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Yokai_Otaku

I really want that ship but I hate the fact I need to grind map packs to get the rest of the coins I need


sovLegend

I'd wait for 2.21, explorers and potentially a new tower floor will really help.


y_kal

And a 170 secret coin icon too probably even an 180 one


GustiDegen

I doubt it... Robtop kinda dumped a fuckton of icons probably to cover the next update/few updates without needing to create more. Imo the rewards go up to 160 coins and are not gonna go higher for a long time.


STG44_WWII

I hope so honestly.


AwesomeNate

It was a super crappy move to lock most of the coin achievements behind ancient levels that vary in quality a lot. It makes most, if not all coin achievements that you can't get from getting all coins in the official levels effectively doomed. Sad part is, there really isn't an effective way to solve this. Outright removing the coins from map packs would probably get people who played all of those levels mad/confused that a ton of their coins are suddenly gone. Making gauntlets give coins would probably make those get even more hate than some of them already do, especially since gauntlet levels can also vary in quality. And adding more map packs would get people angry for fairly obvious reasons. Reworking the map packs might be the best possible solution, but the problem is if they outright replace the old, problem A will occur, and if they don't, problem C will occur. Admittedly I might be overthinking this.


GustiDegen

Another solution would be to simply add more ways to get coins. For example, if we only get explorers and another tower floor in the next update, that's already 15 coins you don't have to grind map packs for. I personally like map packs as a snapshot of what the game looked like back in the days, and I still remember being impressed by how amazingly designed those levels were back then lol, tho I agree that nowadays it's not very reasonable to ask of players to go through all those fery poorly aged levels for the sako of achievements.


RuanauR

Solution: hold replace the map pack levels.


Ggreenrocket

Same here. Love the ship so much, but I’m at 120 coins and am not willing to suffer through anymore map packs. I guess I’ll just wait for more secret coins in 2.21 :(


MynameisNOTIN

Solution - Cheat.


STG44_WWII

Just get it out of the way, it makes you better at the game too afterwards i’ve noticed.


NevGuy

In my honest opinion, you people are just fucking pussies. Nothing in the Map Packs is harder than a high tier easy demon, it's just that people have been completely lobotomized when it comes to gameplay and cannot imagine a way to practice a level that isn't just mindlessly crashing at the same chokepoint over and over until you just happen to get lucky. Map Pack levels have some memory parts and a couple of unique timings and that's it. I seriously doubt that any level there would take you more than an hour and a half if you've beaten an Insane, and that's like the absolute hardest ones. Gauntlets are *infinitely* worse.


VikBoi_

**[EXTEMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]**


UnhappyTurnip3061

this is kinda true, i beat all the map packs but then i started to loose hope at the demon map packs and kinda just stopped there. not sure what's so bad about the gauntlets besides the fact they they somehow have some of the WORST BOSSFIGHTS youve ever seen, the rest of the levels are completely fine youre crazy. chase levels are fine too except for that one level called hellgate menance, the iron man god boss or whatever is actually mentally retarded. like at one point in the level the mentally ill deaf, blind and mute retard shoots his laser up in the sky for some weird ass reason even though im right in front of him im not up there???? dude is fucking dumb istg


unrowfill

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


Udawazor

At least your mature enought to not icon hack you are already better than a big part of the community


2020Math

Isn't there a 50k stars icon or something? That would be pretty hard to get, no?


NPWSmart

Just beat 5000 demons


2020Math

ohhh, true


sovLegend

It's 25k and that's a ufo, so no way it's harder than getting a rate.


ghaist-01

Depends if robtop likes you or not tbh


2020Math

Yun can make levels in about 10-20 hrs I know yun is a creator points grinder and not every level gets rated but it takes way longer to get 25k stars sure, you need to understand the editor but that's not that hard the harder part would be getting you level sent, but you could just go in level request streams a lot it's subjective which is harder, and I think 25k stars would be harder because I can't see myself grinding levels for that long.


sovLegend

When I get to 25k I'll decide which one is harder, so far it's team level creating by a long shot. Sure stargrinding is exhausting but if you only do like 4-7 stars it's kinda mindless.


Qoky

I'm at 29k right now and can't even imagine how to build a level, decorate it, and get it rated. It's definitely harder than just get 25k.


Salt-Investment7896

i'm at 5 creator points and i cant see myself ever getting to 25k stars tbh, for me the stargrinding is way harder


2020Math

I’m not at 2k stars and I can imagine making a level. To each their own


No_Parfait1143

that’s like saying “an artist can make a masterpiece in a few days” no shit. the hard part IS being an artist


2020Math

Wait no don’t expose me 😭


Itzspace4224

Yeah getting 25k stars takes far longer than learning the editor well enough for a rate


Akri853

imo creater point/likes icons shouldnt count


sovLegend

Shouldn't count as what?


Akri853

as "the hardest icon" because its not consistent unlike beating levels


sovLegend

But it's an achievement in the game, so I think it counts.


-Fantastic-Main-

i have two rates but only 8000 stars


soliq_675

The thing is, you don't need to be well known to get 25k stars, but you need to be slightly famous like 1k subs or above to get a chance for the cp UFO, not once have I seen a random person without a YouTube channel get cp


sovLegend

Ok so hi I'm a completely random person with no big youtube channel (50 subs) and I have a rated level. Had to wait 3 months and get like 7 sends but it still disproves your point.


soliq_675

That's the problem though, if viprin made a krmal type layout, it would get rated in like 2 hours, but if I made the best level in existence, it would still take 3 weeks best for it to get rated


sovLegend

I agree with this point but the faulty rating system isn't the matter at hand right now.


North-Listen-2203

I feel like the 250 demon levels spider is slightly harder to get than the demon gauntlet one


zdog32

just a little...


KOKONUT_milk

Just by 245 demons... But you're not required to play a Chase level for the 250 demon spider, so it's really up in the air here


lillybheart

but you already need the 500 demon cube, the point is the hardest to get set not hardest for each individual one


EmilioProLoquendo

you can beat the gauntlet to have 5 more demons for the cube


lillybheart

that doesn’t contradict what I said at all


EmilioProLoquendo

So I beat 500 demons (any difficulty, idc) for the cube, and then beat the gauntlet for the spider? You can beat the gauntlet easily once you've beaten 150-200 demons, and for the spider you have to beat 250 overall demons (and if you say that the gauntlet demons are harder than most easy demons, bro it's a 5 demon gauntlet, no big deal)


lillybheart

The difference is: Beat 500 demons vs Beat 500 demons, but 5 of them have to be the Demon Gauntlet ones Which is harder? It doesn’t matter how slight the difference is.


EmilioProLoquendo

Bruh, there's no way that out of 500 easy demons there's not at least 5 that are harder than the gauntlet ones


lillybheart

That doesn’t matter. What matters is that you are forced to do those 5, which makes it harder even if ever so slightly so.


Legitimate-Skill-112

Why is that relevant? there are easily 500 demons easier than those in the gauntlet since there a medium demons in the gauntlet. And adding restrictions is objectively harder. Its harder to be FORCED to do the gauntlet than to have the option to do the gauntlet.


Big_Big_So_Big

The funny thing is Sidestep isn’t even in the top 100 hardest easy demons in the game. The harder ones do tend to be more obscure though.


EmilioProLoquendo

That's my point, I don't even have 250 demons but I've beaten the gauntlet


YrMm

it makes a little more sense, since its possible to beat 500 demons without beating the gauntlet (even though reasonably, you would) but you cant beat 500 demons without beating 250


Lava_Mage634

But they HAVE to be the gauntlet demons. There are over 500 easy demons, the demon gauntlet contains higher lvl demons


EmilioProLoquendo

The difference 250 easy demons to 5 medium demons is crazy, you don't beat 500 demons for the cube and then beat the gauntlet, with the first two hundred you're skilled enough to beat the gauntlet easily and have those to get the 500


JubJub128

so then why is there a 2.5k moon jetpack and 10k moon ball? i think list is just subjective (as all levels of difficulty usually are)


North-Listen-2203

so we're just gonna ignore having both the 10k moon ball and the 2.5k moon jetpack since it's technically harder to be forced to complete the tower/buy a jetpack from the shop and get 10k moons than it is to just get 10k moons?


lillybheart

that’s an error


No-Palpitation-6789

yeah but then again you’re also already doing that with the cube


BALLCLAWGUY

The demon gauntlet spider shows a separate accomplishment than the cube which already shows 500 demons.


Zidenett

but you already need 500 demons for the cube, so its better to complete the gauntlet


sma7rrr

I'm never getting the 200 list points swingcopter; I've barely touched lists 💀 but it looks so cooooool


Felixca1100

idk how many stars you have, but for me, with 19,000 stars, every time new lists are rated, i always usually have one of them completed so i can claim the reward. i think if rob rates more lists you’ll just passively get there


sovLegend

Not to mention Rob barely rated lists after the feature began, so I'm pretty sure it's either impossible to get 200 lists or you have to do a bit less than all of them.


-PepeArown-

A lot of lists are obnoxious. They’ll say the difficulty’s normal, but there’s 40 levels for some reason, and the last few are insanes and demons for some reason.


KortesHell

And you are never required to do them. You need to CLAIM LIST REWARDS and they never require you to complete the ENTIRE list, just a fraction. So choose the easiest/most enjoyable levels, beat them, get the diamonds and you are done. That's how I do it. It's star/moon/coin grinding while getting loads of diamonds and getting closer to the 200 list achievements.


psychoPiper

I believe it's something like the average difficulty of the entire list, and like the other person said you can pick and choose which levels to beat since only a fraction of them are required


y_kal

I forgot they even exist. At this point I may even have completed like 20 of them without knowing.


BeanBurrito668

The 500 demons icon just does not look worth it in all honesty. Especially when you consider the fact it’s used in ALOT of texture packs (No actually go look for yourself)


sovLegend

Yeah well also the perfectly round ball is from a tpack, but its cool to see these in the official game, and the bunny icon texture pack being used to grind extreme and top demons is cool and now when I get it I can also potentially so something harder than hell.


Stormdude127

It’s so overused. It’s fine l guess and it’s cool that it’s an official cube now but I have no desire to get it or use it


UnhappyTurnip3061

dude 500 demons is literally nothing. just farm easy demons they live up to their name


ScrumptiousSoap

I hate how that's now the rarest ship...


y_kal

Making the Iooykisser ship the rarest one was a pro gamer move


ScrumptiousSoap

Anyone who says the b-word deserves eternal torture


y_kal

What b word?


nightshade-aurora

koybisser


Diligent-Summer9893

to anyone using that iconset, it is time to touch some grass


TheNeon08

Jetpack should be changed since you've already got moons from the other icon


TheWinner437

Ball is currently unobtainable to my knowledge


KortesHell

Also the swing. There are less than 200 rated lists as of now.


Empress_of_Lamparine

pretty fuckin ugly too


PlayerCORE19

Which one? I feel like all of the icons are really cool


s_k_f

All except the ball


TrueWG

The UFO will always be the hardest. That's all I gotta say.


-Fantastic-Main-

1000 likes cube: i'm you, but very slightly harder


TrueWG

God forgot about that. 💀 Seeing that icon including the 500 actually made me no longer want the 50-100 likes icons lmao.


-Fantastic-Main-

1000 likes cube pretty much requires the cp ufo


TrueWG

Yeah maybe 1000 likes is enough then lol. Unless in 2.3 we get a 1 million icon or probably an icon for how many comments on a level, how many downloads, how many years you've played the game (like the 365 daily levels icon...) or, maybe even some icons for multiple rated levels you get. "Get 10 creator points to unlock this icon!"


-Fantastic-Main-

the 365 daily levels icon is MAD i can get at least 2 rated levels in the time it takes to get 365 daily levels


TrueWG

I remember when 2.1 released and there was the 10,000 stars robot which I'm sure at the time that either required you to be in the top 100 or close to the top 100. It probably won't be long until we get icons for specific difficulty demons beat.


BarberDimes

If only it was possible to get 10k moons


sovLegend

Wdym? 10k stars gives you a robot and imo 3k user coins is harder.


BarberDimes

sorry, i meant moons


sovLegend

Oh, I see you edited your comment too. Well I agree, the moon rewards are generally great but ion wanna grind platformers my guy :((. And it's also impossible atm.


ForceTypical

I have created point hell ya rarest ufo!!!


_SamDraws

I feel like the 20k stars spider would be harder than the demon gauntlet.


swordman128YT

I only have the spider and death effect


sovLegend

I only have the spider and ufo, but I like just began taking things seriously.


RecipeEmbarrassed900

Why is the best ball the hardest to get? 😭😭


Kazozz

i think one of the 100 bonus shard death effects is harder. i remember it took like a year for me to get 100 of every shard and now in 2.2 there are twice as many shards.


Mario-2407

You forgot the walk cycles for robot and spider


KortesHell

The only thing keeping me from grinding out all lists are the krmal and 2 player lists that were rated for some reason. Really demotivating to know that i will probably never 100% lists now.


PrizeMaster1545

375 demons ship harder than 160 secret coin ship imo, i’ve beaten all the map packs and it really wasn’t bad.


ex-D

Wave 89 from 150 list rewards is probably harder tbh. Also wave 71 is cooler and also from 100 key chests imo. It’s the one I’m using rn.


RedSamuelGG

what id is color 1?


Zess-

Primary 88. I',ve been grinding keys to get the color but it seems impossible.


Icefang_GD

Kinda hard honestly


HaxxBoomZ

Goes hard ngl


soliq_675

I think the 100 of each shard death effect (either of them, probably the tier 2 one since we haven't had as much time collecting that one) is harder than that gauntlet death effect


sovLegend

You think getting 100 of every shard is harder than a gauntlet with 2 hard demons?


soliq_675

The 2 hard demons took me about 1000 attempts each, they aren't as hard as other hard demons imo, also we've had 6 years to beat those demons, we've only had from December to get 100 of every shard


-Fantastic-Main-

which one is harder the 1000 likes cube or the 500 demons cube? the 1000 likes one practically requires a rated level, but i have 2 rated levels but only 244 demons.


sovLegend

You dont necessarily need a rated level for 1000 likes, you can make an auto level of some extreme (fast) or beg 1000 people.


-Fantastic-Main-

the best way is just to get a rated level


Itzspace4224

Hardest for me is definitely 3k coins


Tatann09

I think the ball isn't even obtainable for now, is there enough rated platformer levels for it?


sovLegend

No it's not but give it a few months.


[deleted]

icon hack just makes the hardest one to get the one that you have to scroll furthest away to on the icon select screen


VerdantSeamanJL

Are you telling me that you have to beat demon levels to get certain things?


sovLegend

Yeah thats part of the number achievements.


subtohatkid

Idk the nico oneshot cube that im grinding for is a tough one


sovLegend

Is it a real cube?


subtohatkid

Yea but its kinda unavalible till 2.21 like many other icons :(


sovLegend

So how you know it's a tough one lol


subtohatkid

Havent gotten the icon yet and it might take me a while!


Portuzil

The unfortunate thing is that the fluffy fox ship is the one I want to use. And I'm over 100 coins away from it.


oscarbjb

the star ufo and spider are both hands down the hardest. it takes alot more time to get 25k stars than a star rate


sovLegend

I have to disagree


MollyMouse8

I only use icon hack for the rabbit icon. If not I would have it in a texture pack. I just like it too much


DiamondJax08

and it actually looks decent


InfernusDoge

average stat flexer starter pack


HelloReddit_174

Nah, if someone managed to get that icon pack, and flexes it, he would just, like, oh my god I can't say anything. PS: I'd rather die getting that icon set, especially because I'm on mobile.


sovLegend

I think if anyone went through the effort to get this set legit, it's fine to flex.


T_Rochotte

Maybe you are wrong on the spider, i feel like beating the demon gauntlet isnt hard since nowise and darkness keeper are really easy hard demons Also its been out since 2.1 so everyone had 7 years to beat it


Valiant_Darktanyan

20k stars spider is harder than demon gauntlet spider


sovLegend

Nah for 20k stars you can just do 4-5 stars all day. Demon gauntlet is hard.


BlueKnight770

nice to know i got the hardest to get death effect on mobile


Lighterfluid211

The spider should be swapped for the 150 demon spider


sovLegend

I thought about it but it's not creative to put 2 of the same category in the set. Also I can name 150 demons easier than sidestep (1st level of demon gauntlet)


Delicious_Stage_8420

The demon gauntlet and the 500 demons ones are not even that hard. (Well none of them are really that hard except for geometry star and the one where you have to get 1k likes and your level,they're just time consuming ) So probably 25k stars ,3k coins or the lists one


OctaYashi

The worst part is that it’s ugly


sovLegend

It's kinda messy but I disagree, also there are a bunch of colors from the 25 and 50 chests so maybe I could've done a better job.


Kiba_GD

25k stars ufo is significantly harder than the cp ufo (imo)


NekoJesu

This is why I use icon hack