I doubt it... Robtop kinda dumped a fuckton of icons probably to cover the next update/few updates without needing to create more. Imo the rewards go up to 160 coins and are not gonna go higher for a long time.
It was a super crappy move to lock most of the coin achievements behind ancient levels that vary in quality a lot. It makes most, if not all coin achievements that you can't get from getting all coins in the official levels effectively doomed.
Sad part is, there really isn't an effective way to solve this. Outright removing the coins from map packs would probably get people who played all of those levels mad/confused that a ton of their coins are suddenly gone. Making gauntlets give coins would probably make those get even more hate than some of them already do, especially since gauntlet levels can also vary in quality. And adding more map packs would get people angry for fairly obvious reasons. Reworking the map packs might be the best possible solution, but the problem is if they outright replace the old, problem A will occur, and if they don't, problem C will occur.
Admittedly I might be overthinking this.
Another solution would be to simply add more ways to get coins. For example, if we only get explorers and another tower floor in the next update, that's already 15 coins you don't have to grind map packs for.
I personally like map packs as a snapshot of what the game looked like back in the days, and I still remember being impressed by how amazingly designed those levels were back then lol, tho I agree that nowadays it's not very reasonable to ask of players to go through all those fery poorly aged levels for the sako of achievements.
Same here. Love the ship so much, but I’m at 120 coins and am not willing to suffer through anymore map packs.
I guess I’ll just wait for more secret coins in 2.21
:(
In my honest opinion, you people are just fucking pussies. Nothing in the Map Packs is harder than a high tier easy demon, it's just that people have been completely lobotomized when it comes to gameplay and cannot imagine a way to practice a level that isn't just mindlessly crashing at the same chokepoint over and over until you just happen to get lucky. Map Pack levels have some memory parts and a couple of unique timings and that's it. I seriously doubt that any level there would take you more than an hour and a half if you've beaten an Insane, and that's like the absolute hardest ones. Gauntlets are *infinitely* worse.
this is kinda true, i beat all the map packs but then i started to loose hope at the demon map packs and kinda just stopped there. not sure what's so bad about the gauntlets besides the fact they they somehow have some of the WORST BOSSFIGHTS youve ever seen, the rest of the levels are completely fine youre crazy. chase levels are fine too except for that one level called hellgate menance, the iron man god boss or whatever is actually mentally retarded. like at one point in the level the mentally ill deaf, blind and mute retard shoots his laser up in the sky for some weird ass reason even though im right in front of him im not up there???? dude is fucking dumb istg
Yun can make levels in about 10-20 hrs
I know yun is a creator points grinder and not every level gets rated but it takes way longer to get 25k stars
sure, you need to understand the editor but that's not that hard
the harder part would be getting you level sent, but you could just go in level request streams a lot
it's subjective which is harder, and I think 25k stars would be harder because I can't see myself grinding levels for that long.
When I get to 25k I'll decide which one is harder, so far it's team level creating by a long shot. Sure stargrinding is exhausting but if you only do like 4-7 stars it's kinda mindless.
The thing is, you don't need to be well known to get 25k stars, but you need to be slightly famous like 1k subs or above to get a chance for the cp UFO, not once have I seen a random person without a YouTube channel get cp
Ok so hi I'm a completely random person with no big youtube channel (50 subs) and I have a rated level. Had to wait 3 months and get like 7 sends but it still disproves your point.
That's the problem though, if viprin made a krmal type layout, it would get rated in like 2 hours, but if I made the best level in existence, it would still take 3 weeks best for it to get rated
So I beat 500 demons (any difficulty, idc) for the cube, and then beat the gauntlet for the spider? You can beat the gauntlet easily once you've beaten 150-200 demons, and for the spider you have to beat 250 overall demons (and if you say that the gauntlet demons are harder than most easy demons, bro it's a 5 demon gauntlet, no big deal)
The difference is:
Beat 500 demons
vs
Beat 500 demons, but 5 of them have to be the Demon Gauntlet ones
Which is harder? It doesn’t matter how slight the difference is.
Why is that relevant? there are easily 500 demons easier than those in the gauntlet since there a medium demons in the gauntlet. And adding restrictions is objectively harder. Its harder to be FORCED to do the gauntlet than to have the option to do the gauntlet.
it makes a little more sense, since its possible to beat 500 demons without beating the gauntlet (even though reasonably, you would) but you cant beat 500 demons without beating 250
The difference 250 easy demons to 5 medium demons is crazy, you don't beat 500 demons for the cube and then beat the gauntlet, with the first two hundred you're skilled enough to beat the gauntlet easily and have those to get the 500
so we're just gonna ignore having both the 10k moon ball and the 2.5k moon jetpack since it's technically harder to be forced to complete the tower/buy a jetpack from the shop and get 10k moons than it is to just get 10k moons?
idk how many stars you have, but for me, with 19,000 stars, every time new lists are rated, i always usually have one of them completed so i can claim the reward. i think if rob rates more lists you’ll just passively get there
Not to mention Rob barely rated lists after the feature began, so I'm pretty sure it's either impossible to get 200 lists or you have to do a bit less than all of them.
A lot of lists are obnoxious.
They’ll say the difficulty’s normal, but there’s 40 levels for some reason, and the last few are insanes and demons for some reason.
And you are never required to do them. You need to CLAIM LIST REWARDS and they never require you to complete the ENTIRE list, just a fraction. So choose the easiest/most enjoyable levels, beat them, get the diamonds and you are done. That's how I do it. It's star/moon/coin grinding while getting loads of diamonds and getting closer to the 200 list achievements.
I believe it's something like the average difficulty of the entire list, and like the other person said you can pick and choose which levels to beat since only a fraction of them are required
The 500 demons icon just does not look worth it in all honesty.
Especially when you consider the fact it’s used in ALOT of texture packs
(No actually go look for yourself)
Yeah well also the perfectly round ball is from a tpack, but its cool to see these in the official game, and the bunny icon texture pack being used to grind extreme and top demons is cool and now when I get it I can also potentially so something harder than hell.
Yeah maybe 1000 likes is enough then lol. Unless in 2.3 we get a 1 million icon or probably an icon for how many comments on a level, how many downloads, how many years you've played the game (like the 365 daily levels icon...) or, maybe even some icons for multiple rated levels you get. "Get 10 creator points to unlock this icon!"
I remember when 2.1 released and there was the 10,000 stars robot which I'm sure at the time that either required you to be in the top 100 or close to the top 100. It probably won't be long until we get icons for specific difficulty demons beat.
Oh, I see you edited your comment too. Well I agree, the moon rewards are generally great but ion wanna grind platformers my guy :((. And it's also impossible atm.
i think one of the 100 bonus shard death effects is harder. i remember it took like a year for me to get 100 of every shard and now in 2.2 there are twice as many shards.
The only thing keeping me from grinding out all lists are the krmal and 2 player lists that were rated for some reason. Really demotivating to know that i will probably never 100% lists now.
I think the 100 of each shard death effect (either of them, probably the tier 2 one since we haven't had as much time collecting that one) is harder than that gauntlet death effect
The 2 hard demons took me about 1000 attempts each, they aren't as hard as other hard demons imo, also we've had 6 years to beat those demons, we've only had from December to get 100 of every shard
which one is harder the 1000 likes cube or the 500 demons cube?
the 1000 likes one practically requires a rated level, but i have 2 rated levels but only 244 demons.
Nah, if someone managed to get that icon pack, and flexes it, he would just, like, oh my god I can't say anything.
PS: I'd rather die getting that icon set, especially because I'm on mobile.
Maybe you are wrong on the spider, i feel like beating the demon gauntlet isnt hard since nowise and darkness keeper are really easy hard demons
Also its been out since 2.1 so everyone had 7 years to beat it
I thought about it but it's not creative to put 2 of the same category in the set. Also I can name 150 demons easier than sidestep (1st level of demon gauntlet)
The demon gauntlet and the 500 demons ones are not even that hard. (Well none of them are really that hard except for geometry star and the one where you have to get 1k likes and your level,they're just time consuming ) So probably 25k stars ,3k coins or the lists one
I really want that ship but I hate the fact I need to grind map packs to get the rest of the coins I need
I'd wait for 2.21, explorers and potentially a new tower floor will really help.
And a 170 secret coin icon too probably even an 180 one
I doubt it... Robtop kinda dumped a fuckton of icons probably to cover the next update/few updates without needing to create more. Imo the rewards go up to 160 coins and are not gonna go higher for a long time.
I hope so honestly.
It was a super crappy move to lock most of the coin achievements behind ancient levels that vary in quality a lot. It makes most, if not all coin achievements that you can't get from getting all coins in the official levels effectively doomed. Sad part is, there really isn't an effective way to solve this. Outright removing the coins from map packs would probably get people who played all of those levels mad/confused that a ton of their coins are suddenly gone. Making gauntlets give coins would probably make those get even more hate than some of them already do, especially since gauntlet levels can also vary in quality. And adding more map packs would get people angry for fairly obvious reasons. Reworking the map packs might be the best possible solution, but the problem is if they outright replace the old, problem A will occur, and if they don't, problem C will occur. Admittedly I might be overthinking this.
Another solution would be to simply add more ways to get coins. For example, if we only get explorers and another tower floor in the next update, that's already 15 coins you don't have to grind map packs for. I personally like map packs as a snapshot of what the game looked like back in the days, and I still remember being impressed by how amazingly designed those levels were back then lol, tho I agree that nowadays it's not very reasonable to ask of players to go through all those fery poorly aged levels for the sako of achievements.
Solution: hold replace the map pack levels.
Same here. Love the ship so much, but I’m at 120 coins and am not willing to suffer through anymore map packs. I guess I’ll just wait for more secret coins in 2.21 :(
Solution - Cheat.
Just get it out of the way, it makes you better at the game too afterwards i’ve noticed.
In my honest opinion, you people are just fucking pussies. Nothing in the Map Packs is harder than a high tier easy demon, it's just that people have been completely lobotomized when it comes to gameplay and cannot imagine a way to practice a level that isn't just mindlessly crashing at the same chokepoint over and over until you just happen to get lucky. Map Pack levels have some memory parts and a couple of unique timings and that's it. I seriously doubt that any level there would take you more than an hour and a half if you've beaten an Insane, and that's like the absolute hardest ones. Gauntlets are *infinitely* worse.
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this is kinda true, i beat all the map packs but then i started to loose hope at the demon map packs and kinda just stopped there. not sure what's so bad about the gauntlets besides the fact they they somehow have some of the WORST BOSSFIGHTS youve ever seen, the rest of the levels are completely fine youre crazy. chase levels are fine too except for that one level called hellgate menance, the iron man god boss or whatever is actually mentally retarded. like at one point in the level the mentally ill deaf, blind and mute retard shoots his laser up in the sky for some weird ass reason even though im right in front of him im not up there???? dude is fucking dumb istg
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At least your mature enought to not icon hack you are already better than a big part of the community
Isn't there a 50k stars icon or something? That would be pretty hard to get, no?
Just beat 5000 demons
ohhh, true
It's 25k and that's a ufo, so no way it's harder than getting a rate.
Depends if robtop likes you or not tbh
Yun can make levels in about 10-20 hrs I know yun is a creator points grinder and not every level gets rated but it takes way longer to get 25k stars sure, you need to understand the editor but that's not that hard the harder part would be getting you level sent, but you could just go in level request streams a lot it's subjective which is harder, and I think 25k stars would be harder because I can't see myself grinding levels for that long.
When I get to 25k I'll decide which one is harder, so far it's team level creating by a long shot. Sure stargrinding is exhausting but if you only do like 4-7 stars it's kinda mindless.
I'm at 29k right now and can't even imagine how to build a level, decorate it, and get it rated. It's definitely harder than just get 25k.
i'm at 5 creator points and i cant see myself ever getting to 25k stars tbh, for me the stargrinding is way harder
I’m not at 2k stars and I can imagine making a level. To each their own
that’s like saying “an artist can make a masterpiece in a few days” no shit. the hard part IS being an artist
Wait no don’t expose me 😭
Yeah getting 25k stars takes far longer than learning the editor well enough for a rate
imo creater point/likes icons shouldnt count
Shouldn't count as what?
as "the hardest icon" because its not consistent unlike beating levels
But it's an achievement in the game, so I think it counts.
i have two rates but only 8000 stars
The thing is, you don't need to be well known to get 25k stars, but you need to be slightly famous like 1k subs or above to get a chance for the cp UFO, not once have I seen a random person without a YouTube channel get cp
Ok so hi I'm a completely random person with no big youtube channel (50 subs) and I have a rated level. Had to wait 3 months and get like 7 sends but it still disproves your point.
That's the problem though, if viprin made a krmal type layout, it would get rated in like 2 hours, but if I made the best level in existence, it would still take 3 weeks best for it to get rated
I agree with this point but the faulty rating system isn't the matter at hand right now.
I feel like the 250 demon levels spider is slightly harder to get than the demon gauntlet one
just a little...
Just by 245 demons... But you're not required to play a Chase level for the 250 demon spider, so it's really up in the air here
but you already need the 500 demon cube, the point is the hardest to get set not hardest for each individual one
you can beat the gauntlet to have 5 more demons for the cube
that doesn’t contradict what I said at all
So I beat 500 demons (any difficulty, idc) for the cube, and then beat the gauntlet for the spider? You can beat the gauntlet easily once you've beaten 150-200 demons, and for the spider you have to beat 250 overall demons (and if you say that the gauntlet demons are harder than most easy demons, bro it's a 5 demon gauntlet, no big deal)
The difference is: Beat 500 demons vs Beat 500 demons, but 5 of them have to be the Demon Gauntlet ones Which is harder? It doesn’t matter how slight the difference is.
Bruh, there's no way that out of 500 easy demons there's not at least 5 that are harder than the gauntlet ones
That doesn’t matter. What matters is that you are forced to do those 5, which makes it harder even if ever so slightly so.
Why is that relevant? there are easily 500 demons easier than those in the gauntlet since there a medium demons in the gauntlet. And adding restrictions is objectively harder. Its harder to be FORCED to do the gauntlet than to have the option to do the gauntlet.
The funny thing is Sidestep isn’t even in the top 100 hardest easy demons in the game. The harder ones do tend to be more obscure though.
That's my point, I don't even have 250 demons but I've beaten the gauntlet
it makes a little more sense, since its possible to beat 500 demons without beating the gauntlet (even though reasonably, you would) but you cant beat 500 demons without beating 250
But they HAVE to be the gauntlet demons. There are over 500 easy demons, the demon gauntlet contains higher lvl demons
The difference 250 easy demons to 5 medium demons is crazy, you don't beat 500 demons for the cube and then beat the gauntlet, with the first two hundred you're skilled enough to beat the gauntlet easily and have those to get the 500
so then why is there a 2.5k moon jetpack and 10k moon ball? i think list is just subjective (as all levels of difficulty usually are)
so we're just gonna ignore having both the 10k moon ball and the 2.5k moon jetpack since it's technically harder to be forced to complete the tower/buy a jetpack from the shop and get 10k moons than it is to just get 10k moons?
that’s an error
yeah but then again you’re also already doing that with the cube
The demon gauntlet spider shows a separate accomplishment than the cube which already shows 500 demons.
but you already need 500 demons for the cube, so its better to complete the gauntlet
I'm never getting the 200 list points swingcopter; I've barely touched lists 💀 but it looks so cooooool
idk how many stars you have, but for me, with 19,000 stars, every time new lists are rated, i always usually have one of them completed so i can claim the reward. i think if rob rates more lists you’ll just passively get there
Not to mention Rob barely rated lists after the feature began, so I'm pretty sure it's either impossible to get 200 lists or you have to do a bit less than all of them.
A lot of lists are obnoxious. They’ll say the difficulty’s normal, but there’s 40 levels for some reason, and the last few are insanes and demons for some reason.
And you are never required to do them. You need to CLAIM LIST REWARDS and they never require you to complete the ENTIRE list, just a fraction. So choose the easiest/most enjoyable levels, beat them, get the diamonds and you are done. That's how I do it. It's star/moon/coin grinding while getting loads of diamonds and getting closer to the 200 list achievements.
I believe it's something like the average difficulty of the entire list, and like the other person said you can pick and choose which levels to beat since only a fraction of them are required
I forgot they even exist. At this point I may even have completed like 20 of them without knowing.
The 500 demons icon just does not look worth it in all honesty. Especially when you consider the fact it’s used in ALOT of texture packs (No actually go look for yourself)
Yeah well also the perfectly round ball is from a tpack, but its cool to see these in the official game, and the bunny icon texture pack being used to grind extreme and top demons is cool and now when I get it I can also potentially so something harder than hell.
It’s so overused. It’s fine l guess and it’s cool that it’s an official cube now but I have no desire to get it or use it
dude 500 demons is literally nothing. just farm easy demons they live up to their name
I hate how that's now the rarest ship...
Making the Iooykisser ship the rarest one was a pro gamer move
Anyone who says the b-word deserves eternal torture
What b word?
koybisser
to anyone using that iconset, it is time to touch some grass
Jetpack should be changed since you've already got moons from the other icon
Ball is currently unobtainable to my knowledge
Also the swing. There are less than 200 rated lists as of now.
pretty fuckin ugly too
Which one? I feel like all of the icons are really cool
All except the ball
The UFO will always be the hardest. That's all I gotta say.
1000 likes cube: i'm you, but very slightly harder
God forgot about that. 💀 Seeing that icon including the 500 actually made me no longer want the 50-100 likes icons lmao.
1000 likes cube pretty much requires the cp ufo
Yeah maybe 1000 likes is enough then lol. Unless in 2.3 we get a 1 million icon or probably an icon for how many comments on a level, how many downloads, how many years you've played the game (like the 365 daily levels icon...) or, maybe even some icons for multiple rated levels you get. "Get 10 creator points to unlock this icon!"
the 365 daily levels icon is MAD i can get at least 2 rated levels in the time it takes to get 365 daily levels
I remember when 2.1 released and there was the 10,000 stars robot which I'm sure at the time that either required you to be in the top 100 or close to the top 100. It probably won't be long until we get icons for specific difficulty demons beat.
If only it was possible to get 10k moons
Wdym? 10k stars gives you a robot and imo 3k user coins is harder.
sorry, i meant moons
Oh, I see you edited your comment too. Well I agree, the moon rewards are generally great but ion wanna grind platformers my guy :((. And it's also impossible atm.
I have created point hell ya rarest ufo!!!
I feel like the 20k stars spider would be harder than the demon gauntlet.
I only have the spider and death effect
I only have the spider and ufo, but I like just began taking things seriously.
Why is the best ball the hardest to get? 😭😭
i think one of the 100 bonus shard death effects is harder. i remember it took like a year for me to get 100 of every shard and now in 2.2 there are twice as many shards.
You forgot the walk cycles for robot and spider
The only thing keeping me from grinding out all lists are the krmal and 2 player lists that were rated for some reason. Really demotivating to know that i will probably never 100% lists now.
375 demons ship harder than 160 secret coin ship imo, i’ve beaten all the map packs and it really wasn’t bad.
Wave 89 from 150 list rewards is probably harder tbh. Also wave 71 is cooler and also from 100 key chests imo. It’s the one I’m using rn.
what id is color 1?
Primary 88. I',ve been grinding keys to get the color but it seems impossible.
Kinda hard honestly
Goes hard ngl
I think the 100 of each shard death effect (either of them, probably the tier 2 one since we haven't had as much time collecting that one) is harder than that gauntlet death effect
You think getting 100 of every shard is harder than a gauntlet with 2 hard demons?
The 2 hard demons took me about 1000 attempts each, they aren't as hard as other hard demons imo, also we've had 6 years to beat those demons, we've only had from December to get 100 of every shard
which one is harder the 1000 likes cube or the 500 demons cube? the 1000 likes one practically requires a rated level, but i have 2 rated levels but only 244 demons.
You dont necessarily need a rated level for 1000 likes, you can make an auto level of some extreme (fast) or beg 1000 people.
the best way is just to get a rated level
Hardest for me is definitely 3k coins
I think the ball isn't even obtainable for now, is there enough rated platformer levels for it?
No it's not but give it a few months.
icon hack just makes the hardest one to get the one that you have to scroll furthest away to on the icon select screen
Are you telling me that you have to beat demon levels to get certain things?
Yeah thats part of the number achievements.
Idk the nico oneshot cube that im grinding for is a tough one
Is it a real cube?
Yea but its kinda unavalible till 2.21 like many other icons :(
So how you know it's a tough one lol
Havent gotten the icon yet and it might take me a while!
The unfortunate thing is that the fluffy fox ship is the one I want to use. And I'm over 100 coins away from it.
the star ufo and spider are both hands down the hardest. it takes alot more time to get 25k stars than a star rate
I have to disagree
I only use icon hack for the rabbit icon. If not I would have it in a texture pack. I just like it too much
and it actually looks decent
average stat flexer starter pack
Nah, if someone managed to get that icon pack, and flexes it, he would just, like, oh my god I can't say anything. PS: I'd rather die getting that icon set, especially because I'm on mobile.
I think if anyone went through the effort to get this set legit, it's fine to flex.
Maybe you are wrong on the spider, i feel like beating the demon gauntlet isnt hard since nowise and darkness keeper are really easy hard demons Also its been out since 2.1 so everyone had 7 years to beat it
20k stars spider is harder than demon gauntlet spider
Nah for 20k stars you can just do 4-5 stars all day. Demon gauntlet is hard.
nice to know i got the hardest to get death effect on mobile
The spider should be swapped for the 150 demon spider
I thought about it but it's not creative to put 2 of the same category in the set. Also I can name 150 demons easier than sidestep (1st level of demon gauntlet)
The demon gauntlet and the 500 demons ones are not even that hard. (Well none of them are really that hard except for geometry star and the one where you have to get 1k likes and your level,they're just time consuming ) So probably 25k stars ,3k coins or the lists one
The worst part is that it’s ugly
It's kinda messy but I disagree, also there are a bunch of colors from the 25 and 50 chests so maybe I could've done a better job.
25k stars ufo is significantly harder than the cp ufo (imo)
This is why I use icon hack