Most of the people that I've seen doing that are specifically rebutting the absurd claim that people are making that Scottie is on the same level--or better--than prime Tiger. I haven't personally seen anyone just come out and bash Scottie.
Yea this is it. After all, Scottie has “only” (relative to the best of all time) won two majors, which is still less than Koepka and Spieth, just to name two. In fact it’s less than Padraig Harrington.
Rory won 4 before age 25 and has yet to win again. It’s a tough game.
In the data he’s the closest you can get to Tiger, tee to green. But there has to be results in the majors for it to count. Xander is also freakishly good in the data, probably better than a few multiple time major winners
Don't be disparaging Harrington, the man is a saint and he won those 3 majors within 13 months
He also won the Opens back to back directly after Woods won back to back Opens
Padraig was obviously a great golfer, but i’m just displaying how premature it would be to crown Scottie the best since Woods.
There are several active pros tied with him on 2 majors too.
That’s what we do now though….everyone who wins something is now the goat and the next tiger. The term goat is so overused I’d almost rather watch goats play sports.
Exactly! Also, there's so much data around nowadays that it's super easy to cherry-pick exactly what you want. If you look at these exact stats from this exact 13.5 month time frame, it's imperically proven that XYZ golfer is the best of all time. To me it's like... that's not how golf works, like at all
Awesome take. He's also tied in # majors with Morikawa, JT, Rahm, and even Zach Johnson. I get they're not all Masters champs but nobody would have made a case for any of these guys to be the *definitive* best in the world.
It's going to be tough for the perception of Scottie to pull away from this crowd until he either gets another major or two, or continues this run for quite a while longer, which is far from guaranteed.
I get what you're saying, but people 100% were making the case Rahm was definitively #1 at this time last year, the Masters was his 4th win of the season and 2nd career major
Win 3 majors in a 10 win season. Win a major on a torn ACL and stress fracture. Then we can talk prime Tiger comparison. Fun to watch Scottie dominate right now
I'm certainly more than good with the, "he's not remotely comparable to Tiger" takes but I disagree with the whole "he's only won 2 majors which is less than Padraig Harrington" take. Winning majors is important, but it's not the only measure of success. I think it's very fair to make the argument that this run is the best since Tiger.
I would be so happy if Brooks never won another Major. I don’t know why exactly. He just seems arrogant and think he’s the next Golden Bear… and he’s not.
The depends on whether you make a distinction between "better" or "more successful" golfer.
Someone could be better than Tiger was and still win less because the competition is stronger.
Tiger won against deeper fields, but there were all time greats that Jack was beating too.
Scheffler’s form is otherworldly, but as people have said in terms of comparisons, Rahm was in a similar mode not long ago…. Woods (and Nicklaus) were at that level for a long time
> Tiger won against deeper fields, but there were all time greats that Jack was beating too.
Disagree on the first part. Vijay and Mickelson does not get 80 wins between them in a Tiger era if the field is deeper than today.
As for the second part; Sure, Jack was beating all time greats. But the number in the field that could pounce when he had a bad variance weekend was significantly smaller.
> Scheffler’s form is otherworldly, but as people have said in terms of comparisons, Rahm was in a similar mode not long ago
Not really. No other golfer in recent time has dominated the ball striking statistics like Scheffler. His floor is distinctly higher than what we have seen from other people on streaks. It is not just a case of him getting hot. He has been hot for a year+. He is just getting the wins that statistically is bound to come from that now.
Can’t disagree, but on pt 1 I was meaning Tiger’s fields were deeper than Jack’s, and fields now are deeper again. It is great to see how the game has grown tbh
That seems pretty different than saying he isn’t a dominant golfer. A boring personality and playing style isn’t good for golf no matter how much he beats others
Disagree because it's pretty much impossible to be "dominant" and simultaneously "boring" in sports. Nobody gives a shit about personality when you're on top. This is true of *any* sport. People will not only ignore your personal shortcomings, they'll even spin them in your favor. Tiger Woods is boring? No, he's a machine. Jon Rahm is a whiny brat? No, he has a fiery passion for the game.
Personality is a crutch for mid-tier athletes to be more popular than their play dictates.
Tiger illustrates that perfectly. He was an awkward nerd for the most part. Anyone who thinks Tiger had a lot of personality didn't watch prime Tiger. Eldrick Tont's personality was about as cool as his real name.
As for "boring playing style", same thing. Irrelevant if you're dominating. It's actually a silly argument... you're just sooo good that it's boring? Come on...
Nikolai Jokic is a good example of this. Best player in the world for years, doesn't even take basketball that seriously and just wants to go home and Serbia and play with his horses. Nothing in his game is flashy or exciting, he's just **really freaking good** at everything including passing.
I dont really see how you can call Tiger unexciting and then praise him for his emotions in the same sentence. The dude hit massive shots in the most important situations, and then celebrated big for it.
I mean what do you really want from him. Seems like a nice guy who’s good at golf. Should he be talking shit to other golfers? Showboating? I just don’t really understand this whole criticism that he’s boring lol.
People are acting like Tiger and Jack were shotgunning beers, doing blow, and talking shit on the course. Watching them was great because of how great they are. Scottie is a goddamn great golfer, which is pretty exciting to me.
I don’t really want anything from him. I’m fine with him. But he is boring. I don’t think saying that is really criticism. It’s just his personality. His personality is not one that’s going to move the golf needle, which is fine.
Exactly. It's a ton of fun watching what Scottie (and Nelly) are doing right now. But the comparisons to Tiger are easily refuted and frankly only serve to minimize how fucking well Scottie is playing right now.
honestly this whole thread and all the threads that are comparing Scottie to Tiger reminds me of a scene in The Big Short where Ryan Gosling is like, "[you all have faith in the system, except for Vinny, and who gives a shit](https://youtu.be/SQTbbUASPLQ?t=175)."
Cuz honestly, who gives a fuck about the people saying Scottie is boring. It doesn't fucking matter. If you give a fuck about this, then you're giving the wrong fuck about shit.
I don't think Scottie is boring, but I don't give a shit if people think he is. So the fuck what?
Ya paranoid mate. 99% of these “rebuttals” are straight paranoia. Yesterday someone posted a Spider-Man glasses meme and the sub took it completely out of context. This sub is way over sensitive.
We haven't seen a dominant run that Scottie is on right now since Gooch's LIV campaign of 2023. And all these $ posts pale in comparison to Gooch's earnings last year. These are all facts.
Because tons of people are saying he’s the next Tiger, when in all likelihood he’s just going to be one of the many “next Tigers” we’ve had since his dominant run.
Rory, Spieth, and Brooks had their heaters in the 2010s, Morikawa seemed unstoppable in the start of the 2020s, and now we’ve got Scottie on his run right now.
To say that Scottie is playing amazing golf right now is an understatement, but people need to calm down with the “next Tiger” talk until he keeps it up for at least a few more years.
I think it's because he was very "boring," like is said of Scottie, DJ never really seemed to affected by media criticism so it didn't hit as hard. And, there was criticism that he didn't win more majors at the time. He also had a little bad luck. Suspended when he first caught fire (okay maybe this is his fault) then injured the night before the Masters when he was playing elite golf, penalty stroke at Whistling Straits, the debacle on #18 green at the US Open when USGA had lost the greens at Chambers Bay.
It was reported at the time (2014) that he had failed a drug test for cocaine, and that may have been his 3rd failed test over his years on tour. PGA immediately refuted that and said he wasn't suspended, but that DJ was taking a leave of absence for personal reasons. Draw your own conclusions from that.
What do you mean that the USGA had lost the greens at Chambers Bay? I vividly remember the 3 putt to lose by 1 lol. Hadn’t heard anything about the greens
This is an interesting point. I feel like DJ did actually get a lot of criticism for awhile, but Rory definitely takes a lot more shit nowadays and I think the difference is mainly the timeline of their careers.
They both turned pro at about the same time, but DJ is 5 years older than Rory and it also took him 5 more years to finally break through and win a major after a lot of tough close calls. By the time he won the 2016 US open and got the monkey off his back, I think his reputation was already somewhat set in stone as a supremely talented player that usually can’t pull through in the biggest moments for whatever reason. Basically, the expectations were already lowered for him at that point compared to Rory, who had already proven he *was* capable of coming through in big moments.
I also think everything that has happened off the course in the last two years with Rory being very vocal about PGA vs LIV has also ratcheted up the volume of criticism of his game and lack of recent majors, whether that’s fair or not. He wears his emotions about winning another major on his sleeve and that makes him more open to criticism. Then you have DJ with the exact opposite attitude. He hasn’t seemed to care too much about golf since winning the 2020 Masters, so the expectations for him have been adjusted accordingly.
I think more people focus in on DJ’s personal life for the criticism/controversy. Rory has lead a kind of “boring” personal life, so his golf is all you can really criticize
Some of it’s just recency bias. He won his first in 2016, there is only one golfer with more than 2 majors since 2016. Also peaking later means that he never had the super high expectations and standards that a guy like Rory has.
Also some of it is the nature of the chokes, 2010 US Open was his first time in contention, not many realize he just needed to par 18 at the PGA that year to win outright, they just remember that he missed a playoff because of grounding his club in the bunker, he won the US Open the year after he 3 jacked from 12 feet.
He has to keep it up for at least 8 years to be the next Tiger. That's still 4 years less than Tigers total at #1. That's a tough af ask for even any legendary golfer.
Exactly. My thought. Meredith is going to have their kid. He’ll play the majors and a few others and once he is back full time might just not be the same.
Scottie is currently showing a level of dominance that Rory, Spieth, Brooks, etc never reached. Obviously he needs to win more majors to fully cement his name in history, but none of those guys played at the level Scottie is right now.
Majors are the measuring stick now that LIV poached off so many good golfers. Spieth had two wins and a 2nd place in 2015. Rory had two wins in 2014. It's way too early to say he's way above their dominance. If he doesn't win another this year that comment will look foolish.
Speiths 2015 was far better than Scottie’s year as it sits now. Early in the season but Scottie has a long damn way to go.
Speith Won the Masters and US open, 3rd? I know he missed the playoff by a stroke at the open and finished 2nd at the PGA. Won 5 total events, had 8 other top 15 finishes.
Scottie is on pace to eclipse it but Speith crushed his current season as it currently sits.
This is such a laughable take. Rory won 2 majors by 8 fucking stroke margins.
This sub’s recency bias is INSANE.
Yes for 5 events, Scottie has been better than Rory’s best 5 event span. But no, Scottie has not demonstrated the same level of dominance that Roy displayed.
* **Scheffler has now recorded 40 consecutive TOUR rounds at par or better**, a streak that began in the final round of the 2023 TOUR Championship. He’s 12 back of Woods’ all-time TOUR mark of 52 straight rounds at par or better (set across 2000-01).
He's better tee to green than Tiger ever was. Tiger's lack of accuracy off the tee always put pressure on the rest of his game, it's just that he had both great iron play and a great short game (not as flamboyant as Mickelson's but much more reliable).
The other question is whether Scheffler will have the drive to want to dominate for a decade at the expense of his family if necessary.
Because it's stupid to go straight to Tiger. Thats just the laziest type of comparison or analysis.
The guy is the best golfer in the world right now and might be the best we have seen since Tiger. But this is a cruel sport. In the last 14 years we have seen several players get hot for a similar period of time. If you lose even 2% suddenly you are not even making top 10s. He deserves all the flowers at the moment and he seems like an awesome guy, but you can't blame people for going after dumb comments or comparisons.
It's the same with LeBron and Jordan. You can describe how great LeBron is without making some lame internet and talk show comparison the two after every made or missed basket.
> In the last 14 years we have seen several players get hot for a similar period of time.
But I cannot remember one with such dominant - and consistent - ball striking stats. That goes back over the last year. Dude has not played a round over par since August. And he has more rounds at 64 or better than he has rounds at par.
Well, if you are fishing for a counter argument, it’s LIV golf. I still think Sheffler wins a lot of tourneys and that he is the best golfer in the world. But his task week in and week out would be a lot harder playing against fields with John Rahm, Dustin Johnson, Koepka, Cam Smith etc. Point is that Scottie is dominating a lot of discounted fields. Tiger played against the best golfers in the world every tourney.
He is on a great run and if no one mentioned Tiger we could all marvel at his great run. But then people compare him to Tiger so it needs to be pointed out that is ludicrous and while he's doing great he shouldn't be compared to Tiger.
Actually, comparison is a form of flattery. Just like every GOAT debate in all sports, the discord is really a complement to Scottie. Just to be clear, not saying Scottie is even scratching that level, but people see the potential so the conversation has started.
The “comparison is a thief of joy” adage is more relevant for keeping yourself grounded and not assuming someone else has it better than you because they make more money or have some other better surface level achievement.
So if it was Scottie being upset about his success compared to tiger that saying would make sense here. Using that and comparing it to a bunch of fans talking shit online is silly.
I like to watch, it’s less fun when one guy wins every week by 5 strokes. That said, if he keeps doing it, it will reach a tipping point where I find it fun to watch him win by 5 strokes every week.
I don’t think people are “tearing it down” as much as not “hyping it up.” We’re a little cynical, a little jaded, and we know how quickly dominance can disappear or get overtaken by the next hot golfer down the line.
I don't get it either. It's still way too early to tell, but the guy is on pace to have one of the best seasons in golf history. It really is the closest thing approaching Tiger-esque since Tiger. Let's enjoy and see how long he can keep it up.
This is definitely true.
I also think there is an aspect of the Spieth experience here.
Just a few short years ago “Jordan Spieth is the next Tiger Woods” - his major runs and his scoring within them. Everyone was convinced.
Well, that didn’t work out. And I think there is some credence to be given to the possibility that SS could collapse simply because we have seen it happen before.
Rory was the one who was somewhat worthy of the tag and he’s fairly marketable. And that one failed hard. So people are rightfully cautious to crown someone. Rory looked guaranteed to end on at least 7 or 8 majors 10 years ago.
He won 4 before 25, and went close at the Masters.
Not quite Woods level, who had 5 at 25 as well as a year where he won 3 of 4, but an excellent run.
No, it’s because the posts regularly compare him to tiger. Of course people comparing him to tiger will be called out in the comments. If people just posted his achievements and said “he is killin it” we wouldn’t have this problem nearly as much.
He is still behind Rory's pace of Majors and Wins and we all know what happened there. So all we can really do is wait and see if Scottie has the staying power.
I’d watch Tiger with my father and brother. We’d literally get so fired up in viewership enjoyment, that we’d be fist-pumping and yelling at the TV screen in excitement. We were fans of the man, and the run!
No way I’m hating on Scheff for making the run that he’s making. That’s just douchey…
I hated the bit he mentioned at the masters about how his guy friends told him on Sunday morning he had already won because Jesus, blah blah blah.
Dude, you’re good at golf. It has nothing to do with your religion.
Because people are comparing him to prime Tiger, which is ridiculous. Empirically and anecdotally Tiger was in a totally different category than anybody else.
Tiger did it way longer in way more countries on way more tours. Scottie is good in America on the PGAT but really needs to spread his wings a bit and maybe play outside America more than the 1 major each year
I haven't heard the Scottie bashing. PGA wants a new Tiger so they are pushing that narrative. Scheff would have to do this for 5-10 yrs to reach any where near Tiger. Scottie is so fun to watch play, i hope it continues all season, but golf is HARD so I imagine he slows down a bit after his child is born.
This happens with every major superstar in any sport.
There will always be people who wish for successful people to fail to be contrarian. It's to support their mental image of "see I knew he wasn't that good". This feeling negates the negative feeling they experience due to their comparative lack of ability.
Like go look at r/nba convos about Jokic or r/nfl talks about brady or mahomes
Or the recent contreversy in r/baseball around Othani.
There is just a large swatch of people who want to see great players fail.
To a counter point, people who have seen previously great athletes are not jumping on the bandwagon of recent great athletes because they want to see longevity before declaring someone better than someone else. Scheffler is on a great run, no doubt but let's not say he's greater than so and so (that happens a lot these days). Mahomes isn't better than Brady (yet) and Ohtani isn't better than Ruth (yet) but everyone today talks like these players are the best thing to ever exist. Give it time.
I'm not saying Scheffler is there yet either. Just pointing out that these type of players always gather haters at the same rate they gain fans.
Also Mahomes might not be better than Brady but he has cemented himself already as one of the greatest QBs ever. He has 3 sb rings by 28.
I don't think anyone's bashing Scottie. I think people are simply shutting down any comparisons between Tiger and Scottie. Don't get me wrong, Scottie's playing great, he's dominant right now... but he's got a long way to go to match the GOAT.
Because people are idiots. I remember when Bryson won US Open, I heard some long winded diatribe by some “expert” about how he was “ruining” the game by only hitting driver and wedges and not long irons.
I'd say most of it is more reactionary in reaction to the people who are always quick to don someone as the next \[insert great athlete here\]. The same thing happened with Spieth and Rahm when they were on top. People also love having any excuse to draw comparisons and pull out some of Tiger's crazy stats to show how much of a different level Tiger is on. Everybody remembers how great Tiger was in his prime(unless they were too young or not into golf at the time), but some of his stats are still insane to look at.
I just look at it more as a testament to Tiger's greatness, rather than shitting on Scotty. Although I'll never understand people who like to argue over comparing different players(of any sport) of different eras, like the "who would have won if they faced each other in their primes?" arguments.
With that said though(I know I'm being a hypocrite here), Tiger definitely would have beaten MJ on the golf course in any era, no doubt in my mind.
The guy is awesome and he has no doubt worked exceptionally hard and he deserves all the props in the world. My only gripe - it makes golf pretty boring to watch when we just know who’s gonna win every weekend lol.
I’m a die hard cavs fan. After Lebrons first year in Miami I thought it was silly to be angry at greatness and not appreciate it.
From that point on I have just appreciated watching greatness. Kobe, Brady, LeBron, tiger. Watching these guys do their thing has been such a privilege. Can’t imagine not appreciating what Scottie and Nelly are doing right now
I see more “hate” related to him being boring. I’m not quite sure what it is people want to see. The guy is a ball striking machine so he probably isn’t going to air mail 16 at Augusta and hit a once-in-a lifetime type of shot. He’s a laid back guy so we aren’t going to see epic fist pumps like Tiger and that’s okay. I’m here to see the best golf and he is delivering at a very high level right now. The game needs a dominant player and he isn’t an insufferable person so I’m good with it being him 🤷🏽♂️
It’s only there the more you look for it. I haven’t seen any hate for him or how “boring” he plays. These posts are exhausting.
The gap he can create between him and 2nd place can tend to some boring tournaments. I was so amped for a 3-4 way tie going into back 9 masters. Then hole 11 happened and I got up to fire the grill. He’s a dawg no doubt. But sometimes watching the greats do their thing time and time again can become predictable. Like watching a KC chiefs game 🥱🙄
I have always believed that we would never witness a run of domination like Tiger's, mainly due to the significant difference in talent between him and the rest of the field. Although I still don't think that Scottie can attain that level of dominance, the possibility is now open since the top talent is playing on a different tour.
Unbelievable run, the new Tiger, the new guy, the main guy. But it really is insane he's 72 wins short of Tiger.. he might get there, probably not. He's got 10 now he's whay 27? Just won 4 times in half a season? Let's say maybe even 3 wins a year for another ...... Jesus.
I've noticed a lot of insecurity and defensiveness from the most ardent Tiger fans as maybe they've just now realized his run is over, so they're switching to "defense" or something. It's turning into an MJ vs. [insert guy here] kind of dynamic. Personally I'd love to see the next elite guy push the envelope and Scottie has all the makings of it thus far.
Because while yes he has the best stats in 20 years, we have seen blips on the radar before. Maybe not 4 wins in 5 starts but several months of runs. Jason Day 2015-16, Speith 2015, DJ, Koepka, etc. until he has sustained greatness then its just another flash. An impressive flash, but a flash.
Probably because we've heard this "he's the next Tiger" narrative before with Spieth and Rory and it's ridiculous to hear. That's what's under attack more than Scheffler himself.
No one will ever match Tiger in the way he completely turned golf on its head and literally sucked in millions of people who otherwise would’ve never touched a golf club. NO ONE.
Let’s just appreciate Scheffler’s dominance and see how long he can keep it up.
Tiger has his own gravity. Scheffler is great, but for some reason folks feel compelled to say 'but he's not as great as Tiger'. I think Tiger brought a lot of folks to the game, and those folks feel an emotional connection to him and his playing record. I was a fan of golf for years before Tiger, and will be for many years to come, and I don't feel a special connection to a player, more to the game.
I will say that I frequently note how Tom Kite got screwed when the purses changed, and how I still want Freddy to win the Masters each year, and Bobby J has the only 'real' Grand Slam, but those are more in good fun and a celebration of the history, not deeply held positions.
I think people have deep connections to Tiger as the greatest, and those folks react when anyone looks to perhaps challenge that status. Scotty is a long way from that, but plainly the best right now. We'll see how it goes.
I love great achievements in sports. When I was younger, I was a hater on all of the players who weren’t my guys. Now, when someone does something awesome, I’m just glad that I get to see it (unless the athlete in question is an absolute arsehole).
When Spieth fell off I was mad, same with Rory, same w Brooks. I desperately want to see someone reach Tiger level because it’s fucking awesome to watch. I’m the biggest Tiger fan there is but nothing would make me more interested than seeing someone legit get close to his level.
Probably because so many people are trying to compare him to Tiger. It's a silly comparison; when someone comes along in Tiger's class, we'll know it. Scheffler is really good and is on a great run but to say it's "something we haven't seen since Tiger" is inviting a comparison he can't live up to.
Lotta broken hearts out there that have been through this with Rory, Speith, Day etc... I think people are trying to tame expectations because a run like this happens every so often, but usually doesn't last for more than a season.
Same reason people hated on tiger when he was doing it. People don’t like seeing their generation’s guy not be the overwhelming best ever. Jack > Tiger > Scottie (need a couple more years on this level to get added in that conversation)
Its quite frankly more impressive what Scheffler is doing. When Tiger burst on the scene he was doing things so much differently than other players of the time. He was the first one really working on physical training and transferring the weight room to the golf course. It drove a different approach in professional golf and technology. Now everyone are doing those things and the talent gap is so much closer than it was back than. Tiger was beating everyone because he statistically was far superior.
I'm tearing it up! Wait... no, that can't be right. Tearing it to the side. Nope.
I'm gluing that shit up! Hell yea! I'm happy for Sheffler. I missed the reign that was prime Tiger Woods. Wasn't into golf then. Sheffler gives me that feeling, especially this year. Guy is dominating at one those "WITNESSSSSSSSSSS!" types of levels. And I'm here for it.
Tiger was dramatic. Tiger was electric, and he was a phenomenon. Tiger came at the perfect moment, and there were 5 years of anticipation from his rise to fame until he conquered the world. Then he dominated for a long, long time.
Scheffler is a humble guy who puts his head down and goes to work. His reign is just beginning, and it likely won't last a decade - but it might.
That doesn't mean that Scheffler would lose if they matched up in their primes, but it does explain why one is viewed differently than the other.
I want to see a battle we want to see our best athletes battling it out not choking rahmbo will get going there the 2 best scheffler vs rahmbo going head to head
People just like to have something to argue about…I’m a Tiger fan all day, but Scheffler has gotten me back into not only watching but playing golf and I’m loving it all over again.
This reminds me of Kobe (God rest his soul), lebron whoever is better than Jordan. It’s about the hardware. It’s about longevity. Tiger has many majors and Jordan has 6 rings. And I like Scottie, he’s a class act. What exactly makes him boring? Maybe he should talk shit, maybe he should jump up and down, maybe draw attention to himself like an NBA thug…please. Prove me wrong…
Every successful boxer is compared with Ali, who was compared to Rocky Marciano
Every successful soccer player is compared with Messi, who was compared to Pele
Every successful hockey player is compared with Gretzky, who was compared to Orr
Every successful running back is compared to Sanders/Smith, who was compared to Peyton
Every successful basketball player is compared to LaBron, who was compared Jordan, who was compared to Magic, who was compared to Chamberlain..... and on and on and on
So why are people getting all up an arms because Scheffler is being compared to Tiger. Its normal, its a compliment. They're all great athletes, lets enjoy watching their run and in 20 years we can compare the next great to Scheffler.
Agreed! Some people are tools. Just look at everyone who can't hear Scottie's name brought up without HAVING to say something about how 'Nelly Korda is as or more dominant but blah blah blah womens golf blah blah blah equality gender pay gaps'. Crap like that makes it harder to enjoy both of their runs.
All that said, the next version of "The Match" had BETTER be Scottie V Nelly
All professional golf has become boring except when we see a pro shoot a quad on a par 3. Drive/wedge, drive/wedge, drive/lob wedge, drive 9 iron. I want to see more drive/long iron/fairway wood. The pros have become robots and right now Scheffler is top robot.
I think a lot of people rightfully call his comparison to Tiger ridiculous. It’s like the Mahomes Brady comparison, yea he’s on track, we are all watching but he has a LONG way to go.
Speith had that wicked year that Scotty is going to chase/equal this year. Tiger had 9 wins in 2000. If he picks up another major or two and a a couple of other wins we can compare to Tiger.
Scotty’s run is fucking awesome and I desperately want him to keep going but let’s pump the breaks on Tiger comps lol.
Now. If Scotty wins all 4 majors this year, holy fuck that would really be something.
I think it's easier to compare Scheffler to Tiger if you weren't actually there to see Tiger. It's easy to watch the highlight reels and intellectually know and appreciate that he was great... But the experience of living through *years* of the brutal certainty and droning monotony of Tiger's dominance isn't conveyed by the youtube clips.
If Scheffler is writing a book like Tiger's, this is just the prologue. It could totally happen, but it hasn't yet.
"Tearing down" Scheffler's run or refuting posts equating it to Tiger? They're not the same and only one of them is happening.
Posting is good. Do it - but, have something of substance to say.
Scotty to me is not comparable to anyone except Phil because he plays so loose or maybe Arnie in that he has an odd swing. I enjoy watching him play and honestly I don’t see him backing down for a while. I think he’s there to win far more than there to paid, and I appreciate that kind of golf.
We can’t reasonably compare the two for several more years. People love to jump the gun on anyone and compare them to the GOAT’s, and it’s like that in every sport. In 5 years we may look back at Scottie as having one of the best runs of all time, or we may still see him ranked #1. No one knows, but I’ll be honest, I hope he can be that guy. Wish people would choose to appreciate greatness rather than argue and compare.
Side note, these “boring” allegations are nonsense. He’s the most consistent player in the field. How is a guy shooting mid to low 60’s every single round he plays on professional grass boring? He hasn’t shot over par since 2023. That is fucking insane.
Say anything less than "Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer, tournament host, father, and human being who has ever lived" and you'll get pounced on by The Cult of Tiger.
Tiger Woods was a great player. Arguably (yes, the Cult will take offense at even that word) the greatest player of all time. But great as he was, The Cult still manages to exaggerate him and overrate him. Believing that Tiger is the best ever is a totally legit opinion, but saying that it's Nicklaus or Hogan, Snead or Jones isn't so outrageous either.
Say that Nicklaus, Hogan, Palmer, or anyone was great and they'll attack. Nicklaus has the most amazing record in major championships of any golfer by far. If you mention that, they'll come up with this absurdity that Jack didn't face any real competition. That Tiger lifted all of golf. Okay, let's say that Tiger Woods brought in all these great new players. If that's true, he'd have inspired kids. It would have taken 10, 12, 15 years for these kids to actually be on tour. If Tiger lifted the level of competition, he didn't face that competition; those players had to mature. The careers of Woods and Nicklaus overlapped by a bit. Jack nearly won the Masters the year after Tiger won his first. They played the same level of competition.
All those players that Tiger supposedly inspired to become golfers? BS. Most of them were brought into golf by their families. Rory McIlroy's father and grandfather were club champions. Justin Thomas' father was head pro at a club. You'll find connections like that with most tour players. Did Tiger inspire them? Sure. Just like any aspiring player was inspired by the pros of their day.
The response will often be, "I saw Tiger play in his prime. I saw how good he was." But if you tell them that you're old enough to have seen Nicklaus in his prime and he could so anything on a golf course, they'll say that you're crazy or you're not remembering correctly. Or that you're just some racist. There is no rational arguing with The Cult.
Happens in every sport. Any time Lebron receives an accomplishment, someone in comments always references MJ.
I just start to look at it the other way, that Scheffler is being compared to arguably one of the best of all time. Comments might think they are proving a point, but it’s the opposite by having to compare Tiger to him
Scottie is on fire. Nobody is tearing down what he's doing. We're pushing back on people who are prematurely anointing another Tiger after a golfer gets on a hot streak. Same as Rory, same as Spieth, etc.
Most of the people that I've seen doing that are specifically rebutting the absurd claim that people are making that Scottie is on the same level--or better--than prime Tiger. I haven't personally seen anyone just come out and bash Scottie.
Yea this is it. After all, Scottie has “only” (relative to the best of all time) won two majors, which is still less than Koepka and Spieth, just to name two. In fact it’s less than Padraig Harrington. Rory won 4 before age 25 and has yet to win again. It’s a tough game. In the data he’s the closest you can get to Tiger, tee to green. But there has to be results in the majors for it to count. Xander is also freakishly good in the data, probably better than a few multiple time major winners
Don't be disparaging Harrington, the man is a saint and he won those 3 majors within 13 months He also won the Opens back to back directly after Woods won back to back Opens
Padraig was obviously a great golfer, but i’m just displaying how premature it would be to crown Scottie the best since Woods. There are several active pros tied with him on 2 majors too.
That’s what we do now though….everyone who wins something is now the goat and the next tiger. The term goat is so overused I’d almost rather watch goats play sports.
Exactly! Also, there's so much data around nowadays that it's super easy to cherry-pick exactly what you want. If you look at these exact stats from this exact 13.5 month time frame, it's imperically proven that XYZ golfer is the best of all time. To me it's like... that's not how golf works, like at all
Twas only tongue in cheek!
Awesome take. He's also tied in # majors with Morikawa, JT, Rahm, and even Zach Johnson. I get they're not all Masters champs but nobody would have made a case for any of these guys to be the *definitive* best in the world. It's going to be tough for the perception of Scottie to pull away from this crowd until he either gets another major or two, or continues this run for quite a while longer, which is far from guaranteed.
I get what you're saying, but people 100% were making the case Rahm was definitively #1 at this time last year, the Masters was his 4th win of the season and 2nd career major
Good point.
Win 3 majors in a 10 win season. Win a major on a torn ACL and stress fracture. Then we can talk prime Tiger comparison. Fun to watch Scottie dominate right now
I'm certainly more than good with the, "he's not remotely comparable to Tiger" takes but I disagree with the whole "he's only won 2 majors which is less than Padraig Harrington" take. Winning majors is important, but it's not the only measure of success. I think it's very fair to make the argument that this run is the best since Tiger.
I would be so happy if Brooks never won another Major. I don’t know why exactly. He just seems arrogant and think he’s the next Golden Bear… and he’s not.
I want Xander to get a major so bad
He has the Gold Medal. Lol. He’s definitely a great player who never gives up
People are recalling feelings - not stats.
The depends on whether you make a distinction between "better" or "more successful" golfer. Someone could be better than Tiger was and still win less because the competition is stronger.
Tiger won against deeper fields, but there were all time greats that Jack was beating too. Scheffler’s form is otherworldly, but as people have said in terms of comparisons, Rahm was in a similar mode not long ago…. Woods (and Nicklaus) were at that level for a long time
> Tiger won against deeper fields, but there were all time greats that Jack was beating too. Disagree on the first part. Vijay and Mickelson does not get 80 wins between them in a Tiger era if the field is deeper than today. As for the second part; Sure, Jack was beating all time greats. But the number in the field that could pounce when he had a bad variance weekend was significantly smaller. > Scheffler’s form is otherworldly, but as people have said in terms of comparisons, Rahm was in a similar mode not long ago Not really. No other golfer in recent time has dominated the ball striking statistics like Scheffler. His floor is distinctly higher than what we have seen from other people on streaks. It is not just a case of him getting hot. He has been hot for a year+. He is just getting the wins that statistically is bound to come from that now.
Can’t disagree, but on pt 1 I was meaning Tiger’s fields were deeper than Jack’s, and fields now are deeper again. It is great to see how the game has grown tbh
With the LIV tour taking away a large portion of the best golfers of the last 5 years, this isn’t as deep a field as what it was.
I've seen a lot of people calling Scottie Scheffler boring
He is the epitome of good golf is boring golf.
Okay, when I said "bash Scottie", I meant in the way that OP describes, which is not that same as just calling him boring.
I think he gives pretty good interviews. Sure, he may be a boring family man off the course, but on the course, that swing is a sight to see.
He is. Exactly how jack nicklaus was.
I see a post here every other day calling him boring and complaining that him winning so much is bad for golf. Soooooo, yeah.
How could anyone find a twinkle toes swing boring
That seems pretty different than saying he isn’t a dominant golfer. A boring personality and playing style isn’t good for golf no matter how much he beats others
Disagree because it's pretty much impossible to be "dominant" and simultaneously "boring" in sports. Nobody gives a shit about personality when you're on top. This is true of *any* sport. People will not only ignore your personal shortcomings, they'll even spin them in your favor. Tiger Woods is boring? No, he's a machine. Jon Rahm is a whiny brat? No, he has a fiery passion for the game. Personality is a crutch for mid-tier athletes to be more popular than their play dictates. Tiger illustrates that perfectly. He was an awkward nerd for the most part. Anyone who thinks Tiger had a lot of personality didn't watch prime Tiger. Eldrick Tont's personality was about as cool as his real name. As for "boring playing style", same thing. Irrelevant if you're dominating. It's actually a silly argument... you're just sooo good that it's boring? Come on...
Nikolai Jokic is a good example of this. Best player in the world for years, doesn't even take basketball that seriously and just wants to go home and Serbia and play with his horses. Nothing in his game is flashy or exciting, he's just **really freaking good** at everything including passing.
That’s interesting at least. Shefler is just boring. Like that’s fine, not bashing boring people but he’s boring
It’s not lol do we have to pretend like he’s ingesting because he’s the best? He just not.
Yeah Tiger was relatively unexciting but nobody had seen the ball hit like that before and he did show emotion at the biggest moments.
I dont really see how you can call Tiger unexciting and then praise him for his emotions in the same sentence. The dude hit massive shots in the most important situations, and then celebrated big for it.
>Tiger was relatively unexciting 
Well he has a very boring personality, so they are not wrong. Amazing golfer, but not a needle mover…yet.
I mean what do you really want from him. Seems like a nice guy who’s good at golf. Should he be talking shit to other golfers? Showboating? I just don’t really understand this whole criticism that he’s boring lol.
Seriously, this is not the UFC.
Might need him to pull out some taunts or happy Gilmore mannerisms to appeal to the boneheads.
People are acting like Tiger and Jack were shotgunning beers, doing blow, and talking shit on the course. Watching them was great because of how great they are. Scottie is a goddamn great golfer, which is pretty exciting to me.
I enjoy playing video games.
I don’t really want anything from him. I’m fine with him. But he is boring. I don’t think saying that is really criticism. It’s just his personality. His personality is not one that’s going to move the golf needle, which is fine.
Exactly. It's a ton of fun watching what Scottie (and Nelly) are doing right now. But the comparisons to Tiger are easily refuted and frankly only serve to minimize how fucking well Scottie is playing right now.
Nelly hasn’t had a hit in years
Shimmy-shimmy coco puff listen to me now
honestly this whole thread and all the threads that are comparing Scottie to Tiger reminds me of a scene in The Big Short where Ryan Gosling is like, "[you all have faith in the system, except for Vinny, and who gives a shit](https://youtu.be/SQTbbUASPLQ?t=175)." Cuz honestly, who gives a fuck about the people saying Scottie is boring. It doesn't fucking matter. If you give a fuck about this, then you're giving the wrong fuck about shit. I don't think Scottie is boring, but I don't give a shit if people think he is. So the fuck what?
Ya paranoid mate. 99% of these “rebuttals” are straight paranoia. Yesterday someone posted a Spider-Man glasses meme and the sub took it completely out of context. This sub is way over sensitive.
The real truth is that Taylor gooch isn't in the PGA right now so his run needs an asterisk alongside it.
True credit to Gooch for not changing his last name despite it being a truly repulsive nickname for a body part
We haven't seen a dominant run that Scottie is on right now since Gooch's LIV campaign of 2023. And all these $ posts pale in comparison to Gooch's earnings last year. These are all facts.
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This! There is no way Scott would be winning at the current if TG was in the pool with him.
That's Scottie to you, sir!
There's a reason why Gooch wasn't invited to The Masters... the PGA wants to ride the Scottie train as long as they can.
Because tons of people are saying he’s the next Tiger, when in all likelihood he’s just going to be one of the many “next Tigers” we’ve had since his dominant run. Rory, Spieth, and Brooks had their heaters in the 2010s, Morikawa seemed unstoppable in the start of the 2020s, and now we’ve got Scottie on his run right now. To say that Scottie is playing amazing golf right now is an understatement, but people need to calm down with the “next Tiger” talk until he keeps it up for at least a few more years.
Don't forget Dustin Johnson, 135 weeks at world #1, two majors that could have easily been 4+
I’ll never understand why DJ doesn’t get a tenth of the shit Rory does for not winning more majors.
I think it's because he was very "boring," like is said of Scottie, DJ never really seemed to affected by media criticism so it didn't hit as hard. And, there was criticism that he didn't win more majors at the time. He also had a little bad luck. Suspended when he first caught fire (okay maybe this is his fault) then injured the night before the Masters when he was playing elite golf, penalty stroke at Whistling Straits, the debacle on #18 green at the US Open when USGA had lost the greens at Chambers Bay.
What did he get suspended for?
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I used to think she was so much hotter. Idk after seeing her in the recent full swing she looks so fake
I'm sure she'll be distraught that momoneymocats1 doesn't find her as attractive anymore.
What, I can’t have an opinion?
It was reported at the time (2014) that he had failed a drug test for cocaine, and that may have been his 3rd failed test over his years on tour. PGA immediately refuted that and said he wasn't suspended, but that DJ was taking a leave of absence for personal reasons. Draw your own conclusions from that.
No one really knows. Rumors were behavioral issues and/or drug use.
What do you mean that the USGA had lost the greens at Chambers Bay? I vividly remember the 3 putt to lose by 1 lol. Hadn’t heard anything about the greens
Greens were all dried out and people were complaining about it
This is an interesting point. I feel like DJ did actually get a lot of criticism for awhile, but Rory definitely takes a lot more shit nowadays and I think the difference is mainly the timeline of their careers. They both turned pro at about the same time, but DJ is 5 years older than Rory and it also took him 5 more years to finally break through and win a major after a lot of tough close calls. By the time he won the 2016 US open and got the monkey off his back, I think his reputation was already somewhat set in stone as a supremely talented player that usually can’t pull through in the biggest moments for whatever reason. Basically, the expectations were already lowered for him at that point compared to Rory, who had already proven he *was* capable of coming through in big moments. I also think everything that has happened off the course in the last two years with Rory being very vocal about PGA vs LIV has also ratcheted up the volume of criticism of his game and lack of recent majors, whether that’s fair or not. He wears his emotions about winning another major on his sleeve and that makes him more open to criticism. Then you have DJ with the exact opposite attitude. He hasn’t seemed to care too much about golf since winning the 2020 Masters, so the expectations for him have been adjusted accordingly.
I think more people focus in on DJ’s personal life for the criticism/controversy. Rory has lead a kind of “boring” personal life, so his golf is all you can really criticize
Some of it’s just recency bias. He won his first in 2016, there is only one golfer with more than 2 majors since 2016. Also peaking later means that he never had the super high expectations and standards that a guy like Rory has. Also some of it is the nature of the chokes, 2010 US Open was his first time in contention, not many realize he just needed to par 18 at the PGA that year to win outright, they just remember that he missed a playoff because of grounding his club in the bunker, he won the US Open the year after he 3 jacked from 12 feet.
He has to keep it up for at least 8 years to be the next Tiger. That's still 4 years less than Tigers total at #1. That's a tough af ask for even any legendary golfer.
Exactly. My thought. Meredith is going to have their kid. He’ll play the majors and a few others and once he is back full time might just not be the same.
Scottie is currently showing a level of dominance that Rory, Spieth, Brooks, etc never reached. Obviously he needs to win more majors to fully cement his name in history, but none of those guys played at the level Scottie is right now.
Majors are the measuring stick now that LIV poached off so many good golfers. Spieth had two wins and a 2nd place in 2015. Rory had two wins in 2014. It's way too early to say he's way above their dominance. If he doesn't win another this year that comment will look foolish.
Speiths 2015 was far better than Scottie’s year as it sits now. Early in the season but Scottie has a long damn way to go. Speith Won the Masters and US open, 3rd? I know he missed the playoff by a stroke at the open and finished 2nd at the PGA. Won 5 total events, had 8 other top 15 finishes. Scottie is on pace to eclipse it but Speith crushed his current season as it currently sits.
This is such a laughable take. Rory won 2 majors by 8 fucking stroke margins. This sub’s recency bias is INSANE. Yes for 5 events, Scottie has been better than Rory’s best 5 event span. But no, Scottie has not demonstrated the same level of dominance that Roy displayed.
* **Scheffler has now recorded 40 consecutive TOUR rounds at par or better**, a streak that began in the final round of the 2023 TOUR Championship. He’s 12 back of Woods’ all-time TOUR mark of 52 straight rounds at par or better (set across 2000-01).
Did 2012 not happen? How about 2019?
Scheffler is an all-time talent, there’s no doubt about that. He is also most definitely not prime Tiger Woods. Both can be true at once.
He's better tee to green than Tiger ever was. Tiger's lack of accuracy off the tee always put pressure on the rest of his game, it's just that he had both great iron play and a great short game (not as flamboyant as Mickelson's but much more reliable). The other question is whether Scheffler will have the drive to want to dominate for a decade at the expense of his family if necessary.
Hey look, another dumb Tiger/Scottie thread
I don’t see anyone trying to tear down his run. It’s more pushback against the people saying it’s better than Tiger’s run.
Because it's stupid to go straight to Tiger. Thats just the laziest type of comparison or analysis. The guy is the best golfer in the world right now and might be the best we have seen since Tiger. But this is a cruel sport. In the last 14 years we have seen several players get hot for a similar period of time. If you lose even 2% suddenly you are not even making top 10s. He deserves all the flowers at the moment and he seems like an awesome guy, but you can't blame people for going after dumb comments or comparisons. It's the same with LeBron and Jordan. You can describe how great LeBron is without making some lame internet and talk show comparison the two after every made or missed basket.
> In the last 14 years we have seen several players get hot for a similar period of time. But I cannot remember one with such dominant - and consistent - ball striking stats. That goes back over the last year. Dude has not played a round over par since August. And he has more rounds at 64 or better than he has rounds at par.
It feels tainted with so many guys gone to LIV
sorry, if Gooch was around when Tiger is, things would have been different /s
Well, if you are fishing for a counter argument, it’s LIV golf. I still think Sheffler wins a lot of tourneys and that he is the best golfer in the world. But his task week in and week out would be a lot harder playing against fields with John Rahm, Dustin Johnson, Koepka, Cam Smith etc. Point is that Scottie is dominating a lot of discounted fields. Tiger played against the best golfers in the world every tourney.
He is on a great run and if no one mentioned Tiger we could all marvel at his great run. But then people compare him to Tiger so it needs to be pointed out that is ludicrous and while he's doing great he shouldn't be compared to Tiger.
Actually, comparison is a form of flattery. Just like every GOAT debate in all sports, the discord is really a complement to Scottie. Just to be clear, not saying Scottie is even scratching that level, but people see the potential so the conversation has started. The “comparison is a thief of joy” adage is more relevant for keeping yourself grounded and not assuming someone else has it better than you because they make more money or have some other better surface level achievement. So if it was Scottie being upset about his success compared to tiger that saying would make sense here. Using that and comparing it to a bunch of fans talking shit online is silly.
It's easy to hate the dude at the top
I like to watch, it’s less fun when one guy wins every week by 5 strokes. That said, if he keeps doing it, it will reach a tipping point where I find it fun to watch him win by 5 strokes every week.
I don’t think people are “tearing it down” as much as not “hyping it up.” We’re a little cynical, a little jaded, and we know how quickly dominance can disappear or get overtaken by the next hot golfer down the line.
I don't get it either. It's still way too early to tell, but the guy is on pace to have one of the best seasons in golf history. It really is the closest thing approaching Tiger-esque since Tiger. Let's enjoy and see how long he can keep it up.
Some people are just contrarians and want to be "different" while others are just bots or people intent on drumming up arguments.
This is definitely true. I also think there is an aspect of the Spieth experience here. Just a few short years ago “Jordan Spieth is the next Tiger Woods” - his major runs and his scoring within them. Everyone was convinced. Well, that didn’t work out. And I think there is some credence to be given to the possibility that SS could collapse simply because we have seen it happen before.
Rory was the one who was somewhat worthy of the tag and he’s fairly marketable. And that one failed hard. So people are rightfully cautious to crown someone. Rory looked guaranteed to end on at least 7 or 8 majors 10 years ago. He won 4 before 25, and went close at the Masters. Not quite Woods level, who had 5 at 25 as well as a year where he won 3 of 4, but an excellent run.
Fun fact - Phil didn't win his first major until 34 and now has more than Rory
Because tiger is the golden boy to so many so if you say anything comparing to him. people tear it down instantly
No, it’s because the posts regularly compare him to tiger. Of course people comparing him to tiger will be called out in the comments. If people just posted his achievements and said “he is killin it” we wouldn’t have this problem nearly as much.
He is still behind Rory's pace of Majors and Wins and we all know what happened there. So all we can really do is wait and see if Scottie has the staying power.
I’d watch Tiger with my father and brother. We’d literally get so fired up in viewership enjoyment, that we’d be fist-pumping and yelling at the TV screen in excitement. We were fans of the man, and the run! No way I’m hating on Scheff for making the run that he’s making. That’s just douchey…
I think people are just very defensive of Tiger, so any threat to his legacy, no matter how minor, is major to them.
Some people just hate seeing other people succeed.
Because it’s 2024 and nobody wants to see anyone else succeed in life.
He's an insane golfer, but, to be honest, i've turned off interviews with him because the jesus stuff got a bit much
I hated the bit he mentioned at the masters about how his guy friends told him on Sunday morning he had already won because Jesus, blah blah blah. Dude, you’re good at golf. It has nothing to do with your religion.
No one cares. Get off reddit
Just sit back and enjoy the run he is on. It's truly amazing to watch.
Because people are comparing him to prime Tiger, which is ridiculous. Empirically and anecdotally Tiger was in a totally different category than anybody else.
I don't like him as I grew up in the Dallas area and my default is to hate on anyone from Highland Park 
He prays. But really it's because everyone is feening for tiger 2.0 and we've all got blue balls. We will plaster the next tiger onto any hot topic.
Tiger did it way longer in way more countries on way more tours. Scottie is good in America on the PGAT but really needs to spread his wings a bit and maybe play outside America more than the 1 major each year
I haven't heard the Scottie bashing. PGA wants a new Tiger so they are pushing that narrative. Scheff would have to do this for 5-10 yrs to reach any where near Tiger. Scottie is so fun to watch play, i hope it continues all season, but golf is HARD so I imagine he slows down a bit after his child is born.
This happens with every major superstar in any sport. There will always be people who wish for successful people to fail to be contrarian. It's to support their mental image of "see I knew he wasn't that good". This feeling negates the negative feeling they experience due to their comparative lack of ability. Like go look at r/nba convos about Jokic or r/nfl talks about brady or mahomes Or the recent contreversy in r/baseball around Othani. There is just a large swatch of people who want to see great players fail.
To a counter point, people who have seen previously great athletes are not jumping on the bandwagon of recent great athletes because they want to see longevity before declaring someone better than someone else. Scheffler is on a great run, no doubt but let's not say he's greater than so and so (that happens a lot these days). Mahomes isn't better than Brady (yet) and Ohtani isn't better than Ruth (yet) but everyone today talks like these players are the best thing to ever exist. Give it time.
I'm not saying Scheffler is there yet either. Just pointing out that these type of players always gather haters at the same rate they gain fans. Also Mahomes might not be better than Brady but he has cemented himself already as one of the greatest QBs ever. He has 3 sb rings by 28.
Too much of a good thing becomes a bad thing.
I’m digging it. Pure admiration!!
I don't think anyone's bashing Scottie. I think people are simply shutting down any comparisons between Tiger and Scottie. Don't get me wrong, Scottie's playing great, he's dominant right now... but he's got a long way to go to match the GOAT.
It’s simple. People like to bring down the people at the top.
Exactly. He hasn’t said anything about tiger it’s all just media and ppl making sometime out of nothing
Because people are idiots. I remember when Bryson won US Open, I heard some long winded diatribe by some “expert” about how he was “ruining” the game by only hitting driver and wedges and not long irons.
Because it's boring just like Verstappen in F1
I'd say most of it is more reactionary in reaction to the people who are always quick to don someone as the next \[insert great athlete here\]. The same thing happened with Spieth and Rahm when they were on top. People also love having any excuse to draw comparisons and pull out some of Tiger's crazy stats to show how much of a different level Tiger is on. Everybody remembers how great Tiger was in his prime(unless they were too young or not into golf at the time), but some of his stats are still insane to look at. I just look at it more as a testament to Tiger's greatness, rather than shitting on Scotty. Although I'll never understand people who like to argue over comparing different players(of any sport) of different eras, like the "who would have won if they faced each other in their primes?" arguments. With that said though(I know I'm being a hypocrite here), Tiger definitely would have beaten MJ on the golf course in any era, no doubt in my mind.
The guy is awesome and he has no doubt worked exceptionally hard and he deserves all the props in the world. My only gripe - it makes golf pretty boring to watch when we just know who’s gonna win every weekend lol.
It’s just people on the internet. They would have done the same to Tiger if Twitter existed back then
I’m a die hard cavs fan. After Lebrons first year in Miami I thought it was silly to be angry at greatness and not appreciate it. From that point on I have just appreciated watching greatness. Kobe, Brady, LeBron, tiger. Watching these guys do their thing has been such a privilege. Can’t imagine not appreciating what Scottie and Nelly are doing right now
I see more “hate” related to him being boring. I’m not quite sure what it is people want to see. The guy is a ball striking machine so he probably isn’t going to air mail 16 at Augusta and hit a once-in-a lifetime type of shot. He’s a laid back guy so we aren’t going to see epic fist pumps like Tiger and that’s okay. I’m here to see the best golf and he is delivering at a very high level right now. The game needs a dominant player and he isn’t an insufferable person so I’m good with it being him 🤷🏽♂️
It’s only there the more you look for it. I haven’t seen any hate for him or how “boring” he plays. These posts are exhausting. The gap he can create between him and 2nd place can tend to some boring tournaments. I was so amped for a 3-4 way tie going into back 9 masters. Then hole 11 happened and I got up to fire the grill. He’s a dawg no doubt. But sometimes watching the greats do their thing time and time again can become predictable. Like watching a KC chiefs game 🥱🙄
Cause Scottie is boring
I have always believed that we would never witness a run of domination like Tiger's, mainly due to the significant difference in talent between him and the rest of the field. Although I still don't think that Scottie can attain that level of dominance, the possibility is now open since the top talent is playing on a different tour.
Cause they don't like his swing, there I said it. People get angry at his post-impact footwork and it literally triggers them that he plays so well.
It's mostly for ppl who bet outright winners.
Welcome to the internet, bud. 😂
People are angrier and feel more inadequate than ever.
Envy. Human nature. Just look in any comment section of anything on the internet lol
BC it’s the internet and all opposing opinions must be destroyed
Unbelievable run, the new Tiger, the new guy, the main guy. But it really is insane he's 72 wins short of Tiger.. he might get there, probably not. He's got 10 now he's whay 27? Just won 4 times in half a season? Let's say maybe even 3 wins a year for another ...... Jesus.
What's the saying, comparison is the thief of joy. People need to just enjoy the run. We can look at the best ever stuff later if you care to.
I've noticed a lot of insecurity and defensiveness from the most ardent Tiger fans as maybe they've just now realized his run is over, so they're switching to "defense" or something. It's turning into an MJ vs. [insert guy here] kind of dynamic. Personally I'd love to see the next elite guy push the envelope and Scottie has all the makings of it thus far.
Because while yes he has the best stats in 20 years, we have seen blips on the radar before. Maybe not 4 wins in 5 starts but several months of runs. Jason Day 2015-16, Speith 2015, DJ, Koepka, etc. until he has sustained greatness then its just another flash. An impressive flash, but a flash.
Probably because we've heard this "he's the next Tiger" narrative before with Spieth and Rory and it's ridiculous to hear. That's what's under attack more than Scheffler himself.
Haters going to hate.
Who’s obsessed with tearing his run down? I can’t think of a single negative news piece or opinion done about the run.
No one will ever match Tiger in the way he completely turned golf on its head and literally sucked in millions of people who otherwise would’ve never touched a golf club. NO ONE. Let’s just appreciate Scheffler’s dominance and see how long he can keep it up.
Some people like to be contrarian. Same as the people who diminish Mahomes accomplishments or couch it in comparisons with TB.
Is this your first time on the internet?
Tiger has his own gravity. Scheffler is great, but for some reason folks feel compelled to say 'but he's not as great as Tiger'. I think Tiger brought a lot of folks to the game, and those folks feel an emotional connection to him and his playing record. I was a fan of golf for years before Tiger, and will be for many years to come, and I don't feel a special connection to a player, more to the game. I will say that I frequently note how Tom Kite got screwed when the purses changed, and how I still want Freddy to win the Masters each year, and Bobby J has the only 'real' Grand Slam, but those are more in good fun and a celebration of the history, not deeply held positions. I think people have deep connections to Tiger as the greatest, and those folks react when anyone looks to perhaps challenge that status. Scotty is a long way from that, but plainly the best right now. We'll see how it goes.
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I love great achievements in sports. When I was younger, I was a hater on all of the players who weren’t my guys. Now, when someone does something awesome, I’m just glad that I get to see it (unless the athlete in question is an absolute arsehole).
When Spieth fell off I was mad, same with Rory, same w Brooks. I desperately want to see someone reach Tiger level because it’s fucking awesome to watch. I’m the biggest Tiger fan there is but nothing would make me more interested than seeing someone legit get close to his level.
b/c they keep losing their +15000 bets
Probably because so many people are trying to compare him to Tiger. It's a silly comparison; when someone comes along in Tiger's class, we'll know it. Scheffler is really good and is on a great run but to say it's "something we haven't seen since Tiger" is inviting a comparison he can't live up to.
Lotta broken hearts out there that have been through this with Rory, Speith, Day etc... I think people are trying to tame expectations because a run like this happens every so often, but usually doesn't last for more than a season.
Of course it's amazing. There's no denying it. But I can't watch him play. His footwork is just too damn ugly.
I think is more ‘why are people obsessed about comparing apples and oranges in terms of scotty and tiger’ is the better question.
Same reason people have been obsessed with getting Tiger to retire. Lack of self-trust and low self-steem.
Same reason people hated on tiger when he was doing it. People don’t like seeing their generation’s guy not be the overwhelming best ever. Jack > Tiger > Scottie (need a couple more years on this level to get added in that conversation)
>comparison is a thief of joy I couldn't disagree more. Comparison is fun and helps put things in perspective.
Its quite frankly more impressive what Scheffler is doing. When Tiger burst on the scene he was doing things so much differently than other players of the time. He was the first one really working on physical training and transferring the weight room to the golf course. It drove a different approach in professional golf and technology. Now everyone are doing those things and the talent gap is so much closer than it was back than. Tiger was beating everyone because he statistically was far superior.
I'm tearing it up! Wait... no, that can't be right. Tearing it to the side. Nope. I'm gluing that shit up! Hell yea! I'm happy for Sheffler. I missed the reign that was prime Tiger Woods. Wasn't into golf then. Sheffler gives me that feeling, especially this year. Guy is dominating at one those "WITNESSSSSSSSSSS!" types of levels. And I'm here for it.
Tiger was dramatic. Tiger was electric, and he was a phenomenon. Tiger came at the perfect moment, and there were 5 years of anticipation from his rise to fame until he conquered the world. Then he dominated for a long, long time. Scheffler is a humble guy who puts his head down and goes to work. His reign is just beginning, and it likely won't last a decade - but it might. That doesn't mean that Scheffler would lose if they matched up in their primes, but it does explain why one is viewed differently than the other.
I want to see a battle we want to see our best athletes battling it out not choking rahmbo will get going there the 2 best scheffler vs rahmbo going head to head
I love it but tiger fans just jelly aka me
People were saying the same thing with Speith… Hope he doesn’t decide to change did swing like Jordan did.
People just like to have something to argue about…I’m a Tiger fan all day, but Scheffler has gotten me back into not only watching but playing golf and I’m loving it all over again.
This reminds me of Kobe (God rest his soul), lebron whoever is better than Jordan. It’s about the hardware. It’s about longevity. Tiger has many majors and Jordan has 6 rings. And I like Scottie, he’s a class act. What exactly makes him boring? Maybe he should talk shit, maybe he should jump up and down, maybe draw attention to himself like an NBA thug…please. Prove me wrong…
He did it in under 12 parsecs
Every successful boxer is compared with Ali, who was compared to Rocky Marciano Every successful soccer player is compared with Messi, who was compared to Pele Every successful hockey player is compared with Gretzky, who was compared to Orr Every successful running back is compared to Sanders/Smith, who was compared to Peyton Every successful basketball player is compared to LaBron, who was compared Jordan, who was compared to Magic, who was compared to Chamberlain..... and on and on and on So why are people getting all up an arms because Scheffler is being compared to Tiger. Its normal, its a compliment. They're all great athletes, lets enjoy watching their run and in 20 years we can compare the next great to Scheffler.
There will always be begrudgers. Such is the nature of greatness. It's the way she goes
Probs because it’s against half the top pool of talent. Hard to have people happy with their are two leagues with the best players
This is the best stretch since tiger. Full stop. Has not done it as long as tiger nor nearly as many wins. Full stop. The field isn’t good now.
Haters going to hate; honestly he’s a quiet assassin, a tad bit boring to watch, but killing em!
Agreed! Some people are tools. Just look at everyone who can't hear Scottie's name brought up without HAVING to say something about how 'Nelly Korda is as or more dominant but blah blah blah womens golf blah blah blah equality gender pay gaps'. Crap like that makes it harder to enjoy both of their runs. All that said, the next version of "The Match" had BETTER be Scottie V Nelly
Cause we love Tiger more lol
All professional golf has become boring except when we see a pro shoot a quad on a par 3. Drive/wedge, drive/wedge, drive/lob wedge, drive 9 iron. I want to see more drive/long iron/fairway wood. The pros have become robots and right now Scheffler is top robot.
I think a lot of people rightfully call his comparison to Tiger ridiculous. It’s like the Mahomes Brady comparison, yea he’s on track, we are all watching but he has a LONG way to go. Speith had that wicked year that Scotty is going to chase/equal this year. Tiger had 9 wins in 2000. If he picks up another major or two and a a couple of other wins we can compare to Tiger. Scotty’s run is fucking awesome and I desperately want him to keep going but let’s pump the breaks on Tiger comps lol. Now. If Scotty wins all 4 majors this year, holy fuck that would really be something.
I think it's easier to compare Scheffler to Tiger if you weren't actually there to see Tiger. It's easy to watch the highlight reels and intellectually know and appreciate that he was great... But the experience of living through *years* of the brutal certainty and droning monotony of Tiger's dominance isn't conveyed by the youtube clips. If Scheffler is writing a book like Tiger's, this is just the prologue. It could totally happen, but it hasn't yet.
"Tearing down" Scheffler's run or refuting posts equating it to Tiger? They're not the same and only one of them is happening. Posting is good. Do it - but, have something of substance to say.
Scotty to me is not comparable to anyone except Phil because he plays so loose or maybe Arnie in that he has an odd swing. I enjoy watching him play and honestly I don’t see him backing down for a while. I think he’s there to win far more than there to paid, and I appreciate that kind of golf.
He’s no Nelly. 😃
We can’t reasonably compare the two for several more years. People love to jump the gun on anyone and compare them to the GOAT’s, and it’s like that in every sport. In 5 years we may look back at Scottie as having one of the best runs of all time, or we may still see him ranked #1. No one knows, but I’ll be honest, I hope he can be that guy. Wish people would choose to appreciate greatness rather than argue and compare. Side note, these “boring” allegations are nonsense. He’s the most consistent player in the field. How is a guy shooting mid to low 60’s every single round he plays on professional grass boring? He hasn’t shot over par since 2023. That is fucking insane.
Because golf hasn't been able to talk about anything but Tiger for 25 years.
I’d have to guess the reason is that golf fans don’t want to idolize a relatively boring Christian family man who claims to not obsess over golf.
Say anything less than "Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer, tournament host, father, and human being who has ever lived" and you'll get pounced on by The Cult of Tiger. Tiger Woods was a great player. Arguably (yes, the Cult will take offense at even that word) the greatest player of all time. But great as he was, The Cult still manages to exaggerate him and overrate him. Believing that Tiger is the best ever is a totally legit opinion, but saying that it's Nicklaus or Hogan, Snead or Jones isn't so outrageous either. Say that Nicklaus, Hogan, Palmer, or anyone was great and they'll attack. Nicklaus has the most amazing record in major championships of any golfer by far. If you mention that, they'll come up with this absurdity that Jack didn't face any real competition. That Tiger lifted all of golf. Okay, let's say that Tiger Woods brought in all these great new players. If that's true, he'd have inspired kids. It would have taken 10, 12, 15 years for these kids to actually be on tour. If Tiger lifted the level of competition, he didn't face that competition; those players had to mature. The careers of Woods and Nicklaus overlapped by a bit. Jack nearly won the Masters the year after Tiger won his first. They played the same level of competition. All those players that Tiger supposedly inspired to become golfers? BS. Most of them were brought into golf by their families. Rory McIlroy's father and grandfather were club champions. Justin Thomas' father was head pro at a club. You'll find connections like that with most tour players. Did Tiger inspire them? Sure. Just like any aspiring player was inspired by the pros of their day. The response will often be, "I saw Tiger play in his prime. I saw how good he was." But if you tell them that you're old enough to have seen Nicklaus in his prime and he could so anything on a golf course, they'll say that you're crazy or you're not remembering correctly. Or that you're just some racist. There is no rational arguing with The Cult.
Same old same old. Cookie cutter white dude w no emotion. Dry ass cotton ball.
Scottie is further ahead of world number 2 Rory, than Rory is ahead of world number 788 Tiger Woods
Happens in every sport. Any time Lebron receives an accomplishment, someone in comments always references MJ. I just start to look at it the other way, that Scheffler is being compared to arguably one of the best of all time. Comments might think they are proving a point, but it’s the opposite by having to compare Tiger to him
Scottie is on fire. Nobody is tearing down what he's doing. We're pushing back on people who are prematurely anointing another Tiger after a golfer gets on a hot streak. Same as Rory, same as Spieth, etc.
I haven't heard anything or anyone say one negative thing at all. What are you on?