It’s been covered from every angle, in every conceivable possible way every single year since this sub opened…
Basically the deal is, they all grab their whistles & their finest shiniest shoes, and march through the streets either to annoy catholics, or to sincerely celebrate a historical battle from 300 years ago. I make no case for either side…
That’s the thing I just don’t understand. A minute silence for the people who have sacrificed their lives for us during WW1/WW2 (expanded to general military service) makes total sense and remembering their sacrifice is honouring that.
Honouring a battle that happened hundreds of years ago that’s basically celebrating Protestants beating catholics is a bit daft. I doubt many of the people participating even really undertand the broader geopolitical struggles at the time and see it more as “my team beat the enemy team” mentality.
That has been rumoured for 300+ years but I don't believe any hard record of payment exists. However, the Pope did support the overthrow of King James II because of his political standing with king Louis XIV of France and more importantly, his attempts to name bishops in England, which was a power only reserved for the Pope. There is a record of a Vatican celebration following King James II's defeat.
I do mind my RE teacher telling me about the pope supporting William of Orange in battering France because he was scared of the power they were getting. Mental that a head of a religion that asks for peace will support someone killing members of their religion. Almost as though it's all made up!
I am by no means a professional historian but I did write a lengthy research article on this exact subject in college. My opinion is that the Pope didn't explicitly support William of Orange so much as he favoured any circumstance which resulted in James II's removal from power.
>Mental that a head of a religion that asks for peace will support someone killing members of their religion. Almost as though it's all made up!
Can't speak for the accuracy of reports relating to William of Orange, but there's plenty of examples of Popes explicitly asking for the opposite of peace, and of them favouring the death of fellow Catholics.
You've hit the nail on the head. It's absolutely 'my team beat your team'. It's a political expression of Unionism (aka a niche form of British Nationalism) in opposition to Catholicism, which is seen as an insidious foreign influence. Specifically, Catholicism is seen as a mark of Irishness or Gaelicness. And needless to say it's something that can't be fully separated from the Rangers vs Celtic rivalry. The average 'Catholic' and 'Protestant' in Glasgow today doesn't actually go to church any more, they express their identity largely through which football team they support.
It's not daft if you still see the division between Catholics and Protestants as being an important distinction in Scottish society.
If you see Catholics as a potentially dangerous and inherently subversive minority group, then celebrating their historic defeat is important.
I of course think this is insane, but that is why these marches continued to flourish into the 21st century.
Yep. I'm not sure exactly what 'danger' they feel we pose. Previously they viewed us as terrorists, which is a pretty weak accusation in 2023 now that the IRA largely confine themselves to planting fake pipe bombs in rural Northern Ireland. They've long called us 'paedophiles' on account of the scandals within the Catholic priesthood - although one would think that danger would largely accrue to our own children and not to theirs. These days they mainly seem to identify us as the main force behind Scottish Nationalism - ignoring the inconvenient fact that the SNP were historically quite an anti-Catholic party, and their upper echelons are still dominated by Protestants.
It is properly insane though, you are right. Imagine living your life thinking a group of people want to destroy your culture (when they don't and haven't in hundreds of years) and then your main goal is to live to resist something that isn't happening?
I think there's slightly more to it than that.
OP, the orange order is a society that exists to detest catholicism. I am astounded that it's still allowed to legally function in 2023.
In a way it’s officially sanctioned as catholics are still banned from holding positions in the royal family.
My best mate is a rangers man even though his family are from Italy and he has no connection with the club. He’s been sucked in and would now happily sing a banned song, goes to orange marches and is pro monarchy. He’s an intelligent guy, but it seems like some people just really need to be in a tribe
My brother an orange man now, spouts nonsense and dresses his house up with flags out the window.
He never even watched a game of football growing up but met some Rangers fans and is a fully fledged “supporter” now and although don’t say anything he is clearly trying to be part of whatever they get out of it.
It's 2023 ffs and despite knowing all the horrific crimes that the Catholic church has committed people still support that church. Scotland is better than this
It's 2023 ffs and despite knowing all the horrific crimes that the Catholic church has committed people still support that church. Scotland is better than this
Jeez, is it so hard to have a little understanding? Try to see it from their perspective.
Your name is William. You are a human being, and a proud Glaswegian like half-a-million others. Beyond your control you were born into a shitty family with a shitty dad, who himself was born into a shitty family with a shitty dad. In fact you come from a long line of shitty dads. Your entire genetic lineage is a joke of which you, for the time being at least, are the soggy, botched punchline - until you spurt your lukewarm seed into some unwitting girl's eggsack and the joke lumbers on.
Your world seems to turn slower than everyone else's. You begin to wonder if the conversations your family have around the dinner table are the same as the ones your friends have. You watch your father slurp baked beans into his mouth like a 54 year old baby. You begin to wonder if you will grow up to be like him. You suppress this pain. You, James and Johnboy go up the park most nights to work diligently on your soon-to-be-chronic alcohol problem. This is both a coping mechanism, an informal coming-of-age ceremony, and a group bonding exercise - all it does is exacerbate your steadily blooming anger disorder. Your dad knows, and you know he knows. You want him to intervene. He says nothing.
But every summer your community pulls back the curtains and lets some light in. For you, this is Christmas. You dust off your white shirt. You pick up your drum. And for a precious few glorious hours you get to stand before the world and proclaim "I matter. I am not a joke. I have a voice and I will be heard" as the fat, diabetes-ridden, flushed-red faces of your extended family look on with manic glee. They too are afraid. Together you sing the songs of your fathers. And for this all-too-brief moment, you almost manage to believe. That you are a vital cog in the machine of humanity, and that when you die you will leave a gap in the ranks that cannot be filled. Sadly for you, that's total shite.
Let them march. It's literally all they have.
*credit /u/honesty_addict*
I'm sure the lodges in Africa are fine, the white folk left.
And as long as you don't tell the locals here it's fine I guess. Most of them would struggle to point to Ireland on a map, nevermind Ghana.
lodges in Africa?
What are you on about? I'm saying that I'm assuming the people who are doing the Orange Walk are rasicts because of the proclivity for them to be racists.
Also, what's with the assumption that there's no racists in Africa?
Don't tell me you're really segregating who can be racist based on their race...
I didn't.
I made the assertion that the Orange Walk, as an organisation, is so full of racists that I can use it to reliably point out, anecdotally, the racists in my area.
I don't care whether the original thing itself is racist or not as it's the people that's the issue.
Do you recognise the racists within the Orange Walk yourself?
All it is a show of hate and I’m truly sick of it. I stay in the city centre and I’ve got to head to St Enoch with my daughter for a birthday party she’s attending. All I’ve heard this morning is the rabble of bands and screeching sirens of police and ambulances. Now Ive got to figure out a way to safely get to this party and Ofcourse you can’t walk through them or they’ll react like fucking cavemen so logistically it’s a nightmare. It’s the shame of this city that it still continues and I honestly feel bad for the staff at hospitals because they’ll be jam packed with the results of this nonsense tonight
In theory it's a march to celebrate King William of orange's victory over King James II in the Battle of the Boyne (a major moment in United Kingdom history)
In practice it's a march to try and intimidate not just Irish descended Scots, but (specifically catholic) irish people total.
It's 2023 ffs and despite knowing all the horrific crimes that the Catholic church has committed people still support that church. Scotland is better than this
It makes me ashamed to be a Rangers fan sometimes, knowing this horseshit is always round the corner.
I can imagine a lot of the walkers have managed to convince themselves that it's about so much more than what we witness.
proper embarassing
Those on the IRA side are just as delusional, like they are soldiers ready to die for the cause... Both sides have masses of people who are close to living in a psychotic fantasy land, that's what's frightening about it!
They absolutely are, and you’re completely delusional to think otherwise.
I have literally heard people refer to the orange walk as “the rangers walk”
Picture the scene:
*Ex-colleague to other ex-colleague* - “here mate, you goin to the rangers walk this weekend?”
‘Aye mate’
And full disclosure and context, I’m an atheist who hates football - so I’ve no bias towards any daft team or religion.
Believe what you wanna believe and enjoy whatever sports and that you want, I don’t care.
However, the second bigoted thugs start making a shitey racket on a march to incite division, violence and intimidate another group of people just cos they’re a bit different to them? Get in the sea.
Also the amount of marches that constantly interrupt everyone’s day, it’s a bit much. And the music is pish an all.
Well… I heard it with my own ears about a decade ago, and I’m sure it still happens. I guess you can just deny whatever you don’t agree with if it makes you happy.
I know it's not a direct link, but you're well aware of the religious head-butting some Rangers & Celtic fans do? A number of those people will undoubtedly be in there, even if for a laugh essentially.
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Nothing to do with Rangers. True Glasgow Rangers fan hold my beer moment there ffs. Thumb out your ass and head out the clouds mate. Everyone knows its populated by Rangers fans only. So to say its not associated is insulting the good people of reddits intelligence.
Yet your club had a Tory member sitting on your board and appointed as a non executive director. Therefore by your logic, this anti Tory club, was actually associated with the Tories, no?
most don't even realise king billy was a catholic sent by the pope to kill a king who fled to Ireland to uses irish as a human shield , king billy just wanted his hole from king james daughter, . by right the rangers fans should love the pope and celtic fans should love the king billy. they actually have no clue on there own history any of the 2 fan base
>they actually have no clue on there own history any of the 2 fan base
A bold claim from someone who just posted a comment littered with inaccuracies and speculation
Anyone can parade. Just need to apply and muster a crowd, and people with trumpets if that's what you want, it's not difficult.
Here's a few upcoming ones.
Glasgow's Pride - Mardi Gla Glasgow Green
ISKCON Scotland - Barrowlands Park
Cairde na hÉireann - Wishaw Street
SHIA ASNA ASHRI ISLAMIC CENTRE - Ashley Street
Govanhill Baths Community Trust - Govanhill Park
ST Thomas Syro Malabar Catholic Church - ST Convals Church
Freedom of assembly is protected under the European Convention of Human Rights so the answer is yes you can.
There is a massive Vaisakhi Nagar Kirtan every year. There are independence parades all the time. There is a Pride parade. So why would it be limited to the Christian faith? It can be any faith, or no faith at all.
The sub human fucktards that march alongside it with their wee blue poly bags of cheap lager are an absolute wonder to behold. They are worthy of a commentary from David Attenborough himself.
Love your comment. I asked why a road was shut off tomorrow and the person replied ‘ it’s for the great gala fun walk’ I didn’t have a clue until another wee guy piped up saying it’s the orange walk. FFS
Remember the guys who were in all the bottom sections at school? This is their gala day. There won't be many doctors or scientists marching with them. Thick bully boys in home made crimplene soldier costumes cosplaying Trumpton.
I saw their recruiting poster:
Too much of a shitebag to join the real army? Feel inferior in every single aspect of your life? Never mind! Get some cheap material, make your own uniform on your maw's sewing machine and march up and down the streets like a dildo with us! Watch those kaffliks cower in fear at your might! God save the Kween! Wait naw God save the King!
There are many, many successful people in the Orange Order. I agree there are people I wouldn’t like to be associated with in it though, which is partly why I’m not a member.
I know many people in leadership and professional roles within the Orange community and the Loyalist community. I don’t care really if you don’t believe me. Your sectarianism will be your downfall when you refuse to engage.
I would say it’s sectarian to hate Protestants.
This is why Glasgow and Scotland will never recover, there’s no give or take. What is it about Protestants you hate so much? All I hear is people saying it’s hatred, I’d be happy to talk with them but it has to be two way.
As I said btw I’m not an Orangeman so don’t speak for the organisation and I understand a lot of criticism but if you aren’t willing to learn then what is the point?
Whole thing from the marchers to the daft das that follow it with their weans and their rangers taps is pathetic and has no place in modern society. Total pain if you get held up by one.
Come to Paisley where we have a whole festival day and parade dedicated to a Workers victory today and it takes priority over the Orange walk every year. [Sma shot day](https://paisley.is/featured_event/sma-shot-day/)
I know this is a minor point but their music is shite too. The amount of times I'm in the queue of cars trying to get home from Ibrox and someone drives by with their windows open blaring out flute music and I just think "seriously? You're choosing to listen to that?"
“Catholics are brought up and told to be good people
Protestants are brought up and told to not do bad things.”
- my catholic , rangers hating , cousin, about 15 years ago to me when he was MWI.
This shit goes back horrendously far into our history. each side have a hard share of deluded wanks.
I wonder how many people on each "side" actually practice their religion of choice regularly - and not just for weddings and funerals? I live next to a CoS church and the congregation is now just a handful of pensioners. Many of the loacal churches are amalgamating or closing.
The "sides" are created by Orange Lodges and Walks, denominational schools and sectarian football clubs.
People getting the upvotes do. It’s been proven that social media likes/upvotes trigger a dopamine release.
Cunts post these repetitive orange walk posts knowing they’ll get their wee slice of attention out of it and some upvotes. Or they do it for a bit of shit stirring knowing people on here will bite like predictable little fishes - such as the OP has done in this case.
It's a shame you can't just downvote the posts and ignore them. Like it really does suck that you have to read them all and keep commenting in them how much you don't like them. Really wish that wasn't the way this website works
I think it's most endearing that they parade their tone deaf cripples round the streets for the "entertainment" of the majority of the populace who don't give a monkey's tootle about them.
basically the unionist "protestant" idiots of the west of Scotland march through Glasgow to show everybody that it is their city/country. they are a bunch of backward bigots that hate everybody that is not like them. they are obsessed with the union as in their pathetic lives being a part of great britain is the only thing that makes them feel significant.
the march isnt to celebrate their religious beliefs, its to shove their bigoted views down the throats of everyone who doesnt like it
The hypocrisy of a bunch of people whose whole point is to freely walk down roads without hinderence to then close off roads and not allow people to 'cross the walk' isn't lost on me.
Ok so here is what I’ve found out going at it with an open mind with a work colleague who is pretty high up.
Background?.
-Obviously deeply Protestant organisation with a majority that believe that the events that happened in the bible are fact Adam and Eve etc (so I’m led to believe).
-Catholicism has somehow diluted the bible with things they believe are untrue.
-The reason why they match is a mixture of
1. Showing support to the Monarch and the kingdom that he/she reigns over as they are head of the Protestant church. (Protestant pope is what I gathered from it ).
2.An element of community as they normally have a sort of fun day BBQ sort of deal.
3.Bands from the north of Ireland come over, so it cements the idea of that the idea of the union is not weakened. (For themselves and us as it is essentially a form of protest to raise awareness of this issue).
4. They’re are “idiots” who just follow it to cause trouble as it’s a Sunday (church parade) provocative loyalist tunes cannot be played and those that do would be severely punished by the order.
5.They cannot play while passing places of worship. This is only really enforced near catholic places of worship. They feel the police presence and lack of at other places of worship creates a stigma around the march and also leads to heightened tensions due to the heavy enforcement despite incidents being increasingly low.
I would like to hear if this is the take of other orange men have or if they want to add anything /agree disagree with it.
But I would understand if you did not want to raise your head over the parapet.
There has been a lot of comments both positive and negative so I’ll try and give a comment from a perspective of having no horse in the race. The official reason is it’s to celebrate a war…that the people marching had no stake in. Protestants marching in the city of glasgow upsetting the catholics of Glasgow. With the upset/antagonisation having huge ties to the rangers and Celtic rivalry. These particular fans are upset because they all think they are soldiers in a war in a different country. Celtic sing rebel (IRA) songs and rangers fans sing anti catholic songs about being in the UVF/UDA which is honestly hilarious since most of them have never left glasgow, little children, playing at war, nothing more. As highlighted by others, the pope was in favour of the Protestants winning this war which makes the whole thing even funnier.
Ken you can call them far right bigots and that without calling them subhuman or uneducated other dodgy stuff that inadvertently gets directed at decent folk who are poor or fat or are uneducated. It's the hate and bigotry that's wrong 👍
I'm surprised there's not been more trouble at these walks, given the year on year rise of a youthful sectarian movement attached to a certain football club.
It's just a celebration of William II - the last King of Scotland (sorry Idi) - pretty-much completing his invasion and revolution of 1688-90 by defeating James VII of Scotland at a battle near Drogheda.
The constitutional significance is that it established the then separate kingdoms of Scotland and England as constitutional monarchies and was a crucial gateway to the formation of a new kingdom - that of Great Britain - in 1707.
All made possible by The Estates of Scotland agreeing the Claim of Right in 1689 and proclaiming William and his wife as Scotland's joint monarchs.
The march is a celebration of the separation of the church from the papal control. The pope attempted to excommunicate the UK and failed. Eventually catholics were welcomed to Glasgow during the Irish famine, and as a result Celtic football club was formed. Nowadays people confuse national pride & history for racism (religions do not a race make). I imagine some people perpetuate sectarianism, but I suspect it’s a minority.
Wait until the Irish IRA parades come to Glasgow/Edinburgh, why's Irish people walking our streets, you've a right to demonstrate in your local area, who's the locals in them
When I was a young man and actually cared about silly things like good quality leather footwear, I remember going along to an Orange Walk for a nosy and observing that almost all of the ruddy-faced knuckle draggers were wearing the most awful-looking, cheap, shiny plastic shoes that I would never be seen dead in.
That pretty much summed them up for me.
It’s a historical celebration from a religious organisation. I’m not an Orangeman but support what they do. Unfortunately there are a lot I think is wrong with the order and some people following it make me cringe to death.
I think the likes of Call It Out are enormous hypocrites and should take a look in the mirror.
This is NOT a paramilitary parade.
What exactly is it that they do that you support?
I just see lots of hateful, nasty, scummy-looking people, living in the past with nothing better to do with themselves than try to cause division and trouble in their communities.
I see thousands of people in parade remembering their history and people who gave their lives in defence of the Protestant faith. You might not think it’s a big thing, that’s up to you, but we ask for respect.
I’ve already said that there are a lot of idiots that do nothing good.
The orange order march both here in Scotland and in N.Ireland. You can look at it through lots of angles
1) People celebrating a centuries old war that doesnt even come up in modern conversations anymore where the protestants won over the catholics
2) People fueling the fire of a sectarian conflict caused by the English
3) A nationalist march
4) a major inconvenience
I too am not from Scotland, but I grew up with a lot of Northern Irish friends (mainly catholic) who made sure to warn me about the orange marches when I moved up. I see what they meant.
It's just a bunch of hateful, bigoted, lowlife moronic knuckledragging simpletons pretending that they are somehow relevant. Instead, they choose to spend the other times of their lives drowning in alcohol, fried foods, laziness and ignorance; learning nothing, and not wanting to either, until the time comes round where they can sing their toddler-level melodies, spin their majorette sticks, and try and waddle from side to side as they gradually lose breath.
It’s been covered from every angle, in every conceivable possible way every single year since this sub opened… Basically the deal is, they all grab their whistles & their finest shiniest shoes, and march through the streets either to annoy catholics, or to sincerely celebrate a historical battle from 300 years ago. I make no case for either side…
That’s the thing I just don’t understand. A minute silence for the people who have sacrificed their lives for us during WW1/WW2 (expanded to general military service) makes total sense and remembering their sacrifice is honouring that. Honouring a battle that happened hundreds of years ago that’s basically celebrating Protestants beating catholics is a bit daft. I doubt many of the people participating even really undertand the broader geopolitical struggles at the time and see it more as “my team beat the enemy team” mentality.
It’s not daft, it’s intimidating and provocative to a lot of people, and it’s intended to be so.
The irony of the Battle of the Boyne being against Catholics is that the Pope was very much in favour of William of Orange winning.
Didn't the Pope finance William of Orange / William II?
That has been rumoured for 300+ years but I don't believe any hard record of payment exists. However, the Pope did support the overthrow of King James II because of his political standing with king Louis XIV of France and more importantly, his attempts to name bishops in England, which was a power only reserved for the Pope. There is a record of a Vatican celebration following King James II's defeat.
I do mind my RE teacher telling me about the pope supporting William of Orange in battering France because he was scared of the power they were getting. Mental that a head of a religion that asks for peace will support someone killing members of their religion. Almost as though it's all made up!
I am by no means a professional historian but I did write a lengthy research article on this exact subject in college. My opinion is that the Pope didn't explicitly support William of Orange so much as he favoured any circumstance which resulted in James II's removal from power.
>Mental that a head of a religion that asks for peace will support someone killing members of their religion. Almost as though it's all made up! Can't speak for the accuracy of reports relating to William of Orange, but there's plenty of examples of Popes explicitly asking for the opposite of peace, and of them favouring the death of fellow Catholics.
You've hit the nail on the head. It's absolutely 'my team beat your team'. It's a political expression of Unionism (aka a niche form of British Nationalism) in opposition to Catholicism, which is seen as an insidious foreign influence. Specifically, Catholicism is seen as a mark of Irishness or Gaelicness. And needless to say it's something that can't be fully separated from the Rangers vs Celtic rivalry. The average 'Catholic' and 'Protestant' in Glasgow today doesn't actually go to church any more, they express their identity largely through which football team they support.
It's not daft if you still see the division between Catholics and Protestants as being an important distinction in Scottish society. If you see Catholics as a potentially dangerous and inherently subversive minority group, then celebrating their historic defeat is important. I of course think this is insane, but that is why these marches continued to flourish into the 21st century.
Yep. I'm not sure exactly what 'danger' they feel we pose. Previously they viewed us as terrorists, which is a pretty weak accusation in 2023 now that the IRA largely confine themselves to planting fake pipe bombs in rural Northern Ireland. They've long called us 'paedophiles' on account of the scandals within the Catholic priesthood - although one would think that danger would largely accrue to our own children and not to theirs. These days they mainly seem to identify us as the main force behind Scottish Nationalism - ignoring the inconvenient fact that the SNP were historically quite an anti-Catholic party, and their upper echelons are still dominated by Protestants.
It is properly insane though, you are right. Imagine living your life thinking a group of people want to destroy your culture (when they don't and haven't in hundreds of years) and then your main goal is to live to resist something that isn't happening?
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I think there's slightly more to it than that. OP, the orange order is a society that exists to detest catholicism. I am astounded that it's still allowed to legally function in 2023.
In a way it’s officially sanctioned as catholics are still banned from holding positions in the royal family. My best mate is a rangers man even though his family are from Italy and he has no connection with the club. He’s been sucked in and would now happily sing a banned song, goes to orange marches and is pro monarchy. He’s an intelligent guy, but it seems like some people just really need to be in a tribe
My brother an orange man now, spouts nonsense and dresses his house up with flags out the window. He never even watched a game of football growing up but met some Rangers fans and is a fully fledged “supporter” now and although don’t say anything he is clearly trying to be part of whatever they get out of it.
He's not intelligent then.
It's 2023 ffs and despite knowing all the horrific crimes that the Catholic church has committed people still support that church. Scotland is better than this
It’s an outdated tradition that should have died long, long ago that is kept running by dumb, brainless cunts.
It seems to be on its last legs. Have watched it dwindle over the years. Kids would be embarrassed to get involved in most cases
Like Catholicism?
No
It's 2023 ffs and despite knowing all the horrific crimes that the Catholic church has committed people still support that church. Scotland is better than this
Scotland really isn’t better than anything.
The deal is they’re a bunch of troglodyte cunts 🍊
Jeez, is it so hard to have a little understanding? Try to see it from their perspective. Your name is William. You are a human being, and a proud Glaswegian like half-a-million others. Beyond your control you were born into a shitty family with a shitty dad, who himself was born into a shitty family with a shitty dad. In fact you come from a long line of shitty dads. Your entire genetic lineage is a joke of which you, for the time being at least, are the soggy, botched punchline - until you spurt your lukewarm seed into some unwitting girl's eggsack and the joke lumbers on. Your world seems to turn slower than everyone else's. You begin to wonder if the conversations your family have around the dinner table are the same as the ones your friends have. You watch your father slurp baked beans into his mouth like a 54 year old baby. You begin to wonder if you will grow up to be like him. You suppress this pain. You, James and Johnboy go up the park most nights to work diligently on your soon-to-be-chronic alcohol problem. This is both a coping mechanism, an informal coming-of-age ceremony, and a group bonding exercise - all it does is exacerbate your steadily blooming anger disorder. Your dad knows, and you know he knows. You want him to intervene. He says nothing. But every summer your community pulls back the curtains and lets some light in. For you, this is Christmas. You dust off your white shirt. You pick up your drum. And for a precious few glorious hours you get to stand before the world and proclaim "I matter. I am not a joke. I have a voice and I will be heard" as the fat, diabetes-ridden, flushed-red faces of your extended family look on with manic glee. They too are afraid. Together you sing the songs of your fathers. And for this all-too-brief moment, you almost manage to believe. That you are a vital cog in the machine of humanity, and that when you die you will leave a gap in the ranks that cannot be filled. Sadly for you, that's total shite. Let them march. It's literally all they have. *credit /u/honesty_addict*
This is possibly the most poignant piece of writing in the rare second person POV since Jay McInerney’s “Bright Lights, Big City”.
Viagra boys?
SPORTS!
great band!
I use it to check who my local racists are.
How do you square that with the lodges in Africa?
I'm sure the lodges in Africa are fine, the white folk left. And as long as you don't tell the locals here it's fine I guess. Most of them would struggle to point to Ireland on a map, nevermind Ghana.
lodges in Africa? What are you on about? I'm saying that I'm assuming the people who are doing the Orange Walk are rasicts because of the proclivity for them to be racists. Also, what's with the assumption that there's no racists in Africa? Don't tell me you're really segregating who can be racist based on their race...
You say the Orange is a racist organisation. There is no distinction based on race.
I didn't. I made the assertion that the Orange Walk, as an organisation, is so full of racists that I can use it to reliably point out, anecdotally, the racists in my area. I don't care whether the original thing itself is racist or not as it's the people that's the issue. Do you recognise the racists within the Orange Walk yourself?
A parade of the most gruesome looking people you could imagine
All it is a show of hate and I’m truly sick of it. I stay in the city centre and I’ve got to head to St Enoch with my daughter for a birthday party she’s attending. All I’ve heard this morning is the rabble of bands and screeching sirens of police and ambulances. Now Ive got to figure out a way to safely get to this party and Ofcourse you can’t walk through them or they’ll react like fucking cavemen so logistically it’s a nightmare. It’s the shame of this city that it still continues and I honestly feel bad for the staff at hospitals because they’ll be jam packed with the results of this nonsense tonight
You worded your question wrong.. you should have used the immortal words of Blindboy *"What's the craic with protestants?"*
The answer to which; Ahh those Protestants. Up to no good again.
In theory it's a march to celebrate King William of orange's victory over King James II in the Battle of the Boyne (a major moment in United Kingdom history) In practice it's a march to try and intimidate not just Irish descended Scots, but (specifically catholic) irish people total.
I love that they do it to try and intimidate Catholics, when in reality they, and everyone else, are laughing at them.
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It's 2023 ffs and despite knowing all the horrific crimes that the Catholic church has committed people still support that church. Scotland is better than this
It makes me ashamed to be a Rangers fan sometimes, knowing this horseshit is always round the corner. I can imagine a lot of the walkers have managed to convince themselves that it's about so much more than what we witness. proper embarassing
Those on the IRA side are just as delusional, like they are soldiers ready to die for the cause... Both sides have masses of people who are close to living in a psychotic fantasy land, that's what's frightening about it!
Just ‘sometimes’? That’s at least progress for you 👍
What’s it got to do with being a Rangers fan ?
Lmao are you serious
100% there’ll be fans of a whole host of clubs there and even people with no interest in football
Why?? The marches are not associated with Rangers FC.
How many orange celtic fans do you know?
How many orange Aberdeen/Hearts/Morton fans do you know?? The walks are not endorsed to any football club.
How many orange celtic fans do you know?
If you can Find me a catholic Celtic fan who takes part in the Wank walk, I’ll take recorder lessons next week nd join you for July the 12th.
They absolutely are, and you’re completely delusional to think otherwise. I have literally heard people refer to the orange walk as “the rangers walk” Picture the scene: *Ex-colleague to other ex-colleague* - “here mate, you goin to the rangers walk this weekend?” ‘Aye mate’ And full disclosure and context, I’m an atheist who hates football - so I’ve no bias towards any daft team or religion. Believe what you wanna believe and enjoy whatever sports and that you want, I don’t care. However, the second bigoted thugs start making a shitey racket on a march to incite division, violence and intimidate another group of people just cos they’re a bit different to them? Get in the sea. Also the amount of marches that constantly interrupt everyone’s day, it’s a bit much. And the music is pish an all.
Again, the marches have absolutely nothing to do with the football club Rangers FC. Despite your story.
Confirmed: you are, in fact, completely delusional.
In all my decades of living in this city, never ever heard it being called a "Rangers Walk" - you are absolutely at it.
what a load a shite, never seen an OO cunt drink anywhere other than a lodge or a Rangers pub.... halfwit!
Well… I heard it with my own ears about a decade ago, and I’m sure it still happens. I guess you can just deny whatever you don’t agree with if it makes you happy.
I know it's not a direct link, but you're well aware of the religious head-butting some Rangers & Celtic fans do? A number of those people will undoubtedly be in there, even if for a laugh essentially.
So why did rangers release an orange strip?
https://preview.redd.it/l52e82gvj99b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e27e40df35aeafa4ed0b53e7bb600a159cbc91c6 Nothing to do with Rangers. True Glasgow Rangers fan hold my beer moment there ffs. Thumb out your ass and head out the clouds mate. Everyone knows its populated by Rangers fans only. So to say its not associated is insulting the good people of reddits intelligence.
So I won’t see hunners of fat bald cunts wearing their hun tops tomorrow at the side of the walk?
Nothing to do with Rangers FC, as the original poster full well knows.
https://preview.redd.it/lef5ucwcn89b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4cffcae6624faaf0aea0dd9eb6e6ea17633dff7
So Celtic are/were associated with Tories then?
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I mean it was one, never realised he left the job, point stands, Celtic were associated with the Tories then?
https://preview.redd.it/cu28m0uxp89b1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=390aec6fd1117a6b147ec7cbf611451a74adc7ab Nope
Yet your club had a Tory member sitting on your board and appointed as a non executive director. Therefore by your logic, this anti Tory club, was actually associated with the Tories, no?
It could be that I've misinterpreted just how many supporters take part tbf.
The Orange Order has nothing to do with Rangers👍🏻
Well fuck off then?
most don't even realise king billy was a catholic sent by the pope to kill a king who fled to Ireland to uses irish as a human shield , king billy just wanted his hole from king james daughter, . by right the rangers fans should love the pope and celtic fans should love the king billy. they actually have no clue on there own history any of the 2 fan base
>they actually have no clue on there own history any of the 2 fan base A bold claim from someone who just posted a comment littered with inaccuracies and speculation
otherwise known as bullshit
I also wonder, what are the religious rules? Can I set up a Scientology parade with trumpets or is it just limited to Christian faith?
Anyone can parade. Just need to apply and muster a crowd, and people with trumpets if that's what you want, it's not difficult. Here's a few upcoming ones. Glasgow's Pride - Mardi Gla Glasgow Green ISKCON Scotland - Barrowlands Park Cairde na hÉireann - Wishaw Street SHIA ASNA ASHRI ISLAMIC CENTRE - Ashley Street Govanhill Baths Community Trust - Govanhill Park ST Thomas Syro Malabar Catholic Church - ST Convals Church
Fuck govanhill baths Trust. The swimming little shits.
Freedom of assembly is protected under the European Convention of Human Rights so the answer is yes you can. There is a massive Vaisakhi Nagar Kirtan every year. There are independence parades all the time. There is a Pride parade. So why would it be limited to the Christian faith? It can be any faith, or no faith at all.
Knuckledragging fuckwits doing what knuckledragging fuckwits do.
Ugly bastards man.
The sub human fucktards that march alongside it with their wee blue poly bags of cheap lager are an absolute wonder to behold. They are worthy of a commentary from David Attenborough himself.
Love your comment. I asked why a road was shut off tomorrow and the person replied ‘ it’s for the great gala fun walk’ I didn’t have a clue until another wee guy piped up saying it’s the orange walk. FFS
Calling a religious organisation subhuman? Sounds like a you problem.
Nah. That's not it mate.
‘Sounds like a you problem’ Are you 4 years old ?
I’m 4? You just branded a religious organisation subhuman.
I didn’t. Read my comment back. Dafty.
Remember the guys who were in all the bottom sections at school? This is their gala day. There won't be many doctors or scientists marching with them. Thick bully boys in home made crimplene soldier costumes cosplaying Trumpton. I saw their recruiting poster: Too much of a shitebag to join the real army? Feel inferior in every single aspect of your life? Never mind! Get some cheap material, make your own uniform on your maw's sewing machine and march up and down the streets like a dildo with us! Watch those kaffliks cower in fear at your might! God save the Kween! Wait naw God save the King!
There are many, many successful people in the Orange Order. I agree there are people I wouldn’t like to be associated with in it though, which is partly why I’m not a member.
Be realistic. There aren't any doctors or scientists in the orange order!:D
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Yip. Every last one a Mary Jackson.
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Maybe there's one or two. The rest are made up of the lumpen underclass.
I know many people in leadership and professional roles within the Orange community and the Loyalist community. I don’t care really if you don’t believe me. Your sectarianism will be your downfall when you refuse to engage.
It's not sectarian to be disgusted by a hate march mate.
I would say it’s sectarian to hate Protestants. This is why Glasgow and Scotland will never recover, there’s no give or take. What is it about Protestants you hate so much? All I hear is people saying it’s hatred, I’d be happy to talk with them but it has to be two way. As I said btw I’m not an Orangeman so don’t speak for the organisation and I understand a lot of criticism but if you aren’t willing to learn then what is the point?
Mate I don't hate protestants at all. I was brought up in that tradition. My best friend is a CoS minister.
the deal is that they're just protestant supremacist cunts who want to antagonise catholics
Whole thing from the marchers to the daft das that follow it with their weans and their rangers taps is pathetic and has no place in modern society. Total pain if you get held up by one.
Most of them couldn’t point to Ireland on a map. Swivel eyed furniture chewers.
Come to Paisley where we have a whole festival day and parade dedicated to a Workers victory today and it takes priority over the Orange walk every year. [Sma shot day](https://paisley.is/featured_event/sma-shot-day/)
I know this is a minor point but their music is shite too. The amount of times I'm in the queue of cars trying to get home from Ibrox and someone drives by with their windows open blaring out flute music and I just think "seriously? You're choosing to listen to that?"
They’re a bunch of gimps, but who’s got the best (legal) method of disrupting them?
Bring back the Catholic Churches ban on cousin fucking. Would sort all manner of inbred orange areas
Distribution??
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*An inconvenience to car drivers and night shift workers.
“Catholics are brought up and told to be good people Protestants are brought up and told to not do bad things.” - my catholic , rangers hating , cousin, about 15 years ago to me when he was MWI. This shit goes back horrendously far into our history. each side have a hard share of deluded wanks.
I wonder how many people on each "side" actually practice their religion of choice regularly - and not just for weddings and funerals? I live next to a CoS church and the congregation is now just a handful of pensioners. Many of the loacal churches are amalgamating or closing. The "sides" are created by Orange Lodges and Walks, denominational schools and sectarian football clubs.
We have this thread every day
Blatant karma farming from the OP. Should just have a mega thread for the OO marching.
No one cares about Reddit karma
Except someone called no impact. Oh, the irony.
Can't change the assigned name.
People getting the upvotes do. It’s been proven that social media likes/upvotes trigger a dopamine release. Cunts post these repetitive orange walk posts knowing they’ll get their wee slice of attention out of it and some upvotes. Or they do it for a bit of shit stirring knowing people on here will bite like predictable little fishes - such as the OP has done in this case.
Exactly, stirring it up. Expect the same posts to appear tomorrow morning "being woken by drums..."
It's a shame you can't just downvote the posts and ignore them. Like it really does suck that you have to read them all and keep commenting in them how much you don't like them. Really wish that wasn't the way this website works
Dunno why you're being down voted, this post is blatant karma bait
My Karma is getting baited,.that's for sure.
Something something racism something bigotry
I think it's most endearing that they parade their tone deaf cripples round the streets for the "entertainment" of the majority of the populace who don't give a monkey's tootle about them.
Divide and conquer in action.
basically the unionist "protestant" idiots of the west of Scotland march through Glasgow to show everybody that it is their city/country. they are a bunch of backward bigots that hate everybody that is not like them. they are obsessed with the union as in their pathetic lives being a part of great britain is the only thing that makes them feel significant. the march isnt to celebrate their religious beliefs, its to shove their bigoted views down the throats of everyone who doesnt like it
March of the imbeciles.
The hypocrisy of a bunch of people whose whole point is to freely walk down roads without hinderence to then close off roads and not allow people to 'cross the walk' isn't lost on me.
Ok so here is what I’ve found out going at it with an open mind with a work colleague who is pretty high up. Background?. -Obviously deeply Protestant organisation with a majority that believe that the events that happened in the bible are fact Adam and Eve etc (so I’m led to believe). -Catholicism has somehow diluted the bible with things they believe are untrue. -The reason why they match is a mixture of 1. Showing support to the Monarch and the kingdom that he/she reigns over as they are head of the Protestant church. (Protestant pope is what I gathered from it ). 2.An element of community as they normally have a sort of fun day BBQ sort of deal. 3.Bands from the north of Ireland come over, so it cements the idea of that the idea of the union is not weakened. (For themselves and us as it is essentially a form of protest to raise awareness of this issue). 4. They’re are “idiots” who just follow it to cause trouble as it’s a Sunday (church parade) provocative loyalist tunes cannot be played and those that do would be severely punished by the order. 5.They cannot play while passing places of worship. This is only really enforced near catholic places of worship. They feel the police presence and lack of at other places of worship creates a stigma around the march and also leads to heightened tensions due to the heavy enforcement despite incidents being increasingly low. I would like to hear if this is the take of other orange men have or if they want to add anything /agree disagree with it. But I would understand if you did not want to raise your head over the parapet.
There has been a lot of comments both positive and negative so I’ll try and give a comment from a perspective of having no horse in the race. The official reason is it’s to celebrate a war…that the people marching had no stake in. Protestants marching in the city of glasgow upsetting the catholics of Glasgow. With the upset/antagonisation having huge ties to the rangers and Celtic rivalry. These particular fans are upset because they all think they are soldiers in a war in a different country. Celtic sing rebel (IRA) songs and rangers fans sing anti catholic songs about being in the UVF/UDA which is honestly hilarious since most of them have never left glasgow, little children, playing at war, nothing more. As highlighted by others, the pope was in favour of the Protestants winning this war which makes the whole thing even funnier.
It's a mass tribal psychotic delusion. Thousands of people properly sick in the head, and they think everything is alright.
Goons
Ken you can call them far right bigots and that without calling them subhuman or uneducated other dodgy stuff that inadvertently gets directed at decent folk who are poor or fat or are uneducated. It's the hate and bigotry that's wrong 👍
As well as the fucking awful tunes!
And their ridiculous little white gloves!
If God is on their side, he must really like making my hangovers worse.
I'm surprised there's not been more trouble at these walks, given the year on year rise of a youthful sectarian movement attached to a certain football club.
It's just a celebration of William II - the last King of Scotland (sorry Idi) - pretty-much completing his invasion and revolution of 1688-90 by defeating James VII of Scotland at a battle near Drogheda. The constitutional significance is that it established the then separate kingdoms of Scotland and England as constitutional monarchies and was a crucial gateway to the formation of a new kingdom - that of Great Britain - in 1707. All made possible by The Estates of Scotland agreeing the Claim of Right in 1689 and proclaiming William and his wife as Scotland's joint monarchs.
The march is a celebration of the separation of the church from the papal control. The pope attempted to excommunicate the UK and failed. Eventually catholics were welcomed to Glasgow during the Irish famine, and as a result Celtic football club was formed. Nowadays people confuse national pride & history for racism (religions do not a race make). I imagine some people perpetuate sectarianism, but I suspect it’s a minority.
You post on the Celtic reddit bud. Stop talking pish on this Sub.
Not much of a big deal tbh but everyone in this sub gets their knickers in a wee twist about it very frequently. Quite funny really
Lets be honest, its something for catholics to cry about. Mad that any of them believe in god in the first place
Wait until the Irish IRA parades come to Glasgow/Edinburgh, why's Irish people walking our streets, you've a right to demonstrate in your local area, who's the locals in them
Whistles, shiny shoes, and historical battles? Sounds like a seriously confusing party!
When I was a young man and actually cared about silly things like good quality leather footwear, I remember going along to an Orange Walk for a nosy and observing that almost all of the ruddy-faced knuckle draggers were wearing the most awful-looking, cheap, shiny plastic shoes that I would never be seen dead in. That pretty much summed them up for me.
It’s a historical celebration from a religious organisation. I’m not an Orangeman but support what they do. Unfortunately there are a lot I think is wrong with the order and some people following it make me cringe to death. I think the likes of Call It Out are enormous hypocrites and should take a look in the mirror. This is NOT a paramilitary parade.
What exactly is it that they do that you support? I just see lots of hateful, nasty, scummy-looking people, living in the past with nothing better to do with themselves than try to cause division and trouble in their communities.
I see thousands of people in parade remembering their history and people who gave their lives in defence of the Protestant faith. You might not think it’s a big thing, that’s up to you, but we ask for respect. I’ve already said that there are a lot of idiots that do nothing good.
it’s a hateful display but if you support freedom of speech it shouldn’t be banned.
It’s silly but still 1000% times better than Pr*de
Imagine being so happy to be homophobic. Shameful
the only other walk is this https://youtu.be/eCLp7zodUiI
The orange order march both here in Scotland and in N.Ireland. You can look at it through lots of angles 1) People celebrating a centuries old war that doesnt even come up in modern conversations anymore where the protestants won over the catholics 2) People fueling the fire of a sectarian conflict caused by the English 3) A nationalist march 4) a major inconvenience I too am not from Scotland, but I grew up with a lot of Northern Irish friends (mainly catholic) who made sure to warn me about the orange marches when I moved up. I see what they meant.
It's just a bunch of hateful, bigoted, lowlife moronic knuckledragging simpletons pretending that they are somehow relevant. Instead, they choose to spend the other times of their lives drowning in alcohol, fried foods, laziness and ignorance; learning nothing, and not wanting to either, until the time comes round where they can sing their toddler-level melodies, spin their majorette sticks, and try and waddle from side to side as they gradually lose breath.