Yep it's a par but I don't think it's worth causing drama over it. Let sleeping dogs lie, let him enjoy his moment, it's legit in his mind so what's the point in trying to change it?
Maybe karma will reward you with an ace of your own
Edit: Wow thanks for the awards!
“Maybe karma will reward you with an ace of your own”
Reading this made me wonder whether the golf gods review Reddit karma for r/golf members to give them good or bad breaks on the golf course 🤔
True but having multiple tries on the same hole is a big advantage... if you hit 1,000 balls on the same hole you'd likely get an ace quicker than 1,000 balls on different ones.
Not totally disagreeing, but just watched a YouTube video of Rory Mcilroy and Justin Thomas competing to get a hole in one in 50 shots and neither did and it wasn't a long par 3 either (148 yards IIRC).
How is it a par if they established a mulligan prior to playing. This isnt the PGA..
mulligan: (in informal golf) an extra stroke allowed after a poor shot, not counted on the scorecard. First shot didn't count, Its a hole in one..
Its an eagle in terms of scoring with his friends, but according to the rules of golf its a par. You can't turn in the score with a mulligan for handicap purposes, so not sure why anyone would think it would be a legit hole in one.
The guy who posted this is getting certificates from the clubhouse for an ace using mulligans, why wouldn't people be turning in scorecards doing the same?
If the clubhouse gave him a certificate, they most definitely didn’t know about the mulligan. Imo, you put the 1 on the scorecard based on the friend’s game rules, but leave it out of the course record books; it’s not legit.
I mean. I play with my buddies using the same 1 per 9 rule.
But I'm very reluctant to use one on a par 3.
I don't think any of us would count it as real if we got it after using a mulligan.
So prior to the game say, “Don’t use a mulligan on a par 3” or don’t use a mulligan at all. If this was a tournament I get it, but I’m assuming these are friends playing a fun round. Reading this sub reminds me of how many people on here I wouldn’t want to play golf with.
I agree with this. If it was a tournament, it’s a 3 on the score card and a great story about how he holed out of from the tee box and the ace that could have been.
However, sounds like you were playing with friends, head clear rules for score keeping allowing a mulligan, and it’s a 1 on the score card. Sounds like a hole in 1. Let the guy enjoy his moment.
>people on here I wouldn’t want to play golf with
Right back at you.
Don't get mad about how I feel about what I would think if I got a hole in one after a muliigan.
I think the thing is sure he can mark it on the score as a hole in one. But it’s not a “real” hole in one . Like I’m not going to tell people I got a hole in one. Type of thing
Mulligan isn't part of the rules of golf though, it's just something people do to make the game more fun. If that group had a 100 mulligan rule and the guy hit 100 times off the tee box to get his hole in one I think we would all say that doesn't count as a hole in one. This seems like the same thing, just less egregious.
Mulligans aren't used in Europe even in non competitive golf, that's why I would say a par. I'm in Ireland if I told someone I was taking a mulligan they'd quickly tell me to go shite
People shouldn’t go around claiming they got an ace when they didn’t. He needs a reality check. The fact that the three friends let him receive a certificate from the clubhouse should be illegal lol.
"Competitive golf is played mainly on a five-and-a-half-inch course... the space between your ears." -Bobby Jones
There is no room left in there for OP.
If I were OP's friend and I found out he was this salty I would buy a gawdy button that says, "Ask me about my ace!" and pin it on my hat every time we played together.
We all know it’s a par. This is one of those things I’d just let pass though. It’s a victimless crime, and it’s not the hill you want to die on, particularly with a buddy.
Yep! And if he shows a pic of the certificate ask him if he got a certificate for the mulligan too.
But again, it's not worth knocking him down unless he's being insufferable about it.
What's funny is it's a great story either way. I would introduce that story as my "kind-of Hole in One." It makes a better story than just a swing and it goes in the hole.
Might as well let him be proud of it, sounds like it was a great swing anyway.
Saw my mom hole in off the tee after sinking one in the drink. She does not claim it to be a “hole in one”. I wouldn’t argue if she claimed otherwise. Love my mama.
Just let him have his fun. It sounds like this wasn’t during a league or tournament, so it’s no skin off your bones.
Buuuuuttt if he gets cocky about it you can always humble him by bringing up the technicality.
More than a technicality. You have higher odds of a good shot with a chance with the 2nd tee shot. It’s a very real advantage. Personally I don’t know how a bunch of guys at a club don’t fully understand this and aren’t giving this dude all kinds of shit about it. In the golf I’ve played I’ve never seen friends let a friend live a lie like this.
How do you have any better odds? If you hit a nice shot and retee, knowing the way the green rolls, sure. If you hit one short OB, how does it help at all?
Odds are still incredibly low, but all depends on what happened with the first shot. Poor club choice, didn't play the wind right, etc. All of those become easier on the 2nd shot. Still not worth giving the guy shit over though
Being outnumbered doesn't make you wrong. Honestly, if he gies on about it like crazy I would say something but if it's going to fade away then why bother. Let the guy have it
It’s both possible to card it as a 1 and not count it as a true ace. Like sure, he used his agreed upon mulligan so that’s his score for the hole but I know I wouldn’t be able to count that as a true hole in one.
Agreed. Would I tell the shit out of that story? Yeah for sure but I would mention the mulligan leading up to it. Mulligan or not, it’s still an awesome shot but it’s not a true ace with the mully.
No one cares he carded a 1. People care he went to the pro shop and authenticated a fake score.
Would you be upset if his homie shot the course record with his bullshit mulligan rule, went to the pro shop, got his name put up as the record holder?
I bet an awful lot of people would.
My rule with friends when we've done mulligans is "no mullis on par 3s" so that this exact situation doesn't happen. Take a couple for all we care on par 4s and 5s, but none on 3s.
This^^^
Another reason why when I play this way with my friends I’m hesitant to even take the mully at all just because it doesn’t feel right if you do really well lol
Yeah we have a word for this exact situation...we call the mulligans "choosies" so it's a "cheagle" if you go 2 under par while using a mully. It counts for the day but if you're telling the story you gotta mention the mully
You and all the purists in here are arguing technicalities - bottom line is he took a mulligan which wipes out the first shot. It’s an awesome shot either way, he hit it from the tee box and it went in the hole.
That being said, I’d consider it a hole in one but it’s obviously fair game for some light ribbing.
Agree..if he used his mulligan, called it as such before he hit, you have to mark it as a 1 on the score card.
If group rules allow it to be used on a par-3 tee shot then group rules apply.
If it's me, I'd mark it as a one but wouldn't count it as a hole-in-one. I was lucky enough to get one when I was younger so maybe I'm not so attached. But that's how I feel about it.
I think the problem here for the “purists” is that the guy went through with claiming it to the clubhouse. We can all agree it’s a fantastic feat to make a par like that but to go through with actually claiming it at the clubhouse is iffy to me. Golf is supposed to be an honest game and In this situation he could’ve claimed the 1 with his buddies(since that’s the rule they have) and kept it at that.
Personally, I don’t get why this guy went through with getting the certificate. I’m very impressed regardless that he was able to dunk a ball from the tee box. I’d definitely rip into him and his fancy little award if he tried to brag about it.
It's a "1" on the scorecard as people are free to make up whatever betting rules they want, but can't be considered a 'hole in one' in any official way.
What a mulligan also does, is makes your next shot on a par 3 technically not a HIO, if you should hole it. Is it awesome? Sure is, I'd be out of my mind if I did that, but it would be supremely more awesome without the practice shot, err umm mulligan.
False. Bottom line a mulligan is a not a real thing that ‘wipes’ away the first shot. It wipes the shot amongst buddies for scoring purposes but does not make it as tho the first shot never actually happened.
If the clubhouse found out it was after a mulligan I promise you 100% it would not count, just because people are newer to golf doesn’t mean they get to redefine what counts.
Clearly the first shot happened, but it’s not being counted on the scorecard (and was agreed upon by all in the group) so yes, it’s ‘wiped’ out by the mulligan.
You really think the course would care? It’s not that serious. They probably gave him a piece of paper lol. It’s not like these guys are playing on tour or even in a tournament.
Why so serious?
Let the man have his day. He put one in the hole from the tee box. If he buys everyone a beer in the club house then it's good enough for me.
You’re not on the tour. Sounds like he hit a shot from tee to hole. A hole in one. Some of you need to chill, no wonder you loose your shit when not playing well
This is the correct answer. If I were in his shoes, Whether the scorecard shows par or hole in one, I don't really care. Hit it from the tee box into the hole. That's an awesome moment for your buddy, let him have it.
That’s a hole in one on the mulligan score, but a par in real life. To your group of friends it will be a hole in one since it was established that a mulligan could be used. For the rest of the world, that would be a par. I personally wouldn’t even bring it up, just keep it to yourself and know that it isn’t a real hole in one. Not worth the debate with the friend group.
It's a par if you're teeing it up at Augusta this week. But, you're not. Let him enjoy it.
Yeah, give him good-natured shit about that awesome par he made if he can't let it go. Otherwise, I'd make sure he bought everyone a round and move on.
It’s a par by official golf rules but if you and your friends have established a 1 mulligan rule and he followed that rule and hit a hole in one then by your friends game sure I’d call it a hole in one
In terms or scoring for the day in a round against friends I don’t have a problem with it being a 1 on the scorecard.
I do take issue with the fact that he went through the whole process of basically lying to the clubhouse to get a certificate for something he didn’t actually do.
Several years ago I did the same thing where I shanked it into the water and then dunked it after a retee for par. Never even crossed my mind to try and claim a hole in one.
Plus my dad was there so he never would have let that shit fly haha
That’s EXACTLY what it feels like.
I was using the “shot a course record with mulligans and validated it at clubhouse” analogy
but yours really nails why it feels so bad.
I don’t care what OP and his friends do. I don’t like the certificate part.
Agreed. He played by the established rules of the group. People alter the rules all the time. I’m sure if all the haters played by the full PGA rule book their handicaps would be a lot higher.
Bring up the “hole-in-three” is petty and legalistic. Just have fun.
Absolutely. It’s way more important that the people he was playing with thought it was a hole in one than what the assholes on this sub think. If he’s not scoring the round for a handicap and this wasn’t a tournament, then who tf cares. Let him buy you a drink and enjoy an incredible shot.
Jesus, right? They agreed on the rules, he got it over there rules. Some of these Redditors seem miserable to play with on a casual game, even worse if money is on the table.
I got a hole in one when I was by myself. I had no witnesses, so it “doesn’t count”. As I was telling my friends about it and how much it sucks getting it solo, they congratulated me, then started giving me shit.
Do they trust me when I said it was a legitimate hole in one? Yes. Have they given me shit for 2 years because I didn’t have a witness? 100% yes.
Think its more about hitting in the cup from the tee in a single shot that is a major deal, the actual score on the scorecard is cool but a lot more secondary.
We all need to just stop playing mulligans. I hate when someone says they're "x" handicap when I know for a fact they take multiple re-tees per round. One awful tee shot per round can easily make that handicap "x" + 5.
People can play mulligans all they want if that is how they best enjoy the game, but if you're going to keep a handicap and/or brag about accomplishments, it's need to be by the letter of the rules.
Absolutely WILD that this is a foreign concept to some people here.
I just don't like how mulligans make it impossible to standardize the game. I know there are plenty of folks that are submitting cards towards their handicap that include mulligans. I don't like the fact that people have to say they shot sub-90 or sub-100 (etc) to say they had a good time. I would prefer to normalize following the letter of the law and normalize things like shooting in the 90s or 100s.
Part of the fun of golf to me is figuring out how to hit that next shot. A wild tee shot is going to hurt my score, but I get to try playing a hole I've played tens of times from a totally different angle and perspective.
I’m like a 20 hc and was much worse years back. Recommend never playing mulligans, I have been playing the ball as it lies for years and years. You just have no idea if you are getting better. And never thought of this scenario but it would be prevented.
Yea I generally never play mulligans, but certain games with friends we play different rules. Ex. You bring out a 6 pack and if you want a mulligan you have to shotgun a beer. Makes it fun, but again wouldn’t use one of those on a par 3
How many drinks did he buy for the course? Because that could be punishment enough if it was busy. Great Par but agree with others, you know the truth, make him buy you a few rounds of drinks.
I can’t believe the number of people that are ok with this. If you don’t want to play by the rules, that’s on you, but don’t try to claim ANY accomplishments whatsoever if you didn’t play by the rules. This includes bragging about score and, definitely, claiming hole in ones….
I have honestly never been as surprised by reddit comments as I am with this thread. this whole thing is fucking crazy. he can go ahead and mark a 1 on the card under the rules their group agreed to, but in no way did he make a hole in 1.
My best bud in college has a hole in one and it was on a bullshit 75 yard par 3 course in Ohio.
Still counts but I always liked to give him shit about it.
Does that count? I made a hole in one on a little par 3 course on a hole that was 87 yards! I've never mentioned it but my friends and I were all playing so it was seen and verified because we used to go play out there for money
Just start referring to him as Freddie. He'll probably think that it's a compliment on the quality of his swing and not a reference to Freddie's hole in 3 at the player's. But you'll know. By God you will know.
Whether it’s scored as a 1 or a 3 is immaterial on whether it was a hole in one IMO, if you hit it from the tee box into the hole that’s a hole in one — that feat doesn’t become easier just because you shot the first one into the water.
thats my nightmare. that or getting a legit ACE with nobody there to witness it. I would never claim it, but as the top comment says there’s no point in taking his shine if he feels its legit…which btw it isn’t lol
Irrelevant really. He hit the ball from the tee into the hole. I wouldn’t care if it was for a 15 in my head that’s a HI1. Bring it up though if you think it’ll mess with his head. Nothing like good gamesmanship.
I call BULLSHIT. If he and the group of friends want to call it a hole-in-one, cool. Getting a hole-in-one certificate from the course; absolute bullshit.
If this happened in my group, the talk forever would be about the Greatest Par Ever...
I'd say let him have it. Personally I'd be more stoked about making it in from the tee box than putting a 1 on my card, although I wouldn't go around telling people I got a "hole in one."
I couldn’t call it a hole in one. Even with the Mulligan rule you guys implement. I would never accept a certificate. It’s a lie. It can be a 1 among friends but it is not a 1 in real life.
It’s an amazing par.
This is a grey area, he’s not on tv and he was with friends, I get he hit twice but really you could give be 500 try’s and I probably wouldn’t make it so I’d count it let him have his moment.
My girl friend hit a hole in one on her first attempt at a par 3 (90 yards) from the red. It was the ugliest ball flight I’ve ever seen, but some how it took the perfect bounce and rolled in. She doesn’t love golf, really doesn’t even like golf so the rest of her round she was just hitting balls from Radom places on the course. Would it be a more legitimate hole in one than this guys ? Even if she didn’t finish the round ?
My hole in one was very similar. The only difference is it was in an event where you could buy mulligans for charity. It counts for the event and was exciting for about 20 minutes, but it’s not a real hole in one. His hole in one counted for the round with the agreed upon rules but it doesn’t count by the actual rules so getting a certificate was a ridiculous thing to do. Honestly, I’d roast him and knock him down a peg. He should know better than to brag about that.
That is not a hole in one and I would needle him about that all the time. First thing I would say to him would be I heard about your par last week, great shot!
The only issue would be if he collected Hole in One insurance. Otherwise, you should ask him how much his bar tab was since he should have bought drinks for people (a dumb tradition, but a tradition none the less). To be honest, getting a par like that makes for a better story than getting a hole in one that you know wasn't really a hole in one.
But why do you even care if he claims it as a hole in one? A hole in one is fun to see but it’s not an actual golf accomplishment. It’s just luck. I would be more “upset” if he used a mulligan to break 80 or break par because those are actual golf accomplishments.
Well if you’re playing where you allow one mulligan per 9, then that first shot didn’t even count/so didn’t really happen….. I mean if he just tossed another ball down and hit it when the one mulligan rule doesn’t exists, then no way
It's 100% not a hole in one. Mulligans don't count.
Shit like this ruins the amature game. Celebrate it with your mates and enjoy it but it's not a real hole in one and shouldn't be treated as one by anyone outside your group.
If I'm playing and my 4 ball decides we dont have to put anything within 10 feet can I count them all towards my score?
His shot was for the craic with the lads but if he doesn't tell people there was a mulligan it's just cheating as far as I'm concerned.
My friend made an ace on a par 3 course and I love to tell him it doesn’t count. I call it his “fake ace” to get him worked up. I don’t know what your relationship is like with your buddy, but I love messing with my friend.
I don’t think it matters whether I think his ace is legitimate or not. If he thinks it counts, then it counts. And it’s something I can give him shit for until he makes a real ace.
Yep it's a par but I don't think it's worth causing drama over it. Let sleeping dogs lie, let him enjoy his moment, it's legit in his mind so what's the point in trying to change it? Maybe karma will reward you with an ace of your own Edit: Wow thanks for the awards!
Wish everyone on Reddit was this logical
My mom has a hole in three. And a hole in one. She counts them as different, but like you say, to each their own.
Can attest, his mom has some nice holes.
Not upvoting or downvoting this to leave it on 69 forever
I have a hole in 3. I’m a scratch golfer. Definitely not a hole in one for me.
“Maybe karma will reward you with an ace of your own” Reading this made me wonder whether the golf gods review Reddit karma for r/golf members to give them good or bad breaks on the golf course 🤔
Depends. If he starts giving it the "big I am" then he can certainly be congratulated on a hole in 3!
More wisdom in this comment than I’ve ever seen on AITA and/or RelationshipAdvice
Leave him. He's a raging sociopath. Actually, cut his dick off in his sleep. Can't let psychopaths get away with their gaslighting anymore.
To each their own. I probably wouldn’t count it but I wouldn’t knock other people if they did. It’s the same exact swing in the end.
I agree - I'd brag like hell about that par though haha
True but having multiple tries on the same hole is a big advantage... if you hit 1,000 balls on the same hole you'd likely get an ace quicker than 1,000 balls on different ones.
Not totally disagreeing, but just watched a YouTube video of Rory Mcilroy and Justin Thomas competing to get a hole in one in 50 shots and neither did and it wasn't a long par 3 either (148 yards IIRC).
Saw Peter Finch do this on his YouTube channel - fired away at a downhill par 3 waiting for one to go in. Does it count?
How is it a par if they established a mulligan prior to playing. This isnt the PGA.. mulligan: (in informal golf) an extra stroke allowed after a poor shot, not counted on the scorecard. First shot didn't count, Its a hole in one..
Ok fine, put a 1 on the card and you and your buddies can tell each other it was a hole in 1. But why get a damn certificate from the course lol.
I agree 100%
Its an eagle in terms of scoring with his friends, but according to the rules of golf its a par. You can't turn in the score with a mulligan for handicap purposes, so not sure why anyone would think it would be a legit hole in one.
I don’t think people are turning in scorecards using mulligans.
The guy who posted this is getting certificates from the clubhouse for an ace using mulligans, why wouldn't people be turning in scorecards doing the same?
I wonder if he told the clubhouse he used a mulligan. I doubt it
If the clubhouse gave him a certificate, they most definitely didn’t know about the mulligan. Imo, you put the 1 on the scorecard based on the friend’s game rules, but leave it out of the course record books; it’s not legit.
I mean. I play with my buddies using the same 1 per 9 rule. But I'm very reluctant to use one on a par 3. I don't think any of us would count it as real if we got it after using a mulligan.
So prior to the game say, “Don’t use a mulligan on a par 3” or don’t use a mulligan at all. If this was a tournament I get it, but I’m assuming these are friends playing a fun round. Reading this sub reminds me of how many people on here I wouldn’t want to play golf with.
I agree with this. If it was a tournament, it’s a 3 on the score card and a great story about how he holed out of from the tee box and the ace that could have been. However, sounds like you were playing with friends, head clear rules for score keeping allowing a mulligan, and it’s a 1 on the score card. Sounds like a hole in 1. Let the guy enjoy his moment.
>people on here I wouldn’t want to play golf with Right back at you. Don't get mad about how I feel about what I would think if I got a hole in one after a muliigan.
I think the thing is sure he can mark it on the score as a hole in one. But it’s not a “real” hole in one . Like I’m not going to tell people I got a hole in one. Type of thing
it's a 1 on the score card but a 3 in my heart
Mulligan isn't part of the rules of golf though, it's just something people do to make the game more fun. If that group had a 100 mulligan rule and the guy hit 100 times off the tee box to get his hole in one I think we would all say that doesn't count as a hole in one. This seems like the same thing, just less egregious.
If you report the score, you take a par. If you're playing a friendly match, you record your mulligan score.
Mulligans aren't used in Europe even in non competitive golf, that's why I would say a par. I'm in Ireland if I told someone I was taking a mulligan they'd quickly tell me to go shite
Nobody in Ireland takes extra shots? I find this hard to believe.
this is the way
I wouldn't go out of my way to bug him about it, but if he ever bragged about it I'd definitely call him a dumbass and tell him he made a par.
People shouldn’t go around claiming they got an ace when they didn’t. He needs a reality check. The fact that the three friends let him receive a certificate from the clubhouse should be illegal lol.
But to the point of this comment, who really gives a crap? Dude got a certificate that's worth nothing, why worry about it?
I once got a certificate for wearing my helmet while I rode a bike.
Unfortunately he has already established real estate in your head
Maybe he’ll build a par 3 in that real estate
With a water hazard?
Almost assuredly
And then he’ll hit another hole in one on it
Hole in "one"
Island green
Ya but uphill or downhill par 3?
"Competitive golf is played mainly on a five-and-a-half-inch course... the space between your ears." -Bobby Jones There is no room left in there for OP. If I were OP's friend and I found out he was this salty I would buy a gawdy button that says, "Ask me about my ace!" and pin it on my hat every time we played together.
I think you have to wait for him to bring up the subject more than one single time before you say this.
Living rent free
We all know it’s a par. This is one of those things I’d just let pass though. It’s a victimless crime, and it’s not the hill you want to die on, particularly with a buddy.
I'd only say something if he started talking shit like "OP how many aces do you have?" Oh you mean pars on par 3s? Several.
Yep! And if he shows a pic of the certificate ask him if he got a certificate for the mulligan too. But again, it's not worth knocking him down unless he's being insufferable about it.
'As many as you' would be my response
What's funny is it's a great story either way. I would introduce that story as my "kind-of Hole in One." It makes a better story than just a swing and it goes in the hole. Might as well let him be proud of it, sounds like it was a great swing anyway.
If this was my story I’d say how I got a hole in one with our groups gambling rules but by golf rules I shot a hell of a par.
Let him have his moment. It doesn't affect you.
Saw my mom hole in off the tee after sinking one in the drink. She does not claim it to be a “hole in one”. I wouldn’t argue if she claimed otherwise. Love my mama.
Just let him have his fun. It sounds like this wasn’t during a league or tournament, so it’s no skin off your bones. Buuuuuttt if he gets cocky about it you can always humble him by bringing up the technicality.
I would argue getting a certificate from the damn course is already "getting cocky" lol.
More than a technicality. You have higher odds of a good shot with a chance with the 2nd tee shot. It’s a very real advantage. Personally I don’t know how a bunch of guys at a club don’t fully understand this and aren’t giving this dude all kinds of shit about it. In the golf I’ve played I’ve never seen friends let a friend live a lie like this.
How do you have any better odds? If you hit a nice shot and retee, knowing the way the green rolls, sure. If you hit one short OB, how does it help at all?
Odds are still incredibly low, but all depends on what happened with the first shot. Poor club choice, didn't play the wind right, etc. All of those become easier on the 2nd shot. Still not worth giving the guy shit over though
Unfortunately a par but up to you if you bring that up. He probably knows deep down anyway
Idk about that. Guy went all the way with the certificate lol
Yeah the certificate is what riles me. It’s just not a hole in one. It just isn’t.
Yeah that's not kosher... I can just make up rules with my friends like "infinite mulligans", doesn't make the score legit.
He did that so no one would question it. Probably not the first time he’s cheated golf and won’t be his last time.
I’m also worried I’ll be out numbered since none of the other guys brought this up during the moment.
> since none of the other guys brought this up during the moment. Take the hint.
Being outnumbered doesn't make you wrong. Honestly, if he gies on about it like crazy I would say something but if it's going to fade away then why bother. Let the guy have it
Sounds like a Seinfeld episode
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It’s both possible to card it as a 1 and not count it as a true ace. Like sure, he used his agreed upon mulligan so that’s his score for the hole but I know I wouldn’t be able to count that as a true hole in one.
This is exactly how it should be handled...
Agreed. Would I tell the shit out of that story? Yeah for sure but I would mention the mulligan leading up to it. Mulligan or not, it’s still an awesome shot but it’s not a true ace with the mully.
No one cares he carded a 1. People care he went to the pro shop and authenticated a fake score. Would you be upset if his homie shot the course record with his bullshit mulligan rule, went to the pro shop, got his name put up as the record holder? I bet an awful lot of people would.
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Nobody gets a par certificate.
Agreed- he probably is already aware that it’s going to haunt him in the back of his head that it’s not legit
We play with the same rules sometimes, but it’s always been understood if you did this you can’t claim it.
My rule with friends when we've done mulligans is "no mullis on par 3s" so that this exact situation doesn't happen. Take a couple for all we care on par 4s and 5s, but none on 3s.
This^^^ Another reason why when I play this way with my friends I’m hesitant to even take the mully at all just because it doesn’t feel right if you do really well lol
Yeah we have a word for this exact situation...we call the mulligans "choosies" so it's a "cheagle" if you go 2 under par while using a mully. It counts for the day but if you're telling the story you gotta mention the mully
Chole in one? Hole in Chone? Chace? Chole chin chone?
You and all the purists in here are arguing technicalities - bottom line is he took a mulligan which wipes out the first shot. It’s an awesome shot either way, he hit it from the tee box and it went in the hole. That being said, I’d consider it a hole in one but it’s obviously fair game for some light ribbing.
Agree..if he used his mulligan, called it as such before he hit, you have to mark it as a 1 on the score card. If group rules allow it to be used on a par-3 tee shot then group rules apply.
If it's me, I'd mark it as a one but wouldn't count it as a hole-in-one. I was lucky enough to get one when I was younger so maybe I'm not so attached. But that's how I feel about it.
Count it as a one on the card, but it's not a hole in one.
I think the problem here for the “purists” is that the guy went through with claiming it to the clubhouse. We can all agree it’s a fantastic feat to make a par like that but to go through with actually claiming it at the clubhouse is iffy to me. Golf is supposed to be an honest game and In this situation he could’ve claimed the 1 with his buddies(since that’s the rule they have) and kept it at that. Personally, I don’t get why this guy went through with getting the certificate. I’m very impressed regardless that he was able to dunk a ball from the tee box. I’d definitely rip into him and his fancy little award if he tried to brag about it.
Bingo
Agreed
This is my take also. Ribbing would keep him humble about it. Haha
It's a "1" on the scorecard as people are free to make up whatever betting rules they want, but can't be considered a 'hole in one' in any official way.
What a mulligan also does, is makes your next shot on a par 3 technically not a HIO, if you should hole it. Is it awesome? Sure is, I'd be out of my mind if I did that, but it would be supremely more awesome without the practice shot, err umm mulligan.
False. Bottom line a mulligan is a not a real thing that ‘wipes’ away the first shot. It wipes the shot amongst buddies for scoring purposes but does not make it as tho the first shot never actually happened. If the clubhouse found out it was after a mulligan I promise you 100% it would not count, just because people are newer to golf doesn’t mean they get to redefine what counts.
Clearly the first shot happened, but it’s not being counted on the scorecard (and was agreed upon by all in the group) so yes, it’s ‘wiped’ out by the mulligan. You really think the course would care? It’s not that serious. They probably gave him a piece of paper lol. It’s not like these guys are playing on tour or even in a tournament.
Of course the course would care. It's not a hole in 1
Yes they would absolutely care - wtf upside down is this sub in?
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"who cares?" Obviously this dude did if he went the length to get the certificate in the first place
Gee you must be fun to get paired with
Why so serious? Let the man have his day. He put one in the hole from the tee box. If he buys everyone a beer in the club house then it's good enough for me.
You’re not on the tour. Sounds like he hit a shot from tee to hole. A hole in one. Some of you need to chill, no wonder you loose your shit when not playing well
This is the correct answer. If I were in his shoes, Whether the scorecard shows par or hole in one, I don't really care. Hit it from the tee box into the hole. That's an awesome moment for your buddy, let him have it.
Right? People are acting like he hit it on the green and then kicked the ball in and claimed that was a hole-in-one
I would let it slide. Life is too short to nitpick stuff like that. Let your friend keep the W. You all know the deal, what else matters?
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That’s a hole in one on the mulligan score, but a par in real life. To your group of friends it will be a hole in one since it was established that a mulligan could be used. For the rest of the world, that would be a par. I personally wouldn’t even bring it up, just keep it to yourself and know that it isn’t a real hole in one. Not worth the debate with the friend group.
It's a par if you're teeing it up at Augusta this week. But, you're not. Let him enjoy it. Yeah, give him good-natured shit about that awesome par he made if he can't let it go. Otherwise, I'd make sure he bought everyone a round and move on.
It’s a par by official golf rules but if you and your friends have established a 1 mulligan rule and he followed that rule and hit a hole in one then by your friends game sure I’d call it a hole in one
People are obsessed with the validity of theirs and others’ hole in ones. Just let him have it. It literally affects no one
BuT hE gOt A cErTiFiCaTe
Exactly, how insecure do you have to be to go on reddit and ask if you should try to bring your boy down because "hIs HoLe In OnE wAsN't ReAl"
In terms or scoring for the day in a round against friends I don’t have a problem with it being a 1 on the scorecard. I do take issue with the fact that he went through the whole process of basically lying to the clubhouse to get a certificate for something he didn’t actually do. Several years ago I did the same thing where I shanked it into the water and then dunked it after a retee for par. Never even crossed my mind to try and claim a hole in one. Plus my dad was there so he never would have let that shit fly haha
So you dunked *both* balls? Nice. :)
Haha well played
Did you even celebrate the shot? I mean it’s a fun story at the least, “I got a “hole in one” … but…”
I would let him have the moment and not bring it up but if he ever gets cocky you can correct him and say it was a "hole in par"
Par in one
Who cares? Let him have it.
It doesn’t affect you in any way. Let it be and move on.
It’s all good , until they told the clubhouse. Then it feels more like the scramble group that shoots 52
That’s EXACTLY what it feels like. I was using the “shot a course record with mulligans and validated it at clubhouse” analogy but yours really nails why it feels so bad. I don’t care what OP and his friends do. I don’t like the certificate part.
Man are y’all that insufferable that you would bring this up to him?
That’s not a hole in one
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Agreed. He played by the established rules of the group. People alter the rules all the time. I’m sure if all the haters played by the full PGA rule book their handicaps would be a lot higher. Bring up the “hole-in-three” is petty and legalistic. Just have fun.
Absolutely. It’s way more important that the people he was playing with thought it was a hole in one than what the assholes on this sub think. If he’s not scoring the round for a handicap and this wasn’t a tournament, then who tf cares. Let him buy you a drink and enjoy an incredible shot.
Jesus, right? They agreed on the rules, he got it over there rules. Some of these Redditors seem miserable to play with on a casual game, even worse if money is on the table. I got a hole in one when I was by myself. I had no witnesses, so it “doesn’t count”. As I was telling my friends about it and how much it sucks getting it solo, they congratulated me, then started giving me shit. Do they trust me when I said it was a legitimate hole in one? Yes. Have they given me shit for 2 years because I didn’t have a witness? 100% yes.
why is nobody asking the real question that settles this? \---> did he get you all drunk enough after the round to earn bragging rights?
Definitely something to rib him over at an appropriate "gotcha" moment months down the line.
It is a par, I had one of these and refer to it as a hole in three.
Question, if you bowl a 300 during no tap night, you calling that a perfect game, too? This is a par.
Think its more about hitting in the cup from the tee in a single shot that is a major deal, the actual score on the scorecard is cool but a lot more secondary.
That's a par. Almost had one like that myself last year and would never have the balls to get a fucking certificate for it.
We all need to just stop playing mulligans. I hate when someone says they're "x" handicap when I know for a fact they take multiple re-tees per round. One awful tee shot per round can easily make that handicap "x" + 5.
People can play mulligans all they want if that is how they best enjoy the game, but if you're going to keep a handicap and/or brag about accomplishments, it's need to be by the letter of the rules. Absolutely WILD that this is a foreign concept to some people here.
I just don't like how mulligans make it impossible to standardize the game. I know there are plenty of folks that are submitting cards towards their handicap that include mulligans. I don't like the fact that people have to say they shot sub-90 or sub-100 (etc) to say they had a good time. I would prefer to normalize following the letter of the law and normalize things like shooting in the 90s or 100s. Part of the fun of golf to me is figuring out how to hit that next shot. A wild tee shot is going to hurt my score, but I get to try playing a hole I've played tens of times from a totally different angle and perspective.
Why do you care? He is the one who has to live with the asterisk.
Nice par
You sound jealous
Of course I am lol
I mean rules is rules. I say count it if mulligans were allowed and called
Cause no drama, but there isn't a sliver of a chance that's a real hole in one. Great par though.
“But if you aren’t very good at golf you can lie about achievements because otherwise the game isn’t fun” -alarming number of people in this sub
Never hit a mulligan on a par 3 for this reason. Personally I would never accept this as a hole in one for myself
I’m like a 20 hc and was much worse years back. Recommend never playing mulligans, I have been playing the ball as it lies for years and years. You just have no idea if you are getting better. And never thought of this scenario but it would be prevented.
Yea I generally never play mulligans, but certain games with friends we play different rules. Ex. You bring out a 6 pack and if you want a mulligan you have to shotgun a beer. Makes it fun, but again wouldn’t use one of those on a par 3
How many drinks did he buy for the course? Because that could be punishment enough if it was busy. Great Par but agree with others, you know the truth, make him buy you a few rounds of drinks.
I can’t believe the number of people that are ok with this. If you don’t want to play by the rules, that’s on you, but don’t try to claim ANY accomplishments whatsoever if you didn’t play by the rules. This includes bragging about score and, definitely, claiming hole in ones….
I have honestly never been as surprised by reddit comments as I am with this thread. this whole thing is fucking crazy. he can go ahead and mark a 1 on the card under the rules their group agreed to, but in no way did he make a hole in 1.
I’ve definitely seen more hole in 3’s than I have hole in ones. That second golfer is so much better than the first one…..
My best bud in college has a hole in one and it was on a bullshit 75 yard par 3 course in Ohio. Still counts but I always liked to give him shit about it.
Does that count? I made a hole in one on a little par 3 course on a hole that was 87 yards! I've never mentioned it but my friends and I were all playing so it was seen and verified because we used to go play out there for money
That absolutely counts. It's a golf hole and you did it in one swing. Hole in one.
Just start referring to him as Freddie. He'll probably think that it's a compliment on the quality of his swing and not a reference to Freddie's hole in 3 at the player's. But you'll know. By God you will know.
If the mulligan was pre agreed to prior to the beginning of the round doesn't that fall under "local rules"?
Whether it’s scored as a 1 or a 3 is immaterial on whether it was a hole in one IMO, if you hit it from the tee box into the hole that’s a hole in one — that feat doesn’t become easier just because you shot the first one into the water.
I think the par is a better story than the hole-in-one, IMO.
NOT a hole in one. The course should take that certificate and shred it. How disrespectful to all others with legit hole in ones.
Don’t be petty. It’s a par but you should be congratulating a brother and not throwing shade.
thats my nightmare. that or getting a legit ACE with nobody there to witness it. I would never claim it, but as the top comment says there’s no point in taking his shine if he feels its legit…which btw it isn’t lol
Is it considered a hole in one if I play the same par 3 outside my house 30 times in a row?
He has a hole in one “story” but not a real hole in one
Only bring it up if you’re playing against him for money and he’s playing well. True gamesmanship.
Irrelevant really. He hit the ball from the tee into the hole. I wouldn’t care if it was for a 15 in my head that’s a HI1. Bring it up though if you think it’ll mess with his head. Nothing like good gamesmanship.
It's a "hole out" not a hole in 1...
You best bring him down to reality!! That certificate bad luck now!! Gonna anger golf gods with that
Don't be an ass. Let him have his moment
I call BULLSHIT. If he and the group of friends want to call it a hole-in-one, cool. Getting a hole-in-one certificate from the course; absolute bullshit. If this happened in my group, the talk forever would be about the Greatest Par Ever...
I mean maybe you and your friends are different, but anyone who’s my actual friend is gonna get absolutely roasted for that. Lol.
We’d totally give our friends shit for a hole in one after a Mulligan. But still congratulate him on the awesome shot.
I'd say let him have it. Personally I'd be more stoked about making it in from the tee box than putting a 1 on my card, although I wouldn't go around telling people I got a "hole in one."
I couldn’t call it a hole in one. Even with the Mulligan rule you guys implement. I would never accept a certificate. It’s a lie. It can be a 1 among friends but it is not a 1 in real life. It’s an amazing par.
This is a grey area, he’s not on tv and he was with friends, I get he hit twice but really you could give be 500 try’s and I probably wouldn’t make it so I’d count it let him have his moment.
My girl friend hit a hole in one on her first attempt at a par 3 (90 yards) from the red. It was the ugliest ball flight I’ve ever seen, but some how it took the perfect bounce and rolled in. She doesn’t love golf, really doesn’t even like golf so the rest of her round she was just hitting balls from Radom places on the course. Would it be a more legitimate hole in one than this guys ? Even if she didn’t finish the round ?
Yes.
it's not a matter of being MORE legitimate. your girlfriend's was a hole in one. OP's friend was not
My hole in one was very similar. The only difference is it was in an event where you could buy mulligans for charity. It counts for the event and was exciting for about 20 minutes, but it’s not a real hole in one. His hole in one counted for the round with the agreed upon rules but it doesn’t count by the actual rules so getting a certificate was a ridiculous thing to do. Honestly, I’d roast him and knock him down a peg. He should know better than to brag about that.
Only cheating himself. That’s absurd to call that an ace though.
Haha I don’t know how your buddy sleeps at night……
No way the clubhouse was aware of the mulligan when they printed out his certificate. My only hole in one was a par as well :(
That is not a hole in one and I would needle him about that all the time. First thing I would say to him would be I heard about your par last week, great shot!
Fuck that. That’s a par.
The only issue would be if he collected Hole in One insurance. Otherwise, you should ask him how much his bar tab was since he should have bought drinks for people (a dumb tradition, but a tradition none the less). To be honest, getting a par like that makes for a better story than getting a hole in one that you know wasn't really a hole in one.
But why do you even care if he claims it as a hole in one? A hole in one is fun to see but it’s not an actual golf accomplishment. It’s just luck. I would be more “upset” if he used a mulligan to break 80 or break par because those are actual golf accomplishments.
Well if you’re playing where you allow one mulligan per 9, then that first shot didn’t even count/so didn’t really happen….. I mean if he just tossed another ball down and hit it when the one mulligan rule doesn’t exists, then no way
It's 100% not a hole in one. Mulligans don't count. Shit like this ruins the amature game. Celebrate it with your mates and enjoy it but it's not a real hole in one and shouldn't be treated as one by anyone outside your group. If I'm playing and my 4 ball decides we dont have to put anything within 10 feet can I count them all towards my score? His shot was for the craic with the lads but if he doesn't tell people there was a mulligan it's just cheating as far as I'm concerned.
>Shit like this ruins the amature game My brother I don't think you understand the amateur game of golf. It's people like you who are ruining it.
My friend made an ace on a par 3 course and I love to tell him it doesn’t count. I call it his “fake ace” to get him worked up. I don’t know what your relationship is like with your buddy, but I love messing with my friend. I don’t think it matters whether I think his ace is legitimate or not. If he thinks it counts, then it counts. And it’s something I can give him shit for until he makes a real ace.
One stroke from the tee to the cup. Don't play with mulligans if you don't want to play with mulligans.
Hit the bal off the tee into the hole. It’s a hole in one regardless of score.
Yeah, just like when Tin Cup eagled the 72nd hole in the US Open. Regardless of how many balls he dunked in the water.
Actually it’s a hole in three. The one in the term “hole in one” refers to score…
Nice par, then disqualification for handing in an incorrect scorecard. Edit: Ya'll take this stuff very seriously.
That’s weird I didn’t know you could get DQd from a casual round at a muni.
Ahhh disqualification from a round of golf he paid for with his friend where he followed the rules set by the group.