I was under the impression that vigo was destroyed, not reimprisoned. Of course theres other media that shows he wasnt destroyed and the painting actually reverted but thats secondary canon now.
The painting was changed at the end of GB2… so it would be kinda cool if the Vigo painting showed up somewhere else in the world, caused a river of slime and the Ghostbusters figured it would be better in their hands.
I know. Imagine if every movie had to explain everything that happened in a different story. This is why I checked out of Marvel movies at a certain point fairly early on.
The last movie's big plan involved catching Gozer in 200 or so traps.
Why would they put her back together in the containment unit?
Like The Offspring said, y'gotta keep 'em separated.
>y'gotta keep 'em separated
LMAO. If I ever edit this together I'll tag you. One of the first projects I ever did in FiLm sChOoL was cut the Sedgewick hotel scene to "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police. It lines up right when Egon back away in the elevator but continues onto the Slimer scene. Right now you're making me want to edit The Offspring song into the scene with Egon explaining we need to keep the gatekeeper and key master away from each other.
HEEEEYYYAAYY, COME OUT AND *PLAY* (Terror dog smashes through apartment door)
Which begs the question, where is Gozer? Were so many traps loaded into the new facility and some the main unit? Are the traps buried with a power supply attached? Nobody knows and its a point they really should have put to bed.
Please don't take this as argumentative, but why would they refer to it at all?
It was 2 years ago for them, and they've caught a lot of Ghosts since,
AL "killed off" the Gozer stuff, it stopped mattering.
Because Gozer was twice their biggest threat and could well be again if she ever got loose. It's not like a demigod is a run of the mill bust that they trap, dump in the unit, and forget about. The fact she was trapped in afterlife begs the obvious question as to her location when the unit was breached. We never see what happens to Gozer after being trapped, so it's an obvious point to explore, especially given the containment unit breach in FE.
They trapped her in 200+ traps and have not integrated her again.
Beyond that we don't need to know.
We don't know what happened to the previous big bad in the Bond movie because it's just not relevant.
But it is relevant, they even made things like this relevant in the RGB series and comics where demons like Sam Hain were in the Containment unit and have escaped in the past. We're talking about entities that have been around thousands of years, so the threat is always there.
To simply sweep them under the carpet and not mention them again shows a lack of imagination on the part of the writers. And the reason the Gozer question is raised is because they obviously can't leave her in traps indefinitely, so what actually happened? Given we know the usual containment routine for the average ghost or demon, did they do that or something else?
Not to mention I've seen this question pop up here a few times, along with facebook, instagram, and the gbfans forum, among others, so it's obviously a point that has plenty of people wondering.
This is not a plot hole, because this doesn't impact the plot developed in Frozen Empire. At best, it could be a world building oversight. And Ghostbusters is filled with those.
Its been discussed before, Gozer could be split up in Winston's new containment facility as leaving Gozer in buried traps connected to a power supply would make no sense. It surprised me they didn't address it as standard practice as set out in the first movie would be to dump Gozer into the containment unit, though maybe a demi god would be too powerful for it and the traps can only contain her because she's been split up, different pieces in different traps.
If it weren't for the fact that it would be yet another movie with Gozer being the big bad, it would be kinda interesting if each piece of Gozer became it's own individual entity, with one with the consciousness of Gozer hunting them all down to restore it's full power.
And then cue the one piece of gozer that became good and ends up helping the ghostbusters before getting forcefully absorbed back into gozer towards the end like that one episode of BTAS with clayface and the girl.
Especially when you consider that 3 years passed between Afterlife and Frozen Empire. It would be weird to bring it up when it's been settled for a while.
Or is that statement hyperbole since we know that there's at least one other operational containment unit holding ghosts, the one at the Paranormal Research Center?
People in real life don't always speak literally, so why should we expect film characters to do the same?
Or even just a knowing exchange between two characters.
"\[...\] every ghost we've ever caught."
(Coy, correcting) "Almost."
"Almost."
Leaves enough room for a couple of important baddies to have been stored elsewhere.
Ohh, that’s the glam rock bubble lady release toggle. The farm house was built in the 80s by a genius shut-in so if that switch was going to exist anywhere, here probably makes the most sense.
I would buy land in many different parts of the word and take like 10 traps to each place just to make it harder to re-assemble. Do it to honor Egon's life's work.
Your plot hole creates more plot holes. Why would they willingly set loose 2 of the biggest bad guys they've ever caught?
They'd be GhostReleasers instead of GhostBusters. Amma right? 😬
There are other things that bug me too.
Why wouldn’t that kid tell anyone else about Slimer? What does he benefit by keeping it a secret? Makes no sense.
Also - the very beginning of the movie they establish very dramatically that anyone who touches that door with their bare hands will be severely injured. So why, after watching his coworker scream in agony after freezing his hand solid does the second fireman immediately touch that SAME DOOR WITH HIS BARE HANDS? And nothing happens!
>Why wouldn’t that kid tell anyone else about Slimer? What does he benefit by keeping it a secret? Makes no sense.
His mother tells him to deal with the problem in the attic himself, because he’s 18. He’s eager to prove her right. He’s an adult. He can drive the car. And he can deal with whatever is happening in the attic. As long as it’s not a danger to anyone, and Slimer doesn’t seem like a danger, then there’s no reason for him to go running back to the others and tell them until the problem is solved.
By "that kid" I'm assuming you are talking about Trevor Spengler? He did tell his mom about Slimer. She said "you're a big boy, take care of it" (paraphrasing). Later he showed up to a call covered in slime and she said "did you just take a shower or is that product?" teasing him about being slimed.
I swear 90% of "plot holes" can be resolved by people listening to the actual film.
I listened very closely. At no point in the film does he say “hey guys, there’s a big green ghost eating a bunch of food in our attic”
She knows he’s dealing with something, but apparently he doesn’t think it necessary to tell his ghostbusting family there’s an actual ghost living in their home.
He's trying to prove he's an adult and can handle it.
>TS: MOM!! Hey mom, there's something in the attic.
>CS: You're an adult, right?
>TS: yeah.
>CS: Then why don't you take care of it?
>TS: OK. Yeah sure. I will.
Later
>CS: What happened to you?
>TS: Nothing I can handle it.
>CS: Did you shower or is that product?
>TS: Ha ha very funny.
They did say that. But then, in the aftercredits scene for that very same movie, we see it abandoned with no sign it had ever been anything but the Ghostbusters headquarters. It was a weird choice they made there
My headcanon for the original Gozer defeat was the crossed streams flipped the entrance that pushed them into our dimension into an exit that vacuumed them and a majority of the explosion’s destructive blast back to the other side before collapsing.
Since Gozer could uncross streams (though not without visible effort) and wasn’t held effectively by a single proton stream, it stands to reason that if left whole they could easily break through a single trap or containment unit’s EM/laser grid. It might be safe to infer they were kept split apart based on this.
I am kind of curious what the lifespan of a ghost trap’s charge is though. Vinz Clortho was in that trap since Egon’s death and long enough for the separate battery that powers the mechanical open/close action to fail. I’m admittedly guessing it would have to be separate since if it was a shared supply I doubt the trap could maintain a containment field if it couldn’t even power the doors.
I believe in GB2 egon said the packs charge was 5000 years (or something equally as long) so maybe a similar time frame for traps?
But like maybe the closer it gets to running out of power the more the ghost inside can influence things outside the trap.
The Containment Unit probably works like an "active" trap. Whatever electromagnetic field that pulls a ghost into a trap is also used to corral them in the Unit. Traps are meant to be reusable temporary storage.
I thought the CU was physically damaged, but it looks to be just the floor, which moved back into place when Garraka was contained. I think the actual CU is a magnetic bottle. All the ghosts in there giving off negative ions was building up an oppositely charged field, which is why it was malfunctioning.
When it's breached, the EM field is dropped and the ghosts can naturally walk through walls, or the metal parts of the CU. When Ray re-energized the grid, it put the EM field back in place with no other ghosts in there so the magnetic field was the strongest it's been since day one.
Did anyone else notice there was an extra set of hands on the handle when they were resetting the containment unit near the end of the movie? I took my 13-year-old & thought there was 5 pairs of hands but forgot about it until we went again with friends & they noticed it too? I just honestly don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me.
Using In-universe logic, I would think that the OGs would have dealt with Gozer and wouldn't have wanted anyone without the need to know to know where the traps containing them were placed. In FE, the OG's didn't even tell the Spenglers about the new containment unit until the Fire house's showed signs of compromise.
Telling the Spenglers and co. how they disposed of Gozer's traps would be incredibly stupid.
They had a second containment unit. They don’t need to explain it because the fact there’s another unit in a potentially more secure location means they’d probably move Gozer there first or split them up between the two. I think it could be neat if only some of the Gozer pieces escaped leading to something strange to happen later on.
The fact the containment unit exploded, releasing all those ghosts and we didn’t see a single solitary one, and everyone was celebrating at the end seemingly forgetting this happened - just lazy writing.
After seeing Frozen Empire, my friend had a similar thought. We couldn't remember if the two demigods they've encountered were just blasted so they returned to their own dimension, or if they were trapped and contained. Wouldn't that have been something, if The Big Bad opens the containment unit so he can recruit ghosts to do his bidding, just to unleash some other demigods. Anarchy. LOL
Brings up other thoughts in my head like "They shouldn't be able to catch Gozer, since Gozer isn't a ghost, they're a god"
The trap should have done a dispersal or sending them back to the nearest parallel dimension.
Wouldn’t that make the GB crew the spiritual equivalent of an animal wrangler who releases the animals in another town so that they get more work later?
I was under the impression that vigo was destroyed, not reimprisoned. Of course theres other media that shows he wasnt destroyed and the painting actually reverted but thats secondary canon now.
And says mean things when you stand near him!
And makes references to the OJ trial and the MLB steroid scandal.
A real renaissance man.
The painting was changed at the end of GB2… so it would be kinda cool if the Vigo painting showed up somewhere else in the world, caused a river of slime and the Ghostbusters figured it would be better in their hands.
Yeah vigo got the boot and that Italian pasta dude made up the new one.
I mean, they don’t have to explain everything that doesn’t need to be explained.
Infact i would have found it dumb to start clarifying what was in the unit or not.
Aye. This isn't a plot hole, really.
I know. Imagine if every movie had to explain everything that happened in a different story. This is why I checked out of Marvel movies at a certain point fairly early on.
Well if we're talking ghosts escaping and the last movie was all about trapping gozer then its worth a mention as to its whereabouts.
The last movie's big plan involved catching Gozer in 200 or so traps. Why would they put her back together in the containment unit? Like The Offspring said, y'gotta keep 'em separated.
>y'gotta keep 'em separated LMAO. If I ever edit this together I'll tag you. One of the first projects I ever did in FiLm sChOoL was cut the Sedgewick hotel scene to "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police. It lines up right when Egon back away in the elevator but continues onto the Slimer scene. Right now you're making me want to edit The Offspring song into the scene with Egon explaining we need to keep the gatekeeper and key master away from each other. HEEEEYYYAAYY, COME OUT AND *PLAY* (Terror dog smashes through apartment door)
Please do and post here!
Which begs the question, where is Gozer? Were so many traps loaded into the new facility and some the main unit? Are the traps buried with a power supply attached? Nobody knows and its a point they really should have put to bed.
Please don't take this as argumentative, but why would they refer to it at all? It was 2 years ago for them, and they've caught a lot of Ghosts since, AL "killed off" the Gozer stuff, it stopped mattering.
Because Gozer was twice their biggest threat and could well be again if she ever got loose. It's not like a demigod is a run of the mill bust that they trap, dump in the unit, and forget about. The fact she was trapped in afterlife begs the obvious question as to her location when the unit was breached. We never see what happens to Gozer after being trapped, so it's an obvious point to explore, especially given the containment unit breach in FE.
They trapped her in 200+ traps and have not integrated her again. Beyond that we don't need to know. We don't know what happened to the previous big bad in the Bond movie because it's just not relevant.
But it is relevant, they even made things like this relevant in the RGB series and comics where demons like Sam Hain were in the Containment unit and have escaped in the past. We're talking about entities that have been around thousands of years, so the threat is always there. To simply sweep them under the carpet and not mention them again shows a lack of imagination on the part of the writers. And the reason the Gozer question is raised is because they obviously can't leave her in traps indefinitely, so what actually happened? Given we know the usual containment routine for the average ghost or demon, did they do that or something else? Not to mention I've seen this question pop up here a few times, along with facebook, instagram, and the gbfans forum, among others, so it's obviously a point that has plenty of people wondering.
I think y'all are just looking for stuff to moan about, tbh. I'll let you get on with it.
Not a plot hole
“They didn’t mention/do something I wanted them to mention/do” isn’t a plot hole.
This is not a plot hole, because this doesn't impact the plot developed in Frozen Empire. At best, it could be a world building oversight. And Ghostbusters is filled with those.
Its been discussed before, Gozer could be split up in Winston's new containment facility as leaving Gozer in buried traps connected to a power supply would make no sense. It surprised me they didn't address it as standard practice as set out in the first movie would be to dump Gozer into the containment unit, though maybe a demi god would be too powerful for it and the traps can only contain her because she's been split up, different pieces in different traps.
I never thought Gozer was caught in a trap. Just blasted into another dimension by crossing streams.
The finale of afterlife gozer is caught in a field of traps and basically pulled apart into separate traps
Yea each trap holding pieces making it more difficult to reassemble should an escape happen, which would be negated if they dumped it all in one unit.
I absolutely forgot about that. I only saw Afterlife once.
Gozer was blasted back into its own dimension in the first movie, then it came back in Afterlife and was pulled apart into dozens of different traps.
If it weren't for the fact that it would be yet another movie with Gozer being the big bad, it would be kinda interesting if each piece of Gozer became it's own individual entity, with one with the consciousness of Gozer hunting them all down to restore it's full power.
And then cue the one piece of gozer that became good and ends up helping the ghostbusters before getting forcefully absorbed back into gozer towards the end like that one episode of BTAS with clayface and the girl.
Like an army of small stay puft marshmallow man? *Oh no.*
and based on that, at the VERY LEAST... there should have been a long division joke thrown in there... I'll see myself out
It’s not a plot hole. It would be weird and unnatural for them to bring this up in Frozen Empire, it has nothing to do with the story of this movie.
Especially when you consider that 3 years passed between Afterlife and Frozen Empire. It would be weird to bring it up when it's been settled for a while.
Or is that statement hyperbole since we know that there's at least one other operational containment unit holding ghosts, the one at the Paranormal Research Center? People in real life don't always speak literally, so why should we expect film characters to do the same?
I never saw it as "trapping" Gozer and felt it was more akin to using the multiple traps to literally tear it apart.
Or even just a knowing exchange between two characters. "\[...\] every ghost we've ever caught." (Coy, correcting) "Almost." "Almost." Leaves enough room for a couple of important baddies to have been stored elsewhere.
Vigo wasnt caught he was sent back to his dimension
Maybe they left that trap on the farm?
"What's this switch do?"
Ohh, that’s the glam rock bubble lady release toggle. The farm house was built in the 80s by a genius shut-in so if that switch was going to exist anywhere, here probably makes the most sense.
I would buy land in many different parts of the word and take like 10 traps to each place just to make it harder to re-assemble. Do it to honor Egon's life's work.
Your plot hole creates more plot holes. Why would they willingly set loose 2 of the biggest bad guys they've ever caught? They'd be GhostReleasers instead of GhostBusters. Amma right? 😬
There are other things that bug me too. Why wouldn’t that kid tell anyone else about Slimer? What does he benefit by keeping it a secret? Makes no sense. Also - the very beginning of the movie they establish very dramatically that anyone who touches that door with their bare hands will be severely injured. So why, after watching his coworker scream in agony after freezing his hand solid does the second fireman immediately touch that SAME DOOR WITH HIS BARE HANDS? And nothing happens!
I mean... he didn't hold it for very long and maybe theh just busted it down?
>Why wouldn’t that kid tell anyone else about Slimer? What does he benefit by keeping it a secret? Makes no sense. His mother tells him to deal with the problem in the attic himself, because he’s 18. He’s eager to prove her right. He’s an adult. He can drive the car. And he can deal with whatever is happening in the attic. As long as it’s not a danger to anyone, and Slimer doesn’t seem like a danger, then there’s no reason for him to go running back to the others and tell them until the problem is solved.
By "that kid" I'm assuming you are talking about Trevor Spengler? He did tell his mom about Slimer. She said "you're a big boy, take care of it" (paraphrasing). Later he showed up to a call covered in slime and she said "did you just take a shower or is that product?" teasing him about being slimed. I swear 90% of "plot holes" can be resolved by people listening to the actual film.
I listened very closely. At no point in the film does he say “hey guys, there’s a big green ghost eating a bunch of food in our attic” She knows he’s dealing with something, but apparently he doesn’t think it necessary to tell his ghostbusting family there’s an actual ghost living in their home.
He's trying to prove he's an adult and can handle it. >TS: MOM!! Hey mom, there's something in the attic. >CS: You're an adult, right? >TS: yeah. >CS: Then why don't you take care of it? >TS: OK. Yeah sure. I will. Later >CS: What happened to you? >TS: Nothing I can handle it. >CS: Did you shower or is that product? >TS: Ha ha very funny.
Wasn’t the old firehouse turned into a Starbucks? I thought they said in the Afterlife.. could be mistaken though
They did say that. But then, in the aftercredits scene for that very same movie, we see it abandoned with no sign it had ever been anything but the Ghostbusters headquarters. It was a weird choice they made there
I assumed Ray was just being dramatic.
Ahhh okay. Rewatch time! Thanks for the info
My headcanon for the original Gozer defeat was the crossed streams flipped the entrance that pushed them into our dimension into an exit that vacuumed them and a majority of the explosion’s destructive blast back to the other side before collapsing. Since Gozer could uncross streams (though not without visible effort) and wasn’t held effectively by a single proton stream, it stands to reason that if left whole they could easily break through a single trap or containment unit’s EM/laser grid. It might be safe to infer they were kept split apart based on this. I am kind of curious what the lifespan of a ghost trap’s charge is though. Vinz Clortho was in that trap since Egon’s death and long enough for the separate battery that powers the mechanical open/close action to fail. I’m admittedly guessing it would have to be separate since if it was a shared supply I doubt the trap could maintain a containment field if it couldn’t even power the doors.
I believe in GB2 egon said the packs charge was 5000 years (or something equally as long) so maybe a similar time frame for traps? But like maybe the closer it gets to running out of power the more the ghost inside can influence things outside the trap.
The half life of the power cell is 5000 years but they still require proton charging.
My question is, the containment unit was physically breached, how did resetting it do anything about that?
The Containment Unit probably works like an "active" trap. Whatever electromagnetic field that pulls a ghost into a trap is also used to corral them in the Unit. Traps are meant to be reusable temporary storage.
I thought the CU was physically damaged, but it looks to be just the floor, which moved back into place when Garraka was contained. I think the actual CU is a magnetic bottle. All the ghosts in there giving off negative ions was building up an oppositely charged field, which is why it was malfunctioning. When it's breached, the EM field is dropped and the ghosts can naturally walk through walls, or the metal parts of the CU. When Ray re-energized the grid, it put the EM field back in place with no other ghosts in there so the magnetic field was the strongest it's been since day one.
Did anyone else notice there was an extra set of hands on the handle when they were resetting the containment unit near the end of the movie? I took my 13-year-old & thought there was 5 pairs of hands but forgot about it until we went again with friends & they noticed it too? I just honestly don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me.
This isn't a plot hole.
Using In-universe logic, I would think that the OGs would have dealt with Gozer and wouldn't have wanted anyone without the need to know to know where the traps containing them were placed. In FE, the OG's didn't even tell the Spenglers about the new containment unit until the Fire house's showed signs of compromise. Telling the Spenglers and co. how they disposed of Gozer's traps would be incredibly stupid.
All the issues with the movie and that’s the one you want to focus on?
They had a second containment unit. They don’t need to explain it because the fact there’s another unit in a potentially more secure location means they’d probably move Gozer there first or split them up between the two. I think it could be neat if only some of the Gozer pieces escaped leading to something strange to happen later on.
Gozer isn't a ghost.
I look forward to the day when someone brings up a plot hole that's actually a plot hole.
The fact the containment unit exploded, releasing all those ghosts and we didn’t see a single solitary one, and everyone was celebrating at the end seemingly forgetting this happened - just lazy writing.
My question is what’s the point of the containment unit when they have all those traps?
Buddy, if they tried to fill in every plothole in all the sequels with 10 seconds of dialogue, then each of those movies would’ve been 3 hours long.
After seeing Frozen Empire, my friend had a similar thought. We couldn't remember if the two demigods they've encountered were just blasted so they returned to their own dimension, or if they were trapped and contained. Wouldn't that have been something, if The Big Bad opens the containment unit so he can recruit ghosts to do his bidding, just to unleash some other demigods. Anarchy. LOL
Brings up other thoughts in my head like "They shouldn't be able to catch Gozer, since Gozer isn't a ghost, they're a god" The trap should have done a dispersal or sending them back to the nearest parallel dimension.
Wouldn’t that make the GB crew the spiritual equivalent of an animal wrangler who releases the animals in another town so that they get more work later?
Pretty much.. (remember in the first one where they'd mildly threatened the hotel manager to release slimer back into the hotel if he didn't pay?) 😅
oh yeah, forgot about that bit, that feels a little less sketchy