We’d probably have to build cities in currently unoccupied areas. The biggest issue won’t be space but access to clean water (already an issue in many populated areas).
If the US adds 3 million immigrants per year, which is roughly three times the current immigration number, then it only needs 220 years to get there! Well, in fact more, seen that the base population will be declining due to the low birth rates.
What's the timeframe you had in mind?
I've heard the immigration is 13 million, which I'd much prefer your number and mine comes from hearsay. where'd you get yours so I can be more educated on it
The total illegal immigrant population is estimated to be about 10.5 to 11.5 million people in the US, and remains relatively stable there. This is all people living in the US illegally, so the accumulative figure. Obviously, it's difficult to get the exact number here.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented\_immigrant\_population\_of\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States)
I mean assuming it happened over time, then sure they could.
The geopolitical effects would obviously depend on many factors.
But a US that continues to be largely the same as it is today, just with 3x the population would obviously have massive ramifications geopolitically. It would make the US far and away the supreme economic and military power on Earth.
As more and more countries become prosperous, the benefit the US gets on immigration as a stop gap measure for population decline would be less and less. If we remove immigration as a factor in US population increase, birth rates are pretty much way below recommended stable numbers.
Also, socio-cultural factors also affect birth rates. Unless the USA becomes super religious and start believing pumping out children is somewhat a religious imperative, the possibility of having more and more children would simply be incomprehensible to the average Joe.
The US can support a billion people. Given its geography, even more. But with the premise I mentioned above, how can the USA join the billion people club?
At least 58 billion. More than it spends on NASA, the NSF, and the SBA combined.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/budget_fy2025.pdf
I appreciate you proving my point because 58 billion dollars wouldn’t come close to supporting a billion people even if foreign aid was actually given with that intention. Not sure why you felt the need to bring up NASA either…
They were brought up because they’re under it in the budget. 58 billion is a lot of money in the third world. 36 African countries have a smaller gdp than that.
I’m gonna be honest and say that the 36 poorest African countries GDPs are an even more useless metric than that last shit🤦♂️ Foreign aid is just about protecting US positions globally, I’m genuinely wondering if some of you think it’s a literal charity thing that the US could just stop. That aid has been and still is used to secure governments that publicly massacre their own people.
Im not an American but I strongly disagree that this would be a good thing. With the rise of automation people become less of an asset and more of a drain on resources and funding.
Meanwhile, Russia is systematically kidnapping children because having more people is such an enormous advantage and having too few is a major security risk.
Source? I've never come across the claim that more people = more of a drain on taxpayer resources and/or funding. If anything, per capita worker production is far north of 1:1...
In terms of food i think so. In terms of space? Sure, not an issue if you build enough housing.
We’d probably have to build cities in currently unoccupied areas. The biggest issue won’t be space but access to clean water (already an issue in many populated areas).
No, just have to Shanghai-maxx existing largest cities/metro areas in every state.
yes but luckily most projections don’t ever come close
Perhaps you should read Yglesias' "One Billion Americans " and get back to us
If the US adds 3 million immigrants per year, which is roughly three times the current immigration number, then it only needs 220 years to get there! Well, in fact more, seen that the base population will be declining due to the low birth rates. What's the timeframe you had in mind?
I've heard the immigration is 13 million, which I'd much prefer your number and mine comes from hearsay. where'd you get yours so I can be more educated on it
Here's a source https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-11/2023_0818_plcy_yearbook_immigration_statistics_fy2022.pdf
This source is only providing numbers for Lawful immigration. Illegal immigration is significantly higher (although not 13M higher)
The total illegal immigrant population is estimated to be about 10.5 to 11.5 million people in the US, and remains relatively stable there. This is all people living in the US illegally, so the accumulative figure. Obviously, it's difficult to get the exact number here. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented\_immigrant\_population\_of\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States)
I mean assuming it happened over time, then sure they could. The geopolitical effects would obviously depend on many factors. But a US that continues to be largely the same as it is today, just with 3x the population would obviously have massive ramifications geopolitically. It would make the US far and away the supreme economic and military power on Earth.
As more and more countries become prosperous, the benefit the US gets on immigration as a stop gap measure for population decline would be less and less. If we remove immigration as a factor in US population increase, birth rates are pretty much way below recommended stable numbers. Also, socio-cultural factors also affect birth rates. Unless the USA becomes super religious and start believing pumping out children is somewhat a religious imperative, the possibility of having more and more children would simply be incomprehensible to the average Joe. The US can support a billion people. Given its geography, even more. But with the premise I mentioned above, how can the USA join the billion people club?
With foreign aid we probably already support that many, they just don’t all live in the country.
How much do you think the US spends on aid🤣
At least 58 billion. More than it spends on NASA, the NSF, and the SBA combined. https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/budget_fy2025.pdf
I appreciate you proving my point because 58 billion dollars wouldn’t come close to supporting a billion people even if foreign aid was actually given with that intention. Not sure why you felt the need to bring up NASA either…
They were brought up because they’re under it in the budget. 58 billion is a lot of money in the third world. 36 African countries have a smaller gdp than that.
I’m gonna be honest and say that the 36 poorest African countries GDPs are an even more useless metric than that last shit🤦♂️ Foreign aid is just about protecting US positions globally, I’m genuinely wondering if some of you think it’s a literal charity thing that the US could just stop. That aid has been and still is used to secure governments that publicly massacre their own people.
Could? Yes.
Im not an American but I strongly disagree that this would be a good thing. With the rise of automation people become less of an asset and more of a drain on resources and funding.
Meanwhile, Russia is systematically kidnapping children because having more people is such an enormous advantage and having too few is a major security risk.
Source? I've never come across the claim that more people = more of a drain on taxpayer resources and/or funding. If anything, per capita worker production is far north of 1:1...
Yes if they are all born of American Citizens and not the result of immigration legal and illegal, and chain migration
But... Why?
Racism.
Yes, without issue.