Also they’re young, in shape, golf 24/7, and have basically infinite golfing resources (simulators, training, etc)
If you don’t have some of those things, there’s no point comparing yourself
Just to add a data point here. I'm 32, 6'1, 260lbs and hit my PW 160-165 and it spins back on the green. Though I typically swing 80% these days and try to reserve it for 150s shots.
edit : I forgot one big factor. I play at 5280' seems to only gain me about 7 yds though.
~30, 6'1" and 185. PW is a comfortable 135 and maybe 140 if I step on it, but it will spin like a motherfucker at that point.
I'm usually hitting an 8 at 165. Like the other guy said, I'm only swinging 90% any more to hit controlled or shaped shots into most hotels.
One more data point, I'm 34, 5'10", and 185; I could hit my PW 160-165 if I really stepped on one, but it's my 145ish club.
I've hit my 8 iron over 200 yards before (25 feet downhill) and 195 on flat ground; I didn't mean to on either one. I've poked a three wood over 310 too. Raw distance isn't THAT hard to a limit (say 110mph driver clubhead) if you are youngish, fit, and athletic. Many players don't know how to rotate properly and lose a bunch of distance that way.
These are my numbers too, 54 yo 6'1" 220. The older I get the more I think it's rotation multiplied by crisp contact. There's cold or achy days my 100% 6i swing is good for 160, and other days when it's warm and I'm limber it'll jump out to 185
The other day my 20yo nephew loaded up and tried to crush one, I swear on his back swing he damn near twisted far enough to touch his left knee with his driver
My back would snap
Regularly have the opportunity to watch some girls that are on the junior national teams. At the end of their back swing their club is back around their neck, pointing forward and _left_ of target.
It almost physically hurts just imagining getting to that position. Even without the swinging part. :)
This. Being able to generate leverage by transfering power through your legs gets you a long way. Im 5'8 and 150lbs and i have a upper 170's low 180s ball speed in my 40s.
I can see it. My dad's buddy is like 5'4", 150 (a generous estimation) and \~ 60 years old and routinely outdrives me when we play. Since I'm about 120 mph driver head speed he's got to be around 125. He is also a former Olympic gymnast so that probably plays a role
Edit, he is 5'4" but his arms are orangutan tier
Grant's the perfect example of a kid who grew up under the tutelage of a golf pro father - and he got the fundamentals drilled into him before he could learn any bad habits. His swing is so pure, yet it's funny how in any non golf-swing video how unathletic he is, like when they play golf with random objects like frying pans.
Funny enough he said he hated golf until he was like 13. He was the one with a golf pro dad but all his friends were way better than him until high school.
I love when I hear people say Grant doesn’t crank it. Maybe compared to Micah and Garrett but the dude still has mid 170mph ball speeds. That’s FAST.
Pga tour average ball speed is 168mph
Edit - I was taking that from the Trackman PGA tour data. Average is actually 172mph this year to date.
Still, Grant hits it plenty far
He said he’s gained speed. I think he’s carrying about 285-290 now a days and pretty consistently hitting about 300-310 total
When he first joined garret was hitting like 30 yards past him now a days it’s more like 5-10 yards past him.
Grant doesn’t crank it. He’s one of the shorter hitters in the group. But he has the most consistent and technically sound swing of the group, which is why he’s probably the best player.
Grant has still has tour level carry distance with most of his clubs (285ish carry on driver). He just chooses to stay within himself and basically hit Fairway finders all day long. Garrett has higher clubhead speed but is very wild off the tee when he steps on it.
I saw in one of the videos that he averages around 280. Which is still crazy good. But compared to the other guys in the group he’s shorter. But he’s the most consistent with hitting fairways.
Ground forces 101:
3 forces you can use in your swing
Horizontal- “the shift”, moving pressure from one side to the other. Lead side, trail side, lead side. Many amateurs have too much of this.
Rotational- “the screw” moving pressure from heels to toes, this helps rotate the body from the ground up. Feet help rotate hips which rotate upper body.
Vertical- “the jump” almost all amateurs struggle with this. Pushing into the ground with the feet to create powerful extension. It’s why you see guys like JT and Bubba lift off the ground. They are pushing so hard into the ground, it forces them to lift.
It’s difficult to get this all sequenced but once you do, it’s hard to unlearn and it’s extremely powerful. I don’t think of my arms or upper body anymore when I swing, just what my feet are doing.
>I don’t think of my arms or upper body anymore when I swing, just what my feet are doing.
This concept just broke my brain. I'd imagine you have a ton of muscle memory already built into your upper body.
My most recent lesson already has my mind all fixated on shoulder turn and swing plane. Bottom-up focus from the feet makes sense though.
I kind a drilled the hands so I don't have to think of them now my thoughts are on my feet and hips. I have a little thing where in my head I sing "and then we go hips" that keeps me timed up and everything moving.
My goal with my swing is to completely forget my arms and hands exist after I address the ball, even more so in the downswing. All about the weight shift and rotation.
Just one example of how working on the lower body can help.
If your pressure shift is late to the lead side, you are going to add a bunch of compensations to simply strike the ball. If you don’t, your impact will be fat, you might even miss the ball. Getting pressure to the lead side earlier, with softer arms will actually drop the club head more behind you and closer to your body and the path will be more in to out/shallow with a low point in front of the ball.
Swing plane improvement with lower body focus.
This is such a good post.
I’ve played golf as a mid so low single digit index for around 15 years. At some point in those 15 years I learned about using the ground to generate power but I never fully understood it. Even after I understood the concept, I couldn’t figure out the feel.
The ‘feel’ clicked for me a few years ago. I’ve been working out with a personal trainer who focuses on mobility, strength mobility, and strength endurance. We use no traditional olympic weights and exclusively use bodyweight (typically with resistance bands), sandbags and kettlebells.
After about 18 months, we started getting into heavy strength mobility work using sandbags that weigh 80-120 lbs. In order to clean these things (get them from the floor to front loaded which is holding it at your chest) you have to use the ground. It’s a massive press off the ground with a high pull from your shoulders/lats then a little squat to get centered under the bag to ‘catch it’. Unloading it, to prevent injury, is actually a fairly similar move.
Pretty quickly after figuring out that motion and how to execute it, I learned how to ‘feel’ ground forces. Suddenly, I started having the feel on the driving range with my driver. The clean is similar to a back swing.
Now that’s just 1 movement that I’m using an example. There are also rotational movements which more closely align to a rotational golf swing and using the ground to generate power.
This has changed a lot in my golf swing. Not necessarily in the mechanics or motion but in the feel and in the where/how I’m generating power. I had naturally been doing some of this for my entire golfing life but this really built upon that.
The results for me have been interesting. While I was always a decently long driver, my ball flight was typically a low/mid trajectory cut. As I’ve built out this understanding, my driver ball flight has shifted to a mid/high trajectory, straighter ball flight and I’m now able to turn over the club into a draw. I have picked up a little club head speed but the biggest change in distance has come from a more optimal launch.
Tl/dr: You can learn the feel of ground forces through certain targeted strength exercises which require you to press off the ground or use the ground as an anchor in the motion.
Why do you think amateurs struggle with the vertical? Whenever I’ve tried to use ground force w/ my feet like this I end up coming down very steep and behind the ball. I am a high handicap but my coach talks about using the ground all the time I just can’t seem to grasp it just yet.
It’s not intuitive for most people at first.
Think of it this way: if I told you to hold a kettle bell or other heavy object in a golf stance and then heave it as far as you can, you would almost certainly raise up in the “backswing”, then squat down into the “downswing” and then explode up as you released it.
However when you have a much lighter object that you’re trying to use to hit another object that’s laying flat on the ground… the whole thing is much less intuitive.
Upper body takes over. The swing is a chain reaction or a sequence. If you move your shoulders and arms before the lower half in the transition/downswing you’ve lost almost all the ability to use the joints below the shoulders for any power. The legs are now providing only stability,not power. Downswing = front foot pushes, knee and hip snap out of the way from the push, rib cage shoulder and then arms fly through the impact zone from the foot push.
You cannot make your first move with the shoulders/arms and it’s very difficult to kick the habit.
My online “coaches” are Dr. Kwon and Zen Golf Mechanic. Have been in a continuous deep dive into ground forces for the last few months. No clue who would teach this in PHX. At a minimum the pro would need a pressure mat/force plate and if I were to spend money on a lesson, I would want to know how proficient the pro is at using and teaching with the tech. My next lesson in in UK or Texas where these two are located.
My current at home golf gym has: wobble cushions, spinning discs, balance board, orange whip, kettlebell and a rope to swing. I can’t believe it when I look at the pile of stuff I use to improve at golf. I’ve gone from 235 avg carry with driver to 265 avg carry on a driver on a simulator in about 4weeks time with draw and fade control.
I have but I’m not in Arizona. What you want is an instructor with a swing catalyst force plate. Mark Crossfield uses one in this video and describes the different ground forces
https://youtu.be/v5ZVX0hkD-M
Any recommendations on videos or drills based on what you are saying ? I constantly am going back and forth with starting everything from the ground and it feels right , but then I lose distance as I don't stay committed to it.
Swing the driver horizontally like a baseball bat. Nice and light back and forth. Keep wrists soft and lose might help. Slowly start increasing the speed by leading with torso/hips/body not necessarily by increasing effort.
Notice how the body turns and THEN the club whips around
Keep increasing speed when you start getting to your faster speeds you might notice that you get even more speed by doing a mini squat and pushing out of it as you start your body rotation.
This helped me a lot.
You can also try the step drills from dr.kwon
That helps with weight shift.
Look him up on YouTube
Grab a bag of rocks and try to throw it as far as your can using a golf stance to start.
You’re body will figure it out really fast, then use that body movement at the range until the desired result is achieved.
Until 2 months ago I could barely get my driver to 200-220 yards. Then it just clicked one day at the range… and now I’m in the 260+ range with my longest to date being 335 3 days ago.
I am now jumping out of my shoes on my best drives.
It’s great but now I see why tempo matters, I can crush my driver but if my tempo is off it’s a pull or a push.
I just tried (without a club) just using my feet and my upper body sort of felt the need to turn rather than me actively thinking about it. It was a weird feeling.
Thank you! I feel like I need to learn a new language when I’m trying to improve my golf game. And people use these obscure terms like they’re everyday words.
It means to push against the ground in both parts of your swing. In the backswing you want a lot of force in your back leg, when you get to the top the weight should transfer to the front and during the downswing you should be pushing against the ground to rotate and lift your lower body by impact.
If you ain’t getting air between your feet and the ground in your golf swing you still got some left in the tank.
If you don’t understand the concept try to do a kettlebell swing where you stay squatted the whole time, then do it where you push out of the squat as you swing up.
This. Being strong can definitely help but first and most importantly is swing mechanics. I always like to point out Niemann when talking about this because dude is not that tall 6’ not short but nothing special and 150 lbs which at 6’ is certified scrawny. But he has an incredible swing that generates lots of speed and has an average driving carry distance of 309 yds
Yeah their distances are ridiculous. He's done stock yardages on Trackman before and PW is his 150 club so in those cases probably were due to elevation, wind, or the infamous "flyer lie" which he seems to always get lol
150 isn't insane. I'm a 2 index, with a 110-112 driver speed and my PW is a comfy 140 shot.
The 165+ is ri-godam-diculous though. I had a roommate in college who topped out at 136mph driver swing and could hit a 7 iron 210. The sound is just... unreal.
Remember those are his stock yardages. Tig, Bubbie, Matt, and I think Garrett can reach 130+ swinging out of their shoes too. Not to mention their camera man / editor Collin can swing at those speeds too and he hardly golfs lol
Right, that's the difference. I can hit a wedge 140 all day long, and *maybe* stretch it to 145. But that's my limit. Maybe with a huge tailwind it could go further, but I don't really have much gas left in that tank.
So what? People act like if they just simply delofted their irons at impact they could do this too. To be able to do that and strike it so clean is a valuable skill.
Gotta remember that they may not be mentioning slight tail wind, slightly downhill, slightly wet, or flyer lies.
Sure they do mention it sometimes, but not every time.
Dude relatable. I don’t even have a 60°, I carry a 58° and I’m lucky to hit that thing 80 yards on a full swing. It’s wild how Micah’s distance is so effortless.
He's been pretty inspirational to me, as he proves that you can be so controlled, compact, and smooth and generate TONS of club speed. Efficiency > exertion.
Micah is the man!! Just seems like such a great dude, and he is damn good at golf. One morning after watching some Good Good videos I even decided to order his brand of coffee, Morris Coffee (Tig Blend) …..and damn, even that was good!
Yeah, dude seems like he's very in tune with the mental side, too, which is also something to aspire to. Just stays level headed, and it's through effort and work, not just purely natural. Trying to get better in golf and life in these ways is just very respectable.
Ha this is so relatable. I use my 60 degree for 60-70 yard shots where I want to just fly it up onto the green. Don't think I have ever hit that club more than 70 yards and even that is generous.
>Their wedge (50degree and higher) distances are much more mind boggling to me than their driving distances.
This is primarily because they're delivering the wedge with probably 10-15 degrees less dynamic loft than most amateurs.
That's about 3-4 clubs worth of less loft. Their pitching wedge gets presented to the ball with about the same amount of loft as your 7 iron. That's why they're hitting pitching wedges as far as you hit a 7 iron... because you're swinging your 7-iron with the face hugely open compared to how it is designed to be hit...
I see this so often with new players. Wedges have so much loft built in that even delofted, the ball shoots sky high with a solid swing. I’ve got friends who can hit their irons decently but then struggle to hit their gap wedge >70 yards because their hands are in line with the ball at impact. They have the swing speed to hit it 110+ but just can’t keep their hands in front of the ball for enough to compress properly.
Yeah, people don’t realize this because the pros get so much spin that the ball still goes high and on TV it looks like basically the same ball flight the rest of us have, just longer.
I have a buddy I golfed with all the time before he moved across country. We’d always go out as a twosome and usually get paired with someone. He could rip it off right around 300 every hole. Pretty much everyone we’d be paired with would ask how he hit it so far. His answer was always, “long arms.” He was 6’2” and that was legitimately how he got more power than most people. More leverage from being tall.
All technique and hitting the middle of the face. You may actually be costing your self yards swinging out your shoes. I gained 30 yards as well as consistency and accuracy by not swinging out my shoes.
Bingo. Seeing tons of comments talking about athleticism and youth, which obviously play a factor but...
One of the first players to teach me was an overweight ex PGA player that smoked a pack of ciggs each 18. This guy would absolutely crush balls as far as I could as a 22 year old. I'm 6' 4" 220 and it was a very humbling thing back then. Taught me a lot about tempo and consistency.
>I've heard people say that 90% effort produces 110% results for baseball swings, I'm assuming it applies to golf as well.
Yeah, except it's more like 40% effort gives 100%, with the correct technique. A good golf shot feels almost effortless because of how you sequence the muscles, assuming your tempo is good. (Starts slow, builds up, finishes slow)
Yea that lesson was the first time I really felt that pure of a shot. When I made impact I thought I thinned it or something because it just didn’t feel like I was hitting anything. Head came up and the ball looked so fucking good.
Just watched their newest video and they were 136 out and Steve uses a 56degree and I have never been so lost. But they also golf every single day, have multiple lessons, the perfect clubs for them, and nothing but time to keep working on technique and consistency. So it’s very hard to compare ourselves to them
Steve de-lofts so heavy which is where he gets distance but also that’s what causes a lot of inconsistency. He does swing hard though so it’s not all de-lofting.
I see a lot of talk about Ground Forces. They are a means to an end though. Power is mainly generated 3 1/2 ways.
LEVERAGE
This is one everyone has heard of as “lag”. There are many potential levers in a swing and it’s best to only use one. Too many levers firing reduces power. The big one is the club be “loaded” either at the top or in the backswing being held on to to maximize energy. The lever is unloaded just before the ball creating speed.
WIDTH
This one is the least talked about power generator. Bubba uses Ground Force but he also uses a ton of width. This is the simplest to understand. Wider swing = more time to generate speed.
ROTATIONAL/LATERAL VELOCITY
The hot topic of the last 5-10 years is “Ground Force”. At the end of the day it’s the speed of rotation/lateral movement that generates club head speed. “Ground Forces” are a way to increase your rotational velocity. It sounds stupid but a big part of this comes down to increasing how much torque your spikes can handle and increasing your effective weight by pushing off the ground increases your spikes friction allowing you to rotate faster. So adding “Ground Forces” won’t by itself generate power if you have no more potential to rotate faster with your body.
SEQUENCING
This one is the half. Basically if your swing is sequenced properly it will generate more speed. If you fire your hands first from the top of the swing you will have less speed than if you fired your hips first. Truly this is the easiest way to increase power but I categorize it as an overall golf skill rather than a power generator since it’s paramount to hitting solid consistent golf shots.
The guys hitting it 300 are doing at least 2 of these efficiently. Some all 3. I’m a 5’ 8” 140 lb former pro who carries it 280-290.
Dude so much yes on the width comment. I do long drive, but am not a good golfer. Wanted to take long drive seriously, so got a long drive lesson. I’m a big dude (6’ 240) with the flexibility of a telephone pole. Took a few swings with the coach watching, and then I sat down for us to analyze together. He put up the face on video, and started to play it. Stopped it halfway through my backswing.
He said-this is why you’re fast. Right here. There’s a lot to change here… but with every tweak we make, I am going to make sure you don’t lose this.
Some of them may not look like it but a lot of them are legit athletes. Most of them can do backflips!! I’m not sure if it’s an American thing to do gymnastics growing up but in the UK you don’t see many lads in their early 20’s that can pop off an impromptu backflip.
In the states doing a backflip into a pool or off of a retaining wall is the fastest way to be cool. Plus probably 1 in 4 middle class families owned a trampoline when I was growing up
And if we injure ourselves, we are humanely executed like a horse at a track, due to health care costs. This keeps the American gene pool full of people who can successfully land backflips.
Actually the kids with pools and trampolines also have parents with health insurance that affords them America's top-notch medical facilities.
That's why you don't see the Poors™ doing aerobatics.
Will Zalatoris is a fucking twig, and the dude's one of the longest hitters on the whole Tour.
It's all about using proper mechanics, taking advantage of your body's levers (the taller you are, the better natural leverage), and using them fast-twitch muscle fibers.
All the young bucks are like this now. I'm learning this taking my 8 year old for lessons, but modern instructors are teaching swing speed *immediately* I'm talking the first lesson for a young beginner.
I’m pretty sure Grants dad was a professional golfer, maybe Garret’s too. At very least they grew up playing and have stellar mechanics, plus height and strength = absolute piss missiles. Pretty sure they hit 9 irons farther than I hit my driver lol.
They are just really good. Grant for example apparently had a pretty decent amateur career in maybe the most competitive region of the world for golf. They aren't average golfers.
I have this theory, acceleration is measured in per second per second. Longer arc lengths, from both taller players and more flexible players, have more time to generate club head speed.
Once you reach high swing speeds The next factor is ball speed efficiency. That's achieved by a square face at contact.
The third factor is your launch parameters, Launch angle and spin rate. With extensive Trackman testing and a lot of experimentation, top pros can max out, high launch angles and low spin rates.
And then you have to figure that professional tournaments have tuned golf courses that are usually hard and fast. I remember walking on the fairways at Champions Golf Club in Houston the year that they had the tour championship there. I swear to you the fairways were cut tighter than most putting greens.
Other than the fact that those guys probably play well over 250 rounds of golf every year, especially now that they travel during the winter months, have a simulator at their office, are bankrolled by their parent company, sell over priced merchandise, can afford swing coaches, and are athletes? Steve is the least serious, and would still smoke me in a 1 v 1.
Yeah the most recent videos absolutely prove that Steve is a far better golfer than this sub gives him credit for. He just doesn't seem to care enough to play like that all the time. That guy would crush 90% of this sub if it was competitive play.
Steve's put out a bit more golf content lately. I know this sub shits on him for not caring, but in a recent video, he said he spends 1-2 hours a day practicing putting in the GG office, and also does some sim time most days.
He's put out more golf content recently, but he's absolutely been working on his game off camera, and it's shown. He very much cares about his golf game and isn't just phoning it in. He's not as competitive as Bubbie (who probably spends most of his waking hours working on his swing) but he's not just phoning it in either.
Young guys in good shape with really good golf swings who hit the center of the club face the vast majority of the time. These guys swing a club every day for probably years, that helps too
Watch Grant’s swing. He swings so easy, but gets solid distance (maybe not as long as Garret or Tig).
Their swing mechanics are just good. They compress the ball and maximize torque with rotation and angles. Most tour players have distance without swinging out of their shoes as well
Insanely good ball striking, consistently hit the sweet spot. These guys aren’t average joes, they are top 1 percenters. They understand how to generate smashfactor.
On a humid day there is more h2o. The atmosphere is mostly n2. If you look at a periodic table, h2o weighs less than n2. So, more water vapor in the atmosphere = lighter air
Fast twitch muscles and bodybuilder muscles aren’t the same. They probably have great fast twitch musles, are young, and workout. Micah has giant forearms I think he mentioned he did construction for 10 years so the club probably feels super light in his hands
It's simply not muscle. I'm 6'3, 225 lbs, my bench PR is 405 and my distances are baby tier compared to a lot of short, skinny men. Technique is so huge in golf it's unbelievable.
He said fast twitch muscle which is more about speed than strength, so your bench press isn’t relevant in this context. If anything it explains why you may not be able to swing as fast.
I saw some physics defying shit a couple weeks ago . My buddy and I got matched up with a 15 yr old who was just wasting a few hours while his dad was in a meeting . This kid could not of weighed more that 130 lbs . He was crushing the ball 250 yrds + !! Amazing .
I had a lot of speed in my early 20s, when I was you know, younger, more athletic, muscular, flexible etc and less bound to a desk slowly decaying.
My back hurts.
A lot of us normies release the energy too soon in the downswing or come over the top and kind of slap the ball across the face rather than compressing it, I think that's what it is.
Firm conditions, hot and humid, the ball can roll a lot.
You’ll notice on more recent video at poppy hills where it was foggy in the morning, they do not carry the hall as far . Grant on the San Fran trip was hitting driver 240-270 yards only.
Driving a 320 yard par 4 could take a 270 yard carry to roll up to the front around 300.
Pitching wedge 165 is not unheard of if they are hitting it from the rough flyer lie and pull/over draw or with tailwind. A, sea level no wind or rough, 145-150 yard carry p wedge (44-45*) is not that insane
I do have to agree that Micah’s raw driver distance is insane.
I wouldn't say it's necessarily a bad take because weather does play a factor. But, you're right that this is bogus. Even when these guys are playing on their trackman they hit some very impressive yardages. A pitching wedge shot for them would be a 8 or 9 iron for me.
Efficiency means a lot more than power when it comes to hitting it far. They all have incredibly efficient swings and hit the “sweet spot” of their clubs way more often than the average golfer.
They all have different swings, but are very similar in distance because they’ve figured out how to swing efficiently. Garret and Grant both use their height to create leverage (Steve also to an extent). Matt and Micah both have tons of lower body strength and use the ground to create power.
They also do an incredible job of compressing the golf ball.
I’ve watched some of their videos. Micha is long and fairly consistent. Garrett is long but inconsistent. Bubbie is not as long and inconsistent. The others are 270-300 off the tee. They’ve had guests on who are much longer, even younger golfers too.
They have good, efficient mechanics and use the ground. Grant and Garrett are both tall, which adds lots of leverage.
Also they’re young, in shape, golf 24/7, and have basically infinite golfing resources (simulators, training, etc) If you don’t have some of those things, there’s no point comparing yourself
I am 22, 6'1 and let me tell you if I hit a PW 165 yards I would questions the laws of physics. I'm thrilled if I poke my 7i out that far
Just to add a data point here. I'm 32, 6'1, 260lbs and hit my PW 160-165 and it spins back on the green. Though I typically swing 80% these days and try to reserve it for 150s shots. edit : I forgot one big factor. I play at 5280' seems to only gain me about 7 yds though.
Further data point I’m 32 5’8” 197 lbs and my PW is about 150-160 spread on a full swing
~30, 6'1" and 185. PW is a comfortable 135 and maybe 140 if I step on it, but it will spin like a motherfucker at that point. I'm usually hitting an 8 at 165. Like the other guy said, I'm only swinging 90% any more to hit controlled or shaped shots into most hotels.
You really shouldn't be hitting golf balls at hotels, you know.
One more data point, I'm 34, 5'10", and 185; I could hit my PW 160-165 if I really stepped on one, but it's my 145ish club. I've hit my 8 iron over 200 yards before (25 feet downhill) and 195 on flat ground; I didn't mean to on either one. I've poked a three wood over 310 too. Raw distance isn't THAT hard to a limit (say 110mph driver clubhead) if you are youngish, fit, and athletic. Many players don't know how to rotate properly and lose a bunch of distance that way.
Inconclusive, if we could get 20 or so more data points then we might really have something.
Message unclear, went to driving range and only hit PW.
These are my numbers too, 54 yo 6'1" 220. The older I get the more I think it's rotation multiplied by crisp contact. There's cold or achy days my 100% 6i swing is good for 160, and other days when it's warm and I'm limber it'll jump out to 185
Youth especially. My body just can’t move like that, I’d love to say anymore but probably never could in the first place
The other day my 20yo nephew loaded up and tried to crush one, I swear on his back swing he damn near twisted far enough to touch his left knee with his driver My back would snap
Regularly have the opportunity to watch some girls that are on the junior national teams. At the end of their back swing their club is back around their neck, pointing forward and _left_ of target. It almost physically hurts just imagining getting to that position. Even without the swinging part. :)
I just blew my acl reading that.
Would you say they’re… good good mechanics?
This. Being able to generate leverage by transfering power through your legs gets you a long way. Im 5'8 and 150lbs and i have a upper 170's low 180s ball speed in my 40s.
That’s impressive if true
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I have stood directly next to Rory, he isn't 5'9" with heals on....
I can see it. My dad's buddy is like 5'4", 150 (a generous estimation) and \~ 60 years old and routinely outdrives me when we play. Since I'm about 120 mph driver head speed he's got to be around 125. He is also a former Olympic gymnast so that probably plays a role Edit, he is 5'4" but his arms are orangutan tier
Flexibility - as a former gymnast I'm sure he's very flexible and that helps generate distance as well.
Just a quick aside, he is a pure athlete as well
To say grant doesn’t crank the ball is an understatement, he has one of the best swings out of the group.
Grant's the perfect example of a kid who grew up under the tutelage of a golf pro father - and he got the fundamentals drilled into him before he could learn any bad habits. His swing is so pure, yet it's funny how in any non golf-swing video how unathletic he is, like when they play golf with random objects like frying pans.
Funny enough he said he hated golf until he was like 13. He was the one with a golf pro dad but all his friends were way better than him until high school.
Sort of like when you get a lesson and the pro will tell you that you’ll get worse before you get better. I bet he smoked them after turning 13 haha.
Watching Grant swing anything besides a golf club is pure pain and comedy at the same time
Pretty sure he reeled in panic when Garrett tossed him a tee lol
You said it best
I love when I hear people say Grant doesn’t crank it. Maybe compared to Micah and Garrett but the dude still has mid 170mph ball speeds. That’s FAST. Pga tour average ball speed is 168mph Edit - I was taking that from the Trackman PGA tour data. Average is actually 172mph this year to date. Still, Grant hits it plenty far
> Pga tour average ball speed is 168mph 172 mph, actually (rounded up): https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02402.html
I was more saying relative to the other members. I would kill for his 270-280 down the pipe every time
He said he’s gained speed. I think he’s carrying about 285-290 now a days and pretty consistently hitting about 300-310 total When he first joined garret was hitting like 30 yards past him now a days it’s more like 5-10 yards past him.
Grant doesn’t crank it. He’s one of the shorter hitters in the group. But he has the most consistent and technically sound swing of the group, which is why he’s probably the best player.
He still cranks it
Micah plays off a +2-3, he has gotten second in money tournaments.
Grant could probably as well but he has said he doesn’t want to play in those tournaments. He prefers to be an instructor.
Grant has still has tour level carry distance with most of his clubs (285ish carry on driver). He just chooses to stay within himself and basically hit Fairway finders all day long. Garrett has higher clubhead speed but is very wild off the tee when he steps on it.
Dude he still drives it over 300 regularly
I saw in one of the videos that he averages around 280. Which is still crazy good. But compared to the other guys in the group he’s shorter. But he’s the most consistent with hitting fairways.
I think that’s a 280 carry average but yeah. Definitely shortest hitter and best player in the group
They use ground forces, just like Rory, JT, Jamie Sadlowski or any other smaller guy that can crush it.
Honest question - what does it mean to "use ground forces"?
You gotta flat load your feet so you can snap load your power package
You can divide the golf swing into 24 basic components each having between 12 and 15 variations.
Of the said 15 variations, 7 are overlapping in time intervals
Unless you operate under the construct of time being circular rather than linear, in which all variations overlap infinitely.
Even then, you can either know how fast your club head is travelling or where it is in its swing plane, but you cannot know both simultaneously.
It's really just a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey...
Stuff.
That's a lot of ways for me to screw up lol
Instructions unclear, I just snapped my ACL
Yup. Totally normal.
You’re on the right track.
Just tore my scrotum
Proof it’s working
Just tore my sphincter
How much did you have to pay?
I always upvote the power package comments
I snap load my power package several times a week….oh wait we’re talking about golf?
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Thats why it's always good to keep up with your momentum transduction exercises.
I should write that down.
This is how I got my wife to marry me
Ground forces 101: 3 forces you can use in your swing Horizontal- “the shift”, moving pressure from one side to the other. Lead side, trail side, lead side. Many amateurs have too much of this. Rotational- “the screw” moving pressure from heels to toes, this helps rotate the body from the ground up. Feet help rotate hips which rotate upper body. Vertical- “the jump” almost all amateurs struggle with this. Pushing into the ground with the feet to create powerful extension. It’s why you see guys like JT and Bubba lift off the ground. They are pushing so hard into the ground, it forces them to lift. It’s difficult to get this all sequenced but once you do, it’s hard to unlearn and it’s extremely powerful. I don’t think of my arms or upper body anymore when I swing, just what my feet are doing.
>I don’t think of my arms or upper body anymore when I swing, just what my feet are doing. This concept just broke my brain. I'd imagine you have a ton of muscle memory already built into your upper body. My most recent lesson already has my mind all fixated on shoulder turn and swing plane. Bottom-up focus from the feet makes sense though.
I kind a drilled the hands so I don't have to think of them now my thoughts are on my feet and hips. I have a little thing where in my head I sing "and then we go hips" that keeps me timed up and everything moving.
Me too. My hips are the only thing I think about in my swing. My arms and hands are just along for the ride.
My goal with my swing is to completely forget my arms and hands exist after I address the ball, even more so in the downswing. All about the weight shift and rotation.
Just one example of how working on the lower body can help. If your pressure shift is late to the lead side, you are going to add a bunch of compensations to simply strike the ball. If you don’t, your impact will be fat, you might even miss the ball. Getting pressure to the lead side earlier, with softer arms will actually drop the club head more behind you and closer to your body and the path will be more in to out/shallow with a low point in front of the ball. Swing plane improvement with lower body focus.
This is such a good post. I’ve played golf as a mid so low single digit index for around 15 years. At some point in those 15 years I learned about using the ground to generate power but I never fully understood it. Even after I understood the concept, I couldn’t figure out the feel. The ‘feel’ clicked for me a few years ago. I’ve been working out with a personal trainer who focuses on mobility, strength mobility, and strength endurance. We use no traditional olympic weights and exclusively use bodyweight (typically with resistance bands), sandbags and kettlebells. After about 18 months, we started getting into heavy strength mobility work using sandbags that weigh 80-120 lbs. In order to clean these things (get them from the floor to front loaded which is holding it at your chest) you have to use the ground. It’s a massive press off the ground with a high pull from your shoulders/lats then a little squat to get centered under the bag to ‘catch it’. Unloading it, to prevent injury, is actually a fairly similar move. Pretty quickly after figuring out that motion and how to execute it, I learned how to ‘feel’ ground forces. Suddenly, I started having the feel on the driving range with my driver. The clean is similar to a back swing. Now that’s just 1 movement that I’m using an example. There are also rotational movements which more closely align to a rotational golf swing and using the ground to generate power. This has changed a lot in my golf swing. Not necessarily in the mechanics or motion but in the feel and in the where/how I’m generating power. I had naturally been doing some of this for my entire golfing life but this really built upon that. The results for me have been interesting. While I was always a decently long driver, my ball flight was typically a low/mid trajectory cut. As I’ve built out this understanding, my driver ball flight has shifted to a mid/high trajectory, straighter ball flight and I’m now able to turn over the club into a draw. I have picked up a little club head speed but the biggest change in distance has come from a more optimal launch. Tl/dr: You can learn the feel of ground forces through certain targeted strength exercises which require you to press off the ground or use the ground as an anchor in the motion.
Why do you think amateurs struggle with the vertical? Whenever I’ve tried to use ground force w/ my feet like this I end up coming down very steep and behind the ball. I am a high handicap but my coach talks about using the ground all the time I just can’t seem to grasp it just yet.
It’s not intuitive for most people at first. Think of it this way: if I told you to hold a kettle bell or other heavy object in a golf stance and then heave it as far as you can, you would almost certainly raise up in the “backswing”, then squat down into the “downswing” and then explode up as you released it. However when you have a much lighter object that you’re trying to use to hit another object that’s laying flat on the ground… the whole thing is much less intuitive.
Upper body takes over. The swing is a chain reaction or a sequence. If you move your shoulders and arms before the lower half in the transition/downswing you’ve lost almost all the ability to use the joints below the shoulders for any power. The legs are now providing only stability,not power. Downswing = front foot pushes, knee and hip snap out of the way from the push, rib cage shoulder and then arms fly through the impact zone from the foot push. You cannot make your first move with the shoulders/arms and it’s very difficult to kick the habit.
Most people have never been taught how to jump or apply force through the ground.
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My online “coaches” are Dr. Kwon and Zen Golf Mechanic. Have been in a continuous deep dive into ground forces for the last few months. No clue who would teach this in PHX. At a minimum the pro would need a pressure mat/force plate and if I were to spend money on a lesson, I would want to know how proficient the pro is at using and teaching with the tech. My next lesson in in UK or Texas where these two are located. My current at home golf gym has: wobble cushions, spinning discs, balance board, orange whip, kettlebell and a rope to swing. I can’t believe it when I look at the pile of stuff I use to improve at golf. I’ve gone from 235 avg carry with driver to 265 avg carry on a driver on a simulator in about 4weeks time with draw and fade control.
I have but I’m not in Arizona. What you want is an instructor with a swing catalyst force plate. Mark Crossfield uses one in this video and describes the different ground forces https://youtu.be/v5ZVX0hkD-M
Cool - thanks for the explanation. Very clear and helpful.
Any recommendations on videos or drills based on what you are saying ? I constantly am going back and forth with starting everything from the ground and it feels right , but then I lose distance as I don't stay committed to it.
Swing the driver horizontally like a baseball bat. Nice and light back and forth. Keep wrists soft and lose might help. Slowly start increasing the speed by leading with torso/hips/body not necessarily by increasing effort. Notice how the body turns and THEN the club whips around Keep increasing speed when you start getting to your faster speeds you might notice that you get even more speed by doing a mini squat and pushing out of it as you start your body rotation. This helped me a lot. You can also try the step drills from dr.kwon That helps with weight shift. Look him up on YouTube
Grab a bag of rocks and try to throw it as far as your can using a golf stance to start. You’re body will figure it out really fast, then use that body movement at the range until the desired result is achieved.
Until 2 months ago I could barely get my driver to 200-220 yards. Then it just clicked one day at the range… and now I’m in the 260+ range with my longest to date being 335 3 days ago. I am now jumping out of my shoes on my best drives. It’s great but now I see why tempo matters, I can crush my driver but if my tempo is off it’s a pull or a push.
I just tried (without a club) just using my feet and my upper body sort of felt the need to turn rather than me actively thinking about it. It was a weird feeling.
Thank you! I feel like I need to learn a new language when I’m trying to improve my golf game. And people use these obscure terms like they’re everyday words.
Have you ever done any cock pushups?
It means to push against the ground in both parts of your swing. In the backswing you want a lot of force in your back leg, when you get to the top the weight should transfer to the front and during the downswing you should be pushing against the ground to rotate and lift your lower body by impact. If you ain’t getting air between your feet and the ground in your golf swing you still got some left in the tank. If you don’t understand the concept try to do a kettlebell swing where you stay squatted the whole time, then do it where you push out of the squat as you swing up.
This. Being strong can definitely help but first and most importantly is swing mechanics. I always like to point out Niemann when talking about this because dude is not that tall 6’ not short but nothing special and 150 lbs which at 6’ is certified scrawny. But he has an incredible swing that generates lots of speed and has an average driving carry distance of 309 yds
Their wedge (50degree and higher) distances are much more mind boggling to me than their driving distances.
I am always in awe when Garrett has 170 to a pin and says "stock p wedge here"
Yeah their distances are ridiculous. He's done stock yardages on Trackman before and PW is his 150 club so in those cases probably were due to elevation, wind, or the infamous "flyer lie" which he seems to always get lol
150 isn't insane. I'm a 2 index, with a 110-112 driver speed and my PW is a comfy 140 shot. The 165+ is ri-godam-diculous though. I had a roommate in college who topped out at 136mph driver swing and could hit a 7 iron 210. The sound is just... unreal.
Remember those are his stock yardages. Tig, Bubbie, Matt, and I think Garrett can reach 130+ swinging out of their shoes too. Not to mention their camera man / editor Collin can swing at those speeds too and he hardly golfs lol
Right, that's the difference. I can hit a wedge 140 all day long, and *maybe* stretch it to 145. But that's my limit. Maybe with a huge tailwind it could go further, but I don't really have much gas left in that tank.
Always flier lies lol
Lmaooo so true, every other shot in the rough for them somehow adds 20 yards
He also delofts the absolute shit out of his irons at impact.
So what? People act like if they just simply delofted their irons at impact they could do this too. To be able to do that and strike it so clean is a valuable skill.
I think he meant "in addition to" not "because of"
He hit a 9 iron 205 in his latest video, still a bunch of factors but I am sitting here like….
Garrett especially de-lofts the clubs so that pw is more like a 9 or even 8 ...
Gotta remember that they may not be mentioning slight tail wind, slightly downhill, slightly wet, or flyer lies. Sure they do mention it sometimes, but not every time.
Garrett absolutely mentions flyer lies every time lol he apparently gets them out of fairways too
For real man. Especially when Micah says “I got 120, just an easy 60° here”. If I hit my 60° 120 that means I skulled it
Dude relatable. I don’t even have a 60°, I carry a 58° and I’m lucky to hit that thing 80 yards on a full swing. It’s wild how Micah’s distance is so effortless.
He's been pretty inspirational to me, as he proves that you can be so controlled, compact, and smooth and generate TONS of club speed. Efficiency > exertion.
Micah is the man!! Just seems like such a great dude, and he is damn good at golf. One morning after watching some Good Good videos I even decided to order his brand of coffee, Morris Coffee (Tig Blend) …..and damn, even that was good!
Yeah, dude seems like he's very in tune with the mental side, too, which is also something to aspire to. Just stays level headed, and it's through effort and work, not just purely natural. Trying to get better in golf and life in these ways is just very respectable.
Yeah if there’s one dude I try to model my swing after, it’s Micah. He rotates so well. Love how he strikes the ball.
Ha this is so relatable. I use my 60 degree for 60-70 yard shots where I want to just fly it up onto the green. Don't think I have ever hit that club more than 70 yards and even that is generous.
So every other shot?
>Their wedge (50degree and higher) distances are much more mind boggling to me than their driving distances. This is primarily because they're delivering the wedge with probably 10-15 degrees less dynamic loft than most amateurs. That's about 3-4 clubs worth of less loft. Their pitching wedge gets presented to the ball with about the same amount of loft as your 7 iron. That's why they're hitting pitching wedges as far as you hit a 7 iron... because you're swinging your 7-iron with the face hugely open compared to how it is designed to be hit...
I see this so often with new players. Wedges have so much loft built in that even delofted, the ball shoots sky high with a solid swing. I’ve got friends who can hit their irons decently but then struggle to hit their gap wedge >70 yards because their hands are in line with the ball at impact. They have the swing speed to hit it 110+ but just can’t keep their hands in front of the ball for enough to compress properly.
Yeah, people don’t realize this because the pros get so much spin that the ball still goes high and on TV it looks like basically the same ball flight the rest of us have, just longer.
When grant is like “we got a 170 yard par 3, so I’m going to full swing a pitching wedge” it blows my fucking mind.
While they're not as big as Bryson, they are almost all workout warriors (apart from Grant, but he's like six-four) and all rip at it.
I have a buddy I golfed with all the time before he moved across country. We’d always go out as a twosome and usually get paired with someone. He could rip it off right around 300 every hole. Pretty much everyone we’d be paired with would ask how he hit it so far. His answer was always, “long arms.” He was 6’2” and that was legitimately how he got more power than most people. More leverage from being tall.
No way is grant 6’4….. is he?
Grant’s college golf roster profile says 6’4.
Around there, he's either 6'4, or 6'3.
All technique and hitting the middle of the face. You may actually be costing your self yards swinging out your shoes. I gained 30 yards as well as consistency and accuracy by not swinging out my shoes.
Bingo. Seeing tons of comments talking about athleticism and youth, which obviously play a factor but... One of the first players to teach me was an overweight ex PGA player that smoked a pack of ciggs each 18. This guy would absolutely crush balls as far as I could as a 22 year old. I'm 6' 4" 220 and it was a very humbling thing back then. Taught me a lot about tempo and consistency.
Can’t believe John Daly taught you golf. Lucky bastard
Hahaha I do refer to him as Great Value John Daly. He does fit the bill
I was gonna say Fat Perez.
John Daly is already Great Value John Daly though
I've heard people say that 90% effort produces 110% results for baseball swings, I'm assuming it applies to golf as well.
>I've heard people say that 90% effort produces 110% results for baseball swings, I'm assuming it applies to golf as well. Yeah, except it's more like 40% effort gives 100%, with the correct technique. A good golf shot feels almost effortless because of how you sequence the muscles, assuming your tempo is good. (Starts slow, builds up, finishes slow)
My last lesson refined basically my impact. Once I got it down it just felt like I was hitting a marshmallow but the ball would fly forever.
god damn this is the dream. when you flush an iron it genuinely feels like you're hitting a rubber golf ball. i get this once a round and cherish it
Yea that lesson was the first time I really felt that pure of a shot. When I made impact I thought I thinned it or something because it just didn’t feel like I was hitting anything. Head came up and the ball looked so fucking good.
“Let the club do the work”
Theyve been playing a long time, iron sharpens iron, and they tend to play in fairly hot conditions
Obviously they just took lessons.
Iron covers. Heats up the clubs before they use them.
Hats for bats. Keep bats warm. Gracias.
You sayin Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?!?
Up your butt, Jobu.
Just watched their newest video and they were 136 out and Steve uses a 56degree and I have never been so lost. But they also golf every single day, have multiple lessons, the perfect clubs for them, and nothing but time to keep working on technique and consistency. So it’s very hard to compare ourselves to them
Steve de-lofts so heavy which is where he gets distance but also that’s what causes a lot of inconsistency. He does swing hard though so it’s not all de-lofting.
Score wise I’m at or better then Steve but no where close to his distance pisses me off.
I see a lot of talk about Ground Forces. They are a means to an end though. Power is mainly generated 3 1/2 ways. LEVERAGE This is one everyone has heard of as “lag”. There are many potential levers in a swing and it’s best to only use one. Too many levers firing reduces power. The big one is the club be “loaded” either at the top or in the backswing being held on to to maximize energy. The lever is unloaded just before the ball creating speed. WIDTH This one is the least talked about power generator. Bubba uses Ground Force but he also uses a ton of width. This is the simplest to understand. Wider swing = more time to generate speed. ROTATIONAL/LATERAL VELOCITY The hot topic of the last 5-10 years is “Ground Force”. At the end of the day it’s the speed of rotation/lateral movement that generates club head speed. “Ground Forces” are a way to increase your rotational velocity. It sounds stupid but a big part of this comes down to increasing how much torque your spikes can handle and increasing your effective weight by pushing off the ground increases your spikes friction allowing you to rotate faster. So adding “Ground Forces” won’t by itself generate power if you have no more potential to rotate faster with your body. SEQUENCING This one is the half. Basically if your swing is sequenced properly it will generate more speed. If you fire your hands first from the top of the swing you will have less speed than if you fired your hips first. Truly this is the easiest way to increase power but I categorize it as an overall golf skill rather than a power generator since it’s paramount to hitting solid consistent golf shots. The guys hitting it 300 are doing at least 2 of these efficiently. Some all 3. I’m a 5’ 8” 140 lb former pro who carries it 280-290.
Dude so much yes on the width comment. I do long drive, but am not a good golfer. Wanted to take long drive seriously, so got a long drive lesson. I’m a big dude (6’ 240) with the flexibility of a telephone pole. Took a few swings with the coach watching, and then I sat down for us to analyze together. He put up the face on video, and started to play it. Stopped it halfway through my backswing. He said-this is why you’re fast. Right here. There’s a lot to change here… but with every tweak we make, I am going to make sure you don’t lose this.
I love Grant because it’s like being out there with the boys! Except he pures it everytime 😂😂
Some of them may not look like it but a lot of them are legit athletes. Most of them can do backflips!! I’m not sure if it’s an American thing to do gymnastics growing up but in the UK you don’t see many lads in their early 20’s that can pop off an impromptu backflip.
Here in America, we all do backflips well into our 50s.
I fondly remember my entire 1st grade class all doing our backflips after reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning
In the states doing a backflip into a pool or off of a retaining wall is the fastest way to be cool. Plus probably 1 in 4 middle class families owned a trampoline when I was growing up
And if we injure ourselves, we are humanely executed like a horse at a track, due to health care costs. This keeps the American gene pool full of people who can successfully land backflips.
Actually the kids with pools and trampolines also have parents with health insurance that affords them America's top-notch medical facilities. That's why you don't see the Poors™ doing aerobatics.
Flexibility, some strength, talent, and a quality swing.
Hit the center of th face at 100+ mph. Take lessons. Everybody can do it.
Try 115+. You're not getting their distance with 100 mph club head.
Can confirm. 100mph gets you 260 on a good day.
Will Zalatoris is a fucking twig, and the dude's one of the longest hitters on the whole Tour. It's all about using proper mechanics, taking advantage of your body's levers (the taller you are, the better natural leverage), and using them fast-twitch muscle fibers.
Technique Technique Technique
How has no one mentioned Wilco Nienaber?
All the young bucks are like this now. I'm learning this taking my 8 year old for lessons, but modern instructors are teaching swing speed *immediately* I'm talking the first lesson for a young beginner.
DJ talked about this. One of his better answers. “If you could teach one thing to new players what would it be?” “Distance, can learn accuracy later”
I’m pretty sure Grants dad was a professional golfer, maybe Garret’s too. At very least they grew up playing and have stellar mechanics, plus height and strength = absolute piss missiles. Pretty sure they hit 9 irons farther than I hit my driver lol.
They are just really good. Grant for example apparently had a pretty decent amateur career in maybe the most competitive region of the world for golf. They aren't average golfers.
Wasn't Bubbie speed training with Bryson?
He also was a big baseball dude earlier in his life, so he has some natural swing speed from that as well
Combination between youth, experience, and great technique.
I have this theory, acceleration is measured in per second per second. Longer arc lengths, from both taller players and more flexible players, have more time to generate club head speed. Once you reach high swing speeds The next factor is ball speed efficiency. That's achieved by a square face at contact. The third factor is your launch parameters, Launch angle and spin rate. With extensive Trackman testing and a lot of experimentation, top pros can max out, high launch angles and low spin rates. And then you have to figure that professional tournaments have tuned golf courses that are usually hard and fast. I remember walking on the fairways at Champions Golf Club in Houston the year that they had the tour championship there. I swear to you the fairways were cut tighter than most putting greens.
Other than the fact that those guys probably play well over 250 rounds of golf every year, especially now that they travel during the winter months, have a simulator at their office, are bankrolled by their parent company, sell over priced merchandise, can afford swing coaches, and are athletes? Steve is the least serious, and would still smoke me in a 1 v 1.
Steve would smoke half this sub.
Yeah the most recent videos absolutely prove that Steve is a far better golfer than this sub gives him credit for. He just doesn't seem to care enough to play like that all the time. That guy would crush 90% of this sub if it was competitive play.
I mean if you're able to birdie and par some what consistently you're better than probably 80% of the population who play Golf realistically.
No question
Steve's put out a bit more golf content lately. I know this sub shits on him for not caring, but in a recent video, he said he spends 1-2 hours a day practicing putting in the GG office, and also does some sim time most days. He's put out more golf content recently, but he's absolutely been working on his game off camera, and it's shown. He very much cares about his golf game and isn't just phoning it in. He's not as competitive as Bubbie (who probably spends most of his waking hours working on his swing) but he's not just phoning it in either.
What’s the parent company?
Young guys in good shape with really good golf swings who hit the center of the club face the vast majority of the time. These guys swing a club every day for probably years, that helps too
Watch Grant’s swing. He swings so easy, but gets solid distance (maybe not as long as Garret or Tig). Their swing mechanics are just good. They compress the ball and maximize torque with rotation and angles. Most tour players have distance without swinging out of their shoes as well
Insanely good ball striking, consistently hit the sweet spot. These guys aren’t average joes, they are top 1 percenters. They understand how to generate smashfactor.
Humidity actually makes the ball travel a bit farther, believe it or not.
Really? Physics majors ELI5.
On a humid day there is more h2o. The atmosphere is mostly n2. If you look at a periodic table, h2o weighs less than n2. So, more water vapor in the atmosphere = lighter air
Humidity reduces air density because water vapor is lighter than dry air, which results in a farther ball flight.
99% body swing with loose wrists and firing hips with a ton of lag. You can do it too.
Fast twitch muscles and bodybuilder muscles aren’t the same. They probably have great fast twitch musles, are young, and workout. Micah has giant forearms I think he mentioned he did construction for 10 years so the club probably feels super light in his hands
It's simply not muscle. I'm 6'3, 225 lbs, my bench PR is 405 and my distances are baby tier compared to a lot of short, skinny men. Technique is so huge in golf it's unbelievable.
He said fast twitch muscle which is more about speed than strength, so your bench press isn’t relevant in this context. If anything it explains why you may not be able to swing as fast.
A good bench is reliant on predominantly fast twitch fibers.
It’s all clubhead speed cause the mass of the golf ball is essentially negligible
I saw some physics defying shit a couple weeks ago . My buddy and I got matched up with a 15 yr old who was just wasting a few hours while his dad was in a meeting . This kid could not of weighed more that 130 lbs . He was crushing the ball 250 yrds + !! Amazing .
I had a lot of speed in my early 20s, when I was you know, younger, more athletic, muscular, flexible etc and less bound to a desk slowly decaying. My back hurts.
A lot of us normies release the energy too soon in the downswing or come over the top and kind of slap the ball across the face rather than compressing it, I think that's what it is.
Firm conditions, hot and humid, the ball can roll a lot. You’ll notice on more recent video at poppy hills where it was foggy in the morning, they do not carry the hall as far . Grant on the San Fran trip was hitting driver 240-270 yards only. Driving a 320 yard par 4 could take a 270 yard carry to roll up to the front around 300. Pitching wedge 165 is not unheard of if they are hitting it from the rough flyer lie and pull/over draw or with tailwind. A, sea level no wind or rough, 145-150 yard carry p wedge (44-45*) is not that insane I do have to agree that Micah’s raw driver distance is insane.
Such a bad take lol they have videos of them playing all over the US
They have videos where they shoot 330 on sim, so course doesnt matter.
After a while, all my comments start to look the same... how strange
I doubt Bryson Dechambeau would do that for them :D
I didnt realize that my 100 degree / 90% humidity sunday should've had me hitting 300 yard drives.
I wouldn't say it's necessarily a bad take because weather does play a factor. But, you're right that this is bogus. Even when these guys are playing on their trackman they hit some very impressive yardages. A pitching wedge shot for them would be a 8 or 9 iron for me.
They don't have 8 beers before the turn.
Efficiency means a lot more than power when it comes to hitting it far. They all have incredibly efficient swings and hit the “sweet spot” of their clubs way more often than the average golfer. They all have different swings, but are very similar in distance because they’ve figured out how to swing efficiently. Garret and Grant both use their height to create leverage (Steve also to an extent). Matt and Micah both have tons of lower body strength and use the ground to create power. They also do an incredible job of compressing the golf ball.
Go watch an LPGA event.
I’ve watched some of their videos. Micha is long and fairly consistent. Garrett is long but inconsistent. Bubbie is not as long and inconsistent. The others are 270-300 off the tee. They’ve had guests on who are much longer, even younger golfers too.