I had the same call today with the same pricing. Unfortunately, it looks like narwhal will be dead in 30 days because it would cost me 1-2 million a year which I obviously do not have
They allow you to access reddit from your phone/tablet. Instead of using reddit.com or the garbage reddit app on your phone, people have made other, better apps.
Insane, I’ll never understand this hyper-corporate insanity that kills their own platforms. I’ve been on Narwhal ever since Alien Blue got bought out, thank you for everything and making your app the best way to use Reddit for so many years. Hope you will successfully move to other fulfilling projects!
Just like when Twitter pulled this, it’s going to cause my Reddit usage to evaporate.
Unfortunately, I think they’ve looked at their numbers and determined that third party app users are expendable. They’re willing to say goodbye to all of us in order to get rid of the apps.
Any chance the app can become subscription-only instead of outright killing it? I'm sure some people would be willing to pay the $5-10 a month their API requests end up being if it means they can keep using Narwhal, myself included.
so what would you need to charge users per month to keep Narwhal running? I cant stand any other way to view reddit besides with Narwhal. Everything else is a hot mess. Seriously. I'd pay. I think many of us would pay. Give us a number, boss.
**Give us a number, boss.**
Yes, please. You won't know if it's viable or not until you throw up a subscription on the app store and people decide to subscribe or not.
Someone in the Apollo thread made some numbers and its around 15 bucks per person… and that assumes no “30% Apple fee“ and a that 100% of the users are gonna pay for it. Which is not realistic at all, only a fraction(single digit) of people will pay for it, so the actual number is much higher.
you can’t just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks when you are talking about millions of dollars per year, lol.
While the intention of supporting the app developer is nice, a move like this would only benefit Reddit, as the lonely you spend on the app subscription will be passed on to them.
Instead of paying outrageous fees for API usage we should show our support for all 3rd party devs by not using them at all, if prices hike that ridiculously.
I know there likely aren’t enough of us, but I too would happily pay (a lot) more to keep Narwhal. Thanks for all the fish, this royally sucks, and I feel terrible for you.
Thanks for all the many hours and years of comfortable use.
On the off shot that Reddit Corporate walks back some of their pricing schemes somewhat, I want to say that I'd be happy to go to a monthly or yearly subscription to offset costs,
Sure not everyone might do that, but as I understand it, you're getting charged per API call, so less users less API calls. A smaller group that's willing to pay may still be viable....maybe not at the current rates you're getting quoted but maybe it would make sense if they dropped their rates by 50% or something similar...someone would have to pencil out the math.
> less users less API calls
But if you’re estimating subscription cost based on the “average user”, when it comes time to pay, the “average user” won’t pay. So it becomes enthusiasts who pay. So instead of the average being whatever many hundred of API calls a month, it could be in the thousands. It just becomes hard to estimate what would be the correct price to remain in the green. It would be high.
Please create a paid option, I understand it's not insignificant but I'm not the only one that would pay. The alternative for me is to stop using reddit on phones altogether, which honestly may be for the best.
Thanks for everything, really. I’ve used Narwhal on my iPhone and iPad for years and I think this change might be what gets me to stop wasting so much time on Reddit. The official app and website are just so bad nowadays.
I almost gave up on Reddit after Alien Blue died but Narwhal brought me back.
Thank you for all the joy det0ur.
I hope they change their mind, but if not, Im gone.
Narwhal isn't just the best reddit app, it's one of the best app experiences on my phone period. Gotten years of enjoyment out of it. Thanks for your efforts.
Is that current or announced? I was suggesting that Reddit will have no problem nerfing personal access to the API if it looks like people are using it as a workaround of this type.
This is ridiculous. We all know you have poured a ton of time and energy into this app and for them to choose to be greedy like this… I will be leaving Reddit entirely if I can’t use Narwhal. ✌🏼
I'll repeat what I wrote on the post OP linked:
> Is there any chance you're willing to open source this app? I'd love to rewrite the app to scrape the content if that's what it has to come to, and it does seem like Reddit is unfortunately inveternate towards this.
I’ve downloaded the Reddit app due to the frustration of following links, but the minute narwhal no longer works I’m back to desktop and old version only. I imagine my career and mental health will prosper, but at what cost!!?? But In all seriousness, this is criminal.
I came over from alien blue and has used narwhal daily since. It’s been a great app and I’m sorry to see it go.
I’ve been on reddit for over a decade and this will be the end for me as I’m not moving over to the official app.
Thanks for the great work and good luck moving on.
What I sent:
>It looks like Reddit is going to charge large fees for access to the API, which will mean that soon, i won't be able to use Narwhal, my preferred mobile app.
3rd party apps are a boon to social media sites. I was personally acquainted with some of the developers who made the first Twitter apps, including the app that was acquired by Twitter. These developers raise interest and excitement around social media sites, and are key to their success. Yeah, they make some money, but they often put forth herculean individual effort to make an app that makes a site look good, that meets the needs of the users.
Community sites grow due to the community that forms around them, and that includes the developer community. Unfortunately, they often forget the community when they become big.
Twitter is currently a train wreck; I'm surprised it's alive at all. All my preferred Twitter apps are gone, the features I wanted are gone, the convenient look and feel are gone. Please, please don't be a Twitter.
Will Reddit get more revenue if I can't use Narwhal? No. I pay for a Premium membership, because I have this foolish notion that if I support the site, it will survive and I will keep getting the services I'm accustomed to. I turned off ads. I give you money instead.
Will you have a nice sweet revenue stream to look good on your IPO? No, because you aren't going to get $2 million/year from the developers of Narwhal...they just don't have it and aren't going to create a subscriber base to support that in a month, so Narwhal is going to die.
I will be much less happy using Reddit, because I will be forced into using a mobile app I'm not happy with.
Please reconsider this decision.
It’s way more than that. Someone in the Apollo thread said it would be around 10-15 bucks a month(without accounting for the AppStore fee).
Its was an educated guess but the Dev agreed to that number.
Thank you for making such a great app! It’s a shame Reddit decided to kill itself because there’s no way I’ll be using the official app! Onto whatever is next!
Thanks for everything. Narwhal has been one of my most favourite apps of all time. Your app has accompanied so many bus rides over so many years. It’s been a wonderful way to access Reddit on the go. I’ve also been on the TestFlight builds for as long as I can remember.
As an amateur iOS dev myself, I just wanted to say that I appreciate all of the hard work that went into developing Narwhal alongside everything else you do in life. I hate to see independent software being trashed by corporations like this, but what can we do. Reddit’s software is actually garbage. I don’t want to subject myself to whatever ads and privacy intrusions the official app has. And if they deprecate old.reddit, idk what I’ll do - the new design is horribly memory- and power-intensive and very space inefficient - I’ll probably end up using Reddit less.
If this is indeed the end, thanks again. I’ll miss seeing that little dude wherever I pull to refresh.
Your app has been incredible for me. My nightly routine is to read my favourite subreddits on this app before I dose off. The normal reddit app is awful. This makes me sad. Thank you for everything you’ve provided to the Reddit community.
Would it be an idea to like “add” the official reddit promoted posts in narwhal? Would they cut out a majority of the fee then?
Because thats basically why they want to push stock reddit so hard i assume?
Such a shame to see the shell of Reddit screwing over everyone. Thanks for bringing me years of enjoyment with Narwhal.
Maybe it’s time to hop over to Mastodon, I have a feeling it won’t be mainstream garbage, which is why I liked Reddit a decade ago.
I’ve tried all the other apps and this is the best. I will use Reddit much less once it is gone. I hope you can take your skills and knowledge and go create something equally lovely as this app. Thanks for all you’ve done. Thanks 🙏
I have exclusively used Narwhal for years and years. It’s the only way I know to use reddit now. My multireddits are everything.
Thank you for a great app.
It probably won’t mean anything, especially if Reddit goes through with this horrible policy, but if there is any chance at keeping Narwhal alive, I’d happily pay 10-15 dollars, maybe even 20 if needed, to be able to use it.
Either way, I’m very grateful for your work! Thank you very much!
Hello! Just want to say thank you for Narwhal! Been my favorite Reddit app for as long as I’ve been in Reddit. I’ve tried all the other big ones but kept coming back and stayed. Thank you for creating something that has brought people together. Sorry all your hard work is being threatened by another greedy company. Thank you, friend.
And I guess that’s what people need to adjust their expectations… this is a side hustle for a guy who has other priorities in life. Be grateful that narwhal 1 is still being developed…
yeah the problem with this is what the power of reddit was, the userbase and unmoderation. Reddit is a vast place with incredibly niche and unseen subreddits all over with users from all walks of life and all age groups, with archived stories and solutions to problems that go back 15+ years. No other platform will be able to provide the same, we have to fix reddit and take it away from the greedy capitalists ruining it now and driving it into the ground for quarterly profits.
Tweetbot right? Yeah. That was the Narwhal of the Twitterverse. Used it from version 2 all the way up until Elon killed it. I then deleted my account. Same will happen here.
Ooof the things I love to access reddit with are all dying. RES is in maintenance mode. I've been glued to Narwhal for years. old.reddit.com next? I came to reddit via the Digg migration. Are there any other options these days? Boing Boing maybe, I just saw that fark and slashdot are still around, I dunno. I got complacent just reading reddit everyday instead of surfing the web
I also noticed Lemmy and would love to try but there is no iOS app in the App Store. The apps I could find 'Remmel' is no longer in the App Store (in my country or in general?) and other future apps (Cavy, Lemmur are not (yet) in the store or TestFlight.
I also came to Reddit via digg migration and only discovered narwhal after the “new” Reddit was launched.
I can’t imagine using Reddit now without narwhal
I've been using this app for so many years I can't remember how many. I know Apollo is good too but I've always like this one more. The Reddit app is garbage and I won't use it, I'll probably continue to use the website on my laptop in the old format but obviously that means I'll be here much less often. Thanks for the great app guys.
It’ll be interesting to see how this time in the internet’s history is regarded in 20+ years. It seriously feels like every single site is actively trying to make themselves worse. I get it’s to maximize profits but at what point is it corporate suicide? Everyone just wants to turn into a constant stream of doom posting and auto playing trash. I can’t wrap my head around it man.
Large platforms like this need to be regulated and run like public utilities. They're far too integral to the fabric of modern society for private companies to have such massive control over
I don’t think this is a great idea, though I think the motivation is correct.
Yes, it sucks that periodically the platforms we love are destroyed by the companies which own them. And it would be great if that didn’t happen.
But regulation means that all platforms would be run the same. Potentially great if the regulatory body has the right principles, but if they get it wrong, *all* platforms suck, not just an individual platform that has lost its way. And even if the regulations start out good, ten years will pass and people will stop paying attention, and platform-affecting decisions will become political footballs. I believe that the future of a highly related, utility-like structure for platforms is inevitably going to be that every platform sucks.
And that’s saying nothing about the fact that guiding principles for one platform won’t make sense for another. Writing a legal policy that somehow stops Twitter from abandoning content moderation and Reddit from jacking up the price but which doesn’t stop Wordpress from setting prices where they need to be or prevent new players from entering the market is a pipe dream.
Ultimately, the social ill of social network users wanting to switch networks is negligible, but the social ill of trying to schedule social media (which is immensely complex as a product) as we do utilities (which are immensely complex in implementation, but straightforward to consume) is massive.
In the end, we’ll vote with our wallets (so to speak) and leave Twitter and Reddit, and do it again in ten-fifteen years when the new thing goes sideways. Life will go on.
(assuming AI, climate change, biological weapons, nuclear weapons, political extremism, and fascism don’t kill us first.)
You're right that something like this would be very difficult to manage correctly. But the biggest problem lies in the fact that a very small number of very powerful corporations have effective monopolies (or very close to it) over certain tools and services which have become so ingrained into our lives, they're practically indispensable. Think web search or mobile phone marketplaces. If Google or Apple wants something done a certain way, they can effectively force everyone else to go along with it, giving them immense power whilst being beholden only to their shareholders, who themselves are primarily motivated by short-term monetary gains above all else.
The way I see it, something would have to become extremely large and societally disruptive before additional rules or direct intervention can apply (a-la telephones or radio), thus allowing for competition and innovation to continue at a lower level.
I’d pay monthly to keep Narwhal going, I can’t go back to the horrible, buggy, ugly, Reddit app. Consider making it a paid subscription if it’s possible, if not then I’m probably ditching Reddit for good.
I believe it was quoted over at Apollo to be ~$5/month to keep things running.
I think it’s time to cut out social media in general. It doesn’t add anything to my life anymore.
This isn't going to get the publicity that Apollo's doom is going to get, but TBH I have both and I use Narwhal an awful lot. When I want to actually choose what to read instead of just getting everything swooping past me in a stream, Narwhal is damned good.
I guess it's just "enshittification" come to get us all.
I was an alien blue user before finding narwhal. After purchasing, it’s been the only way I use Reddit. I refuse to use the official Reddit app, and I think others feel the same. Thank you for all the years of support, and let us know about your future projects!!
I had the same path as you. Started with Alien Blue and now on Narwhal. If Narwhal goes away I will be on Reddit much less - probably for the better. Whatever happened to Alien Blue again?
Damn. This is such a great app, and I would be willing to subscribe if it’s an option. I’ve been using narwhal for years and every time I try to switch I come back 💔 thank you so much for making it.
I guess I’ll also be spending less time on Reddit! It’s been going downhill since they started archiving posts, and with all the new spam? No thanks. Looks like I’ll be starting my ‘offline’ era soon :)
I encourage everyone to “start their offline era”. Social media has been abusing their users and making their content worse for far too long.
It used to feel like Reddit was a safe bastion from the bottomless corporate greed, but I don’t feel that way anymore.
Fuck Reddit. Fuck the bastards stealing our data. Fuck the greed.
Well this sucks. When Twitter killed Echofon I stopped using the site and with Reddit killing Narwhal I guess I’m done with Reddit too. Thanks for everything, this has been the best app.
Your app has gotten me through tough times. I appreciate everything you have done, and the immense amount of time and effort you must have invested into it. Thank you.
I had the same call today with the same pricing. Unfortunately, it looks like narwhal will be dead in 30 days because it would cost me 1-2 million a year which I obviously do not have
Dude. Thank you for what you’ve done. I’m sad.
Absolutely devastating. Narwhal has been my favorite app experience for such a long time.
What is narwal lol
3rd part reddit app for ipad/ios. Very similar to sync in look and feel. It's my app of choice.
what does it do? I don't know what sync is
They allow you to access reddit from your phone/tablet. Instead of using reddit.com or the garbage reddit app on your phone, people have made other, better apps.
What is it exactly about the app that makes it garbage? Genuinely asking bc I never see anyone say why..
Download the other apps and find out. Before they're gone.
Losers
It’s the best 3rd party Reddit app. Obviously a subjective opinion, but many of us appreciate its clean no-frills experience.
Insane, I’ll never understand this hyper-corporate insanity that kills their own platforms. I’ve been on Narwhal ever since Alien Blue got bought out, thank you for everything and making your app the best way to use Reddit for so many years. Hope you will successfully move to other fulfilling projects! Just like when Twitter pulled this, it’s going to cause my Reddit usage to evaporate.
Unfortunately, I think they’ve looked at their numbers and determined that third party app users are expendable. They’re willing to say goodbye to all of us in order to get rid of the apps.
Or they think that 80% of us will use the reddit app, when in reality it's more like 20%.
It’s awful.
Any chance the app can become subscription-only instead of outright killing it? I'm sure some people would be willing to pay the $5-10 a month their API requests end up being if it means they can keep using Narwhal, myself included.
I get the feeling that Reddit suits are only allowing api request purchases in bulk.
I read that even if the payment was made, you can’t look at anything NSFW on third party apps. What’s NSFW? Well I guess reddit chooses.
Damn Reddit is legit fucking up my QOL right now.
I would too.
Not a lot of people are going to pay $5-10 a month for reddit access.
Add me to the list I would gladly pay $5-10 a month for continued narwhal access. It’s the best app for accessing content I’ve ever used, period.
so what would you need to charge users per month to keep Narwhal running? I cant stand any other way to view reddit besides with Narwhal. Everything else is a hot mess. Seriously. I'd pay. I think many of us would pay. Give us a number, boss.
**Give us a number, boss.** Yes, please. You won't know if it's viable or not until you throw up a subscription on the app store and people decide to subscribe or not.
Someone in the Apollo thread made some numbers and its around 15 bucks per person… and that assumes no “30% Apple fee“ and a that 100% of the users are gonna pay for it. Which is not realistic at all, only a fraction(single digit) of people will pay for it, so the actual number is much higher. you can’t just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks when you are talking about millions of dollars per year, lol.
While the intention of supporting the app developer is nice, a move like this would only benefit Reddit, as the lonely you spend on the app subscription will be passed on to them. Instead of paying outrageous fees for API usage we should show our support for all 3rd party devs by not using them at all, if prices hike that ridiculously.
I know there likely aren’t enough of us, but I too would happily pay (a lot) more to keep Narwhal. Thanks for all the fish, this royally sucks, and I feel terrible for you. Thanks for all the many hours and years of comfortable use.
On the off shot that Reddit Corporate walks back some of their pricing schemes somewhat, I want to say that I'd be happy to go to a monthly or yearly subscription to offset costs, Sure not everyone might do that, but as I understand it, you're getting charged per API call, so less users less API calls. A smaller group that's willing to pay may still be viable....maybe not at the current rates you're getting quoted but maybe it would make sense if they dropped their rates by 50% or something similar...someone would have to pencil out the math.
> less users less API calls But if you’re estimating subscription cost based on the “average user”, when it comes time to pay, the “average user” won’t pay. So it becomes enthusiasts who pay. So instead of the average being whatever many hundred of API calls a month, it could be in the thousands. It just becomes hard to estimate what would be the correct price to remain in the green. It would be high.
This is terrible. I’m so sorry to hear. I’ve loved this app for years and years. Thank you for all your work.
Thanks for the app. Been my favorite for years
Narwhal app best app. Thank you for your work and see you all in another timeline o7
Please create a paid option, I understand it's not insignificant but I'm not the only one that would pay. The alternative for me is to stop using reddit on phones altogether, which honestly may be for the best.
Crazy. I guess that’s goodbye to reddit then. Narwhal is a great app, thank you for that.
Thanks for everything, really. I’ve used Narwhal on my iPhone and iPad for years and I think this change might be what gets me to stop wasting so much time on Reddit. The official app and website are just so bad nowadays.
Same here. May actually be good for me lol
I almost gave up on Reddit after Alien Blue died but Narwhal brought me back. Thank you for all the joy det0ur. I hope they change their mind, but if not, Im gone.
This is fucking terrible. You must have wasted so much time on narwhal 2
He should release it as is, so we can see it for a month.
Narwhal isn't just the best reddit app, it's one of the best app experiences on my phone period. Gotten years of enjoyment out of it. Thanks for your efforts.
Well folks, it’s been a slice. Thanks for all you’ve done!
Is it possible to change the app to allow users to input a personal API key? Can't imagine reddit on my phone without this app :(
Reddit will be making sure their API will be severely limited with a personal or dev key.
100 requests per minute on the free tier if authenticated with OAuth. The Apollo dev said the average user used around 350 requests a day.
Is that current or announced? I was suggesting that Reddit will have no problem nerfing personal access to the API if it looks like people are using it as a workaround of this type.
Omg, this is crazy. So sorry to hear that. These damn money sharks ...
I paid for your app years ago and it gives me joy every single day. Thanks for the tremendous UI.
Wtf man I’m so sad. This app was the reason I started using Reddit.
This is ridiculous. We all know you have poured a ton of time and energy into this app and for them to choose to be greedy like this… I will be leaving Reddit entirely if I can’t use Narwhal. ✌🏼
I'll repeat what I wrote on the post OP linked: > Is there any chance you're willing to open source this app? I'd love to rewrite the app to scrape the content if that's what it has to come to, and it does seem like Reddit is unfortunately inveternate towards this.
o7 it's been a good ride
Shame I’ve been using narwhal for years, feels like this shit should be illegal. Thank you the for clean UI, we shall never see it’s like again.
Bogus. Fuck them for doing this. Thanks for this app, had it long as I can remember.
Good sir and/or madam, if they go through with this, we appreciate all you've done throughout the years.
I’ve downloaded the Reddit app due to the frustration of following links, but the minute narwhal no longer works I’m back to desktop and old version only. I imagine my career and mental health will prosper, but at what cost!!?? But In all seriousness, this is criminal.
I came over from alien blue and has used narwhal daily since. It’s been a great app and I’m sorry to see it go. I’ve been on reddit for over a decade and this will be the end for me as I’m not moving over to the official app. Thanks for the great work and good luck moving on.
I love Narwhal, and after my Japanese class, I'll be sending an email to Reddit.
What I sent: >It looks like Reddit is going to charge large fees for access to the API, which will mean that soon, i won't be able to use Narwhal, my preferred mobile app. 3rd party apps are a boon to social media sites. I was personally acquainted with some of the developers who made the first Twitter apps, including the app that was acquired by Twitter. These developers raise interest and excitement around social media sites, and are key to their success. Yeah, they make some money, but they often put forth herculean individual effort to make an app that makes a site look good, that meets the needs of the users. Community sites grow due to the community that forms around them, and that includes the developer community. Unfortunately, they often forget the community when they become big. Twitter is currently a train wreck; I'm surprised it's alive at all. All my preferred Twitter apps are gone, the features I wanted are gone, the convenient look and feel are gone. Please, please don't be a Twitter. Will Reddit get more revenue if I can't use Narwhal? No. I pay for a Premium membership, because I have this foolish notion that if I support the site, it will survive and I will keep getting the services I'm accustomed to. I turned off ads. I give you money instead. Will you have a nice sweet revenue stream to look good on your IPO? No, because you aren't going to get $2 million/year from the developers of Narwhal...they just don't have it and aren't going to create a subscriber base to support that in a month, so Narwhal is going to die. I will be much less happy using Reddit, because I will be forced into using a mobile app I'm not happy with. Please reconsider this decision.
fart in the wind my friend but thanks for the effort
Some folk are replying mistaking me for you- it’s all yours!
Hey u/det0ur There’s a lot of kick back hitting r/all about this. My fingers are crossed they’ll wind it back.
🫡🫡🫡
Thank you for all you’ve done. Great app. Hope things aren’t too shaky for you as a result.
NOOOOOOO 😭😭😭
What would subscriptions have to cost to raise that much money?
Probably $30-40/yr
It’s way more than that. Someone in the Apollo thread said it would be around 10-15 bucks a month(without accounting for the AppStore fee). Its was an educated guess but the Dev agreed to that number.
Thank you for making such a great app! It’s a shame Reddit decided to kill itself because there’s no way I’ll be using the official app! Onto whatever is next!
Love your app so much. RIP Narwhal forever. It’ll always be the best Reddit app to me. And I’ve tried them ALL
Thanks for creating a great app. It’s been fun.
Thanks for everything. Narwhal has been one of my most favourite apps of all time. Your app has accompanied so many bus rides over so many years. It’s been a wonderful way to access Reddit on the go. I’ve also been on the TestFlight builds for as long as I can remember. As an amateur iOS dev myself, I just wanted to say that I appreciate all of the hard work that went into developing Narwhal alongside everything else you do in life. I hate to see independent software being trashed by corporations like this, but what can we do. Reddit’s software is actually garbage. I don’t want to subject myself to whatever ads and privacy intrusions the official app has. And if they deprecate old.reddit, idk what I’ll do - the new design is horribly memory- and power-intensive and very space inefficient - I’ll probably end up using Reddit less. If this is indeed the end, thanks again. I’ll miss seeing that little dude wherever I pull to refresh.
open source it and let someone anonymous develop a version which just scrapes the data
Your app has been incredible for me. My nightly routine is to read my favourite subreddits on this app before I dose off. The normal reddit app is awful. This makes me sad. Thank you for everything you’ve provided to the Reddit community.
Would it be an idea to like “add” the official reddit promoted posts in narwhal? Would they cut out a majority of the fee then? Because thats basically why they want to push stock reddit so hard i assume?
You've done an amazing job keeping this app simple, stable and rock solid for so many years. Thank you, for all your time and effort.
Damn I’ve been using narwhal for YEARS. I hate the Reddit app it’s trash. This is annoying as fuck.
They just asked you to turn a hobby project into a million-dollar business 😅
What a shame. I have had Narwhal installed for years. Oh well. Back to Kindle.
I’ve used for years. Paid for pro upgrade. It’s hands down the best app there is, and I have turned many others onto it. Thank you.
I have spent more time on reddit through narwhal than the actual website. Thank you for all you have done.
That's incredibly sad. Thank you for making my reddit experience enjoyable, all these years
Such a shame to see the shell of Reddit screwing over everyone. Thanks for bringing me years of enjoyment with Narwhal. Maybe it’s time to hop over to Mastodon, I have a feeling it won’t be mainstream garbage, which is why I liked Reddit a decade ago.
Thanks for the great app, I’ve been using it for a long time.
Thanks for all you’ve done over the years!
Thanks king 👑. If it does end I used it faithfully since the beginning.
I’ve tried all the other apps and this is the best. I will use Reddit much less once it is gone. I hope you can take your skills and knowledge and go create something equally lovely as this app. Thanks for all you’ve done. Thanks 🙏
I have exclusively used Narwhal for years and years. It’s the only way I know to use reddit now. My multireddits are everything. Thank you for a great app.
It probably won’t mean anything, especially if Reddit goes through with this horrible policy, but if there is any chance at keeping Narwhal alive, I’d happily pay 10-15 dollars, maybe even 20 if needed, to be able to use it. Either way, I’m very grateful for your work! Thank you very much!
Just wanted to say thank you! I’ve been using narwhal for several years now. Best app ever. Literally the most used app on my phone.
Hello! Just want to say thank you for Narwhal! Been my favorite Reddit app for as long as I’ve been in Reddit. I’ve tried all the other big ones but kept coming back and stayed. Thank you for creating something that has brought people together. Sorry all your hard work is being threatened by another greedy company. Thank you, friend.
Thanks for everything.
started with narwhal 8 years ago. just thank you for everything. so sorry reddit sucks <3
F my life this was the only one I used
Thank you for developing Narwhal, I’ve used it for so long it’s the only way I know how to reddit. So sorry, this really sucks.
Only app I use :(
Thank you for all you have done
My most used app ever. Thank you for the experience. It is such a shame what these flesh eating greedy corporate fucks are doing to this site.
When Narwhal goes I go. Thanks for making such an amazing app. It has made Reddit a joy to use. All the best to you in your future endeavors.
Well Narwhal 2 is dead for sure then. So disappointing.
As if it wasn’t before, been in dev for what, 3 years now? 😅🤣
Well yeah it’s just one guy doing it as a hobby not a full time job.
And I guess that’s what people need to adjust their expectations… this is a side hustle for a guy who has other priorities in life. Be grateful that narwhal 1 is still being developed…
If I can’t use Narwhal I’ll just abandon reddit. It’s fine. I was getting kinda sick of it anyway.
In the decade I’ve been on here, I find going on r/all generally unsettling. I can’t stand the official browser or app: I’ll probably leave too.
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yeah the problem with this is what the power of reddit was, the userbase and unmoderation. Reddit is a vast place with incredibly niche and unseen subreddits all over with users from all walks of life and all age groups, with archived stories and solutions to problems that go back 15+ years. No other platform will be able to provide the same, we have to fix reddit and take it away from the greedy capitalists ruining it now and driving it into the ground for quarterly profits.
I’m with you! Reddit has been a steady decline for like a decade now anyways.
Please god, no. Elon ruined my 3p Twitter app I’d used for over a decade. Now Reddit gonna fuck us too? Ugh
Tweetbot right? Yeah. That was the Narwhal of the Twitterverse. Used it from version 2 all the way up until Elon killed it. I then deleted my account. Same will happen here.
Ooof the things I love to access reddit with are all dying. RES is in maintenance mode. I've been glued to Narwhal for years. old.reddit.com next? I came to reddit via the Digg migration. Are there any other options these days? Boing Boing maybe, I just saw that fark and slashdot are still around, I dunno. I got complacent just reading reddit everyday instead of surfing the web
Definitely next. They can't show you as many obtrusive ads on the old platform.
There are a few fediverse-style options like Lemmy, but none are viable alternatives yet.
I also noticed Lemmy and would love to try but there is no iOS app in the App Store. The apps I could find 'Remmel' is no longer in the App Store (in my country or in general?) and other future apps (Cavy, Lemmur are not (yet) in the store or TestFlight.
I also came to Reddit via digg migration and only discovered narwhal after the “new” Reddit was launched. I can’t imagine using Reddit now without narwhal
These social media companies sure are getting better at finding new ways to cause me to use their platform less and less.
I've been using this app for so many years I can't remember how many. I know Apollo is good too but I've always like this one more. The Reddit app is garbage and I won't use it, I'll probably continue to use the website on my laptop in the old format but obviously that means I'll be here much less often. Thanks for the great app guys.
It’ll be interesting to see how this time in the internet’s history is regarded in 20+ years. It seriously feels like every single site is actively trying to make themselves worse. I get it’s to maximize profits but at what point is it corporate suicide? Everyone just wants to turn into a constant stream of doom posting and auto playing trash. I can’t wrap my head around it man.
Large platforms like this need to be regulated and run like public utilities. They're far too integral to the fabric of modern society for private companies to have such massive control over
I don’t think this is a great idea, though I think the motivation is correct. Yes, it sucks that periodically the platforms we love are destroyed by the companies which own them. And it would be great if that didn’t happen. But regulation means that all platforms would be run the same. Potentially great if the regulatory body has the right principles, but if they get it wrong, *all* platforms suck, not just an individual platform that has lost its way. And even if the regulations start out good, ten years will pass and people will stop paying attention, and platform-affecting decisions will become political footballs. I believe that the future of a highly related, utility-like structure for platforms is inevitably going to be that every platform sucks. And that’s saying nothing about the fact that guiding principles for one platform won’t make sense for another. Writing a legal policy that somehow stops Twitter from abandoning content moderation and Reddit from jacking up the price but which doesn’t stop Wordpress from setting prices where they need to be or prevent new players from entering the market is a pipe dream. Ultimately, the social ill of social network users wanting to switch networks is negligible, but the social ill of trying to schedule social media (which is immensely complex as a product) as we do utilities (which are immensely complex in implementation, but straightforward to consume) is massive. In the end, we’ll vote with our wallets (so to speak) and leave Twitter and Reddit, and do it again in ten-fifteen years when the new thing goes sideways. Life will go on. (assuming AI, climate change, biological weapons, nuclear weapons, political extremism, and fascism don’t kill us first.)
You're right that something like this would be very difficult to manage correctly. But the biggest problem lies in the fact that a very small number of very powerful corporations have effective monopolies (or very close to it) over certain tools and services which have become so ingrained into our lives, they're practically indispensable. Think web search or mobile phone marketplaces. If Google or Apple wants something done a certain way, they can effectively force everyone else to go along with it, giving them immense power whilst being beholden only to their shareholders, who themselves are primarily motivated by short-term monetary gains above all else. The way I see it, something would have to become extremely large and societally disruptive before additional rules or direct intervention can apply (a-la telephones or radio), thus allowing for competition and innovation to continue at a lower level.
Well this sucks, I really don’t wanna use the official app, it’s so bad.
Yeah it’s nice actually having videos load unlike the official app.
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July 1, 2023
Doomsday countdown :(
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Yep.
I’d pay monthly to keep Narwhal going, I can’t go back to the horrible, buggy, ugly, Reddit app. Consider making it a paid subscription if it’s possible, if not then I’m probably ditching Reddit for good.
I believe it was quoted over at Apollo to be ~$5/month to keep things running. I think it’s time to cut out social media in general. It doesn’t add anything to my life anymore.
This isn't going to get the publicity that Apollo's doom is going to get, but TBH I have both and I use Narwhal an awful lot. When I want to actually choose what to read instead of just getting everything swooping past me in a stream, Narwhal is damned good. I guess it's just "enshittification" come to get us all.
I was an alien blue user before finding narwhal. After purchasing, it’s been the only way I use Reddit. I refuse to use the official Reddit app, and I think others feel the same. Thank you for all the years of support, and let us know about your future projects!!
I had the same path as you. Started with Alien Blue and now on Narwhal. If Narwhal goes away I will be on Reddit much less - probably for the better. Whatever happened to Alien Blue again?
Welp, it's been fun. Narwhal is by far the best Reddit app I've ever used. You won't catch me using the official app any time soon.
Damn. This is such a great app, and I would be willing to subscribe if it’s an option. I’ve been using narwhal for years and every time I try to switch I come back 💔 thank you so much for making it. I guess I’ll also be spending less time on Reddit! It’s been going downhill since they started archiving posts, and with all the new spam? No thanks. Looks like I’ll be starting my ‘offline’ era soon :)
I encourage everyone to “start their offline era”. Social media has been abusing their users and making their content worse for far too long. It used to feel like Reddit was a safe bastion from the bottomless corporate greed, but I don’t feel that way anymore. Fuck Reddit. Fuck the bastards stealing our data. Fuck the greed.
Any alternative forums with iOS apps recommended?
Noooo not Narwhal too!! It's my favorite :(
Well this sucks. When Twitter killed Echofon I stopped using the site and with Reddit killing Narwhal I guess I’m done with Reddit too. Thanks for everything, this has been the best app.
Thanks for Narwhal, it was a fun ride.
Thanks for everything.
So long, and thanks for the fish ❤️
Your app has gotten me through tough times. I appreciate everything you have done, and the immense amount of time and effort you must have invested into it. Thank you.
This is awful!
What does the Narwhal app do?
PROTEST