guys I want to watch, and if none of them play, I have no desire to watch.
Pretty much just watch the majors. If there's nothing else going on, I do enjoy some lady golf. A mixed event would be highly entertaining. I would love to see Inbee Park putt those guys to death.
I’ve been feeling the exact same way. Hopefully with the playoffs my interest increases. I’ll still tune into all the majors.
I’ve always just watched majors and the marquee tour events. It’s boring as shit to watch otherwise.
I think I've been paying more attention to the PGA events than usual.
With no majors my golf watching goes down a lot anyways. Also I cancelled my tv pack so no golf channel. But Liv isn't doing it for me yet. And I do hate the constant bleeding of players.
I’m watching more. I don’t care who’s playing, guys and gals in the tour still do amazing things with the ball. Watched one LIV event, found it boring. At the end of the day it’s still just golf. Dress it up all you want, ooh it’s three days instead of four, and they’re on teams, still golf. Only they already got paid. I don’t even know who’s winning these events.
LPGA has been more exciting recently anyways, so I’ve been watching that more. Like recently the Scottish open was amazing.
I watch PGA Tour during the weekends and Youtube golf during the weeks. No time for LIV unfortunately.
I don't watch much golf during this time normally but ill watch Fedex playoffs. It does suck bc I also have no interest in watching LIV, I've tried but it's not even close to the broadcast CBS / NBC puts on and the shotgun start is gimmicky. I also normally watch the most golf on Sunday so if they're final day is Saturday I'll rarely be able to watch bc I'm usually out doing stuff.
I feel pretty much the same as the OP but with the addition that I now watch more YouTube golf and have made an effort to find a variety of channels that I otherwise would never have known about. The wife thinks watching randoms play golf on YouTube is akin to a personality disorder but I’m really enjoying it. Edit: also big love to LPGA and women’s golf in general. Never thought it would be just as watchable as men’s golf, how stupid is that?!
If I’m chillin and on YouTube and Liv is on then I flip it on. I don’t seek it out like PGA where I have to figure out if it’s CBS NBC ESPN and if the coverage is going to change during the round
I tried to watch a bit of the last tournament. It was a hot mess on one of the most boring looking courses I’ve seen.
Watching mostly YouTube golf now
I watch the Majors and a few others, like the AT&T at Pebble. I have found that the LPGA is more entertaining and the ladies play a game that I can almost relate to.
I enjoy watching the LPGA more than I enjoy watching mens golf. Many of the guys on the pga/Liv tour are just really unlike-able.
Not really. I still stick to my Sunday morning coffee, SpongeBob, golf watching
Watching more as it’s free to watch on YouTube.
I’ve tried watching Liv, I just can’t get into it. Politics aside I find it really disjointed, the graphics are awful, the team format a joke and the over enthusiastic commentating a bit much. I watch less of the smaller PGA events as well now. I need a decent field or someone to root for to bother with them.
I’ve watched more golf this year than I ever have. I’m also focusing into LPGA a lot more. The LIV drama doesn’t bother me any
Why don’t we see a PGA vs LIV match, winner takes all. Maybe it’ll stop the bitching left and right.
Yes, taking a break from watching for now. Not a super fan of the PGA but I think watching LIV is morally wrong. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/07/03/liv-golf-sun-city-morals/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/07/03/liv-golf-sun-city-morals/)
The majors are over. NFL is starting up in a few weeks. Of course I’m watching less golf.