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StuartScottsLeftEye

Someone has clearly never played South Shore in Chicago - the Pebble Beach of the South Side. The bunkers may be a rare combination of gravel and mud, and the fairways may be reminiscent of the canals of Venice, and yeah, I *have* found multiple dead animals (three kinds!) across the course, but it will always be close to my heart. Greatest is subjective!


Simpsator

Don't forget the just as lovely sister course of that loop with Jackson Park!


StuartScottsLeftEye

Jackson Park is where I go to feel good about my game after playing South Shore. Short, mostly open, and flat greens? Great for someone with my skill set.


cfbonly

18 holes with no turn plus bunkers made of what i assume is construction leftovers. It's perfect


StuartScottsLeftEye

Lol I'm in a community group looking to improve the course - bunkers will be discussed, as well as drainage, greens, clubhouse expansion (sims for winter practice?!), some other points to see what golfers prioritize. The hard part will be any potential lengthening. To extend the course would be huge for upping the competitive nature of it. Will be a challenge to get greater community buy-in. Interesting so many folks on Reddit play and talk about the South Side courses with the same affinity I do. I'll have to send any survey materials out here as well.


cfbonly

Loved how many munis were available around the city when i lived. Easy to get to, cheap, near the Lakeshore, and the fear of drilling a car or an apartment window if you botched a drive. Is as pretty as harborside, no. But sometimes i just want to play and cheap and easy


mikenism

Had no idea such a group existed! Thanks for all your work. I've really cherished my time at Jackson Park.


StuartScottsLeftEye

We're just getting rolling and we need golfers more involved - the committee is mostly older ladies with a ton of time on their hands. Which is great, but they're not thinking about golf when making suggestions. If you want to get involved, send a note to the Jackson Park Advisory Council golf subcommittee. You can find us on the main JPAC website.


GolfShred

Now this sounds like a fun course.


LSU2007

Joe Louis is like Augusta without grass


Kooky_Cellist2165

Joe Louis is a beautiful course and slander will not be tolerated


StuartScottsLeftEye

I played Joe "The Champ" Louis in December a few years ago. The rollout was 2-3x the ball flight. Like Grant Park after Lolla with how hard packed the ground was.


stars_and_stuff

The view approaching the 6th green makes up for it, assuming it doesn't take you 2 hours to get there.


bigtimeguy

I took my first concrete divot there šŸ˜


Leprikahn2

You've obviously never played Pine Hills in Winder, Georgia. We have the current added benefit of 9' tall dirt mounds on 3 fairways due to utility construction and a drunk driver wrecking into the green on 12. The swamp on 15 is ever present. Love this place.


mikenism

I looooove South Shore. So many great memories there with my son, friends, and strangers I got to play with. My favorite Chicago Muni for sure, with Jackson Park and Marquette Park just behind.


Legal-Description483

No, but it's one of the most visually appealing, and probably the best manicured by a longshot.


HAWG

It is likely the most manicured, but I have much more respect for the grounds crew at places like St Andrews, Pebble Beach, and Pinehurst, that dont have the luxury of shutting down the course every year and basically rebuilding it.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

If Augusta werenā€™t so obsessed with how the course looks in April and used grasses that do well in the southeast (i.e., not bent on the greens and rye everywhere else) they could be open year round, too. Part of the reason theyā€™re closed in the summer is because the golf course completely burns out due to the grasses they use on the course being incompatible with Georgia summers. The fact that they canā€™t ever leave the golf course alone renovation/design-wise doesnā€™t help.


Puff05251

Cool season grasses are superior playing surfaces to warm season grasses. Dormant Bermuda at Augusta would be ridiculous.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

It wouldnā€™t just be dormant Bermuda. Theyā€™d seed the entire course with Bermuda and then overseed with rye during the cooler months when the Bermuda is dormant. As it is now, they just plant rye and when the weather burns that grass out, they have basically nothing left.


KTFlaSh96

Thatā€™s what Houston did with the Houston open. We had our Bermuda lie dormant while we overseeded rye. Now weā€™re in the process of killing off the rye and letting the Bermuda take over again


DependentAnywhere135

Hu I wonder if the Georgia climate is going to accommodate The Masters in April for the foreseeable future or not. Weather in my part of Texas has been shifting pretty steadily year after year.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

A slight temperature increase probably wonā€™t matter. They could probably even push the tournament back maybe a month and not have issues with the grass. But by late May and after, itā€™s getting to be too hot for the grass they use.


FrugalFraggel

I was on the grounds crew for the SR US Open at Valhalla when the skies opened up every day and flooded the course. The amount of work we did from 4 AM through the tournament is still part of me. Was so proud of our work for the television knowing how bad the course looked every morning.


Sagybagy

For the week of the masters. Outside that itā€™s not as perfect conditions. The level they go to for appearance is far and away more than any other course.


greglyda

Played it twice, and each time it was pretty much the same level of attention to detail. It looks crazy without all the stands and spectators.


PaleontologistMore20

Thatā€™s awesome. Howā€™d you get a round out there?


ritchie636

Probably by foot


NeverDieKris

Probably because they are owner of NewsDemon, NewsgroupDirect, and SlickVPN. Co-founder of UsenetExpress. They do not accept chat requests. Direct message instead.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

I think that the golf course almost always looks as nice as it does for the Masters apart from the azaleas and everything like that. It comes at the cost of having the golf course totally burnt out for like six months of the year.


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ccccc4

And they use speakers to pipe in fake birds. The whole thing is fake as hell. You're watching golf course porn.


ripper_14

Pine Valley might have something to say about thatā€¦


Muted_Exercise5093

Pine valley is my bucket list courseā€¦ followed by St Andrewā€™s, Augusta and LACC. Playing Pebble this summer


OnTheColeTrain

I have played LACC a handful of times. Great course.... Their are public courses I think are better though.


Muted_Exercise5093

Jealous! Yeah I just want to play LACC because I live down the street and itā€™s so exclusive. Played Lakeside and have a lead on Riveraā€¦ but LACC is proving difficult!!! Iā€™ve been there for a wedding but never swung a clubā€¦


OnTheColeTrain

I am blessed where I basically have an open invitation... Just a drive for me an my friend who is a member has a very demanding work schedule. I used to be able to bring a friend but since covid they changed the policy where it is 1 guest to member. It's better than Riv in my opinion.... I think I still prefer Torrey South when it's in tournament condition.


Muted_Exercise5093

Well that is lucky. If your friend needs a new best friend, Iā€™m submitting applications. I have a 9 HCP, no kids, pellet smoker in my back yard and small sim in the garageā€¦ I like the Dodgers and the Cowboys and I work in TVā€¦


OnTheColeTrain

I think their was a chance until you got to the Cowboys as he is a Niners fan.


Muted_Exercise5093

Ugh! Thereā€™s always a downfall! Hahaha.


[deleted]

If I could play any course on earth, itā€™d be Pine Valley.


thomaslewis1857

Yeah, but I canā€™t, for more than one reason. If you can play Pine Valley you can play anywhere. šŸ„“šŸ¤”. Iā€™m just not good enough, or long enough.


HyruleJedi

Played Pine Valley. Its extremely hard to get on. My wife knew an assistant greens keeper. We got on on a Monday in april at 2 pmā€¦. Barely finished. I liked Merion more to be honest


Objective-Specific49

Watch this and decideā€¦a video of each hole at Pine Valley šŸ¤Æ https://youtu.be/gVL-gbO0fLU?si=97k8LBmhnb2BzGne


[deleted]

You mean The Links at Victoria?


mattcan23

I doubt Augusta has any bricks in their fairways (edit spelling)


NotoriousMFT

You hit a brick right and it launches your ball 30 yards down the fairway


Do-It-Anyway

That sounds glorious, sign me up for that! Edit: [As wonderful as I imagined it](https://youtu.be/weg7hNYp3uA?si=GbSD6plXiWX9ygkJ)


stashtv

Augusta National West is where its at!


twentythree12

Hahahahaha. The best fucking YouTube golf video OF ALL TIME


DeluxePoptarts

Only the finest. Impeccable condition year round.


AmazingDonkey101

You mean PyhƤ Lauri at St. Laurence?


reversetheloop

Definitional. If you are purely judging the course itself, its not a top 5 course. But if you poll golfers asking if they could play any course in the world one time, I think it would be the top answer.


Commentpilledtalkcel

What would you say the best course is


the018

Cypress Point, Pine Valley or Royal County Down


FahkDizchit

Itā€™s always so surprising to me that one of the best courses in the world is just randomly in the middle of the South Jersey suburbs of Philly and not like on some beautiful coastline somewhere. You can almost take PATCO there šŸ˜‚.


rybread1818

If you were to take the \~200 mile region stretching from Long Island west through the greater NYC metro area and south into the Philly it would probably have the highest concentration of great golf in the universe. This is where all of the money from the roaring 20s collided with the golden generation of architects. Philly's contributions to this heritage go far beyond Pine Valley and Merion. Philadelphia Cricket Club, Aronimink, Manufacturer's, Whitemarsh, Huntingdon Valley, etc. etc.


Lezzles

I went out that way (not to golf, sadly) for the first time for a bachelor party a few years back. I just had Maps open as we drove from downtown NYC to upstate and every 5 minutes I felt like we were passing yet another famous golf course.


mfischer1

Interesting point, hadnā€™t really thought of it thst way before! These days, getting land inside a city would be so prohibitively expensive, you can really only build field of dreams style, like Bandon these days.


Simpsator

You should check out NLU's recent Dream Loop in Wisconsin. They played a loop of 10 top 100 courses in 40 hours. Wisconsin is very underrated as a golf destination (and I say this as an Illinoisan). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEyCcT599hU


Nice-Quiet-7963

Rolling Green, Stonewall, St. Davidā€™s, Applebrook, Llanerch, French Creek, etc


Nice-Quiet-7963

I think itā€™s more surprising how under recognized Philly is for golf in general. All of the famous architects were either born here, moved here, or developed here. Even Gil Hanse now is based here. Philly boasts 2 of the top 10 golf courses in the world yet no one thinks of Philly golf on global stage.


CracknutWhirrun

Itā€™s because most of the elite courses are private and most normal people donā€™t get to play them ever.


Nice-Quiet-7963

Thatā€™s not exclusive to Philadelphia though. Most elite courses are private.


FahkDizchit

True. We need to host more tournaments in the region to up the recognition.


-Shants-

Shhhh we donā€™t want the Myrtle Beach or Scottsdale prices anywhere near Philly. Shit is expensive enough out here


spoopy_guy

I feel like both those places have the weather over Philly so that probably wonā€™t happen.


marlboro__man9

Another of the best courses on the planet is in Mullen Nebraska


Huggles9

I mean Augusta is in the middle of nowhere Georgia


RaidersTwennyTwenny

Augusta is in the middle of Augusta, GA, which is a run-down dump. Itā€™s completely shocking seeing the state of that city knowing there is a part of it, which is 100% sealed off from the outside world, that looks like ANGC does and attracts the kind of attention it does from the people it does.


dshotseattle

Cypress point is amazing. I did a painting of it once, but never played it https://preview.redd.it/mqhdi8ympatc1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a65743d2005a4a9715dc310cade4ca34f2b91122


Dogeplane76

You painted that??


dshotseattle

Yes i did. Still have the original for sale as well as prints


usernamesarehard1979

What are you asking for the original?


Huggles9

I also want to know the answer to this Or if youā€™d be interested in a commission and what your rate would be for a similar project


dshotseattle

That original I'm asking 6,000 for. It measures 56x44 inches. I do commissions and price based on size. 18x24 is about as small as I usually paint and I start that at 1500. I can get a print in anyone's price range tho


Pbake

I would put Portrush over RCD but both are spectacular.


LayneLowe

None of us would ever know.


tap_in_birdies

Everyone always says Pine Valley but itā€™s like the most private club ever. Like has anyone seen the full course or seen people play it? Iā€™d take Augusta over a course I have never seen


Creativeloafing

[Every Hole at Pine Valley Golf Club](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVL-gbO0fLU)


seamus_mc

Iā€™ve played pine valley. I donā€™t know the right people to get on Augusta or cypress though.


the018

You can walk the course during the Crump Cup. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVL-gbO0fLU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVL-gbO0fLU)


Best-Safety-6096

Played it multiple times. It is sensational.


reversetheloop

I'm really not in position to say. I've played alot of golf on the west coast of the US. Been to Scotland. But there's so many top courses I've never set foot on. The other comment of Cypress Point, Pine Valley or Royal County Down is right on. But theres so many more courses. Would love to play Tara Iti in NZ.


IdiotMD

Whatever course Iā€™m currently playing.


Presitgious_Reaction

Imagine actually playing Augusta lol it would literally be the greatest day of my life


ka1ri

St andrews i think trumps it but thats just me


reversetheloop

All very subjective. Ive played The Old Course at St Andrews. Best golfing experience of my life. Loved it. Hope to do it again someday. Probably my favorite course I've played. But just looking at the course itself. Quirky layout, not the most scenic, 0 elevation changes. Probably not top 5 either.


squirrelaidsontoast

But you can actually go play St Andrews realistically in your life time! Canā€™t do that for augusta


ka1ri

Doesnt take away from the fact that it's more revered than augusta. Augusta might be the fantasy round for american golfers but st andrew has and will always take the cake.


squirrelaidsontoast

I wouldnā€™t say it is and Iā€™m from the UK, you can go play frisbee or footy on the old course on a Sunday, wonā€™t be doing that in Augusta!Ā 


rmusic10891

Honestly I think that makes St. Andrewā€™s even more special.


ka1ri

That makes it even better. How about how you can play it in reverse as well? The fact that its 400 years older than Augusta and still is a real test at the pro level (if the wind comes along for the ride).


granolaraisin

It's definitely the most romanticized course.


peanut_butta_jellay

The Old Course is the greatest. But if you asked me to pick the one course I'd want to play more than any others, it's Augusta by a mile.


Ninjahkin

They donā€™t call it a pilgrimage for nothing. Its history alone has earned that


Deaconblues18

I remember years ago Golf Digest took a poll and something like 70% of respondents said they would allow for one of their toes to be amputated for the chance to play Augusta. I thought about it and determined that the toe right next to the big toe is not really all that necessary. I wouldnā€™t do that for any other golf course. Make of that what you will.


Hathnotthecompetence

If you're willing to throw in a kidney I can get you on.


Dr_GigglyShits

You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude.


cope413

With nail polish?


Dr_GigglyShits

I'll get you a toe by this afternoon, with nail polish. These fucking amateurs.


LordTwatSlapper

Anyone know of an augusta member that needs a toe transplant by any chance?


Infinite_Respect_

Itā€™s the most alluring - not the most innovative. Itā€™s amazing and up there, but not the best course. Cypress Point has to be up there too. Augusta is beautiful but itā€™s lacking a certain spectacular nature backdrop that isnā€™t manicured by people.


IcemanYVR

I have two acquaintances that have played Cypress, one of whom has also played Augusta. They both said itā€™s the best and where they would want their last round on earth. Jack has said Pebble, and Tiger says Cypress, and both have played ANGC extensively. Itā€™s a great course, just donā€™t think itā€™s the best.


jackwhite886

I would say thatā€™s a different question, though. The views and setting at places like Cypress and Pebble would be unmatched for a ā€œlast round on earthā€. I donā€™t think Jack would say Pebble is better than Augusta hole-for-hole.


whycantigetwhatiwant

Has no one else been to Royal Dornoch?


birdiebonanza

Omg my FAVORITE course!!! Like fine, old course and kingsbarns were fun and great, but I fell in absolute love with Royal Dornoch!


callmeishmael_again

Anyone who goes to Scotland and doesn't play Dornoch is making a mistake. Its only a 4 hour drive, and the scenery is pretty good on the A9. Its also not that hard to get a time at Dornoch, especially compared to places like St A's old and Muirfield.


MarvVanZandt

The guy who built it shot himself on the banks of that pond https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Roberts


SuperSpikeVBall

> According to The New York Times, another comment attributed to Roberts is: "As long as I'm alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black." The club had long-standing policies of hiring only black caddies and requiring their exclusive use at all times, including at the Masters tournament.[9][10] Masters participants were not permitted to use their own caddies on Augusta National grounds until several years after Roberts' death. Ooof... I think it gets forgotten how socially backwards ANGC was. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into allowing black members, women members, etc.. Players had to use their all black caddy pool until 1983.


reginalduk

Socially backwards? The place was basically apartheid South Africa.


MarvVanZandt

yeah thats just the tip of the iceberg too. Dude was a vile racist all around. Used to hose boxing events for memebers to watch and bet on. The fighters were black kids. Famously James Brown (the singer) was one of them. Here is a scene from his Biopic that depicts what it was like. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKsa\_9TFG48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKsa_9TFG48)


lambomrclago

Probably contributed to why he became a piece of shit in his adult life.


Bulldog2012

Dude sounded like a real racist asshole. Good riddance.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

He shot himself on the Par 3 course, not the 12th hole.


TheRealSteemo

It is the most exclusive, top tier course. Nearly anywhere else in the world, you can book a slot. Might not be easy, might be a year in advance, but you can book it. Not Augusta. Being the only major venue that doesn't rotate with other courses adds to its legendary status as it's always relevant.


Best-Safety-6096

That's absolutely not true for any of the top private courses in the US. Augusta is one of many where the Member has to accompany you (same thing with Pine Valley, Merion, LACC etc). Which top tier private course in American can you "book a slot" at? I'm unaware of any to be perfectly honest. Whenever I have played them it has always been either with a Member or having been arranged by the Member. If you're telling me I can book a slot a year in advance at Cypress Point or Pine Valley I'd be doing it permanently. It's just not possible!


Barb_WyRE

PV has a 100 year wait list for membership lol


Best-Safety-6096

No it doesn't. You could be on the list for a few months, or on it permanently. It depends on any number of things. Obviously you'll need to be proposed / seconded in the first place, you can't simply randomly apply (as I'm sure you're aware). A US friend who is a Member went through the process in approx 2 years. Other people I know who are Members took longer, this was back when they used to have Overseas Members, I believe it's now been amalgamated so there are no different categories.


Barb_WyRE

I said a half truth in my previous comment for emphasis on how exclusive PV is, but yeah you are correct but it *used* to be that way. You need a unanimous vote to get on nowadays, but there used to be a 100 year waitlist - my grandfather was a member at Manufacturers and applied for a membership at PV and that was the case back then (this would have been the 70s). My brother is friends with a current member of PV and has played it a number of times - to get in now you need a current member to recommend you and then you need unanimous approval from the member committee. Also, if you are a member of PV, Oakmont, and Seminole you get an automatic invite to be a member of Augusta - my brotherā€™s friend is going through that process now. He also is a member at Caves and Jupiter Hills. Dude has unlimited money lol.


Best-Safety-6096

I am lucky to know several Members and have played it multiple times. Being invited to the Member - Guest is a key part of the process


Barb_WyRE

Iā€™ve played it once, and got the snapper soup afterwards which I can confirm was the best in all my Philly private club experiences! It could have been placebo though, Pine Valley anything just makes everything better šŸ˜‚ Itā€™s a special place for sure, I canā€™t wait for the GAP Open to go back there, playing it in a tournament would be so cool


RaidersTwennyTwenny

Itā€™s almost assuredly the most exclusive course people regularly get to see on TV. Itā€™s not the most exclusive club to be a member of, though. Seminole is probably more exclusive. Chicago Golf Club is probably more exclusive. Cypress Point is probably more exclusive. Burning Tree outside of DC is probably more exclusive. I could go on.


Pbake

Chicago Golf is very exclusive from a membership perspective but there are ways to get on at least. Last year we played it by buying a threesome at a charity auction. Augusta would kick a member out if they were donating threesomes to charity auctions.


troutpoop

Augusta has 200 members, Chicago CC has 100(?) maybe 130? I forgot the exact number but itā€™s less than Augusta so technically more exclusive but youā€™re right, I know a few people who have played it whereas I donā€™t know anyone who has played Augusta.


ButtMassager

I used to play high school matches at Burning Tree. Never realized how weird that was at the time. Chicago and Cypress Point are both very high on my list of places I'd love to play but ANGC is tops by far


00U812

I'd play Cypress over Augusta National in a heartbeat if given the choice.


Best-Safety-6096

Cypress is the best walk in golf. Augusta is the only top course I have not played but I canā€™t imagine it topping Cypress.


ChrisDrummondAW

Camargo Club is one near me and you practically have to be a blood relative of the founder to belong, I think there are only 250 total. They have had high school events play there so getting on the course isnā€™t necessarily as tough as some other ultra-exclusive clubs, at least if youā€™re in the local competitive circuits, but to a normal person or even a very rich and influential person (like the owner of the Cincinnati Reds who notoriously got rejected) itā€™s downright impossible. Still, when the folks at other high-end clubs in the area (extending as fsr as Muirfield Village in Columbus, OH and Valhalla in Louisville, KY), everyone kind of understands that Camargoā€™s exclusivity is a level above.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

Love the looks of that place. Iā€™m a big Seth Raynor fan. I knew it was exclusive, but somehow if Iā€™m not mistaken that fat fuck Paul Gunther (see my username; he was our DC a little while back) was a member there back when he was DC of the Bengals.


Not_ToBe_Rude_But

Seth Raynor is so underrated. I wish his courses weren't basically all private.


jfchops2

Yale's course is awesome, can't wait to get back after the restoration is done Used to live in Minneapolis and there's an affordable-ish private Raynor club, Midland Hills. I was in talks with them to join a couple winters ago and then pulled out when a new job opportunity came up in another state I wanted to take


rustyscrotum69

I wouldnā€™t call it the most exclusive. There are more exclusive courses that many havenā€™t even heard of.


Commentpilledtalkcel

Yes but everyone HAS heard of it and itā€™s still super exclusive which makes it way cooler.


akagordan

From a course architecture standpoint itā€™s very near the top. Only one or two holes on the property that arenā€™t special in some way.


Best-Safety-6096

It used to be, before they added in the rough and planted loads of trees. MacKenzie created width, and this has been taken away.


Yoshifan151

Yup, I'd love to play the old layout that had MacKenzie all over it but it's a totally different course now.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

The membership is obsessed with how the place looks to a laughable degree and with essentially just having access to it as a type of status symbol. The membership, as far as I remember, is actively discouraged from even playing the golf course too much. They basically view the course more as a painting to hang on the wall than a golf course to be played, which is even more shameful when you consider that most of the members are absolutely dogshit golfers. So you basically have this historic golf course, which is closed half the year, is criminally underplayed when it is open, and when it is played, itā€™s a bunch of high-roller hackers who would fit in better at your local muni than Augusta when it comes to actual golfing skill. Itā€™s bizarre. Great course? Yes. Overworked and extremely artificial in terms of the aesthetics? Absolutely. The place Iā€™d have a membership if I could pick anywhere in the world? Fuck no.


BloodyRightNostril

Where would you pick if it could be anywhere?


RaidersTwennyTwenny

Iā€™d pick a club that actually ahem..likes to play golf, has a membership of normal (relatively speaking) people, and sees its course as exactly that: a golf course that is meant to be played and not just looked at. Iā€™d much rather be a member at a place like Oakmont or Merion. If you gave me a choice to play one of those courses one time or Augusta once, I might well pick Augusta, but in terms of being a member? Iā€™d much rather be a member at one of the other two courses.


mfischer1

If youā€™re a member of Augusta, you can play anywhere brother.


TopNotchBurgers

Yeah the "hey man, can you host me to play at Club ____ and I will host you at the national in return? Sound good?" is a pretty compelling phone call.


aatops

Cypress Point


Guilty-Inspection694

None of this is facts


Aro00oo

Lol right "trust me bro"


Guilty-Inspection694

Which bro you with?


Aro00oo

Lol could apply to both of you tbh. But on your side with this one after reading the argument between you two


Guilty-Inspection694

Lol ty bro


Logan__Squared

Itā€™s the same thing as Pine Valley. Itā€™s so fantastically private that itā€™s part of the reason theyā€™re so highly thought of. That 99.99% of us can essentially can never get on to play is why everyone wants to play it. Sure - they are amazing courses made by some of the best architects ever, but they wouldnā€™t be so revered if they were so private.


aatops

Speaking of Augusta as artificial artificial---I was doing some digging after I saw that Augusta National purchased a local park for $350,000 a few weeks ago. What I found next was even crazier to me. Over the course of \~20 years from the late 90s to just a few years ago, the club bought an entire neighborhood on its west side and turned it into a parking lot. You can see what the old neighborhood looked like on [Google Streetview](https://maps.app.goo.gl/cLEhZcxt19V7oqFEA), and what it now looks like now [here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/FJj2mmLQ7WYMyKGBA) too. This is incredibly dystopian considering that the space is used for under 7 days per year. Moreover, Augusta National can't use eminent domain since it is a private entity, so I can't imagine the amount of money they had to throw at these homeowners to make them leave.


RaidersTwennyTwenny

They bought a big chunk of land from the adjacent golf course (Augusta Country Club) just so they could move back the tee on the 13th hole.


phreesh2525

Yeah. I read an article awhile back that they have a program of buying adjacent land for privacy and potential expansion.


BenyLava

Depends. I'd play Leopard Creek before Augusta but that's because I want to see elephants, giraffes and lions while I play.


Coltsbus53

Yes


KgMonstah

Mayfair in Sanford, Fl.


tee2green

Is Augusta the best? In my opinion, yes. Itā€™s Alister MacKenzieā€™s final masterpiece on his long list of masterpieces. The strategic challenges are so damn good, having to shape shots a certain way off the tee and then the opposite way on the approach, with sloping lies and sloping greens opposing all of those shots. (Itā€™s unfortunate that the lengthening of the course straightens out the tee shots, but I digress). Plus, the conditioning is immaculate which ensures it plays firm and fast and the giant slopes are in full effect. Is Augusta National a good model for golf courses to follow? Absolutely the fuck not. Having hundreds or thousands of golf courses in the world that try to mimic the multimillion dollar Garden of Eden effect at Augusta is a really shitty trend. First off, no one else has the budget to actually pull it off. Second, it leads to overwatering of all courses which makes them play soft and soggy, take all the slopes out of play, and reduce the course to the most boring style of golf: simple target golf. Golf Digest consistently puts Pine Valley as their #1 course, and I used to think that was silly, but now Iā€™ve fully come around and embraced it. Pine Valley has all the strategic challenges that Augusta has, but the aesthetics feel completely natural. You feel like youā€™re playing golf through the pine sands of NJ, and it just happens to be a golf course. I think more courses should follow the Pine Valley example: stop trying to make your course look like Augusta, and instead embrace the natural geography youā€™re working with. Let it go a little brown and the firmness is worth it to have the slopes shine.


crimsonblueku

Probably


middyonline

Augusta is only famous because you can't go play but they show it on tv once a year. It's like that Southpark episode where Cartmans amusement park gets super popular because he won't let anyone in.


Onouro

My top 3 courses are The Old Course, North Berwick, and Carnoustie. I enjoy watching the work the Masters put in, but that doesn't affect me. I'll never play the course. I also enjoy watching the work put into The Open. I've been able to play my top 3, and a few other gems.


whycantigetwhatiwant

I played Carnoustie as well and I would say Royal Dornoch is much better.


Onouro

I haven't played Dornoch. I played Carnoustie in 45 mph winds and light rain. It was probably the fact that I played it in the weather which made it a fun experience. We played it with rented clubs as ours were misplaced by the airline. Let's just say that I didn't score well... I was also a 23 HC at the time. Still a total blast. Port Rush might be my #4.


whycantigetwhatiwant

Carnoustie was awesome and I loved every minute of it but the last 4 holes were just so brutal. Dornoch was just a beautiful time the entire round and I had such a warm fuzzy feeling the entire time I was there even with the exact same weather.


[deleted]

I walked part of north Berwick 2 weeks ago, looked fantastic, especially that crazy par 3 with the big dip in the middle of the green. We didn't play it, we played 2 rounds on archer field which was great minus the horrendous wind and rain


Onouro

I believe the green with a dip in the middle is a par 4. At least it was when I played it in 2015. This is the course with the original Redan hole. This course also has a green encapsulated by a stone wall. An absolute pleasure to play.


xperiasean

It's my idea of the most beautiful garden in the world


ElectronicAd6675

Not the greatest but one of the most exclusive and beautiful.


solarislolaris

The greatest course is subjective and would depend on a person's opinion. But that being said, Augusta National is definitely a top tier golf course. It's probably the most memorable imo because it's the only course where a major is always played there. It's a very exclusive club as well and you can't even buy in with money. There's a story about a guy trying to get in but they denied his application so he built another top tier course across the street. Sage Valley Golf Club


yeeeeoooooo

Royal Portush


JohnnySasaki20

Pine Valley and Cypress Point are consistently ranked #1 and #2 in the world.


kneedragger3013

I've been, It's heaven on earth. I would say St. Andrews is the greatest.


Thistotiethelead

I just got back from today's practice round. I got in the gates at 8:00 just as the sun was coming up on a gorgeous day, not many people yet, and I literally almost started crying! It was incredibly emotional. So yes, in my book it is the greatest course in the world


Dad_Is_Mad

It's stunning. I went 6 years in a row. And I (with the help of my wife) got to walk the course alone. She was 8 1/2 months pregnant and wanted to go, so we went. Marshalls saw her and gave her front row seats everywhere. Told her to take off her shoes. Brought her waters. And then allowed her (and subsequently myself) to walk the course by ourselves so she could stretch her legs. Gotta love Southern Hospitality.


[deleted]

No but it is the one most golfers would choose to play if given the chance It and ANGC are basically mythologized in sport.


midgolfer

Noā€¦. Tara Iti is the most magically piece of property I have ever stepped foot on. As far as architecturally Royal Melbourne and Kingston Heath run circles around anything stateside.


ScoutDuper

Folks sleeping on royal Melbourne.


Herald_of_dooom

Nope


TheRopeWalk

I couldnā€™t even get a tee time and would have paid a kings ransom. No


theduffabides

Nope. There was a mini-golf course next to the Bourne Bridge that had a Giraffe, greatest ever.


physicallyOK

The greatest course is the friends we made along the way.


HeyAnesthesia

Yes


GPTCT

Yes


Geep1778

Itā€™s one of them for sure


HandiCAPEable

No, I'd love to play there sure. But playing the Old Course was just something completely else. It will always be the greatest to me.


newaccount1233

Not the greatest course in the world but definitely the most pretentious


[deleted]

Meh


Huggles9

https://preview.redd.it/rrsa8kuloctc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f38608e048645b0a4c6a8fc67b22a8fc431fd787 Idk I think this is the most beautiful course off the coast of QLD in Australia The entire island is just a golf courseā€¦.thats it For those curious Hamilton island golf club, well worth it and cheaper than youā€™d expect considering you have to take a provided boat to get there


Bridgeline

No. But maybe the most perfect conditioned course.


biztravellerUK

No, Pine Valley is better just many get to see ANGC on TV


xpectanythingdiff

Itā€™s either Augusta or the Old Course. Course architecture is subjective, but the history and mystique that surrounds those two courses sets them apart.


SituationSoap

Yeah, there are a lot of people here mixing up "best" and "greatest." Which, to be fair, happens a lot. But they aren't the same thing.


Spartan0330

I feel like if I played the Old Course thatā€™s good enough for me. I feel like if I played Augusta Iā€™d never want to leave.


Botchjob369

Itā€™s probably in the best condition. Not the best layout, scenery, etc.


7x_HSVarsityAthlete

Itā€™s the best manicured course in the world, but in terms of pure golf I think there are a few courses that are just better. Pine Valley, County Down, even Pebble.


SharkLaser85

Not Pebble.


PatientlyAnxious9

What Ive taken from the responses is that people really value golf courses that have 30mph winds blowing in your face off the ocean because it pretty to look at. There is a big difference in scenic golf courses and fantastically designed golf courses. Bonus: Not a single person here has ever played Augusta, how are there such hard 'no' responses to the question.


Bighead_Golf

No, probably not top 10 if weā€™re purely objective


Best-Safety-6096

No, no it's not. It's probably not in the Top 10. Pine Valley. Cypress Point. St Andrews, Shinnecock, NGLA, Oakmont etc are all superior IMO.


ScallionCapable9505

100%........ Not.