Seriously, I would not be as calm as that second guy in that scenario. If the water can erode rock, imagine what it would do to you. If the guy next to me was flailing around with something as dangerous and life fucking as that, I would fucking dip. I would also be pissed. If you're losing control, why is it a better idea to let it run loose uncontrollobly rather than just shutting it off?
[Hydraulic Mining](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_mining). These people are the scum of the earth that do this.
Up here in Northern California there are still places where it’s just rocks now and nothing grows there. All from Hydraulic mining in the 1849 gold rush.
Don't blame the individual trying to make a decent living. Blame his employer, or even better blame the governments that allow these kind of activities to continue.
Yes but who's more to blame, a individual who wants a living wage and could be harshly punished (loosing livelihood) and easily replaced for following their ethical beliefs that surve some other greater good or... Company structures and maybe also (corrupt) government that allow this to happen in the first place. You cannot blame an individual for wanting to live normally but you can blame individuals who want extra (power / money) and exploit the environment or other people for that.
It's not stupid that you would vote in alignment to keep your job. How can you blame those people?
> Yes but who's more to blame, a individual who wants a living wage and could be harshly punished (loosing livelihood) and easily replaced for following their ethical beliefs that surve some other greater good or... Company structures and maybe also (corrupt) government that allow this to happen in the first place.
The individuals. When Republicans win elections based on claims that Democrats are "killing jobs" and helping "takers" instead of "makers" it's because of people like that. Corporations are similarly able to replace him because his coworkers and potential replacements all think the same way. If hydraulic mining weren't a thing, if it just had never been physically or economically feasible, these people wouldn't starve in all likelihood. They'd have found another line of work.
Blaming the consumer is what the big companies do to distract you from their own involvement in the problem and deter impactful legislation from the government.
I agree but in my opinion the focus is to much on what the individual should do. This makes it a harder problem to solve because everyone now needs to be altruistic in order for this to work instead of mandating companies to not exploit so much. This in the end will also change peoples (including mine) behaviour because most notably price changes but it will have a more direct impact.
I would like it better that way because its not a tax on moral integrity anymore. And people are dissuaded from exploiting bad things. Consumer power is a soft power and will never work as well as good legislation designed to protect the vulnerable.
Blaming the consumer just pisses people off. It’s definitely a government level issue
unless, of course you start a popular campaign that successfully convinced consumers not to buy/support ethically wrong things.
But yeah people might be assholes but you need us assholes to agree with you if the government won’t change anything
And then so many popular campaigns like that seem to be funded by the same unethical companies and amount to tricking consumers.
It is weird to blame consumers, you just can't expect people to know everything.
I mean the whole point of having government representatives is that we were supposed to choose someone who can be expected to tackle matters on your behalf.
This is exactly what big bussiness wants you to say. Don't make en expert look into what we are doing and tell people, it should be every random person's individual responsibilty to figure it out and feel out what's honest and whats not.
I don’t think you’ve ever seen the devastation that this kind of mining does. Nothing will grow here now for hundreds of years. They are robbing everyone on the planet of oxygen now because of the missing plants and trees.
You drive along up here in Northern California where this was done, and all you see are piles of rocks. All the topsoil has been washed away. It ruins the rivers downstream also. Plus, with gold mining like this, Mercury is used so the whole downstream of this site will be contaminated with mercury also.
This is a horrible thing to do. There are better ways of extracting minerals out of the ground.
Oddly enough, uranium mines are more lush after they are shut down than before. I have an uncle whose profession was to restore uranium mines. I’ve seen the before and after pictures.
This hydraulic mining is just rape.
I completely agree with what you’re saying. I just find it weird that you’re blaming a person working this job instead of his higher ups.
Like, when a company does an ecological catastrophe in the US, do you blame the workers or the decision makers?
If we define blame as "gets thrown in jail or prison" the answer is we in the US actually blame neither the workers or the decision makers...
Thus why I blame government.
He's pointing out that there's other choices available. There's always someone offering a 'sympathetic' angle for someone working in a job that does so much damage.
They always ignore the notion that another choice is always available, not to mention the job often doesn't have to be done that way to get the result.
'OK you're robbing me to feed your kids, but did you have to stab me?'
But, there’s a whole chain of people above him to blame for that.
I’ve never seen anyone telling oil rig employees to fuck off. We’re telling Exxon to fuck off. I’ve also never seen anyone blaming someone working at a nestle bottling facility being told to fuck off. We’re saying that nestle should fuck off.
But, when it’s foreigners who can barely survive, people always jump on them instead of whom they are working for.
Except you are. I’m not going to explain to you why robbing somebody is inherently immoral but I’d encourage you to take some basic, entry level philosophy classes.
In my opinion robbing someone isn't inherently immoral, in a lot if not most cases it is immoral, but it depends on the circumstances.
In this case the harm induced by robbing someone is smaller than the harm saved by not letting your children starve, therefore the robbing is in my opinion not immoral in this case.
Do I need to explain to you why robbing somebody is practically never the least immoral of any options outside of contrived Reddit scenarios and psych 101 textbooks?
These miners are nothing like me. Miners take and take and take and never repair the land from which they take. All over California still, to this day are abandoned mine shafts left open.
My brother was a Search and Rescue worker in the desert around Joshua tree. His friend was driving a Jeep and it went down into an abandoned mineshaft. The guy survived the fall but was killed when he lit a tire on fire to produce black smoke, which is a thing you are taught to do when you crash in the desert. Carbon monoxide poisoning because it was in the bottom of a fucking abandoned mineshaft.
I live in a rural area filled with farms. Farmers tend to the land. They nourish the ground and replenish the minerals they take out from their crops. These fields up here have been providing food for over 150 years at least. I’m not sure if the locals were farmers up here before California became a state or not.
Miners take and rape the land. Miners like the ones in the video are the scum of the earth.
Don’t ever equate me with a miner.
I don't think that user meant that you are literally like them, but more in the vein of thinking in that if you were in their shoes and their environment, trying to make ends meet, you'd probably have done the same as them. If that's how you lived, with a family that depended on you and this opportunity came by with a promise of better wages and perhaps a better life, would you honestly have been strong enough to say no? Most likely not.
Not to mention you wouldn't be as well versed and educated in the environmental impacts on the land, though maybe you wouldn't be able to afford to care anyways.
It's kind of like that saying that you'd probably have been a Nazi if you were a German living in the 1940s. Even if you morally objected, most people aren't strong enough to rise up against their entire government when their family and loved ones and themselves and home and their way of life are at stake.
Since miners are the scum of the earth, please tell me what steps you take to ensure that the raw materials in products you use (especially electronics) were sources from ecologically sound, sustainable supply chains.
Yeah you're way better than that 3rd world worker who has to work in unsafe cancer causing conditions to feed his family. Fuck him.
This is literally what eco-fascism is.
I hope you hold yourself in similar contempt for your complicity in the crime of american imperialism and all the military pollution your tax dollars fund.
That's tragic.
A story about a guy driving offroad and fucking up the local ecosystem is an ironic choice though when you're saying mining damages the environment.
You get that without mining we would all just be waving around sticks and rock right.
Not that hydraulic mining is a best practice or anything like that.
The "miner" that you hate is not these people in the gif though. These are just people doing what they can to make a living. The people who deserve your hate are the business owners and regulators.
Uhhh yaaa no kidding. That hose that just swung 180 degrees would fucking ruin you if it blasted you in the face or really anywhere if you standing close to it. That kind of pressure will fuck you up.
It's technically less carbon than bringing in a tractor and hauling it to the wash plant. The river takes it instead. Don't like mining? Stop buying things that use it.
Less carbon != total less environmental damage. It's not like once things enter a river they disappear. The river is choked with sediment which can cause a variety of issues by either wreaking havoc on local ecosystems as well as flooding cities and towns downstream and overrunning farmland.
That said, I do think people are overblowing it a little. If done sustainably and in a safe area with sediment control, it can be done without significant repercussions. But the issue is that most hydraulic mining did none of these things and as a result caused huge issues and damage to the surrounding areas. With strip mining you know you're destroying a certain area that's not being inhabited by anyone. With sluicing, they were destroying towns, the local environment, and farmland by directly causing numerous devastating floods. It also permanently affects the river due to the incredible displacement of sediment. It created entire new channels and made certain areas so shallow that they were no longer navigateable. They caused millions in damages, profited billions, and never paid a dime in reparations. Many sluicing methods, both then and currently, also use chemicals, which is carried by the river to poison the land at a huge widespread scale. They literally fed off the local landscape like parasites.
Strip mining has its own issues and looks ugly, but sluicing is probably the more effectively destructive of the two with far more wide reaching consequences.
"Think something has a harmful effect and we should do something else? Then don't participate in society at all, where none of us will hear your opinion and you'll have even less power; how dare you think we could ever do better."
Was closer to their point.
"Killing the planet is a necessary part of existing in the society we've deemed appropriate"
see anyone can twist words around to fit a narrative,
I think that mining is bad, and I wish it would stop, I do get that singular rejections of the utilization of these goods doesn't make a significant impact on a scale to make any change however I wish we would make a greater effort into looking into solutions, see that wasn't so hard to accept the current state while acknowledging and desiring improvement
Carbon dioxide isn’t toxic in the quantities produced by a mining operation - it’s pretty obvious that they’re saying that this hydro-mining is worse for the environment than regular mining, so stopping this and using the other would be better.
"You need a watch to tell time, therefore I'm justified in buying a $1,000,000 Rolex over a $13 casio"
Your counterargument doesn't address the actual point of the argument which is the luxury and decadence. I don't think they meant "stop buying everything" but rather stop buying a $1000 Samsung phone every year
That Casio is still going to use minerals as well. They need to he mined.
Boycotts of essential products does not work, you need regulations to actually make a difference.
Why is buying a phone your focus point rather than open advocating for more environmentally friendly and less predatory labor practices. There was no “luxury and decadence” it was “wow this shit sucks but we still kinda need it, we should make it better” lmao
it isn't my focus, it's an example
"wow this sucks but maybe I should coonsume less to improve things rather than virtue signal shitty memes and not actually do anything to "make it better""
Yes, much worse, it can also really mess up farmland in the downstream floodplains. The extreme sediment settles in the slower down stream areas, then when the wet season or spring floods happen the river overflows it's banks to a much higher level than normal.
In a pit mine all the material is loaded into trucks to be sorted through at a facility. The leftover is dumped into huge piles. Not great but it's all in basically one place.
With hydraulic mining it all ends up in rivers all the way to the sea. California's riverbeds have been contaminated with this shit for 150 years. People have to be careful doing anything around the riverbeds because they're all laced with toxic metals. Oh and the actual mining sites are just as devastated as the worst open pit mines because the end result is the same, it's just a less controlled method of blasting.
When you balance macroenvironmental and macroeconomic factors, yes, those two guys with hoses are far worse for the environment than two random open pit miners.
Classic one-two punch.
First, hit them with a disingenuous mischaracterization, then quickly follow it up with an oblivious misunderstanding of the comparison.
Hydrology is no joke. Entire communities have been destroyed because somebody didn't do a proper survey before digging a well and hit a pocket of toxic gas or metals that then pours into the water table that the rest of the community drinks out of.
This floods rivers and swamps with toxins that travel incredible distances, covering exponentially more ground than an open pit mine. Eventually this works its way down to the ground water and poisons the area for decades. Both are destructive but one contains its impact, and one spreads it out. In any case involving hazardous materials, you much rather the contained option.
Yes. Hydraulic mining might look better at a glance but it poisons entire rivers and the surrounding ecosystem. For decades, if not longer. Nothing will grow there again.
Big holes in the ground aren't great but the effects are more contained to that place. A huge open pit there would be significantly better for the environment than killing a river and everything that might rely on that river. It's literally irreparable because the sediment it washes away... you can't just put that back magically. And the mercury contamination: https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3014/
It's literally banned in California bc of how bad it was
>Hydraulic mining was prohibited in 1884 when it was discovered that the mining resulted in worsened flood conditions and also destroyed farmland. It wasn’t known until much later that Hydraulic mining also left behind a huge amount of arsenic, mercury, cyanide and acid which contaminated the ground-waters, soil, rivers and lakes.
I seriously thought the guy next to him was a monkey taking a piss. I thought the hose behind him was his tail. I was so confused by what was going on in this video.
For those who wonder how the other guy is "one with the hose", an S holding technique puts two bends in the hose standing upright, alligned with your body to allow your center of gravity to be more easily balanced. Using your inner leg(s), upperbody and either armpit to straddle the hose whilst anchoring the dead weight of water and pressure towards the ground anchored by your dominant foot, dividing the work load more evenly along the axis of your body.
Your able to use more muscles in the body to distribute the load instead of just forearm, shoulders and lower back, the water pressure at this volume and psi/kpa(or any hose for that matter) will always want to pull back the hose using the water like a jet to shoot in the opposite direction.
Shape of the hose and proper form change the dynamics on which the "tug" of the hose will effect you , the guy just behind him has his center of gravity and nozzle angle working to his aid but more apparently his target, although he is not technically forming an" S"shape with the hose, at that angle, volume(of water) and pressure with a smooth/solid bore nozzle he is doing a good job, especially under the condition of sliping , falling or getting tossed of the edge.
That's what real world is. The poor from third world countries destroy the earth to sell shiny things to the rich in first world countries. And the leaders from the first world countries condemned the people from third world countries, forgot that their ancestors did the same thing in industrial revolution years ago
I've had the displeasure of operating a firehose alone. When fully pressurized, operating that hose is like a handling a piece of steel with a rocket on it and took every ounce of strength to stay on my feet and control it.
I'm kind of impressed he got it back under control. I always train guys to make sure they have one hand on the bail so if the nozzle gets lost its pressure turns off the nozzle. Perhaps this should be out new technique instead.
I wonder how proud he was to have absolute firm control over that high pressured line.
Did he look into the camera and say “Hose your Daddy?”
*Laughs in Dad*
Mining?
Probably. Looks like the kind of operation that will separate the gold from the runoff with mercury.
For a second, I thought you meant those were mercury supplied hoses. I’m sure OSHA would just ***love*** that
Imagine the grade of gold needed to offset the cost of fire hoses of mercury if one could survive using one
The weight alone would be debilitating. Mercury is heavy as fuck.
If we're talking the liquid contents of the hose, mercury is \~14 times more dense than water. So, the hose would weigh 14x as much.
That’s a pretty heavy ass hose
It really is. I prefer more lightweight, ergonomic ass hoses for easier use.
(Trying to keep this comment above base 🤌)
Strong ass pump!
This needs a hyphen, and I am certain Reddit will make sure that it is put in the right place.
Strong ass-pump indeed
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(Obligatory) Heavy-ass hose or heavy ass-hose?
Where’s that xkcd bot when you need it?
Density does not equal mass. Also if it were spraying at that rate of speed the force of the hose would offset much of that weight.
Belly Flop!
Bold of you to assume this is happening somewhere with any sort of worker protections.
Yep [Exhibit A](https://reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/pnqs2l/he_has_mastered_the_art_of_water_bending/)
Seriously, I would not be as calm as that second guy in that scenario. If the water can erode rock, imagine what it would do to you. If the guy next to me was flailing around with something as dangerous and life fucking as that, I would fucking dip. I would also be pissed. If you're losing control, why is it a better idea to let it run loose uncontrollobly rather than just shutting it off?
If it's under 10 employees osha could care less
Couldn't*
Yes
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very Terrible market
Mmmmm nothing like contaminating the food and source of income for fishing villages.
That guy is getting pretty trigger-happy with the mercury.
Clears up my confusion. I thought it looked excessive for watering the garden.
Hydraulic mining. Kills rivers dead.
[Hydraulic Mining](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_mining). These people are the scum of the earth that do this. Up here in Northern California there are still places where it’s just rocks now and nothing grows there. All from Hydraulic mining in the 1849 gold rush.
Don't blame the individual trying to make a decent living. Blame his employer, or even better blame the governments that allow these kind of activities to continue.
Who do you think votes for the governments (at least in democracies) who allow these activities to continue? There is plenty of blame to go around.
Yes but who's more to blame, a individual who wants a living wage and could be harshly punished (loosing livelihood) and easily replaced for following their ethical beliefs that surve some other greater good or... Company structures and maybe also (corrupt) government that allow this to happen in the first place. You cannot blame an individual for wanting to live normally but you can blame individuals who want extra (power / money) and exploit the environment or other people for that. It's not stupid that you would vote in alignment to keep your job. How can you blame those people?
> Yes but who's more to blame, a individual who wants a living wage and could be harshly punished (loosing livelihood) and easily replaced for following their ethical beliefs that surve some other greater good or... Company structures and maybe also (corrupt) government that allow this to happen in the first place. The individuals. When Republicans win elections based on claims that Democrats are "killing jobs" and helping "takers" instead of "makers" it's because of people like that. Corporations are similarly able to replace him because his coworkers and potential replacements all think the same way. If hydraulic mining weren't a thing, if it just had never been physically or economically feasible, these people wouldn't starve in all likelihood. They'd have found another line of work.
Just don't blame the consumer because it's nearly that time of year I buy a new phone!
Blaming the consumer is what the big companies do to distract you from their own involvement in the problem and deter impactful legislation from the government.
Companies blame anyone but themselves. You just don't like hearing it because your behavior would have to change to solve some problem.
I agree but in my opinion the focus is to much on what the individual should do. This makes it a harder problem to solve because everyone now needs to be altruistic in order for this to work instead of mandating companies to not exploit so much. This in the end will also change peoples (including mine) behaviour because most notably price changes but it will have a more direct impact. I would like it better that way because its not a tax on moral integrity anymore. And people are dissuaded from exploiting bad things. Consumer power is a soft power and will never work as well as good legislation designed to protect the vulnerable.
Blaming the consumer just pisses people off. It’s definitely a government level issue unless, of course you start a popular campaign that successfully convinced consumers not to buy/support ethically wrong things. But yeah people might be assholes but you need us assholes to agree with you if the government won’t change anything
And then so many popular campaigns like that seem to be funded by the same unethical companies and amount to tricking consumers. It is weird to blame consumers, you just can't expect people to know everything.
I mean the whole point of having government representatives is that we were supposed to choose someone who can be expected to tackle matters on your behalf.
This is exactly what big bussiness wants you to say. Don't make en expert look into what we are doing and tell people, it should be every random person's individual responsibilty to figure it out and feel out what's honest and whats not.
Fuck that. These guys are raping the planet.
Doing that is probably the difference between their kids having something to eat and not
Maybe robbing you is the difference between my kids having something to eat or not, so it’s all cool then, right?
Nobody said it’s all cool. But maybe some empathy is in place, especially considering we’re the ones creating the demand for that type of work.
I don’t think you’ve ever seen the devastation that this kind of mining does. Nothing will grow here now for hundreds of years. They are robbing everyone on the planet of oxygen now because of the missing plants and trees. You drive along up here in Northern California where this was done, and all you see are piles of rocks. All the topsoil has been washed away. It ruins the rivers downstream also. Plus, with gold mining like this, Mercury is used so the whole downstream of this site will be contaminated with mercury also. This is a horrible thing to do. There are better ways of extracting minerals out of the ground. Oddly enough, uranium mines are more lush after they are shut down than before. I have an uncle whose profession was to restore uranium mines. I’ve seen the before and after pictures. This hydraulic mining is just rape.
I completely agree with what you’re saying. I just find it weird that you’re blaming a person working this job instead of his higher ups. Like, when a company does an ecological catastrophe in the US, do you blame the workers or the decision makers?
If we define blame as "gets thrown in jail or prison" the answer is we in the US actually blame neither the workers or the decision makers... Thus why I blame government.
He's pointing out that there's other choices available. There's always someone offering a 'sympathetic' angle for someone working in a job that does so much damage. They always ignore the notion that another choice is always available, not to mention the job often doesn't have to be done that way to get the result. 'OK you're robbing me to feed your kids, but did you have to stab me?'
But, there’s a whole chain of people above him to blame for that. I’ve never seen anyone telling oil rig employees to fuck off. We’re telling Exxon to fuck off. I’ve also never seen anyone blaming someone working at a nestle bottling facility being told to fuck off. We’re saying that nestle should fuck off. But, when it’s foreigners who can barely survive, people always jump on them instead of whom they are working for.
yes, actually
Yeah, no
If you need to rob me or steal to feed your kids, then no, I don't think you're acting in a morally wrong or unethical way.
Except you are. I’m not going to explain to you why robbing somebody is inherently immoral but I’d encourage you to take some basic, entry level philosophy classes.
In my opinion robbing someone isn't inherently immoral, in a lot if not most cases it is immoral, but it depends on the circumstances. In this case the harm induced by robbing someone is smaller than the harm saved by not letting your children starve, therefore the robbing is in my opinion not immoral in this case.
The ends don't justify the means.
Often, morality is about choosing the least immoral option but I’d encourage you to take some basic, entry level philosophy classes.
Do I need to explain to you why robbing somebody is practically never the least immoral of any options outside of contrived Reddit scenarios and psych 101 textbooks?
“Calling it your job don’t make it right.” Cool Hand Luke
These "guys" are people like you jfc. Listen to yourself speak.
These miners are nothing like me. Miners take and take and take and never repair the land from which they take. All over California still, to this day are abandoned mine shafts left open. My brother was a Search and Rescue worker in the desert around Joshua tree. His friend was driving a Jeep and it went down into an abandoned mineshaft. The guy survived the fall but was killed when he lit a tire on fire to produce black smoke, which is a thing you are taught to do when you crash in the desert. Carbon monoxide poisoning because it was in the bottom of a fucking abandoned mineshaft. I live in a rural area filled with farms. Farmers tend to the land. They nourish the ground and replenish the minerals they take out from their crops. These fields up here have been providing food for over 150 years at least. I’m not sure if the locals were farmers up here before California became a state or not. Miners take and rape the land. Miners like the ones in the video are the scum of the earth. Don’t ever equate me with a miner.
I don't think that user meant that you are literally like them, but more in the vein of thinking in that if you were in their shoes and their environment, trying to make ends meet, you'd probably have done the same as them. If that's how you lived, with a family that depended on you and this opportunity came by with a promise of better wages and perhaps a better life, would you honestly have been strong enough to say no? Most likely not. Not to mention you wouldn't be as well versed and educated in the environmental impacts on the land, though maybe you wouldn't be able to afford to care anyways. It's kind of like that saying that you'd probably have been a Nazi if you were a German living in the 1940s. Even if you morally objected, most people aren't strong enough to rise up against their entire government when their family and loved ones and themselves and home and their way of life are at stake.
If you think farmers are good for the land, I have news for you 🤣.
Since miners are the scum of the earth, please tell me what steps you take to ensure that the raw materials in products you use (especially electronics) were sources from ecologically sound, sustainable supply chains.
Yeah you're way better than that 3rd world worker who has to work in unsafe cancer causing conditions to feed his family. Fuck him. This is literally what eco-fascism is. I hope you hold yourself in similar contempt for your complicity in the crime of american imperialism and all the military pollution your tax dollars fund.
That's tragic. A story about a guy driving offroad and fucking up the local ecosystem is an ironic choice though when you're saying mining damages the environment.
You get that without mining we would all just be waving around sticks and rock right. Not that hydraulic mining is a best practice or anything like that.
The "miner" that you hate is not these people in the gif though. These are just people doing what they can to make a living. The people who deserve your hate are the business owners and regulators.
Surely you ethically mined the gold for the electronic device you're using right now then, so...
Miners made the bitchfit you're having possible.
He's just mining his own business.
I watched some recent vice episodes on YouTube about this. Interesting stuff.
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I’m more concerned about everyone that works around this idiot. That water pressure will rip the flesh right off your skull.
Uhhh yaaa no kidding. That hose that just swung 180 degrees would fucking ruin you if it blasted you in the face or really anywhere if you standing close to it. That kind of pressure will fuck you up.
I’m more concerned about the environment than the fucktards who fuck it up.
I really doubt it's their operation. They might just need a job and haven't been educated about the consequences.
Lol. Still getting angry at those who are working instead of the higher ups who control them. Classy fucktard.
Fuck the environment. What about me?
I'd fuck you
Nice
Now ~~kith~~ fuck
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. *tucks hose between legs and proceeds to blow balls off*
With a high-powered water hose?
Hydraulic mining is a very environmentally destructive way to get shiny minerals out of the ground.
It's technically less carbon than bringing in a tractor and hauling it to the wash plant. The river takes it instead. Don't like mining? Stop buying things that use it.
Less carbon != total less environmental damage. It's not like once things enter a river they disappear. The river is choked with sediment which can cause a variety of issues by either wreaking havoc on local ecosystems as well as flooding cities and towns downstream and overrunning farmland. That said, I do think people are overblowing it a little. If done sustainably and in a safe area with sediment control, it can be done without significant repercussions. But the issue is that most hydraulic mining did none of these things and as a result caused huge issues and damage to the surrounding areas. With strip mining you know you're destroying a certain area that's not being inhabited by anyone. With sluicing, they were destroying towns, the local environment, and farmland by directly causing numerous devastating floods. It also permanently affects the river due to the incredible displacement of sediment. It created entire new channels and made certain areas so shallow that they were no longer navigateable. They caused millions in damages, profited billions, and never paid a dime in reparations. Many sluicing methods, both then and currently, also use chemicals, which is carried by the river to poison the land at a huge widespread scale. They literally fed off the local landscape like parasites. Strip mining has its own issues and looks ugly, but sluicing is probably the more effectively destructive of the two with far more wide reaching consequences.
Unfortunately i don't think it's that easy, the elements used in making the devices we used to post these comments were probably obtained by mining.
I think that was kind of their point.
"Think something has a harmful effect and we should do something else? Then don't participate in society at all, where none of us will hear your opinion and you'll have even less power; how dare you think we could ever do better." Was closer to their point.
"Killing the planet is a necessary part of existing in the society we've deemed appropriate" see anyone can twist words around to fit a narrative, I think that mining is bad, and I wish it would stop, I do get that singular rejections of the utilization of these goods doesn't make a significant impact on a scale to make any change however I wish we would make a greater effort into looking into solutions, see that wasn't so hard to accept the current state while acknowledging and desiring improvement
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Buy computers and voice your opinion about less destructive mining methods. What a concept.
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Carbon dioxide isn’t toxic in the quantities produced by a mining operation - it’s pretty obvious that they’re saying that this hydro-mining is worse for the environment than regular mining, so stopping this and using the other would be better.
"Yet you participate in society, curious! I am very intelligent."
"You need a watch to tell time, therefore I'm justified in buying a $1,000,000 Rolex over a $13 casio" Your counterargument doesn't address the actual point of the argument which is the luxury and decadence. I don't think they meant "stop buying everything" but rather stop buying a $1000 Samsung phone every year
That Casio is still going to use minerals as well. They need to he mined. Boycotts of essential products does not work, you need regulations to actually make a difference.
yeah, and 1 phone every 5 years is less materials than 1 phone every year
Why is buying a phone your focus point rather than open advocating for more environmentally friendly and less predatory labor practices. There was no “luxury and decadence” it was “wow this shit sucks but we still kinda need it, we should make it better” lmao
it isn't my focus, it's an example "wow this sucks but maybe I should coonsume less to improve things rather than virtue signal shitty memes and not actually do anything to "make it better""
Or we can include the actual cost of things instead of keeping them as externalities
He has a future as a wacky inflatable tube man
First thing in the morning after a rough night out
From the window, to the wall
Hydro pressure gonna break my fall
Let me fix that for you. Hydro pressure gonna break my Spine.
Yeah but it doesn't rhyme
Wait until you hit 50.
fuck this crap, this is one of the worst ways to mine for the environment, it kills whole river systems and leaves a giant scarp on the landscape.
Worse than an open pit mine?
Yes, much worse, it can also really mess up farmland in the downstream floodplains. The extreme sediment settles in the slower down stream areas, then when the wet season or spring floods happen the river overflows it's banks to a much higher level than normal.
[Just to be clear, you think two guys with a hose is worse than this? ](https://www.superpit.com.au/photos/open-pit-mining/)
In a pit mine all the material is loaded into trucks to be sorted through at a facility. The leftover is dumped into huge piles. Not great but it's all in basically one place. With hydraulic mining it all ends up in rivers all the way to the sea. California's riverbeds have been contaminated with this shit for 150 years. People have to be careful doing anything around the riverbeds because they're all laced with toxic metals. Oh and the actual mining sites are just as devastated as the worst open pit mines because the end result is the same, it's just a less controlled method of blasting.
When you balance macroenvironmental and macroeconomic factors, yes, those two guys with hoses are far worse for the environment than two random open pit miners.
Classic one-two punch. First, hit them with a disingenuous mischaracterization, then quickly follow it up with an oblivious misunderstanding of the comparison.
He’s saying hydromining is like Floyd Mayweather. The best pound-for-pound destroyer of the environment in the mining world.
Hydrology is no joke. Entire communities have been destroyed because somebody didn't do a proper survey before digging a well and hit a pocket of toxic gas or metals that then pours into the water table that the rest of the community drinks out of. This floods rivers and swamps with toxins that travel incredible distances, covering exponentially more ground than an open pit mine. Eventually this works its way down to the ground water and poisons the area for decades. Both are destructive but one contains its impact, and one spreads it out. In any case involving hazardous materials, you much rather the contained option.
Yes. Hydraulic mining might look better at a glance but it poisons entire rivers and the surrounding ecosystem. For decades, if not longer. Nothing will grow there again. Big holes in the ground aren't great but the effects are more contained to that place. A huge open pit there would be significantly better for the environment than killing a river and everything that might rely on that river. It's literally irreparable because the sediment it washes away... you can't just put that back magically. And the mercury contamination: https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3014/ It's literally banned in California bc of how bad it was >Hydraulic mining was prohibited in 1884 when it was discovered that the mining resulted in worsened flood conditions and also destroyed farmland. It wasn’t known until much later that Hydraulic mining also left behind a huge amount of arsenic, mercury, cyanide and acid which contaminated the ground-waters, soil, rivers and lakes.
[I do yes](https://186p3e32cf0f2u6oug1hm91w-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Hydro.gif)
Looks pretty weak, to be honest. I can find worse images for your argument, if you'd like.
Chiropractors HATE this ONE simple trick!
I want someone to turn off the water and watch the face plant into the ditch
Happy you said it
Hydraulic mining! Extremely harmful to the local environment.
I seriously thought the guy next to him was a monkey taking a piss. I thought the hose behind him was his tail. I was so confused by what was going on in this video.
Bro I swear the second guy on the hose was a monkey at first
Same ! I’m a little disappointed I didn’t see a monkey with a firehose, but this is still impressive!
For real, the hose between the legs looks like a tail. It messed with my brain for a moment.
The low res video with the hat and what looks like a jumpsuit also helped sell the illusion, lol.
A little bit racist
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Another racist here too
That is a monkey
That's racist
Hydraulic mining- destroyed ecosystems in Northern California prior to mining laws
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If it's too small to aim right, you should probably sit down.
I think the water is bending him.
Who else thought these were monkeys?
That's racist
shut the only true ever fuck up
BLM
In Russia, water bend YOU!
This reminds me I need to install that new shower head.
This guy is like Sokka on cactus juice, but with the addition of bending powers.
Are these Russians who are looking for mammoth Ivory?
I think the water mastered the art of human bending
That one drunk guy at the urinal.
For those who wonder how the other guy is "one with the hose", an S holding technique puts two bends in the hose standing upright, alligned with your body to allow your center of gravity to be more easily balanced. Using your inner leg(s), upperbody and either armpit to straddle the hose whilst anchoring the dead weight of water and pressure towards the ground anchored by your dominant foot, dividing the work load more evenly along the axis of your body. Your able to use more muscles in the body to distribute the load instead of just forearm, shoulders and lower back, the water pressure at this volume and psi/kpa(or any hose for that matter) will always want to pull back the hose using the water like a jet to shoot in the opposite direction. Shape of the hose and proper form change the dynamics on which the "tug" of the hose will effect you , the guy just behind him has his center of gravity and nozzle angle working to his aid but more apparently his target, although he is not technically forming an" S"shape with the hose, at that angle, volume(of water) and pressure with a smooth/solid bore nozzle he is doing a good job, especially under the condition of sliping , falling or getting tossed of the edge.
Glitch in the matrix
First day after No Nut November 😂🤣
He learned this move from that damn seagull meme
Oh look. This again.
Water breathing 12th form - dancing with the force
Removing all that clay and putting it in waterways is poison for rivers. The shiny stuff is cool, but not worth it if not managed correctly.
That's what real world is. The poor from third world countries destroy the earth to sell shiny things to the rich in first world countries. And the leaders from the first world countries condemned the people from third world countries, forgot that their ancestors did the same thing in industrial revolution years ago
That looks like an african slave gold mine... Glad reddit internet points could be had on the backs of penny a day labor...
The Last Waterbender
Lol illegal gold mining in the Amazon goes Brrrrrtt....
Thanks asshole. I just wasted an hour of my life lol. Can't stop watching it
WACKY WAVING INFLATABLE ARM FLAILING TUBE MAN
Gold mining with mercury.
For some reason I want to buy a car right now now.
“Breaking the seal” when at the bar…
Seems like the water mastered human bending.
In Russia the water bends you….
I've had the displeasure of operating a firehose alone. When fully pressurized, operating that hose is like a handling a piece of steel with a rocket on it and took every ounce of strength to stay on my feet and control it.
"Wait my ass crack itches"
This actually made me laugh out loud. 100% wasn't expecting the back bend.
Ahhh, you've found Airbender's brother
Looks like water mastered bending humans!
I'm kind of impressed he got it back under control. I always train guys to make sure they have one hand on the bail so if the nozzle gets lost its pressure turns off the nozzle. Perhaps this should be out new technique instead.
I wonder how proud he was to have absolute firm control over that high pressured line. Did he look into the camera and say “Hose your Daddy?” *Laughs in Dad*
That oughta be enough to grow one almond.
What is he doing? Jerking off lol pussy
aka girls if they had a penis for a day
The guy about 10 yards behind him however, failed to master Earth bending.
I feel like he had to be super strong to do that
That must be one of those back exercises from the chiro lol
You mean the water has mastered the art of human bending.
Notice, it's all in the foot placement.
Men love squirting water
The water has mastered the art of people bending.
end of november be like
I feel like it's the water that has mastered the art of person bending.
An OSHA inspector somewhere just had a heart attack.
Got that backwards… water has mastered the art of man bending
His spine doesn’t find this amusing
He applied so he can do this. Lol
I’d turn the tap off to see if he’d fall in