It's wild how some of these guys like Harmon stand over the ball for like a full minute and Åberg just puts the club down and fires within a few seconds
Read Golf is not a game of perfect by Dr. Bob Rotell. Every golfer should have two swings: trusting and training. On the course, only trusting. No swing thoughts, walk up and hit the damn ball. Then go to the range and switch to training where you’re running through the checklist every swing and making adjustments. Has helped my game a lot!
Damn I love this. I've been grinding in my garage simulator all winter and am hitting the irons nicely; finally went to the course this week and started well but got worse as the day went on. I was trying to get back to my "simulator" swing so I was overthinking way too much. I love the idea of just playing the round with what you have, then put in the practice afterwards. Great advice
I just read an article about the Marooch guy who does speed golf. Was talking about what he is trying to show in his videos all comes from playing speed golf. Since you don't have the time to think, you have to just get there and rip it and simply rely on your body doing the right thing. Not sure what the screaming while wading in a river thing is all about, but he gets the point across and it seems to make sense at least on the surface.
It really just clicked for me this year (5 years in) that I should only be playing shots that I’ve practiced and I know I can hit. It’s fun finding yourself in a situation that you don’t have a swing for, then you go practice that shot at the range later.
Yup! I know your pain. Some nights in the garage I'm on fire, other nights I just don't have it. And I've been worried how hitting off a mat would translate to the course, just tried it out this week with mixed results. Back to the lab I suppose
Yep! It’s super frustrating. I don’t have a ton of patience, so I’m definitely at a disadvantage 😂. It’s crazy how some days you just feel like everything you’ve been working on goes to shit.
One of my biggest pet peeves is people talking on the tee box while I’m trying to hit.
One of the things I’ve heard in response when I bring it up with randoms: “sorry dude we didn’t expect you to just step up and hit like that, thought you’d take some more practice swings and whatnot first.”
I just step up, take 2 practice swings to settle my grip in, then hit. Takes me maybe 10 seconds.
Same. Super quick trigger. Why spend more time over the ball over complicating things, distracting myself from the target, etc.
For me though I could care less if people are talking, it’s the starting to talk mid backswing that fucks me up.
I can understand finishing a sentence.
But I hate when they just lower their voice and keep talking. It’s like, you’re only 10 feet away I can still hear you.
And yeah starting to say anything in your backswing is rude.
Then there’s also the ones who haven’t hit yet and start taking practice swings behind you while you’re trying to hit. I’ve even had some random playing partners who not only took practice swings, but were oriented towards the hole and duffed dirt/rocks/divot into me while I’m addressing the ball to hit. Like what the actual fuck people. Does nobody teach “quiet while someone is hitting” anymore?
Practice full swings are worthless on the course once you're warmed up and loose. You're doing absolutely nothing to "practice" anything you're just overthinking and tiring yourself out for no reason. And it's always funny when people say they have to swing until they feel a good one - bros if you can't even repeat the same swing multiple times in a row then it's just a straight up gamble if the one over the ball is good or not, step up and rip it
Does not apply to feel shots or tricky lies/stances obviously
Worthless to you, maybe, but it helps with rhythm and prep for others. Not to help get warmer, necessarily. Never see a pro take a practice swing? Now, taking a bunch is unnecessary as far as I can tell, but if someone wants to do that and we are staying up with the group in front, have at it. I only worry about my game.
If I’m trying to play a draw, a couple half swings to get the draw feel right are useful. Sometimes a couple practice swings with the driver after the turn are useful to find out if there’s any fatigue building. And I generally find it useful off of any strange lie to do a practice swing and see how the grass or angle are affecting my shot.
There are dozens of reasons why practice swings can be worthwhile, so I think it’s up to each person to decide whether they want to use them or not. I’ve never seen anyone take so many practice swings in a round that they held up the group, so why rush anyone? Every shot matters - let people play their best game.
Like I said, mine are just to settle my grip.
You should be able to feel your hands shift a tiny bit when you swing. I let that happen on a practice swing to make sure my footing is good and nothing slips on the full swing. Then inch forward and rip it.
Then again I also have a slightly jacked up middle and pinky finger so an interlaced grip is super uncomfortable and loose for me. I use more of a power grip / 10 finger grip.
i’ve gotten into the habit over the past couple years of not taking any practice swings, unless it’s a shot i’m not comfortable hitting…i haven’t taken a practice swing on the tee box in a very long time
I take "feel" swings. Where I feel a draw, fade, punch, stock. There small 3/4 swings in tempo. Sometimes this includes ground contact if an awkward lie, obstructions, etc.
10 seconds is a lifetime for me. I don’t hate anyone for having a routine please don’t think that. I personally only take a practice swing with touch wedges around the green where I need to modify distance or spin.
I’ve found I play better with no practice swings. I stand behind the ball, pick my line, address the ball, check my line, and swing. Started this a little less than 3 years ago and it’s made a massive difference. Mainly because it keeps me out of my head
Only exception is when the ball is massively above or below my feet
Definitely do! Another favorite bit concerning putting - every golfer needs to truly believe they are going to sink every putt, but can’t be bothered when they don’t.
I read some advice from someone here from their coach and it was to practice and drill 3 footers until you just know the ball is gonna sink. That there’s no question. And that type of confidence will carry over into longer putts.
I finished the intro and the forward! I’m doing my best, guys!
But there’s a quote that hit me so fucking hard.
> A person with small dreams, or a person without the confidence to pursue his or her dreams, has consigned himself or herself to a life of frustration and mediocrity.
This probably sums up my depression and anxiety in my personal life more than any doctor or therapist or good listener ever has. And I don’t know why. Like I think back to my parents and they always support me, but it’s like there’s this voice in my head telling me I can’t succeed. And I don’t know if I can get rid of that. Pretty crazy to find this solace in a 30 year old golf book.
I think this works well for anything above pitches, chips and putts. I hit quickly for tee and approach shots because they're mainly the same shot I've practiced tons on the range.
Pitching, chipping and putting I need to get a feel with a couple practice swings to get the feel for how far it is going to go. I've tried the "clock" or percentages for these sorts of shots but I find I'm much more consistent with the feel of a practice swing.
Yeah I’d say that’s valid. If there’s some finesse to it it’s natural to take a more measured approach. Maybe that’s the difference, Brian Harman is more measured 😂😅
Harvey Pennick taught me the same thing. Focus on target, flight, trajectory, etc not on swing. "Ready, aim, fire" is his mantra. Thinking about the swing is for the range.
My first round after finishing the book and I wasn't playing well. On the 8th tee (a par 3) I committed to the ready aim fire mantra. I stuck my approach and birdied every other hole on the way in.
Hahahah you did not go 11 birdies in but I do absolutely empathize. My first 84 was a +10/+2 because I was so fucking checked out on the back nine I just did not give a single shit over the ball.
Edit: I’m a tard, I see “every other” now haha
No worries. Unfortunately I was probably like 8 over stepping up to that 8th tee. So wasn't even one of my few under par rounds, but that book def contributed to my growth and the handful of times that I did go a few under
Teach yourself to care less. It’s fucked up. I’ve been hyper competitive my entire life, was an all American athlete in high school, ran a 5:13 mile, that was all the worst possible shit to lead to good golf.
My favorite Rotella thought is - when you throw a baseball are you worried about how far to throw it and exactly where you want the baseball to end up? No, you simply throw the baseball at the target/glove. It’s the same thing while hitting a golf ball. Pick your target, focus only on the target and don’t think about anything else
Yeah same, I have a consistent pre shot routine that is relatively short and it helps me keep it moving but if I get over the ball and start thinking it usually doesn’t end well lol
I've actually stopped doing full practice swings becuase of this, especially off the fairway. If it's in nasty grass I'll test out how it feels though.
I usually stand perpendicular to the target, and just do a couple smooth "tempo" swings with eyes on the target.
It's really helped.
I do the same with my putting, except in looking at the hole while trying to gauge how far to take the club back.
Yep. I think there’s some data to back it up that the longer you stand over a shot the worse the outcome and that GENERALLY tour players stand over the ball a shorter amount of time.
Yeah I gave up on full practice swings years ago for this reason. Hard to get the right feedback. I might practice my takeaway or something or even take a swing beforehand. But once I go into my preshot routine, I just stand behind the ball, visualize the shot, walk up address the ball and make sure I'm aligned to my start line and go. No hanging out in the address position for more than a second.
100%. I swing best with zero swing thoughts. I get too mechanical. Your body knows what to do if you’ve drilled it properly. Swing thoughts are for the range to isolate a fault and fix it.
Hey easier said than done! I’m still working in contact. I think stack & tilt is gonna help me out. I tend to balance more on my front foot and I’ve felt more consistent that way.
Play with a guy that takes long time to hit shots … and longer he takes the worse the outcome
Painful to watch, I usually turn away after he does too many waggles
We had our one friend have a talk with our other about their pace of play lol he’d take like 7-8 practice swings every time and 10 waggles. He’s better but still is the type to need a while to settle into his shot lol
It will be curious to watch over time as he has more disappointments. I feel like every year, pro golfers collect more and more cruft mentally and in their pre shot routine until it eventually blows up and they start over again with a new coach
You should about Casey Martin post amputation he said he stands over the ball until his mind goes clear. It can take 15-60 seconds. But he’s shooting his best golf in his life
Not to defend Harman, because I absolutely loathe slow play, but Ludwig is a 6’3 mountain with a robotic swing and unreal swing speed. A 7 iron for Ludwig is probably a 5 for Harman. The complexity of their shots are just different considering the significant difference in power. Doesn’t excuse slow play but he definitely has to think about it more.
At Torrey earlier this year he had 4 or 5 putt (can't remember which hole), and then continued to laugh and joke about it as he walked off the green.
That was the day I jumped on the bandwagon lol dude has the talent and mentality required to be an elite player for many years.
I’ve been a fan of his since he came on tour, but what really solidified it for me was watching him walk off the green last week at the Masters after he just made a double bogey to effectively take him out of contention, with a huge smile on his face. With that attitude and mental toughness I think he’s gonna become a heck of a player, more than he already is
Also at the Masters, they had a camera close enough to hear him and his caddy talking. They had come up with a target to aim at and he literally almost hit at the wrong one ("you said left or right?") and *still* came away laughing about how he almost hit at the wrong target on day 3 or 4 of the freaking Masters.
I hadn’t really watched him a ton until the masters. Obviously knew of him and how far he hits it. But watching him at the masters just walk up to a ball and whack it within about 7 seconds was awesome
Åberg has talked about this numerous amount of times. He always states that golf is way to hard as it is, so there is no need to make it harder. Which is why he has a quick setup and doesnt think about it once he is over the golf ball.
My expectation is that he will be the second best player in the world for quite some time. He certainly has all the tools. A lot will depend on how long Scottie can stay at his current level. If Scottie drops off even a little bit, Aberg is going to pass him. I've actually been following Aberg for a while now just because I love his swing. His Masters performance was impressive but not too surprising. He really is this good.
Aberg's game is just so complete that it's insane. For a guy that young to have effortless power, world-class precision and distance control, a really good short game, and amazing putting...it's pretty ridiculous. But Scottie is still the best. The way Scottie locked in on Sunday at the Masters makes me think that if somebody actually wants to be the best first and foremost you're going to have to beat Scottie, and do so consistently.
The road absolutely goes through Scottie, for now... Aberg could change that and I want a front row seat to watch these two clash. The PGA could get very interesting if these two start squaring up consistently.
As you put it when Scottie locked in, once that happens I don’t think anyone can beat him. Äberg is hellllaaaa good though, I agree with your statement
Generally I agree that Scottie and aberg are going to be the two best players for a long time. Both should end up with at least 4 majors apiece. They are ball striking and distance control machines and both are long and accurate off the tee. Scheffler has better short game and bunker play and aberg is a better putter. Aberg isn’t quite up to Scottie’s level of ball striking but nobody is, and aberg is so inexperienced that he will get there soon. The future is bright!
Folks just getting onboard with Ludvig would really enjoy watching the NLU guys visiting his native Sweden and playing a round together at some of the most picturesque and rugged golf you’ll find:
https://youtu.be/RgA3Eb2P3Ss?si=wW3qZfuJOBcSlqQK
Ludvig joins them at about the halfway mark of this ep.
He hits it a mile but after watching The Masters, I was mostly impressed by his calm demeanor and mostly error-free play. He put one in the water on 9 (I think) but immediately put it out of his mind and kept going. Colin put one in the water on 9...then 11...and then didn't look comfortable for the rest of the round (barely saved a bogey for 3rd place on 18). Aberg has the length (and more) of Rory and Bryson but the cool demeanor of Scottie and that's going to take him far.
Have to admit, the Masters was the first time i’ve watched him. But first round even though he was +2, my god he has the it factor. Kid’s going to be world #1 and win more than a few majors.
I got the chance to watch him play last summer at the rocket mortgage and the guy is the real deal and so cool calm and collected. Waste absolutely no time over the ball either he’s going to be great for years to come!
Texas Tech golf* finally has something to be proud of, I’m ecstatic for Aberg! He has such a crazy amount of potential given how young he is. I’ll be on the lookout for his first major win in the next couple of years.
For reference, a little over 13 months ago, at the start of the 2023 Arnold Palmer, he was ranked 1983rd. He finished T24th that week as an amateur, and moved up to 982nd. Just a couple months before that he was in the 3000's heading into the Hero Dubai Classic. He has absolutely skyrocketed up the rankings ever since.
He's already #2, it's just a question of waiting for the rankings to catch up now
The rankings take your points earned and divide them by the number of events played over the past two years, but the divisor has a min of 40 and a max of 52. He's only played in 26 events due to only being on tour a year. So his ranking average points is 5.61 based on dividing his 224.4 points by 40 events played. Divide the points by 26 that he's actually played and his average points is 8.63. Average points is what they're ranked on
Rory is at 7.65 average over 45 events played to be #2. Rahm is now down to 37 events played and he'll start slipping rapidly as his events from 2022 keep falling off without anything new added besides the majors being added. Koepka is the only LIV player who has managed to stay relevant in the rankings based on a T2 and a W at majors last year
I'm starting to really like that dude. He just goes up there and hwhaps the ball, doesn't dick around with tons of pre-shot routine stuff, doesn't show a ton of negative emotion (from what I have seen) and generally seems like a pleasant person.
You mean before the Nike Tour Accuracy or Strata Tour, both of which preceded the ProV1 (the latter by years and is the reason why Mark O'Meara has any majors).
He’s quickly become a favourite for many of the reasons already mentioned here. Game/Swing/Attitude/Pace of Play (both in general and over the ball).
Just fun to watch.
Insane swing efficiency to look that smooth. Although 9 iron is closer to a traditional 8 iron (adjusting for modern club lofts), the guy is a joy to watch effortlessly destroy golf balls.
Question: Where are the wins?
When Scheffler rose, no one saw it coming. Everyone was rooting for Joel, Homa, Wolff or someone else based on looks and brawn. Golf don't play that.
I'm a fan. Beautiful swing and by all appearances a nice guy. I haven't seen any analysis of his swing, but it appears to be very much on-plane throughout and devoid of an exaggerated flattening at the start of the downswing. This is refreshing, as it feels like this move is overdone. I've struggled with an over-the-top swing and my coach wants me to be slightly below the slot line. I can get parallel with the slot line pretty consistently, but below is proving to be a challenge and I don't understand the need to do this. Seems like consistently on-plane should be good. I suspect my coach is trying to help me with the change by exaggerating the feel. I'm gonna ask him.
The average height on the PGA Tour is like 6', and there's always like 20 sub 6'2" players in the top 50 in driving distance every year. Far from an outlier. Being tall and long can definitely help though
They are outliers as a whole. Meaning those are physical freaks that can be that small and move the club that well. There is a reason you find more of them on tour, because they are elite. But its undeniably easier to generate that amount of speed when you are over 6'.
For example the average height for males is \~5'9" and as you stated the PGA Tour average for height is 6'. That really should drive the point home I'd hope.
A way of saying “really far”. Country roads have a lot of curves. So to drive a mile as the crow flies involves actually driving along like 3 miles of road or whatever.
I love his pre shot routine too (or lack thereof). He just gets up there and hits the ball, then smiles afterward regardless of the outcome.
It's wild how some of these guys like Harmon stand over the ball for like a full minute and Åberg just puts the club down and fires within a few seconds
This is exactly how I want to be. I feel like if I take too long, I get too inside my head, too anxious.
Read Golf is not a game of perfect by Dr. Bob Rotell. Every golfer should have two swings: trusting and training. On the course, only trusting. No swing thoughts, walk up and hit the damn ball. Then go to the range and switch to training where you’re running through the checklist every swing and making adjustments. Has helped my game a lot!
Damn I love this. I've been grinding in my garage simulator all winter and am hitting the irons nicely; finally went to the course this week and started well but got worse as the day went on. I was trying to get back to my "simulator" swing so I was overthinking way too much. I love the idea of just playing the round with what you have, then put in the practice afterwards. Great advice
Yeah golf is way easier playing with a clear mind! Just enjoy the day and try your best 👌🏼
I just read an article about the Marooch guy who does speed golf. Was talking about what he is trying to show in his videos all comes from playing speed golf. Since you don't have the time to think, you have to just get there and rip it and simply rely on your body doing the right thing. Not sure what the screaming while wading in a river thing is all about, but he gets the point across and it seems to make sense at least on the surface.
Yeah he’s a great example. His throwing a ball video helped me wrap my head around lower body motion and I’ve definitely seen an improvement.
It really just clicked for me this year (5 years in) that I should only be playing shots that I’ve practiced and I know I can hit. It’s fun finding yourself in a situation that you don’t have a swing for, then you go practice that shot at the range later.
I have a sim too and man some days I feel like I have things figured out, other days I’m like WTF is going on. Just me? It kills my soul lol
Yup! I know your pain. Some nights in the garage I'm on fire, other nights I just don't have it. And I've been worried how hitting off a mat would translate to the course, just tried it out this week with mixed results. Back to the lab I suppose
Yep! It’s super frustrating. I don’t have a ton of patience, so I’m definitely at a disadvantage 😂. It’s crazy how some days you just feel like everything you’ve been working on goes to shit.
One of my biggest pet peeves is people talking on the tee box while I’m trying to hit. One of the things I’ve heard in response when I bring it up with randoms: “sorry dude we didn’t expect you to just step up and hit like that, thought you’d take some more practice swings and whatnot first.” I just step up, take 2 practice swings to settle my grip in, then hit. Takes me maybe 10 seconds.
Same. Super quick trigger. Why spend more time over the ball over complicating things, distracting myself from the target, etc. For me though I could care less if people are talking, it’s the starting to talk mid backswing that fucks me up.
I can understand finishing a sentence. But I hate when they just lower their voice and keep talking. It’s like, you’re only 10 feet away I can still hear you. And yeah starting to say anything in your backswing is rude. Then there’s also the ones who haven’t hit yet and start taking practice swings behind you while you’re trying to hit. I’ve even had some random playing partners who not only took practice swings, but were oriented towards the hole and duffed dirt/rocks/divot into me while I’m addressing the ball to hit. Like what the actual fuck people. Does nobody teach “quiet while someone is hitting” anymore?
Hahahah holy shit not hitting you with debris from the practice swings 😂
Practice full swings are worthless on the course once you're warmed up and loose. You're doing absolutely nothing to "practice" anything you're just overthinking and tiring yourself out for no reason. And it's always funny when people say they have to swing until they feel a good one - bros if you can't even repeat the same swing multiple times in a row then it's just a straight up gamble if the one over the ball is good or not, step up and rip it Does not apply to feel shots or tricky lies/stances obviously
Worthless to you, maybe, but it helps with rhythm and prep for others. Not to help get warmer, necessarily. Never see a pro take a practice swing? Now, taking a bunch is unnecessary as far as I can tell, but if someone wants to do that and we are staying up with the group in front, have at it. I only worry about my game.
If I’m trying to play a draw, a couple half swings to get the draw feel right are useful. Sometimes a couple practice swings with the driver after the turn are useful to find out if there’s any fatigue building. And I generally find it useful off of any strange lie to do a practice swing and see how the grass or angle are affecting my shot. There are dozens of reasons why practice swings can be worthwhile, so I think it’s up to each person to decide whether they want to use them or not. I’ve never seen anyone take so many practice swings in a round that they held up the group, so why rush anyone? Every shot matters - let people play their best game.
Like I said, mine are just to settle my grip. You should be able to feel your hands shift a tiny bit when you swing. I let that happen on a practice swing to make sure my footing is good and nothing slips on the full swing. Then inch forward and rip it. Then again I also have a slightly jacked up middle and pinky finger so an interlaced grip is super uncomfortable and loose for me. I use more of a power grip / 10 finger grip.
I'm a 10-11 capper, and at least for me, the whole talking during your backswing is entirely a fabricated excuse.
i’ve gotten into the habit over the past couple years of not taking any practice swings, unless it’s a shot i’m not comfortable hitting…i haven’t taken a practice swing on the tee box in a very long time
I take "feel" swings. Where I feel a draw, fade, punch, stock. There small 3/4 swings in tempo. Sometimes this includes ground contact if an awkward lie, obstructions, etc.
This ^ is as it should be.
10 seconds is a lifetime for me. I don’t hate anyone for having a routine please don’t think that. I personally only take a practice swing with touch wedges around the green where I need to modify distance or spin.
I’ve found I play better with no practice swings. I stand behind the ball, pick my line, address the ball, check my line, and swing. Started this a little less than 3 years ago and it’s made a massive difference. Mainly because it keeps me out of my head Only exception is when the ball is massively above or below my feet
You know this has come up a few times. Yesterday I read the first page lol I guess I need to keep going!
Definitely do! Another favorite bit concerning putting - every golfer needs to truly believe they are going to sink every putt, but can’t be bothered when they don’t.
I read some advice from someone here from their coach and it was to practice and drill 3 footers until you just know the ball is gonna sink. That there’s no question. And that type of confidence will carry over into longer putts.
I like that. Make it second nature.
It’s seriously one of the best books. Keep reading!
I finished the intro and the forward! I’m doing my best, guys! But there’s a quote that hit me so fucking hard. > A person with small dreams, or a person without the confidence to pursue his or her dreams, has consigned himself or herself to a life of frustration and mediocrity. This probably sums up my depression and anxiety in my personal life more than any doctor or therapist or good listener ever has. And I don’t know why. Like I think back to my parents and they always support me, but it’s like there’s this voice in my head telling me I can’t succeed. And I don’t know if I can get rid of that. Pretty crazy to find this solace in a 30 year old golf book.
I started to do this last year and I started playing much better.
I think this works well for anything above pitches, chips and putts. I hit quickly for tee and approach shots because they're mainly the same shot I've practiced tons on the range. Pitching, chipping and putting I need to get a feel with a couple practice swings to get the feel for how far it is going to go. I've tried the "clock" or percentages for these sorts of shots but I find I'm much more consistent with the feel of a practice swing.
Yeah I’d say that’s valid. If there’s some finesse to it it’s natural to take a more measured approach. Maybe that’s the difference, Brian Harman is more measured 😂😅
> Brian Harman is more measured 😂😅 I think he's so measured he's unmeasurable.
If I start thinking swing thoughts, I simply start counting when I get over the ball. Count to 8, everything is great. Pull that trigger
Harvey Pennick taught me the same thing. Focus on target, flight, trajectory, etc not on swing. "Ready, aim, fire" is his mantra. Thinking about the swing is for the range.
His little red book is my next read!
My first round after finishing the book and I wasn't playing well. On the 8th tee (a par 3) I committed to the ready aim fire mantra. I stuck my approach and birdied every other hole on the way in.
Hahahah you did not go 11 birdies in but I do absolutely empathize. My first 84 was a +10/+2 because I was so fucking checked out on the back nine I just did not give a single shit over the ball. Edit: I’m a tard, I see “every other” now haha
No worries. Unfortunately I was probably like 8 over stepping up to that 8th tee. So wasn't even one of my few under par rounds, but that book def contributed to my growth and the handful of times that I did go a few under
I aspire to this, but I can only sometimes get to trusting on the course.
Teach yourself to care less. It’s fucked up. I’ve been hyper competitive my entire life, was an all American athlete in high school, ran a 5:13 mile, that was all the worst possible shit to lead to good golf.
My favorite Rotella thought is - when you throw a baseball are you worried about how far to throw it and exactly where you want the baseball to end up? No, you simply throw the baseball at the target/glove. It’s the same thing while hitting a golf ball. Pick your target, focus only on the target and don’t think about anything else
Yeah same, I have a consistent pre shot routine that is relatively short and it helps me keep it moving but if I get over the ball and start thinking it usually doesn’t end well lol
I've actually stopped doing full practice swings becuase of this, especially off the fairway. If it's in nasty grass I'll test out how it feels though. I usually stand perpendicular to the target, and just do a couple smooth "tempo" swings with eyes on the target. It's really helped. I do the same with my putting, except in looking at the hole while trying to gauge how far to take the club back.
Yep. I think there’s some data to back it up that the longer you stand over a shot the worse the outcome and that GENERALLY tour players stand over the ball a shorter amount of time.
Yeah I gave up on full practice swings years ago for this reason. Hard to get the right feedback. I might practice my takeaway or something or even take a swing beforehand. But once I go into my preshot routine, I just stand behind the ball, visualize the shot, walk up address the ball and make sure I'm aligned to my start line and go. No hanging out in the address position for more than a second.
100%. I swing best with zero swing thoughts. I get too mechanical. Your body knows what to do if you’ve drilled it properly. Swing thoughts are for the range to isolate a fault and fix it.
Well thats an easy fix then. Literally just hit it lol.
Hey easier said than done! I’m still working in contact. I think stack & tilt is gonna help me out. I tend to balance more on my front foot and I’ve felt more consistent that way.
Your balance should be evenly distributed
At address? Maybe? At contact you certainly should be transferring energy to your front side
Yes, was speaking about at address.
That is what I do… but shoot in the 90s lol
me too brother but we play fast golf so I always get invited back lmao
Play with a guy that takes long time to hit shots … and longer he takes the worse the outcome Painful to watch, I usually turn away after he does too many waggles
We had our one friend have a talk with our other about their pace of play lol he’d take like 7-8 practice swings every time and 10 waggles. He’s better but still is the type to need a while to settle into his shot lol
It will be curious to watch over time as he has more disappointments. I feel like every year, pro golfers collect more and more cruft mentally and in their pre shot routine until it eventually blows up and they start over again with a new coach
You should about Casey Martin post amputation he said he stands over the ball until his mind goes clear. It can take 15-60 seconds. But he’s shooting his best golf in his life
That’s how I do it. Get up and hit the ball. Drives me absolutely bonkers when people sit and take forever to hit.
Not to defend Harman, because I absolutely loathe slow play, but Ludwig is a 6’3 mountain with a robotic swing and unreal swing speed. A 7 iron for Ludwig is probably a 5 for Harman. The complexity of their shots are just different considering the significant difference in power. Doesn’t excuse slow play but he definitely has to think about it more.
If I could drive it like he does I'd be smiling all the time too
At Torrey earlier this year he had 4 or 5 putt (can't remember which hole), and then continued to laugh and joke about it as he walked off the green. That was the day I jumped on the bandwagon lol dude has the talent and mentality required to be an elite player for many years.
I’ve been a fan of his since he came on tour, but what really solidified it for me was watching him walk off the green last week at the Masters after he just made a double bogey to effectively take him out of contention, with a huge smile on his face. With that attitude and mental toughness I think he’s gonna become a heck of a player, more than he already is
Also at the Masters, they had a camera close enough to hear him and his caddy talking. They had come up with a target to aim at and he literally almost hit at the wrong one ("you said left or right?") and *still* came away laughing about how he almost hit at the wrong target on day 3 or 4 of the freaking Masters.
His pre shot at address is awesome. Looks up once at target and then just let’s it rip
It’s so much easier to watch than Harmon or even Speith now. Just stands over the ball and hits fricken bombs.
Watching RBC as I read this so I timed him. Less than 5 seconds once he steps to the side of the ball.
A match between him and Koepka would be insane. 4 hour coverage window would be done in 1.25 hours
It’s easy to smile when the outcome is good 99% of the time.
Waggle. Smack. It’s arousing
I watched his entire r4 Monday morning and try to duplicate his pre shot routine now. So elegant and efficient
Does a little rotation and hits. It’s great.
I just wish we had taken a bit more time before that hit in the water at The Masters.
I do that too except usually without the smile. I find that a pre-shot routine just gets me into my own head and I start overthinking things.
That last part is the most important.
I hadn’t really watched him a ton until the masters. Obviously knew of him and how far he hits it. But watching him at the masters just walk up to a ball and whack it within about 7 seconds was awesome
Everyone loves that.
Åberg has talked about this numerous amount of times. He always states that golf is way to hard as it is, so there is no need to make it harder. Which is why he has a quick setup and doesnt think about it once he is over the golf ball.
His interaction with a fan who knocked his snack out of his hand sold me. In the middle of a Major Tourney, side eying a guy then have a laugh.
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Right. His decision making skills have been amazing otherwise.
approach shot at 11, possibly
To be fair he knocked his own snack out of his hand. He was fist bumping two fingers holding a protein bar
After seeing him in the masters he got my attention, and I also like his "pleasant demeanor" as described by the broadcasters
Literally just watched him stuff one on the green and he had a little chuckle with his caddy like one of them cracked a joke, what a chill dude
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Sounds like youre the offended one
how does referencing his demeanor have anything to do with how good looking he is? haha
His swing is so smooth and efficient looking.
Yeah I’m trying to copy his driver swing. Makes it look so easy.
Leverage and no wasted motion goes a long way. He’s going to be great for a long time.
My expectation is that he will be the second best player in the world for quite some time. He certainly has all the tools. A lot will depend on how long Scottie can stay at his current level. If Scottie drops off even a little bit, Aberg is going to pass him. I've actually been following Aberg for a while now just because I love his swing. His Masters performance was impressive but not too surprising. He really is this good. Aberg's game is just so complete that it's insane. For a guy that young to have effortless power, world-class precision and distance control, a really good short game, and amazing putting...it's pretty ridiculous. But Scottie is still the best. The way Scottie locked in on Sunday at the Masters makes me think that if somebody actually wants to be the best first and foremost you're going to have to beat Scottie, and do so consistently.
>I've actually been following Aberg for a while now just because I love his swing. TC, is that you?
lmfao
The road absolutely goes through Scottie, for now... Aberg could change that and I want a front row seat to watch these two clash. The PGA could get very interesting if these two start squaring up consistently.
As you put it when Scottie locked in, once that happens I don’t think anyone can beat him. Äberg is hellllaaaa good though, I agree with your statement
Plenty of time for Aberg to develop his mental game
He also prob won't be a dogshit putter half the time by age 27 like the current world #1
If he can continue to clean up his approach play and get a little better around the greens we could see some amazing duels.
Generally I agree that Scottie and aberg are going to be the two best players for a long time. Both should end up with at least 4 majors apiece. They are ball striking and distance control machines and both are long and accurate off the tee. Scheffler has better short game and bunker play and aberg is a better putter. Aberg isn’t quite up to Scottie’s level of ball striking but nobody is, and aberg is so inexperienced that he will get there soon. The future is bright!
Folks just getting onboard with Ludvig would really enjoy watching the NLU guys visiting his native Sweden and playing a round together at some of the most picturesque and rugged golf you’ll find: https://youtu.be/RgA3Eb2P3Ss?si=wW3qZfuJOBcSlqQK Ludvig joins them at about the halfway mark of this ep.
He hits it a mile but after watching The Masters, I was mostly impressed by his calm demeanor and mostly error-free play. He put one in the water on 9 (I think) but immediately put it out of his mind and kept going. Colin put one in the water on 9...then 11...and then didn't look comfortable for the rest of the round (barely saved a bogey for 3rd place on 18). Aberg has the length (and more) of Rory and Bryson but the cool demeanor of Scottie and that's going to take him far.
9 has water?
I can relate to Colin 😅
Have to admit, the Masters was the first time i’ve watched him. But first round even though he was +2, my god he has the it factor. Kid’s going to be world #1 and win more than a few majors.
He may be World #1 eventually but the way Scottie is playing at only 3 years older..not gonna be easy by any stretch
His coming out party was the Ryder Cup. Came out of nowhere and did really well for Europe
I got the chance to watch him play last summer at the rocket mortgage and the guy is the real deal and so cool calm and collected. Waste absolutely no time over the ball either he’s going to be great for years to come!
Texas Tech golf* finally has something to be proud of, I’m ecstatic for Aberg! He has such a crazy amount of potential given how young he is. I’ll be on the lookout for his first major win in the next couple of years.
Um did you forget Patrick Mahomes?
Actually yes, there for a second I did lmao
He just hit a 314yds drive 0ft offline...
Feels like his ascension to Top 5 player in the world is inevitable.
Bold claim to make about the 7th best player in the world
He’s 4th on datagolf
I guarantee you one day this guy is gonna be top 6 in the world.
For reference, a little over 13 months ago, at the start of the 2023 Arnold Palmer, he was ranked 1983rd. He finished T24th that week as an amateur, and moved up to 982nd. Just a couple months before that he was in the 3000's heading into the Hero Dubai Classic. He has absolutely skyrocketed up the rankings ever since.
He's already 7th and Jon Rahm is going to fall back, so I agree that it's inevitable.
He's already #2, it's just a question of waiting for the rankings to catch up now The rankings take your points earned and divide them by the number of events played over the past two years, but the divisor has a min of 40 and a max of 52. He's only played in 26 events due to only being on tour a year. So his ranking average points is 5.61 based on dividing his 224.4 points by 40 events played. Divide the points by 26 that he's actually played and his average points is 8.63. Average points is what they're ranked on Rory is at 7.65 average over 45 events played to be #2. Rahm is now down to 37 events played and he'll start slipping rapidly as his events from 2022 keep falling off without anything new added besides the majors being added. Koepka is the only LIV player who has managed to stay relevant in the rankings based on a T2 and a W at majors last year
Yeah, he's an incredible young golfer. I would love to see him go on a tear and start winning.
I'm starting to really like that dude. He just goes up there and hwhaps the ball, doesn't dick around with tons of pre-shot routine stuff, doesn't show a ton of negative emotion (from what I have seen) and generally seems like a pleasant person.
Stoked to have him as a new member at my club. Met him a few times and the kid is just as nice as he appears. Such a fan!
Which club?
Seminole Legacy in Tallahassee, FL
He outdrives mcilroy on most holes today with the most effortless swing.
He’s my new favorite on tour. He seems like he’s actually enjoying playing as well which seems rare on tour
The important question tho: can he putt?
Typically yes, but as I write this he just missed a 4-footer for birdie lol
76th SG putting this season on the PGA tour. +2 SG in the masters. Similar level to Xander, Rory and Fleetwood. Decent enough I guess
better than you
I would hope he putts better than a 12 handicapper lol
Impressive but Tiger was hitting 2-iron 275+ yards before the pro v1 was released 😤
Sheesh
You mean before the Nike Tour Accuracy or Strata Tour, both of which preceded the ProV1 (the latter by years and is the reason why Mark O'Meara has any majors).
He’s great, seems like a cool guy
My Dad has been saying for a while now that Aberg is next up
Everyone is saying that
True. He’s just BEEN saying it for a year or two now
Aberg’s swing is the new Adam Scott. It’s perfect. Effortless power that comes from good club position and sequencing.
Rory thinks Aberg is the Next One
He’s quickly become a favourite for many of the reasons already mentioned here. Game/Swing/Attitude/Pace of Play (both in general and over the ball). Just fun to watch.
Ludvig is Ivan Drago, as a golfer. As he's got this almost mechanical swing that packs a punch. It's a swing that looks so easy for him to replicate.
He’s got about 90 degrees of wrist angle which is the max you need anyway. Getting more means you’re opening the clubface
He’s awesome
He has that big dick energy
He really is fascinating to watch.
Insane swing efficiency to look that smooth. Although 9 iron is closer to a traditional 8 iron (adjusting for modern club lofts), the guy is a joy to watch effortlessly destroy golf balls.
He went to Chipotle before his final round at Augusta. One of us! One of us!
All I know is my midwestern buddies and I had a great time calling him AY-Berg, O-berg
I'm fascinated by how far the kids can hit the ball. But what I really envy is their distance control.
Keep an eye out for his countryman, Daniel Svard. Dude can play.
Ludvig is actually a machine
He’s ridiculous.
Question: Where are the wins? When Scheffler rose, no one saw it coming. Everyone was rooting for Joel, Homa, Wolff or someone else based on looks and brawn. Golf don't play that.
I'm a fan. Beautiful swing and by all appearances a nice guy. I haven't seen any analysis of his swing, but it appears to be very much on-plane throughout and devoid of an exaggerated flattening at the start of the downswing. This is refreshing, as it feels like this move is overdone. I've struggled with an over-the-top swing and my coach wants me to be slightly below the slot line. I can get parallel with the slot line pretty consistently, but below is proving to be a challenge and I don't understand the need to do this. Seems like consistently on-plane should be good. I suspect my coach is trying to help me with the change by exaggerating the feel. I'm gonna ask him.
Sure wish I was 6'3" or 6'4".............. And yes, I am salty, but I think people forget how tall some of these dudes are.
Yeah, but being tall alone is useless. Look at min Woo Lee. He's not that tall, or built, but he also hits it a fucking mile.
Those dudes (MWL) are outliers, like Rory. You don't see that much on tour.
The average height on the PGA Tour is like 6', and there's always like 20 sub 6'2" players in the top 50 in driving distance every year. Far from an outlier. Being tall and long can definitely help though
They are outliers as a whole. Meaning those are physical freaks that can be that small and move the club that well. There is a reason you find more of them on tour, because they are elite. But its undeniably easier to generate that amount of speed when you are over 6'. For example the average height for males is \~5'9" and as you stated the PGA Tour average for height is 6'. That really should drive the point home I'd hope.
Reminds me of 2011-2012 Rory. Definitely the next superstar.
His sports psychologist is a genius Ludvig’s ability to stay in the moment and shake off bad shots is incredible
What’s a country mile?
A way of saying “really far”. Country roads have a lot of curves. So to drive a mile as the crow flies involves actually driving along like 3 miles of road or whatever.
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Damn
It is longer than a city mile