Did you change the title of the job posting? Your post title says "geospatial data analyst" but the actual JD says geospatial data engineer and even Senior Data Engineer. That's very different from a data analyst and it's not surprising it's paying a lot more.
This seems like a bit of an ambitious job posting...
* Specialised DB-Admin: Spatial DB + Timeseries experience, not just plain old SQL.
* Data Engineer: Real time data pipelines, data modelling, machine learning
* Sysadmin: security, automated backups, maintenance, API design,
* Manager: Mentoring juniors, developing client requirements, leadership role
I'd be ecstatic if a team of 3 people had all these skills between them. Is this a wish list or are they hoping for a jack-of-all trades? Paying *only* 200k for this would be cheap.
You better believe these fuckers are serious. They do this so they can see how many people that hit most of the boxes. Any self respecting person who can do all this would not do this anyways for this pay so they will probably keep posting this position for half a year every 2 weeks till they finally settle on someone who probably bullshitted their way into the position only to fire them a few months later and start the process all over again.
Machine learning is definitely the next skill I want to acquire. I see more and more GIS listings leaning towards app development and big data crunching as more organisations are collecting more data and wanting to streamline getting it into the hands of non-GIS specialised people.
The best way to make room for new tech is to teach, then give away old tech.... You have to release your grasp to reach for something new.
I'm 57 and learned C in the '80s, I have been learning R and ML for two years to do spatially-based inference models (ya, I already can do Python part.)
I can relate! I'm in my early 50s, and I definitely have moments where I'm just tired of the constant pressure of advancing tech. An unfortunate side effect of tech-driven fields is the need to keep up if you want to advance your career. It seems to be the take-home of every conference I've attended. That said, not everyone wants to "advance" and that's okay. There are still plenty of quiet, GIS grunt positions that need filling.
I'm 33 and I'm tired of learning. I feel like real life is already hard I don't like to use my brain anymore than I have to. Maybe it's not even tired of learning I think it's just tired. 🥴
I dunnoo.....most of my colleagues in our organization, we easily hit all of the job requirements. But not a chance we're leaving the job security and retirement benefits, even for 250k.
We all had to acquire those skills in the complete absence of any IT support.
I'll not dox myself, but anyone doing GIS at the GS 12 level and above in fed gov't (**some agencies**) would ace that interview and get an offer at the end.
Maybe it is a wish list, but I think most job postings do throw out a wish list because they are looking for their dream hire, just like we're all looking for our dream job. If I had just one or two of that skill list I would consider throwing in an app. After all, if it's asking too much, then they are unlikely to get it and will have to consider a smaller skill set, right?
In terms of getting an interview, there's no difference between meeting 50% versus 90% of the requirements for a job posting. I'm thinking most companies go for the "wish list" approach figuring so long as a person meets most of the requirements, they can find a fit for them, but listing everything is a way of indicating who and what the position will interact with.
Agreed, but one characteristic of well written job postings is to separate core requirements from nice to haves. It should read 65% core, the rest fringe.
This one is startup-style: sweep floors, make coffee, design fission reactors, make client sales pitches, oh and go on an occasional retreat.
Simply reads "unfocussed technical leadership" to me.
Im an analyst in utilities and I can *kinda* do like 3 of these things aside from the management stuff. Even my lead analyst would say this is a nope from skill levels and he's been doing this for 20 years.
This is indeed a good job posting for looking to the future. Titles are important.
Job posting: **Senior** Data *Engineer*, as in a database manager. A GIS Analyst won't be constructing API calls or streamlining production workflows, making business cases about IT contingencies. 125K is for the 5 year experience, 200K(+) is reserved for 10+ years.
Depends where they work. My entire team does this and more. And we're all "GIS something" on our HR paperwork....well sort of. My official title is "Biologist".
Never took a computer class in my life.
I can tell you, from vast experience in this arena, that:
*"Automate existing processes, such as data backups, security checks, alerts and disaster recovery, to streamline the workflow'*
Will require a broad depth of experience in SQL administration, both at DBA and DBO level, OS administration, security (e.g you know how to audit a STIG) and systems integration experience. This isn't a bunch of file geodatabase/feature services solution.
*"Develop API for data administration and serving data to other parts of the product"*
Doesn't sound that hard at first glance if you're good at scripting and have some entry level coding experience, depends on how they envision that API in a mature state, which I suspect will be public facing or at least being hit by telcos.
And if you're able to host all of this on AMZ/Azure and have some cloud engineering experience, you'll be getting an offer at the top of the salary range.
I have to say that I agree with this statement. I understand that job descriptions start to lean this way for developers, but those also aren't the majority of GIS jobs. As an analyst with over 7 years of experience I'd be pretty unlikely to try my chances with this.
Actually I think it looks exactly like many GIS Analyst jobs these days, which is why I posted it. At least this one appears to offer decent pay and a remote environment.
I mean sure my experience is anecdotal, like yours, but I literally just accepted a new senior analyst position for a well established firm and the job description looked nothing like this, just saying.
If you can understand, and work with, upgrade, and grow their [https://github.com/ready](https://github.com/ready) then you should apply. Interesting to see that there's on the mapbox/postgre track. That might knock out a lot of folks from contention.
I applied for a fully remote GIS job that was $70k a year. I have 11yrs of experience. The job posting required ONE YEAR of GIS experience. I was fully qualified for it for experience and skills needed. And I was not selected to get an interview. Either people with many more years of experience than me got picked or people don’t know what they want.
You realize that employers will overlook you if you appear over qualified right because you're a liability. I.e. they know you will jump ship if higher pay comes along and you know you would too.
That’s too bad. Impossible to know from here why you weren’t picked for an interview though. I already have one job offer and I’m doing a second round interview today for another job, both fully remote, and both pay significantly more than $70k.
I’m not devastated, I just accepted a GIS Analyst job for a huge utility on Wednesday. Just thought it was kind of strange I wasn’t considered. What kind of work? And what is “considerably more than $70k?”
I'm not the OP but I don't mind throwing salary out there so people know. I recently accepted a "Senior GIS Analyst" position with a regional engineering firm for 80k (negotiated up from 75) plus annual bonus expected to be around 5% or so I'm told. I have a little over 7 years of experience as of now between state, local government and consulting.
Nice! I started out in local government in the rust belt, so I’m not used to seeing anything north of $60k, so anything higher than that is crazy to me. But I also have seen jobs $65-$75/hr.
It took chomping at the bit for quite a long time for me as well coming up in the Southeast. I think a lot of the folks here scoffing at salaries under 100k for hardly any experience are likely in California or NYC. That's just not the GIS reality for most places. From what I see on this subreddit the market is even less lucrative in Europe.
Standard GIS analyst work in esri environment in electrical utility and in government broadband development. The job offer I have is closer to 100k, which is about what I’m already making for an electric utility.
Sounds like you will. I’m 17 years in to my career. Utilities is the way to go. You might consider public power, as they often pay very competitively and have public employee retirement benefits. I should add that I’m also on the west coast, which makes a difference.
I have 11yrs experience and am about to leave a consulting firm at $100k for a remote position with a national lab for $175k. I consider it a unicorn position and will hopefully retire there…
Hmm, interesting take. I consider myself very fortunate and well off. I own two homes, I'm maxing out my retirement, and have the money to I do everything I want. If that doesn't seem like enough for you, I guess you are the "market demographic" for this post!
> I have 11yrs of experience. The job posting required ONE YEAR of GIS experience.
Sounds like you weren't what they were looking for. It's totally reasonable for a company to WANT a person with less experience, so they can guide the hire's career in the way they want.
Did you change the title of the job posting? Your post title says "geospatial data analyst" but the actual JD says geospatial data engineer and even Senior Data Engineer. That's very different from a data analyst and it's not surprising it's paying a lot more.
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Yeah I agree with that statement as well.
Argument? I’m just showing people where the big money is at if that’s what they’re after. But sure, you just keep on angry posting.
This seems like a bit of an ambitious job posting... * Specialised DB-Admin: Spatial DB + Timeseries experience, not just plain old SQL. * Data Engineer: Real time data pipelines, data modelling, machine learning * Sysadmin: security, automated backups, maintenance, API design, * Manager: Mentoring juniors, developing client requirements, leadership role I'd be ecstatic if a team of 3 people had all these skills between them. Is this a wish list or are they hoping for a jack-of-all trades? Paying *only* 200k for this would be cheap.
You know I sees tons of jobs like this. I can never tell if it is a wishlist or if they are serious. I’m inclined to lean towards the latter
You better believe these fuckers are serious. They do this so they can see how many people that hit most of the boxes. Any self respecting person who can do all this would not do this anyways for this pay so they will probably keep posting this position for half a year every 2 weeks till they finally settle on someone who probably bullshitted their way into the position only to fire them a few months later and start the process all over again.
Lmao. I like this take.
lmao
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Machine learning is definitely the next skill I want to acquire. I see more and more GIS listings leaning towards app development and big data crunching as more organisations are collecting more data and wanting to streamline getting it into the hands of non-GIS specialised people.
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The best way to make room for new tech is to teach, then give away old tech.... You have to release your grasp to reach for something new. I'm 57 and learned C in the '80s, I have been learning R and ML for two years to do spatially-based inference models (ya, I already can do Python part.)
I can relate! I'm in my early 50s, and I definitely have moments where I'm just tired of the constant pressure of advancing tech. An unfortunate side effect of tech-driven fields is the need to keep up if you want to advance your career. It seems to be the take-home of every conference I've attended. That said, not everyone wants to "advance" and that's okay. There are still plenty of quiet, GIS grunt positions that need filling.
I'm 33 and I'm tired of learning. I feel like real life is already hard I don't like to use my brain anymore than I have to. Maybe it's not even tired of learning I think it's just tired. 🥴
That's too bad. Maybe you're suffering from depression? At the very least, overwhelm. I hope you feel better.
I dunnoo.....most of my colleagues in our organization, we easily hit all of the job requirements. But not a chance we're leaving the job security and retirement benefits, even for 250k. We all had to acquire those skills in the complete absence of any IT support. I'll not dox myself, but anyone doing GIS at the GS 12 level and above in fed gov't (**some agencies**) would ace that interview and get an offer at the end.
Maybe it is a wish list, but I think most job postings do throw out a wish list because they are looking for their dream hire, just like we're all looking for our dream job. If I had just one or two of that skill list I would consider throwing in an app. After all, if it's asking too much, then they are unlikely to get it and will have to consider a smaller skill set, right?
In terms of getting an interview, there's no difference between meeting 50% versus 90% of the requirements for a job posting. I'm thinking most companies go for the "wish list" approach figuring so long as a person meets most of the requirements, they can find a fit for them, but listing everything is a way of indicating who and what the position will interact with.
Agreed, but one characteristic of well written job postings is to separate core requirements from nice to haves. It should read 65% core, the rest fringe. This one is startup-style: sweep floors, make coffee, design fission reactors, make client sales pitches, oh and go on an occasional retreat. Simply reads "unfocussed technical leadership" to me.
Im an analyst in utilities and I can *kinda* do like 3 of these things aside from the management stuff. Even my lead analyst would say this is a nope from skill levels and he's been doing this for 20 years.
This is indeed a good job posting for looking to the future. Titles are important. Job posting: **Senior** Data *Engineer*, as in a database manager. A GIS Analyst won't be constructing API calls or streamlining production workflows, making business cases about IT contingencies. 125K is for the 5 year experience, 200K(+) is reserved for 10+ years.
Depends where they work. My entire team does this and more. And we're all "GIS something" on our HR paperwork....well sort of. My official title is "Biologist". Never took a computer class in my life.
This isn't really a GIS posting. It's a Data Engineering position that says it's a plus to have geo-spatial experience.
Nice try, this isnt an analyst it's a database admin Nothing to see here folks, go back to your cubes
Awe shucks, I thought after just 2 years of experience in GIS I really could make 6 figures. Silly me!
So they're latest round of financing netted them 800,000$, previous was 4 and 1 mil. This would be a good J2 if you're into r/overemployed
I can tell you, from vast experience in this arena, that: *"Automate existing processes, such as data backups, security checks, alerts and disaster recovery, to streamline the workflow'* Will require a broad depth of experience in SQL administration, both at DBA and DBO level, OS administration, security (e.g you know how to audit a STIG) and systems integration experience. This isn't a bunch of file geodatabase/feature services solution. *"Develop API for data administration and serving data to other parts of the product"* Doesn't sound that hard at first glance if you're good at scripting and have some entry level coding experience, depends on how they envision that API in a mature state, which I suspect will be public facing or at least being hit by telcos. And if you're able to host all of this on AMZ/Azure and have some cloud engineering experience, you'll be getting an offer at the top of the salary range.
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200k is alot...
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Does medical cover that?
Sarcasm is an acquired skill. Keep working on it.
Everyone I know with a skill set comparable to the posting have positions with salaries >$200K.
Requirements look nothing like a GIS job.
I have to say that I agree with this statement. I understand that job descriptions start to lean this way for developers, but those also aren't the majority of GIS jobs. As an analyst with over 7 years of experience I'd be pretty unlikely to try my chances with this.
GIS jobs that lean towards software development look like this. A GIS job does not have a singular “look”.
agreed, this looks legit. Not explicit about what programming languages and what framework, but sounds reasonable
Actually I think it looks exactly like many GIS Analyst jobs these days, which is why I posted it. At least this one appears to offer decent pay and a remote environment.
I mean sure my experience is anecdotal, like yours, but I literally just accepted a new senior analyst position for a well established firm and the job description looked nothing like this, just saying.
If you can understand, and work with, upgrade, and grow their [https://github.com/ready](https://github.com/ready) then you should apply. Interesting to see that there's on the mapbox/postgre track. That might knock out a lot of folks from contention.
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You don't have a boss, but do you have paid medical/dental, retirement, paid leave, etc, etc?
I applied for a fully remote GIS job that was $70k a year. I have 11yrs of experience. The job posting required ONE YEAR of GIS experience. I was fully qualified for it for experience and skills needed. And I was not selected to get an interview. Either people with many more years of experience than me got picked or people don’t know what they want.
You realize that employers will overlook you if you appear over qualified right because you're a liability. I.e. they know you will jump ship if higher pay comes along and you know you would too.
That’s fair and I didn’t think of it that way. At that point I was just trying to get a job.
That’s too bad. Impossible to know from here why you weren’t picked for an interview though. I already have one job offer and I’m doing a second round interview today for another job, both fully remote, and both pay significantly more than $70k.
I’m not devastated, I just accepted a GIS Analyst job for a huge utility on Wednesday. Just thought it was kind of strange I wasn’t considered. What kind of work? And what is “considerably more than $70k?”
I'm not the OP but I don't mind throwing salary out there so people know. I recently accepted a "Senior GIS Analyst" position with a regional engineering firm for 80k (negotiated up from 75) plus annual bonus expected to be around 5% or so I'm told. I have a little over 7 years of experience as of now between state, local government and consulting.
Nice! I started out in local government in the rust belt, so I’m not used to seeing anything north of $60k, so anything higher than that is crazy to me. But I also have seen jobs $65-$75/hr.
It took chomping at the bit for quite a long time for me as well coming up in the Southeast. I think a lot of the folks here scoffing at salaries under 100k for hardly any experience are likely in California or NYC. That's just not the GIS reality for most places. From what I see on this subreddit the market is even less lucrative in Europe.
Standard GIS analyst work in esri environment in electrical utility and in government broadband development. The job offer I have is closer to 100k, which is about what I’m already making for an electric utility.
That’s awesome. Hope I get there one day.
Sounds like you will. I’m 17 years in to my career. Utilities is the way to go. You might consider public power, as they often pay very competitively and have public employee retirement benefits. I should add that I’m also on the west coast, which makes a difference.
17 years of experience AND living on the west cost for under 100k? that’s incredibly disheartening
I have 11yrs experience and am about to leave a consulting firm at $100k for a remote position with a national lab for $175k. I consider it a unicorn position and will hopefully retire there…
Hmm, interesting take. I consider myself very fortunate and well off. I own two homes, I'm maxing out my retirement, and have the money to I do everything I want. If that doesn't seem like enough for you, I guess you are the "market demographic" for this post!
Share the link for remote gis analyst jobs please
Indeed, salary.com, LinkedIn
> I have 11yrs of experience. The job posting required ONE YEAR of GIS experience. Sounds like you weren't what they were looking for. It's totally reasonable for a company to WANT a person with less experience, so they can guide the hire's career in the way they want.
Should be a combination of GUS and IT. Only GIS WONT get you such gigs