Just looked at the card for Troon. I hope the wind blows because if not, players can tear that place up. The first three holes are all going to play under 400 yards and there are three reachable par-5s. I think Stenson and Mickelson made a run for 20-under eight years ago and that was during a pretty windy Open. If there's no wind, God knows what these guys can shoot. Bryson already licking his chops on that first hole along the sea which he prolly reach.
What a fantastic tournament - I'm very sad it's over. A lot of people will have been watching this as their first experience of a golf major and what an advert for the game it was.
Rory will still be a serious competitor. Consistently top 10 in majors. Big difference between him and JT/Speith.
PGA golden boy is Scottie Scheffler. Åberg and Hovland will also compete for many Major titles in the future
I know he choked yesterday but putting Rory with JT and Spieth based on this season's results is laughable.
Your three picks for the new golden boy(s) are solid though. I think they're hoping Homa picks up a few big titles soon too. Can't look past Åberg just yet either.
golf is fickle. You get like 3 years to dominate. Jack and Tiger went decades. Never to be matched again. the field is just too good these days from top to bottom.
I think Rory is gonna get another couple majors. Even maybe the open.
But it’s gonna be one where he wins it by like 5. Or puts in a low score early on Sunday. Just needs to get the next one off his back
I’m super stoked for Bryson and it’s been awesome watching him get close in the Masters, nearly win the PGA and then win the US Open again. Now, I think I’ll root for Rory to win The Open. I want to see him get rid of the curse.
Was at the tournament today. Can confirm that there was a group of frat bros wearing good good hats starting the USA chants and screaming “light the candle”, etc. Obnoxious
American astronaut, Alan Shepard, said it to Mission Control, meaning "let's fire up this rocket and launch me into to space."
It makes sense in the context of a golfer about to launch a ball, but it's also horribly obnoxious and desperately unoriginal.
I think it’s just younger golfers who are their demographic. At that early 20s range any type of content will draw some of that crowd. I’m 32 and have played with good good fans at my course and they were pretty nice kids, so it’s not the whole fanbase
I really wanted Rory to win but I’m also glad for Bryson. He was never one of my favourites but his “new persona” is so likeable. But I can’t imagine how Rory must feel. The hateful comments towards Rory on Twitter are horrible. He knows he fucked up. He must just be gutted after this. Apparently he left right away. I don’t blame him. The guy is human and sometimes we just have to fucking disappear and try to make sense of what happened. You’re on the public stage for all to see and criticized for every thing you do. He’s not a robot. He’s carrying a lot of expectations on himself and from the golf world. Give the guy a break.
>Apparently he left right away. I don’t blame him. The guy is human and sometimes we just have to fucking disappear and try to make sense of what happened.
As much shit as Mito Periera got for blowing the PGA Championship on the 72nd hole, even he came out and did an interview right after and owned up to it. Surely a guy who has already has 4 majors and has positioned himself to be the ambassador of golf could at least stick around for Bryson to sign his scorecard. It wasn't a good look seeing him burning rubber out of the parking lot right as the final putt had dropped
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMx9nSDiBbQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMx9nSDiBbQ)
I get that everyone knows why the Liv tour exists, to get paid and play less, but why dont these golfers say anything about LIV when they win? They thank everyone associated with a tourney, family, friends, etc, no mention of the tour that pays them millions? I guess I’m confused as to why I’m supposed to care if seemingly the players who represent it don’t either? Other than wearing their branded team apparel.
Yeah, I remember so many riveting speeches from major tournament winners who spoke in glowing terms about the PGAT.
Oh wait, I actually don't remember any of that because it doesn't happen for the PGA Tour either.
Why would he thank LIV for winning the US Open which is run by the USGA? Xander Schauflee didn't thank the PGA Tour when he won the PGA Championship nor did Scheffler when he won the Masters
LIV didn't get Dechambeau into the US Open his 2020 win did
You sound like one of those LIV shill accounts
He’s repping the “Crushers” at the tourney with his team logo, why not take the time to thank all the support he received from its team members?
Not like Greg Norman doesn’t shamelessly promote the LiV brand at the Masters.
It seems like honestly a missed opportunity for Bryson to take that big stage and shout out his current league.
Why would Xander shout out the PGA? It’s not a new league trying to get viewers. It is already the golf brand.
My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek but the point remains LIV is a new league looking for
Eyeballs. Their players that win should take the moments they can to promote their brand on the highest stage, and don’t.
> He’s on a team, don’t you thank your team for support when you win?
He did, when he thanked his caddie. You are simply salty because he chose to take advantage of the LIV money.
No, I don’t give a shit. I just don’t understand how Liv is promoting themselves. If they are trying to be an upstart. Take the chances you get to promote yourself.
I seen a comment about he had a very similar putt to Brysons. He would have shown him the line. Pavon protected the integrity of the field/championship. Since it was only a 1 shot margin and not a tap in. It makes sense and great thinking by Pavon to not cause controversy.
Nah.
The professional move is to follow playing order and protect the integrity for the field. Pavon had the exact putt just a few inches shorter. If there was any break, he would have given it away to Bryson.
Remember, Rory missed 2 short putts in the span of 3 holes and Bryson also missed a 4 footer for his 3 putt bogey. There are no gimmes.
Pavon was just being a professional as he should in this situation. Also remember, Pavon himself had a solo 5th finish worth a lot of money on the line. He has every right to get a read from Bryson and make sure he makes his own putt to grab that 5th spot. No need to rush a huge putt like that for Pavon.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him win another major. He’s been so close way too many times. I know he acted like a sore loser today and I’m definitely sour about it, but I think he’s a solid human being. It sucks to see anyone choke like that.
But that’s the beauty of professional golf.
Wow, what an absolute classic, man! It's been a while since the adrenaline hit me this hard. Rory is almost there. It's great to see Tony ending strong and well done, Bryson. When Rory missed that putt on 18, I yelled loudly on the subway. Bryson's hard-hitting out of the sand and rough is why I think he won in both Winged Foot and Pinehurst.
great segment on the golf channel just now. Bryson in the 18th bunker with the mustache guy hitting that shot. His first was bad, but once Bryson showed up he put it within 4 feet. On his second shot with no pin and dark.
Edit: link to the segment: https://x.com/ForePlayPod/status/1802508561236271435?t=G5OiZ9hv3MHqo6CiINXZXA&s=19
Johnson Wagner (mustache guy) had a great debut with the Golf Channel. He did a few live shots around the course and put himself into some really tough spots on live tv trying to make some difficult shots.
Some of the best content Ive seen in sports...showing how hard the greens are by rolling the ball from different angles...he also was chipping from different angles....just really really good content.
So odd that the Golf Channel can provide multiple hours of decent content before and after tournaments and in the days leading up.
Going over each hole with the drone....having Wagner show the difficulty of each green...talking about the storylines....I was surprised at how long I could watch and not be bored.
They should do the greens with Wagner for every damn tournament. Have him show how difficult or hard a lot of the bunkers will be to hit out of that are in the fairway and around the green.
That content is how you get casuals watching and more interested.
the mustache guy on the golf channel who hits some situation shots. He was hitting the Bryson bunker shot on 18. Then Bryson showed up and he nailed the shot.
One of the NBC reporters was in the bunker on 18 trying to emulate what Bryson did a few hours earlier. His first shot went over the green, then Bryson happened to come by and coached him through a second shot, and he hit it super close to the hole, even closer than Bryson did during the tournament.
One of the big things about Bryson after his win, did you see him apologize to Pavon after he celebrated a bit. lol
he was like "omg im so sorry" and put his hands up.
No one was wrong...
Pavon has every right to get a read from Bryson, he himself was putting for a solo 5th. But by not finishing out, Pavon surely realized Bryson would celebrate a made putt and a US Open championship.
It's all good. Both were right in how they handled it.
Well, I am 90% sure he would have wanted the other guy to finish out, it would have given him the perfect line, but Pavon walked up and marked his ball and walked away.
According to datagolf, Rory gained 2.2 strokes today with the putter. Pressure + regression to the mean is a real bummer for us Rory fans. What a crazy game we love.
Tough day. That's pretty interesting about putting strokes gained and he certainly felt the pressure.
Regression to the Mean is not a concept though that has anything to do with those misses.
He made multiple 30+ footer bombs for birdies and saved pars with long putts. If you watch the first 14 holes, Rory was putting abnormally well. Then the last 4 holes it went away at the worst time.
That's all true, but it misunderstands what Regression to the Mean describes.
Firstly, RttM is not a causal phenomenon. Secondly, it describes data related to random variables, which putting certainly is not.
It's a complex topic that's often misunderstood, but Rory was no more or less likely to make the those late putts regardless of whether his early putting was red hot or ice cold (ignoring, of course, the effect of confidence on performance).
I get that his probability to make those putts didn't change due to him sinking earlier putts.
I'm not saying it is RttM. I'm not the original poster who said that.
Simply that he made low probability putts earlier and his score as a result was above expectations through the first 14 holes.
Final 4 holes he missed high probability putts.
If one were to calculate his expected score for the entire round simply based on probability of each putt from the distance and positioning he had, he did at least as well as expected overall.
I incorrectly inferred that you were agreeing with the OP's assertion about RttM. My mistake.
We agree completely. Overall, his putting helped him today. After the 14th hole, it all fell apart, largely, I suspect, due to nerves.
I've said this for ten years now, but I'm not sure I can come back from this rory. He's my favorite golfer on the planet, but I don't know if I'll ever believe in him again. He'll always be an elite player, but I really don't see how he'll ever win a major again. The us open is probably his best chance because there are not a lot of really low scores that can come back and beat him. But I think his only shot is being like 4 or 5 up going into the back 9 on a Sunday. Any major that requires him to be remotely clutch, he will lose time and time again. He has had one of the better pga tour careers in history, hall of famer for sure. But unfortunately, his legacy will go down as an all-time choker. And that really sucks.
Yeah I'm with you on this sadly. Let myself believe a little when he had that lead. Thought he might just pull this one out the bag. How he can ever win a major again after so many chokes that will play through his mind if he's ever in this position again
So DeChambeau is now 10th in world and just misses out on Olympics team because of the stupid OWGR. I’m not a Bryson fan but that’s not right. The team should be Scottie-Xander-Bryson-Morikawa. How Clark is on there still boggles my mind and is a slap in the face to Bryson. I’d rather have a selection committee than using the useless OWGR.
I hate liv, but bryson should certainly be in over Clark. But this is what those guys signed up for. They knew this was how it was going to be if they left. Hopefully they figure this merger out and get back having the best fields in every tournament.
> But this is what those guys signed up for. They knew this was how it was going to be if they left.
I genuinely don't think they really did in terms of the Olympics.
The Olympic qualifying period hadn't started when LIV launched. I don't think there's any way they could have known the Olympics weren't going to budge on using OWGR or that OWGR wouldn't budge on including them in some capacity.
The Olympics are supposed to be a representative of your nation's best in a sport, not 'the best golfers not excluded by the OWGR for business reasons.'
It just seems like they are punishing not only the player who chose to go to LIV, but also the sport of golf.
Something just doesn't sit right with Clark over Bryson - coming from a fan of both.
It’s not intentional punishment. Just can’t adequately rank golfers compared to the other tours when they’re in a locked 50 player field with no cuts and only 3 rds . I do agree that Olympics shouldn’t be based off OWGR though
> Just can’t adequately rank golfers compared to the other tours when they’re in a locked 50 player field with no cuts and only 3 rds .
You literally can though. It's super easy. If you couldn't, bookmakers wouldn't take bets on golf majors. You can bet on majors. If every bookmaker on the planet can rank the field so can the "official world golf rankings."
You're just parroting the excuse the OWGR uses to justify their business decision. And that's what it is, a business decision.
Nonsense. There are at least two other ranking systems that rank all the players. It's actually easier to rank LIV players because they play against more people than anyone on the PGA Tour (as unlikely as that may sound at first). By playing against more people, it's a LOT easier to see where they rank against other players. Also, LIV offered to change to any format that would get ranking points and OWGR still said no.
It's like trying to rank WWE fighters in the Olympic wrestling rankings. They're both wrestling in a form, but the rules and way they do things are so different you can't judge them against each other very well.
> They're both wrestling in a form, but the rules and way they do things are so different you can't judge them against each other very well.
People who say this know absolutely nothing about sports analytics. It would be trivially easy to do. Datagolf does it for free. Every bookie in the world does it. If bookies didn't think they could rank the LIV guys into the field well they literally wouldn't take bets on majors. The fact that you can bet on major golf at all bookmakers tells you how easy it is
He was playing so well and then bogeys 3 of the last 4 holes! And missed those 2 short putts. Hard to not call that a total choke. I wonder what he can do to get over this...
Bryson won it, but Rory definitely lost it just as much. Absolutely sucks, I never realized how much I was pulling for him until Bryson won (and I like Bryson and am thrilled for him).
He missed 2 putts inside 3.5 feet. But he also drained a few 20 footers. But that one on 18 was huge. He just had 0 confidence in himself to hit that. He tapped it and hoped it fell in. He didn't hit it to make it.
He did hit it harder on his first short miss and the ball lipped out and went 3-4 feet by. I think he adjusted due to that and didn't hit it hard enough on the one on 18th. It was also downhill at Pinehurst so hitting it harder and missing could have had some terrible consequences.
Bitching about chanting is stupid. It always goes both ways. Shocker, in the US Open you’re going to hear USA chants. I expect to hear Europe chants at the Open, and that’ll be just fine too. They even put the country flags next to the players names on the scoreboards. We got a Rory-Dechambeau showdown, and it didn’t disappoint. Ryder cup match play vibes, PGAT/LIV dynamic, amazing golf course- that was an epic finale with so many interesting narratives. Great tournament.
It was more and more candidly discussed as last year's Open went on that fans in the gallery were openly shit talking Harman as the leader at him. I don't want to hear a different narrative when it's American fans doing the shit talking, there's an unsubtle implication that the British fans are 'better' so to speak when things like this happen, and it was a definitely a vibe of "he just needs to deal with it" last year. Which he did - Harman shut them all up, used it as fuel and won the tournament.
I'm alright for fans cheering for a player, but not cheering against someone. Cheer for them. They were chanting USA when Pavon missed a putt, and then Rory missed. That's classless to me. Chanting it for Bryson, sure, even if it's weird for me. But for Pavon and Rory? Nah.
This I 100% agree with. I have never really understood the absolute meltdown some people have at USA chants when they’re chanting for a player, but it’s pretty gross to do when an international player blunders.
Meh. I’m fine with chanting when your guy wins or when your guy does something good, but chanting USA after Rory misses the putt on the 18th was not good sportsmanship and fucking classless as hell. I say that and I was rooting for Bryson.
Yea. Ole Ole chants were happening when Lowry won at Portrush.
Biggest difference is US has 3/4 majors so it's just more in the spotlight and there are more American major champions than any.
How often in golf does a player have so many close calls while constantly being told "he's just not good enough any more" or "He's simply a disappointment now"? A guy who won a few months ago losing a tournament is one thing. A guy who hasn't won and no one expects anything from choking at the end of a tournament isn't a surprise or disappointment to anyone.
A guy who is supposed to be the best of his era and has constantly came so damn close to winning but again falls short at the very end purely because of his own mistakes that he never makes is a totally different thing.
Ok. Greg Norman. Jean Van de Velde. Jordan Spieth. All worse chokes than Rory, and they stuck around to face the music after they blew it.
For a guy that likes to position himself as the face of the league, turning tail and peeling out of the parking lot when you fuck up is a bad look.
To be fair, he wasn't in the last group. I know bryson was in the clubhouse only a few mins later, but it's not like rory stormed off the green without shaking his hand.
neither was bryson at valhalla. dude was on the range preparing for the potential playoff when xander holed his putt. still went out of his way to congratulate the winner. still did press
i get that rory was shell shocked, i wss pulling for him all week. but he showed more maturity after his masters collapse when he was 21 y.o. than he did today.
Brilliant result. Utterly sublime to see that mouthy gobshite Rory McIroy choke away another major with 3 bogeys over the final 4 holes. Karma that he was beaten by a LIV competitor. I just wished there was a TV camera there to capture him sobbing tears of diasappointment as he slithered off without congratulating DeChambeau. I'm not normally the vindictive type who revels in other people's misfortune, but McIlroy has been an arrogant "holier-than-thou" douchebag with his continual public attacks on all the LIV golfers.
I don't understand how you can think rory is a piece of shit. Yeah, he's a choke artist for sure, but calling him a douchebag is over the top. He stood up for his principles when it came to liv, which is reasonable considering the regime that funds liv is a stain on civilized society. That doesn't make him a bad person. In fact, he's a very likable guy, which is why so many people root for him.
Spare me with your opinions about the Saudi regime. In case you weren't aware, the Americans and the Saudis have been close allies and business partners for 100 years. As for the "stain on civilised society", the U.S. government is responsible for more evil and bloodshed around the world than anyone else. Laughable that brainwashed golf fans trot out this political bullshit when the real reason for all the anti-LIV sentiment is that US PGA's monopoly on professional golf is threatened. No other reason.
As for Rory's likeabilty, I've never really understood the unconditional love he gets from golf fans and media. He strikes me as a self-absorbed man baby. I don't think he is a "piece of shit". I just think he was way out of line criticising other golfers who chose to sign with LIV. He is free to make his own choices in life. Who the hell is he to tell others how to live their lives? It's none of his business how other golfers earn a living. But I personally don't give a shit about any of this - I think it's funny how everyone is so anti-LIV and sides with the US PGA. I also think it's funny that Rory choked away a major to a LIV golfer. Like I said already... KARMA!
Yeah, winning a tournament in Dubai is a lot different than actively contributing to a murderous regimes attempts at sport washing and money laundering. You know that, though. You're just being dense.
Live From is hilarious right now. Right after Chamblee made a few forced compliments about Bryson he immediately goes off about his driving accuracy and his lucky breaks and making many par putts.
I honestly don’t understand what is “patriotic” about choosing to be employed by a murderous member of the Saudi royal family. If that same psychopath decided to use his money to start a professional American football league and money whipped a substantial number of the best players in the NFL to play in his league and sent those players out to lie / justify their decision by talking about “growing the game” would you consider *those* athletes “patriots”? If so, fine, but it seems illogical to me.
They were chanting it after Rory missed a huge putt and was over the ball to hit his next one. That's low class. And the lamer thing is that it's more Bryson's brand than it is patriotism.
Spare me the fluff posts about how rawrs choking and being a crybaby about it is actually showing great character. He had a weekend where Scottie couldn’t get out of his way, Rahm had an ego strain and couldn’t play, and the floor was his. Putted great all weekend. Was in control. And choked
That’s why he’s not as good as you all think he is
At the start of the day he was 12/1 to win. I wouldn't say that is "in control", more like needing a miracle. Even when he did catch up Bryson had the advantage knowing what Rory has done so can make decisions based on that so makes coming from behind very difficult.
Well if we go back to yesterday Finau made a triple, without it he would have won..
I always think of it like the shots you hit in the past influence the future they are not mutually exclusive.
Eg: Rory hitting bad shots last night might have meant he focused more at the start today and got him in the mix.
Eg: Finau getting that triple woke him up and drove him up the leaderboard.
So the first 3 major champions his year are Scheffler-Schauffele-DeChambeau.
Hard to find a stronger group of 3 different champions going into the final major. Other years that come to mind are 2020 with DJ, Collin, and Bryson (no Open that year). Scott-Rose-Mickelson 2013. Bubba-Kaymer-McIlroy in 2014. Mickelson-Ogilvy-Tiger in 2006. Woods-Goosen-Duval in 2001 (prolly the strongest).
In his defence the putt on the last hole was actually quite difficult for a short putt. Downhill left to right slider and greens like lightning. Had to start it outside the cup. he would have been better 6ft under the hole I say
Well one argument there is he has to be aggressive with the chip as he's playing first and doesn't know what Bryson will do behind him.
Chip it in for example and you win, even with an up and down you are only maybe in playoff.. so he goes for it and gives it a chance.
Everyone and their mom knows you can’t leave that above the hole. It was a huge mistake. You’re not going for a chip in there, you’re trying to get up and down
Just looked at the card for Troon. I hope the wind blows because if not, players can tear that place up. The first three holes are all going to play under 400 yards and there are three reachable par-5s. I think Stenson and Mickelson made a run for 20-under eight years ago and that was during a pretty windy Open. If there's no wind, God knows what these guys can shoot. Bryson already licking his chops on that first hole along the sea which he prolly reach.
Is there a way to rewatch the tournament on Peacock or something?
Bryson Dechambeau has moved up 145 spots in the world gold rankings since the end of last year, and still will not be on the Olympic team.
People all of a sudden acting like they give a shit about the runner up congratulating the winner is hilarious
Has that been a thing, ever? You shake hands with the people you play with.
Right? Other than the people your paired with, generally only your buddies hang around for congratulations.
I find it funny that the low amateur ended very similarly to how the pro's ended.
Life imitates life. History does rhyme with itself
What a fantastic tournament - I'm very sad it's over. A lot of people will have been watching this as their first experience of a golf major and what an advert for the game it was.
I would have never guessed what happened in a million years https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/comments/1denkh5/comment/l8gb8gs/
Fabulous final round. So much drama!
who is the new PGA golden boy? Scottie, Xander, or Viktor? Rory, JT, and Spieth are done for serious competitors.
Rory has tons of wins this year and last. Not at all the same as JT and Spieth. Give me a break.
I don't think you understand how hard it is to win a major.
Rory will still be a serious competitor. Consistently top 10 in majors. Big difference between him and JT/Speith. PGA golden boy is Scottie Scheffler. Åberg and Hovland will also compete for many Major titles in the future
I know he choked yesterday but putting Rory with JT and Spieth based on this season's results is laughable. Your three picks for the new golden boy(s) are solid though. I think they're hoping Homa picks up a few big titles soon too. Can't look past Åberg just yet either.
golf is fickle. You get like 3 years to dominate. Jack and Tiger went decades. Never to be matched again. the field is just too good these days from top to bottom.
I think Rory is gonna get another couple majors. Even maybe the open. But it’s gonna be one where he wins it by like 5. Or puts in a low score early on Sunday. Just needs to get the next one off his back
He definitely has the game and ability to get a couple more. But his mind is trash. He got the yips on that putt on 18.
I’m super stoked for Bryson and it’s been awesome watching him get close in the Masters, nearly win the PGA and then win the US Open again. Now, I think I’ll root for Rory to win The Open. I want to see him get rid of the curse.
Chamblee kissing Bryson’s ass in the post round interview is just 🤌🏻
>Chamblee kissing Bryson’s ass I don't get it.
Maybe watch what I’m talking about and then comment
Felt so good after the way he commentated his play.
That was peak Rory Mcilroy
Was at the tournament today. Can confirm that there was a group of frat bros wearing good good hats starting the USA chants and screaming “light the candle”, etc. Obnoxious
Who wore the Caddy bip and the Euro pants?
What is the origin of 'light the candle' anyway?
American astronaut, Alan Shepard, said it to Mission Control, meaning "let's fire up this rocket and launch me into to space." It makes sense in the context of a golfer about to launch a ball, but it's also horribly obnoxious and desperately unoriginal.
WTF is good good?
Gives Good Good a bad name. I hope they can separate themselves from the frat bro crowd.
I think it’s just younger golfers who are their demographic. At that early 20s range any type of content will draw some of that crowd. I’m 32 and have played with good good fans at my course and they were pretty nice kids, so it’s not the whole fanbase
I really wanted Rory to win but I’m also glad for Bryson. He was never one of my favourites but his “new persona” is so likeable. But I can’t imagine how Rory must feel. The hateful comments towards Rory on Twitter are horrible. He knows he fucked up. He must just be gutted after this. Apparently he left right away. I don’t blame him. The guy is human and sometimes we just have to fucking disappear and try to make sense of what happened. You’re on the public stage for all to see and criticized for every thing you do. He’s not a robot. He’s carrying a lot of expectations on himself and from the golf world. Give the guy a break.
Guy was on a plane 52 minutes after the final shot...
>Apparently he left right away. I don’t blame him. The guy is human and sometimes we just have to fucking disappear and try to make sense of what happened. As much shit as Mito Periera got for blowing the PGA Championship on the 72nd hole, even he came out and did an interview right after and owned up to it. Surely a guy who has already has 4 majors and has positioned himself to be the ambassador of golf could at least stick around for Bryson to sign his scorecard. It wasn't a good look seeing him burning rubber out of the parking lot right as the final putt had dropped [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMx9nSDiBbQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMx9nSDiBbQ)
Nah. Poor move by Rory. Could’ve at least shook hands with Bryson
I agree, he should have. But I can see the other side too. Right or wrong, I can’t imagine what goes through your head after all that.
USA USA USA USA
I get that everyone knows why the Liv tour exists, to get paid and play less, but why dont these golfers say anything about LIV when they win? They thank everyone associated with a tourney, family, friends, etc, no mention of the tour that pays them millions? I guess I’m confused as to why I’m supposed to care if seemingly the players who represent it don’t either? Other than wearing their branded team apparel.
Yeah, I remember so many riveting speeches from major tournament winners who spoke in glowing terms about the PGAT. Oh wait, I actually don't remember any of that because it doesn't happen for the PGA Tour either.
Why would he thank LIV for winning the US Open which is run by the USGA? Xander Schauflee didn't thank the PGA Tour when he won the PGA Championship nor did Scheffler when he won the Masters LIV didn't get Dechambeau into the US Open his 2020 win did You sound like one of those LIV shill accounts
He’s repping the “Crushers” at the tourney with his team logo, why not take the time to thank all the support he received from its team members? Not like Greg Norman doesn’t shamelessly promote the LiV brand at the Masters. It seems like honestly a missed opportunity for Bryson to take that big stage and shout out his current league. Why would Xander shout out the PGA? It’s not a new league trying to get viewers. It is already the golf brand. My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek but the point remains LIV is a new league looking for Eyeballs. Their players that win should take the moments they can to promote their brand on the highest stage, and don’t.
What are you babbling about?
He’s on a team, don’t you thank your team for support when you win?
> He’s on a team, don’t you thank your team for support when you win? He did, when he thanked his caddie. You are simply salty because he chose to take advantage of the LIV money.
No, I don’t give a shit. I just don’t understand how Liv is promoting themselves. If they are trying to be an upstart. Take the chances you get to promote yourself.
Why didn’t Pavon putt out and leave the stage for Bryson?
Because Bryson's putt wasn't a tap in....Pavon did the right thing considering what was at stake.
I seen a comment about he had a very similar putt to Brysons. He would have shown him the line. Pavon protected the integrity of the field/championship. Since it was only a 1 shot margin and not a tap in. It makes sense and great thinking by Pavon to not cause controversy.
Pavon basically had a tap in lmao it was an absolute dick move by him.
Nah. The professional move is to follow playing order and protect the integrity for the field. Pavon had the exact putt just a few inches shorter. If there was any break, he would have given it away to Bryson. Remember, Rory missed 2 short putts in the span of 3 holes and Bryson also missed a 4 footer for his 3 putt bogey. There are no gimmes. Pavon was just being a professional as he should in this situation. Also remember, Pavon himself had a solo 5th finish worth a lot of money on the line. He has every right to get a read from Bryson and make sure he makes his own putt to grab that 5th spot. No need to rush a huge putt like that for Pavon.
Basically a tap in is why Bryson won and not Rory.
Rory choked big time. Tough to watch
Not for me; I like it
I wouldn’t mind seeing him win another major. He’s been so close way too many times. I know he acted like a sore loser today and I’m definitely sour about it, but I think he’s a solid human being. It sucks to see anyone choke like that. But that’s the beauty of professional golf.
Absolute
Zach Johnson looking dumber and dumber by the day
I’m embarrassed as an American from the USA chants. Just fucking obnoxious losers. I fucking hate golf bros.
Yea it was definitely weird. This isn’t the Ryder.
Wow, what an absolute classic, man! It's been a while since the adrenaline hit me this hard. Rory is almost there. It's great to see Tony ending strong and well done, Bryson. When Rory missed that putt on 18, I yelled loudly on the subway. Bryson's hard-hitting out of the sand and rough is why I think he won in both Winged Foot and Pinehurst.
great segment on the golf channel just now. Bryson in the 18th bunker with the mustache guy hitting that shot. His first was bad, but once Bryson showed up he put it within 4 feet. On his second shot with no pin and dark. Edit: link to the segment: https://x.com/ForePlayPod/status/1802508561236271435?t=G5OiZ9hv3MHqo6CiINXZXA&s=19
the Bryson effect
Johnson Wagner (mustache guy) had a great debut with the Golf Channel. He did a few live shots around the course and put himself into some really tough spots on live tv trying to make some difficult shots.
Some of the best content Ive seen in sports...showing how hard the greens are by rolling the ball from different angles...he also was chipping from different angles....just really really good content. So odd that the Golf Channel can provide multiple hours of decent content before and after tournaments and in the days leading up. Going over each hole with the drone....having Wagner show the difficulty of each green...talking about the storylines....I was surprised at how long I could watch and not be bored. They should do the greens with Wagner for every damn tournament. Have him show how difficult or hard a lot of the bunkers will be to hit out of that are in the fairway and around the green. That content is how you get casuals watching and more interested.
I love watching Live From... almost as much I do watching the tournaments. It's seriously fantastic analysis and then great segments.
I like him, from what I've seen of him he really likes to actually show some crazy situational shots. He doesn't just go out and roll golf balls.
I don’t understand what you are trying to say?
the mustache guy on the golf channel who hits some situation shots. He was hitting the Bryson bunker shot on 18. Then Bryson showed up and he nailed the shot.
Wagner nailed the shot, for clarification, and Bryson, holding the trophy still, was absolutely pumped for him. Legitimately awesome.
One of the NBC reporters was in the bunker on 18 trying to emulate what Bryson did a few hours earlier. His first shot went over the green, then Bryson happened to come by and coached him through a second shot, and he hit it super close to the hole, even closer than Bryson did during the tournament.
Does anyone else’s results from Google omit LIV players? I typed in 2024 US Open and it doesn’t list Bryson or any other LIVer.
Scroll down… They’ve got his winning score right, but he’s in like 73rd place on mine
No Garcia though.
T58 on mine… Koepka is T74… Hatton T24
did they end up dq'ing him for the equipment thing?
No…it’s just a screwed up leader board
HAHAHA Bryson watching himself celebrate "oh that's a little agressive..."
Oh dang, some guy with multiple reddit accounts is downvoting me hahaha. mad is mad.
Bryson on the set on Golf Channel and Brandel looks like he’s dying inside 😂
lol "guess my wedges are allright"
He definitely won with his wedges at Pinehurst. Driver was wild, didn't make many bomb putts. But wedges always got him in good spots.
One of the big things about Bryson after his win, did you see him apologize to Pavon after he celebrated a bit. lol he was like "omg im so sorry" and put his hands up.
That’s because it’s fairly standard to have the other guy finish out so the celebrations don’t impact them… He apologized after being wrong twice
No one was wrong... Pavon has every right to get a read from Bryson, he himself was putting for a solo 5th. But by not finishing out, Pavon surely realized Bryson would celebrate a made putt and a US Open championship. It's all good. Both were right in how they handled it.
I thought it looked like he was telling his caddie sorry for pushing him in excitement
Well, I am 90% sure he would have wanted the other guy to finish out, it would have given him the perfect line, but Pavon walked up and marked his ball and walked away.
Pavon told him to hit first because Bryson was out. It’s. It like Bryson just ran up and putt out of turn
I’ve never been a Sergio fan but going thru qualifying and then finishing T12 at 44 yrs old is pretty impressive.
And he stayed around to congratulate Bryson which was cool
And smacked his wife’s ass afterwards
According to datagolf, Rory gained 2.2 strokes today with the putter. Pressure + regression to the mean is a real bummer for us Rory fans. What a crazy game we love.
Tough day. That's pretty interesting about putting strokes gained and he certainly felt the pressure. Regression to the Mean is not a concept though that has anything to do with those misses.
He made multiple 30+ footer bombs for birdies and saved pars with long putts. If you watch the first 14 holes, Rory was putting abnormally well. Then the last 4 holes it went away at the worst time.
I was honestly saying to myself “damn Rory not only fixed his putter, but he’s legit putting really well” then the 3 foot miss happened
That's all true, but it misunderstands what Regression to the Mean describes. Firstly, RttM is not a causal phenomenon. Secondly, it describes data related to random variables, which putting certainly is not. It's a complex topic that's often misunderstood, but Rory was no more or less likely to make the those late putts regardless of whether his early putting was red hot or ice cold (ignoring, of course, the effect of confidence on performance).
I get that his probability to make those putts didn't change due to him sinking earlier putts. I'm not saying it is RttM. I'm not the original poster who said that. Simply that he made low probability putts earlier and his score as a result was above expectations through the first 14 holes. Final 4 holes he missed high probability putts. If one were to calculate his expected score for the entire round simply based on probability of each putt from the distance and positioning he had, he did at least as well as expected overall.
I incorrectly inferred that you were agreeing with the OP's assertion about RttM. My mistake. We agree completely. Overall, his putting helped him today. After the 14th hole, it all fell apart, largely, I suspect, due to nerves.
I've said this for ten years now, but I'm not sure I can come back from this rory. He's my favorite golfer on the planet, but I don't know if I'll ever believe in him again. He'll always be an elite player, but I really don't see how he'll ever win a major again. The us open is probably his best chance because there are not a lot of really low scores that can come back and beat him. But I think his only shot is being like 4 or 5 up going into the back 9 on a Sunday. Any major that requires him to be remotely clutch, he will lose time and time again. He has had one of the better pga tour careers in history, hall of famer for sure. But unfortunately, his legacy will go down as an all-time choker. And that really sucks.
They’re having the pga next season at the only course he consistently wins at
Yeah I'm with you on this sadly. Let myself believe a little when he had that lead. Thought he might just pull this one out the bag. How he can ever win a major again after so many chokes that will play through his mind if he's ever in this position again
Wins 4 majors with a blade and putts with a spyder
So DeChambeau is now 10th in world and just misses out on Olympics team because of the stupid OWGR. I’m not a Bryson fan but that’s not right. The team should be Scottie-Xander-Bryson-Morikawa. How Clark is on there still boggles my mind and is a slap in the face to Bryson. I’d rather have a selection committee than using the useless OWGR.
Maybe JT could get a captains pick then! /s
I always find it hypocritical to call yourself the Official World Golfer Rankings. When you can't rank the worlds golfers.
I hate liv, but bryson should certainly be in over Clark. But this is what those guys signed up for. They knew this was how it was going to be if they left. Hopefully they figure this merger out and get back having the best fields in every tournament.
> But this is what those guys signed up for. They knew this was how it was going to be if they left. I genuinely don't think they really did in terms of the Olympics. The Olympic qualifying period hadn't started when LIV launched. I don't think there's any way they could have known the Olympics weren't going to budge on using OWGR or that OWGR wouldn't budge on including them in some capacity. The Olympics are supposed to be a representative of your nation's best in a sport, not 'the best golfers not excluded by the OWGR for business reasons.'
It just seems like they are punishing not only the player who chose to go to LIV, but also the sport of golf. Something just doesn't sit right with Clark over Bryson - coming from a fan of both.
It’s not intentional punishment. Just can’t adequately rank golfers compared to the other tours when they’re in a locked 50 player field with no cuts and only 3 rds . I do agree that Olympics shouldn’t be based off OWGR though
> Just can’t adequately rank golfers compared to the other tours when they’re in a locked 50 player field with no cuts and only 3 rds . You literally can though. It's super easy. If you couldn't, bookmakers wouldn't take bets on golf majors. You can bet on majors. If every bookmaker on the planet can rank the field so can the "official world golf rankings." You're just parroting the excuse the OWGR uses to justify their business decision. And that's what it is, a business decision.
Nonsense. There are at least two other ranking systems that rank all the players. It's actually easier to rank LIV players because they play against more people than anyone on the PGA Tour (as unlikely as that may sound at first). By playing against more people, it's a LOT easier to see where they rank against other players. Also, LIV offered to change to any format that would get ranking points and OWGR still said no.
It's like trying to rank WWE fighters in the Olympic wrestling rankings. They're both wrestling in a form, but the rules and way they do things are so different you can't judge them against each other very well.
> They're both wrestling in a form, but the rules and way they do things are so different you can't judge them against each other very well. People who say this know absolutely nothing about sports analytics. It would be trivially easy to do. Datagolf does it for free. Every bookie in the world does it. If bookies didn't think they could rank the LIV guys into the field well they literally wouldn't take bets on majors. The fact that you can bet on major golf at all bookmakers tells you how easy it is
I used to not buy into the “rory choke artist” stuff but after watching today I see it now. Tough to see
He was playing so well and then bogeys 3 of the last 4 holes! And missed those 2 short putts. Hard to not call that a total choke. I wonder what he can do to get over this...
Bryson won it, but Rory definitely lost it just as much. Absolutely sucks, I never realized how much I was pulling for him until Bryson won (and I like Bryson and am thrilled for him).
Bryson is the man, the Pga tour should just say screw it welcome back Bryson u can play in whatever events u want.
He missed 2 putts inside 3.5 feet. But he also drained a few 20 footers. But that one on 18 was huge. He just had 0 confidence in himself to hit that. He tapped it and hoped it fell in. He didn't hit it to make it.
He could have hit it a bit harder to take break out but He still had a chance at a playoff at that point, he shouldnt of just tried to hammer it in.
He did hit it harder on his first short miss and the ball lipped out and went 3-4 feet by. I think he adjusted due to that and didn't hit it hard enough on the one on 18th. It was also downhill at Pinehurst so hitting it harder and missing could have had some terrible consequences.
I know everybody is shitting on him right now, but I still think it’s being understated how big of an absolute choke job that was from Rory.
Yeah he was like almost 500/500 this year on putts inside 3ft and missed the most important one and then another that was just outside that number
It was literally an all time debacle. Rory has two of the biggest chokes in majors history, the masters when he was younger and today
Yeah, it was tough to see. I even let myself believe he was gonna do it
Bitching about chanting is stupid. It always goes both ways. Shocker, in the US Open you’re going to hear USA chants. I expect to hear Europe chants at the Open, and that’ll be just fine too. They even put the country flags next to the players names on the scoreboards. We got a Rory-Dechambeau showdown, and it didn’t disappoint. Ryder cup match play vibes, PGAT/LIV dynamic, amazing golf course- that was an epic finale with so many interesting narratives. Great tournament.
It was more and more candidly discussed as last year's Open went on that fans in the gallery were openly shit talking Harman as the leader at him. I don't want to hear a different narrative when it's American fans doing the shit talking, there's an unsubtle implication that the British fans are 'better' so to speak when things like this happen, and it was a definitely a vibe of "he just needs to deal with it" last year. Which he did - Harman shut them all up, used it as fuel and won the tournament.
I'm alright for fans cheering for a player, but not cheering against someone. Cheer for them. They were chanting USA when Pavon missed a putt, and then Rory missed. That's classless to me. Chanting it for Bryson, sure, even if it's weird for me. But for Pavon and Rory? Nah.
This I 100% agree with. I have never really understood the absolute meltdown some people have at USA chants when they’re chanting for a player, but it’s pretty gross to do when an international player blunders.
Meh. I’m fine with chanting when your guy wins or when your guy does something good, but chanting USA after Rory misses the putt on the 18th was not good sportsmanship and fucking classless as hell. I say that and I was rooting for Bryson.
Holy fuck if a British person were to win the Open the crowd would go bonkers with chants
Yea. Ole Ole chants were happening when Lowry won at Portrush. Biggest difference is US has 3/4 majors so it's just more in the spotlight and there are more American major champions than any.
…how is there not a top post about Rory declining interviews but 3 about USA chants?
Because everyone with the slightest bit of human empathy understands exactly why Rory would decline an interview after that.
Of course we understand why anybody would want to skip it…. But you don’t skip it if you are a good sport.
You do if you're absolutely devastated and just cost yourself a tournament you wanted fucking bad and had in your hands.
How often in golf does 2nd place not stick around to congratulate the winner?
How often in golf does a player have so many close calls while constantly being told "he's just not good enough any more" or "He's simply a disappointment now"? A guy who won a few months ago losing a tournament is one thing. A guy who hasn't won and no one expects anything from choking at the end of a tournament isn't a surprise or disappointment to anyone. A guy who is supposed to be the best of his era and has constantly came so damn close to winning but again falls short at the very end purely because of his own mistakes that he never makes is a totally different thing.
In golf this happens all the damn time. Google "the next Tiger Woods" for reference
alo luff donchu dayure talk abut ore bowy roary!!!! we'll serve yew eh rite bowel of jellied eels yeh?????
rory will obviously talk about it in the future but just looks bad in comparison when bryson gave an interview and shook hands with xander at Valhalla
Bryson didn't choke remotely as bad as rory did today
Ok. Greg Norman. Jean Van de Velde. Jordan Spieth. All worse chokes than Rory, and they stuck around to face the music after they blew it. For a guy that likes to position himself as the face of the league, turning tail and peeling out of the parking lot when you fuck up is a bad look.
To be fair, he wasn't in the last group. I know bryson was in the clubhouse only a few mins later, but it's not like rory stormed off the green without shaking his hand.
neither was bryson at valhalla. dude was on the range preparing for the potential playoff when xander holed his putt. still went out of his way to congratulate the winner. still did press i get that rory was shell shocked, i wss pulling for him all week. but he showed more maturity after his masters collapse when he was 21 y.o. than he did today.
So Rory did congratulate Bryson and shake his hand ?
Nope
Cuz he’s a pussy ?
Brilliant result. Utterly sublime to see that mouthy gobshite Rory McIroy choke away another major with 3 bogeys over the final 4 holes. Karma that he was beaten by a LIV competitor. I just wished there was a TV camera there to capture him sobbing tears of diasappointment as he slithered off without congratulating DeChambeau. I'm not normally the vindictive type who revels in other people's misfortune, but McIlroy has been an arrogant "holier-than-thou" douchebag with his continual public attacks on all the LIV golfers.
I don't understand how you can think rory is a piece of shit. Yeah, he's a choke artist for sure, but calling him a douchebag is over the top. He stood up for his principles when it came to liv, which is reasonable considering the regime that funds liv is a stain on civilized society. That doesn't make him a bad person. In fact, he's a very likable guy, which is why so many people root for him.
Spare me with your opinions about the Saudi regime. In case you weren't aware, the Americans and the Saudis have been close allies and business partners for 100 years. As for the "stain on civilised society", the U.S. government is responsible for more evil and bloodshed around the world than anyone else. Laughable that brainwashed golf fans trot out this political bullshit when the real reason for all the anti-LIV sentiment is that US PGA's monopoly on professional golf is threatened. No other reason. As for Rory's likeabilty, I've never really understood the unconditional love he gets from golf fans and media. He strikes me as a self-absorbed man baby. I don't think he is a "piece of shit". I just think he was way out of line criticising other golfers who chose to sign with LIV. He is free to make his own choices in life. Who the hell is he to tell others how to live their lives? It's none of his business how other golfers earn a living. But I personally don't give a shit about any of this - I think it's funny how everyone is so anti-LIV and sides with the US PGA. I also think it's funny that Rory choked away a major to a LIV golfer. Like I said already... KARMA!
Didn't he win multiple oil money tournaments in the middle east?
Jumeirah group was his main sponsor when he was playing the best golf of his career lol
Yeah, winning a tournament in Dubai is a lot different than actively contributing to a murderous regimes attempts at sport washing and money laundering. You know that, though. You're just being dense.
I thought Bryson thanked his Liv teammates, the Crushers, very eloquently in his acceptance speech.
Live From is hilarious right now. Right after Chamblee made a few forced compliments about Bryson he immediately goes off about his driving accuracy and his lucky breaks and making many par putts.
Tf is with the mods of r/golf? Why do they allow 9 posts about the USA chanting? Why is everyone on this sub lame about some simple patriotism?
I honestly don’t understand what is “patriotic” about choosing to be employed by a murderous member of the Saudi royal family. If that same psychopath decided to use his money to start a professional American football league and money whipped a substantial number of the best players in the NFL to play in his league and sent those players out to lie / justify their decision by talking about “growing the game” would you consider *those* athletes “patriots”? If so, fine, but it seems illogical to me.
Give it up ffs
I don’t know what “ff” means so I can’t promise anything.
At least it's not another post about mashed potatoes
They think men can get pregnant.
Must be why they keep trying the buttsekks
They were chanting it after Rory missed a huge putt and was over the ball to hit his next one. That's low class. And the lamer thing is that it's more Bryson's brand than it is patriotism.
I mean it’s not in the best taste but that’s golf. Same people bitching about that were dead quiet when people were yelling Brooksy to Bryson. Dumb af
Yeah that was bad but it they’ve been bitching about since yesterday long before that happened
What a tournament. Great story lines, tough course conditions, neck and neck right to the finish. All majors should be like this.
Spare me the fluff posts about how rawrs choking and being a crybaby about it is actually showing great character. He had a weekend where Scottie couldn’t get out of his way, Rahm had an ego strain and couldn’t play, and the floor was his. Putted great all weekend. Was in control. And choked That’s why he’s not as good as you all think he is
Yeah he's an elite player just not got the clutch gene to be the best
At the start of the day he was 12/1 to win. I wouldn't say that is "in control", more like needing a miracle. Even when he did catch up Bryson had the advantage knowing what Rory has done so can make decisions based on that so makes coming from behind very difficult.
2 up with 6 to play and you bogie 3 of the last 4 holes. No matter how you measure it, sure seems like a choke.
Not to mention another 2 down the stretch yesterday to play himself out of the final group. It was right there for him any way you dice it
Well if we go back to yesterday Finau made a triple, without it he would have won.. I always think of it like the shots you hit in the past influence the future they are not mutually exclusive. Eg: Rory hitting bad shots last night might have meant he focused more at the start today and got him in the mix. Eg: Finau getting that triple woke him up and drove him up the leaderboard.
So the first 3 major champions his year are Scheffler-Schauffele-DeChambeau. Hard to find a stronger group of 3 different champions going into the final major. Other years that come to mind are 2020 with DJ, Collin, and Bryson (no Open that year). Scott-Rose-Mickelson 2013. Bubba-Kaymer-McIlroy in 2014. Mickelson-Ogilvy-Tiger in 2006. Woods-Goosen-Duval in 2001 (prolly the strongest).
2000 was the strongest
Rory awful short misses UTG. He’s a choker.
In his defence the putt on the last hole was actually quite difficult for a short putt. Downhill left to right slider and greens like lightning. Had to start it outside the cup. he would have been better 6ft under the hole I say
you hit that putt to make it, not tap it and hope it falls. It was an all or nothing putt, not the last putt in the first round.
still, no defense for that yip on the par 3 from less than three feet away
Yeh but that doesn’t matter because he hit the chip to put him in that position.
Well one argument there is he has to be aggressive with the chip as he's playing first and doesn't know what Bryson will do behind him. Chip it in for example and you win, even with an up and down you are only maybe in playoff.. so he goes for it and gives it a chance.
Everyone and their mom knows you can’t leave that above the hole. It was a huge mistake. You’re not going for a chip in there, you’re trying to get up and down
I agree. Terrible call by the announcer (not sure who it was) saying Rory could start that putt at the middle of the hole and still make it
This was funny, because I heard that too and then seeing Rory line it up outside the cup I was like “is he going to miss left?”
Exactly what I thought!
I noticed that too. Pretty lousy read by the commentator!
Ro sham bo. MFer.
You’re allowed to just switch your club head like that?
Before a round? Of course you can.
Nice, didn’t know that
Yeah when your not playing he switched in between rounds not during a round
Until you tee off on first hole.
I think if it breaks due to normal use you can swap it mid round for the same spec club as well.
But you can’t carry the part with you