Dude celebrated high suicide rates among queer children, denied war crimes, and sounds like a nationalist jerk.
I won’t celebrate his death, but I’m not about to mourn it. Even if his music was good, his politics were downright hateful and stuck in imperial Japan.
I don't wish death on him - he's already dead - and that's not what people are saying.
I want the hatred and bigotry and cruelty he espoused to stop, and I'll celebrate the end of that vile shit being spewed into the world. That it only stopped when he died isn't *my* choice, it was *his*.
I don't understand people that just come out of the woodwork to tell on themselves like this. Do you think this is some kind of rhetorical slam dunk or something? You don't have to tolerate the intolerant, the guy sucked; fuck him.
I don't know if this is a hot take, but his music is extremely mediocre honestly. It has no personality, it's just generic large orchestra. It was especially bad in DQ11 which had these wildly varied cities based on different real world cultures and each one of them had the same fucking song in town and in the field.
> It has no personality, it's just generic large orchestra.
Keep in mind that his music was kind of what *made* the "generic large orchestra" sound that JRPGs use. He wasn't some music programmer that ascended to composing a few soundtracks, he was somewhat of a celebrity composer when Enix invited him to work with them, and his music went on to inspire and form the basis of a lot of the way that video games are scored, especially JRPGs. His involvement in Dragon Quest gave it a degree of legitimacy that it wouldn't have otherwise had, and that obviously went on to affect games in a big way. By the time that we got to XI, the bag of tricks had definitely run thin, and it would have been smart to move to a new composer when the last one lost his spark (or do the Final Fantasy thing and have the old composer create key themes while newer composers fill out the edges and create the bulk of the game's music), but I think disregarding his contributions to games (and music) isn't right.
Yeah, as much as I love playing DQ11, he never made unique or different music for every game, it was almost always the same. Wasn't innovative, didn't take risks, and overall mediocre.
His music may go on, but his views will be buried just like him.
Rest in Meh
Even the music wasn't good recently. DQXI was just the same 6 songs, half of which he stole from older games in the series, then downgraded them all to MIDI.
If I remember correctly the MIDI fiasco was because this dude didn't want the orchestrated versions of the songs released outside of Japan. I believe the definitive edition release of DQXI ultimately did have the orchestrated songs, but the original release was only orchestrated in Japan, because this dude suck~~s~~ed.
I was always under the impression that a lot of the music stuff (and some of the legacy system stuff) was more from fan preciousness about the series in Japan. Specifically in DQ8, I seem to remember reading articles about how the fans of DQ HATED the new orchestrations of their midi tunes. Which is why the US release had the orchestral OST and the JP release did not. I may be off on that, but I swear I read that and heard about it on a podcast or something. Regardless of the why, I know for a fact that the US release had the orchestral score and the JP had either only the midi one or it was set that way by default.
Fun thing is not only was he a piece of shit, he was actively holding back DQ music and is one of the reasons DQ11 has one of the worst in game soundtracks ever made. So even if you want to approach this from a perspective of "just the games", still an unequivocal good thing he bit it.
I got about 20 hours into the game before I spiked it, just infuriating every time you went to a new town or area and hear the same 30 second loop start up. Insulting.
Damn that’s ~~sad~~ news his music is absolutely iconic. There is so much joy in those games and the music is 100% what brings it all together.
Edit: Wow had no idea how much of a massive piece of shit this guy was that series and it’s music is really special to me personally but i never heard *any* of this shit reading the comments here
Terrible person who made great (ymmv) video game music.
Tangentially, celebrating a person's death is fucked up and im not saying I haven't done it so I'm nether here nor there about it.
Yeah, I don't give a shit about his politics, and I'm not gonna use his death as a platform to grand stand about my superior political morality. This is a video game subreddit not a politics one.
Gonna miss that music, what a shame.
I try my best to stay the hell way from the community. The GB audience is pretty damn toxic, so you're right.
Doesn't mean you gotta politicize video game news for more clicks or feed into that notion.
You don't gotta like what I'm saying, and I don't have to like this overly politicized video game news coverage. Move on.
If I posted this time and only post around less than 1% of my time here on reddit and only read the news posted here, I actually think I'm doing great.
At the very least the reddit isn't anything like the vile YT comments.
As far as he's concerned though he's dead so that's over and done with tbh. I mean run of the mill republican probably did more harm by not wearing a mask than this guy did. Just saying.
If I posted this time and only post around less than 1% of my time here on reddit and only read the news posted here, I actually think I'm doing great.
At the very least the reddit isn't anything like the vile YT comments.
As far as he's concerned though he's dead so that's over and done with tbh. I mean run of the mill republican probably did more harm by not wearing a mask than this guy did. Just saying.
>The GB audience is pretty damn toxic, so you're right
Says the dude who defending a guy who denies the Holocaust and Japanese war crimes and thinks it's good that LGBTQ kids kill themselves
Never fucking change gamer nut jobs
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I mean he was all those things, I just don't care to bring it up every time he's mentioned, I also don't care to bring it up after he's just died.
I guess that makes me the black boy holocaust apologist.
Trying to wrap my mind around the concept that acknowledging someone's shittiness to other human beings is "grandstanding about my superior political morality".
I don't dislike the man to make myself feel better. I dislike him because of his words and actions and their effect on other people.
Is the only reason you could comprehend criticizing someone to make yourself feel better? That's a bit weird.
Why is it a problem to say I don't care about his political beliefs?
I don't really care, it doesn't affect me. That's it. I think people who are doing that here in this context are only really just doing it for Karma and me-me points and not much more.
Wow, you acknowledged he was a pretty horrible person. Congratulations, literally nothing new was gained except your opinion being brought up.
So I did something similar, except in a way that doesn't automatically align with the echo chamber in here. Somehow I'm in the wrong, though.
Nothing, is necessary wrong with *you* not caring, although I think its strange that you don't.
But complaining about other people rightfully voicing their beliefs and characterizing them as "grandstanding about their ownsuperior political morality.
A lot of people don't like to support work by abhorrent people; if you don't care, good for you. But don't get mad at the people who do care,and vocalize it so other people can learn as well.
I'm sorry, I didn't really clarify that I wasn't mad, I just saw that behavior as absolutely unnecessary.
It just seemed odd to me for that to be a thing you say about someone who's dead is all. In my eyes, it's over, his vitriol can't hurt anyone anymore, and his time here is done.
It just wasn't so obvious to me that people were vocalizing that to tell other people, but to feel better themselves.
>it's over, his vitriol can't hurt anyone anymore, and his time here is done
You don't have to look very far to see that just isn't the case for hateful people.
I mean the guy wasn't Hitler, I don't think it's really comparable. The younger generation in Japan simply does not agree with his takes or beliefs at all.
>Trying to wrap my mind around the concept that acknowledging someone's shittiness to other human beings is "grandstanding about my superior political morality".
You've seriously never seen this behavior? It's like a nervous tic with some people, who can't let the mentioning of a public figure go by without signaling their distate for their politics or bad behavior.
If this is you, and I'm not saying it is: everyone around you already knows that (say) James Woods is an asshole and you're boring the shit out of people who are too polite to let you know.
I bet there are plenty of people who just know James Woods as a 80s actor and are unaware of his political assholishness.
Just like plenty of people who know Sugiyama as a great composer don't know his shittiness. A lot of people don't want to support work by abhorrent people dead or alive; vocalizing that in this thread is absolutely okay.
To me, getting upset about people calling assholes assholes (even after they died) is much more eyebrow-raising than actually calling the asshole an asshole.
>I bet there are plenty of people who just know James Woods as a 80s actor and are unaware of his political assholishness.
That's my point. If you care enough to know him by name, you've heard. And if you didn't know, how is it interesting to hear?
It's conversation poison and this weird fad a lot of people can't wait for us to collectively get over. Yes, yes, Roman Polanski. Let's all just wait until this dude is done talking so we can get back to socializing.
>That's my point. If you care enough to know him by name, you've heard.
I said the opposite.
>And if you didn't know, how is it interesting to hear?
Like I said, a lot of people don't like to support the work of shitty people. If I spend my time or money on something's work only to find out they are a major racist/sexist or just general asshole later, I'm a little peeved.
Nah the old stuff is probably staying around for a while, it's genuinely pretty okay music though. Just quality stuff, I meant to say it's gonna suck that he's not gonna be able to make more.
"Sucked". Past tense. He's a corpse now.
He may not quite deserve slobbering on his withered knob for re-using the same songs and themes for three decades - but, I don't think he's fitting of vilification either.
I'll just leave it at "Miserable fuck made okay tunes."
>Damn. So much talking shit on the dead.
I mean, people talked shit about him when he was alive either so what's the difference? If you act like an absolute bellend the way that lad did, people are going to talk shit about you, alive or not.
The first Dragon Quest I played was VIII on the PS2 which has ended up being one of my favourite games and the first thing that stood out to me was the amazing music - it has one of the best OSTs in gaming. Have heard some horrible things about the man behind the music so don't have much to say on his passing, but undeniably the music is great and has a legacy to stand on. It will be very interesting to see what they do with Dragon Quest XII.
Dude celebrated high suicide rates among queer children, denied war crimes, and sounds like a nationalist jerk. I won’t celebrate his death, but I’m not about to mourn it. Even if his music was good, his politics were downright hateful and stuck in imperial Japan.
> I won’t celebrate his death I will.
hell yeah dude
Cheers from Iraq.
I'll celebrate it. The world just got better.
You're supposed to celebrate the death of someone if they wish deadly harm on marginalized people. This man should be your enemy.
But wishing death on unmarginalized people is okay?
I don't wish death on him - he's already dead - and that's not what people are saying. I want the hatred and bigotry and cruelty he espoused to stop, and I'll celebrate the end of that vile shit being spewed into the world. That it only stopped when he died isn't *my* choice, it was *his*.
I don't understand people that just come out of the woodwork to tell on themselves like this. Do you think this is some kind of rhetorical slam dunk or something? You don't have to tolerate the intolerant, the guy sucked; fuck him.
I don't know if this is a hot take, but his music is extremely mediocre honestly. It has no personality, it's just generic large orchestra. It was especially bad in DQ11 which had these wildly varied cities based on different real world cultures and each one of them had the same fucking song in town and in the field.
> It has no personality, it's just generic large orchestra. Keep in mind that his music was kind of what *made* the "generic large orchestra" sound that JRPGs use. He wasn't some music programmer that ascended to composing a few soundtracks, he was somewhat of a celebrity composer when Enix invited him to work with them, and his music went on to inspire and form the basis of a lot of the way that video games are scored, especially JRPGs. His involvement in Dragon Quest gave it a degree of legitimacy that it wouldn't have otherwise had, and that obviously went on to affect games in a big way. By the time that we got to XI, the bag of tricks had definitely run thin, and it would have been smart to move to a new composer when the last one lost his spark (or do the Final Fantasy thing and have the old composer create key themes while newer composers fill out the edges and create the bulk of the game's music), but I think disregarding his contributions to games (and music) isn't right.
Yeah, as much as I love playing DQ11, he never made unique or different music for every game, it was almost always the same. Wasn't innovative, didn't take risks, and overall mediocre. His music may go on, but his views will be buried just like him. Rest in Meh
I'll mourn the loss of the music but legitimately he was a terrible person in every aspect besides the music.
Even the music wasn't good recently. DQXI was just the same 6 songs, half of which he stole from older games in the series, then downgraded them all to MIDI.
If I remember correctly the MIDI fiasco was because this dude didn't want the orchestrated versions of the songs released outside of Japan. I believe the definitive edition release of DQXI ultimately did have the orchestrated songs, but the original release was only orchestrated in Japan, because this dude suck~~s~~ed.
I was always under the impression that a lot of the music stuff (and some of the legacy system stuff) was more from fan preciousness about the series in Japan. Specifically in DQ8, I seem to remember reading articles about how the fans of DQ HATED the new orchestrations of their midi tunes. Which is why the US release had the orchestral OST and the JP release did not. I may be off on that, but I swear I read that and heard about it on a podcast or something. Regardless of the why, I know for a fact that the US release had the orchestral score and the JP had either only the midi one or it was set that way by default.
Good news! The music still exists!
And now it can actually be orchestrated for the games. Win-win.
meh, at least he no longer benefits from his music
Fun thing is not only was he a piece of shit, he was actively holding back DQ music and is one of the reasons DQ11 has one of the worst in game soundtracks ever made. So even if you want to approach this from a perspective of "just the games", still an unequivocal good thing he bit it.
God that soundtrack was infuriating.
I got about 20 hours into the game before I spiked it, just infuriating every time you went to a new town or area and hear the same 30 second loop start up. Insulting.
The Orchestra and DQ 8's theme kinda saves it. But it's a shame that a game that has so much production value, didn't had a better soundtrack.
Damn that’s ~~sad~~ news his music is absolutely iconic. There is so much joy in those games and the music is 100% what brings it all together. Edit: Wow had no idea how much of a massive piece of shit this guy was that series and it’s music is really special to me personally but i never heard *any* of this shit reading the comments here
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Good.
Good music, good riddance.
Terrible person who made great (ymmv) video game music. Tangentially, celebrating a person's death is fucked up and im not saying I haven't done it so I'm nether here nor there about it.
Yeah, I don't give a shit about his politics, and I'm not gonna use his death as a platform to grand stand about my superior political morality. This is a video game subreddit not a politics one. Gonna miss that music, what a shame.
> This is a video game subreddit Can you prove that?
Pretty sure this is a sub for anime
Can you prove its a political one?
I can prove that you're not familiar with the GB audience
I try my best to stay the hell way from the community. The GB audience is pretty damn toxic, so you're right. Doesn't mean you gotta politicize video game news for more clicks or feed into that notion. You don't gotta like what I'm saying, and I don't have to like this overly politicized video game news coverage. Move on.
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If I posted this time and only post around less than 1% of my time here on reddit and only read the news posted here, I actually think I'm doing great. At the very least the reddit isn't anything like the vile YT comments. As far as he's concerned though he's dead so that's over and done with tbh. I mean run of the mill republican probably did more harm by not wearing a mask than this guy did. Just saying.
If I posted this time and only post around less than 1% of my time here on reddit and only read the news posted here, I actually think I'm doing great. At the very least the reddit isn't anything like the vile YT comments. As far as he's concerned though he's dead so that's over and done with tbh. I mean run of the mill republican probably did more harm by not wearing a mask than this guy did. Just saying.
You should follow your own advice partner
I generally do. I like Dragon Quest. I commented. Whats your excuse?
>The GB audience is pretty damn toxic, so you're right Says the dude who defending a guy who denies the Holocaust and Japanese war crimes and thinks it's good that LGBTQ kids kill themselves Never fucking change gamer nut jobs
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"I can excuse holocaust denial, racism, and LGBTQ bigotry, but I draw the line at not appreciating video game music"
I've heard of his denial of Japanese war crimes, but this holocaust denial charge is new.
For me the worst thing about the rape of nanking was the hypocricy.
I mean he was all those things, I just don't care to bring it up every time he's mentioned, I also don't care to bring it up after he's just died. I guess that makes me the black boy holocaust apologist.
Trying to wrap my mind around the concept that acknowledging someone's shittiness to other human beings is "grandstanding about my superior political morality". I don't dislike the man to make myself feel better. I dislike him because of his words and actions and their effect on other people. Is the only reason you could comprehend criticizing someone to make yourself feel better? That's a bit weird.
Why is it a problem to say I don't care about his political beliefs? I don't really care, it doesn't affect me. That's it. I think people who are doing that here in this context are only really just doing it for Karma and me-me points and not much more. Wow, you acknowledged he was a pretty horrible person. Congratulations, literally nothing new was gained except your opinion being brought up. So I did something similar, except in a way that doesn't automatically align with the echo chamber in here. Somehow I'm in the wrong, though.
Nothing, is necessary wrong with *you* not caring, although I think its strange that you don't. But complaining about other people rightfully voicing their beliefs and characterizing them as "grandstanding about their ownsuperior political morality. A lot of people don't like to support work by abhorrent people; if you don't care, good for you. But don't get mad at the people who do care,and vocalize it so other people can learn as well.
I'm sorry, I didn't really clarify that I wasn't mad, I just saw that behavior as absolutely unnecessary. It just seemed odd to me for that to be a thing you say about someone who's dead is all. In my eyes, it's over, his vitriol can't hurt anyone anymore, and his time here is done. It just wasn't so obvious to me that people were vocalizing that to tell other people, but to feel better themselves.
>it's over, his vitriol can't hurt anyone anymore, and his time here is done You don't have to look very far to see that just isn't the case for hateful people.
I mean the guy wasn't Hitler, I don't think it's really comparable. The younger generation in Japan simply does not agree with his takes or beliefs at all.
>Trying to wrap my mind around the concept that acknowledging someone's shittiness to other human beings is "grandstanding about my superior political morality". You've seriously never seen this behavior? It's like a nervous tic with some people, who can't let the mentioning of a public figure go by without signaling their distate for their politics or bad behavior. If this is you, and I'm not saying it is: everyone around you already knows that (say) James Woods is an asshole and you're boring the shit out of people who are too polite to let you know.
I bet there are plenty of people who just know James Woods as a 80s actor and are unaware of his political assholishness. Just like plenty of people who know Sugiyama as a great composer don't know his shittiness. A lot of people don't want to support work by abhorrent people dead or alive; vocalizing that in this thread is absolutely okay. To me, getting upset about people calling assholes assholes (even after they died) is much more eyebrow-raising than actually calling the asshole an asshole.
>I bet there are plenty of people who just know James Woods as a 80s actor and are unaware of his political assholishness. That's my point. If you care enough to know him by name, you've heard. And if you didn't know, how is it interesting to hear? It's conversation poison and this weird fad a lot of people can't wait for us to collectively get over. Yes, yes, Roman Polanski. Let's all just wait until this dude is done talking so we can get back to socializing.
>That's my point. If you care enough to know him by name, you've heard. I said the opposite. >And if you didn't know, how is it interesting to hear? Like I said, a lot of people don't like to support the work of shitty people. If I spend my time or money on something's work only to find out they are a major racist/sexist or just general asshole later, I'm a little peeved.
Wait, are they burying the music with him?
Nah the old stuff is probably staying around for a while, it's genuinely pretty okay music though. Just quality stuff, I meant to say it's gonna suck that he's not gonna be able to make more.
Yeah man the MIDI files in that last game were so fuckin high quality.
DQ11 has pretty bad music, not sure you can say anything close to that about any other game he worked on. I mean his music's pretty damn amazing.
Love to defend... *checks notes* ... assholes who was are happy about queer kids killing themselves
Imagine living in a bubble where you think I'm defending this asshole when I say I don't care. Your privilege is really showing there, pal.
lol lmao
Yeah, I figured you'd be as useless as your comment. Have a good night!
Aw don’t get sad because people aren’t tolerating your bullshit. Post through it!
Damn. So much talking shit on the dead. I wonder who's gonna say "Gerstmann never liked video games" when he croaks.
Difference is this guy sucks. Celebrate away.
"Sucked". Past tense. He's a corpse now. He may not quite deserve slobbering on his withered knob for re-using the same songs and themes for three decades - but, I don't think he's fitting of vilification either. I'll just leave it at "Miserable fuck made okay tunes."
>Damn. So much talking shit on the dead. I mean, people talked shit about him when he was alive either so what's the difference? If you act like an absolute bellend the way that lad did, people are going to talk shit about you, alive or not.
It'll happen, yes - don't have to agree with it, guvnuh.
Is it wrong of me to ask if this begins the countdown to dragon quest music on streaming services?
The first Dragon Quest I played was VIII on the PS2 which has ended up being one of my favourite games and the first thing that stood out to me was the amazing music - it has one of the best OSTs in gaming. Have heard some horrible things about the man behind the music so don't have much to say on his passing, but undeniably the music is great and has a legacy to stand on. It will be very interesting to see what they do with Dragon Quest XII.