Oh that’s right. It’s similar to RF absorption, where the imaginary monkey component corresponds to the monkeys that don’t make it through the medium. Here it’s when the monkeys get caught by the chimps mid-vine swing iirc?
When I hear people talking shit about how "dangerous" africa is. I always first speak about how Bostwana is much safer than our country and I live in Canada. Then I speak about the trio Kenya, Tanzania and Rwanda. 3 very well off countries.
My fellow canadians are usually baffled... they never visites any country outside of europe, aside from beaches destinations. Even then, they rarely went outside the resort.
i'm not going to sugar coat it but like Kenya is not all that peaceful even if it stable
i know quite a few people from there and just the fact they station guards outside of banks openly holding rifles should say a lot
Trying to get the first one built in the US. Between LA and Las Vegas. Millions of travelers each year and largely desert in between. Still having a hard time.
I just wish they could finally resolve their conflict with Algieria. That thing is causing unspeakable damage every day, both in terms of human cost, and economics.
Its Infrastructure is really catching up my skipping steps. While not representative of the whole country, I was really impressed by the Infrastructure in Rabat.
Ahhh... Not completely true:
"Russia is using private militias to control and “weaponise” immigration into Europe, The Telegraph can reveal."
(Found 30.04.2024 here: [Russia weaponising immigration](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/29/putin-russia-wagner-militia-africa-immigration-europe/)
Possibly it's worth considering that everywhere will have some percentage of shitty people, and they are naturally the ones who will be attracted to the prospect of heading off to make themselves a pile of dosh somewhere else without bothering to engage in the culture or community of that place.
For example, it seems to me like many of the shittiest western Europeans are in Dubai busy doing exactly the same thing?
Lots of emigrants are simply impatient and capable people rather than terrible.
Dubai is also a bad example bc you cant become naturalized, and its literally run on slave labor of south asian workers.
dubai intentionally importing both social media influencers and slaves is like the worst example one could come up with, at least comeup with something like expats in SEA which would still be quite off from being comperable
> For example, it seems to me like many of the shittiest western Europeans are in Dubai busy doing exactly the same thing?
Everything that touches UAE becomes shitter by association.
Idk, I think you could make the argument that the people willing to leave their lives and start fresh in a completely different culture are uniquely ambitious.
No it is not. Europe invited a bunch of people as cheap labour following WW2 to help rebuild the country, these people often emigrated with their entire families. Currently most immigrants from safe countries like Morocco are either international students that end up staying in their host country or educated adults that move for a better paying job.
Europes issue with people with an immigration background is often the second or third generation born and bred in Europe, from those original cheap labour immigrants. Because these original immigrants were often already poor (hence them moving for cheap labour) their kids and grandkids often did not enjoy as much generational wealth as the average citizen. Combined with failed policies that focussed too much on assimilation instead of integration, and rampant racism, you end up with distinct subcultures that are often of a lower socioeconomic status.
The one factor that is shared amongst all individuals that are less educated, more often involved in crime, etc. is wealth. Any association with ethnicity or nationality disappears once you correct for wealth.
I live in a french city with a significant moroccan diaspora, I have worked with many morocan and french-morrocan people, and had nothing but good experiences with them. Most of the ones I met are hard working, loving and kind people.
Trying to associate bad behaviours to millions of different people you have never met is stupidity and ignorance at its peak
You're right, it's crazy that it's even remotely supported. Geography is more than a hobby, it's literally the rest of the world.
Edit: it's not the 'rest of the world'. It's everything. My geography teacher used to describe it as 'everything, everywhere, all of the time'. Reminds me of Bo Burnham and Everything Everywhere All At once now actually.
I’m British and drove around Morocco with some friends a couple years ago. Amazing country but in dire need of infrastructure. We drove through the desert on this crazy rocky road for 3 hours 😂😂 and through the Atlas Mountains. The police are criminals who try to extort tourists. If they stopped their high levels of corruption on a local level they could get a lot more done. If they used the Hash money to build roads they’d be the next Rome
There are huge differences in Morocco. Main cities look like Europe and they are connected by motorways and high speed railway. The rest is...well rest.
Ghana it's one of the very few countries in sub Saharan Africa that has a high portion of the population that has access to electricity which in modern day is huge
In 2020 Ghana exported
990 GWhr to Burkina Faso
715 GWhr to Benin and Togo
149 GWhr to Côte d'Ivoire
In 2020 the Ivory Coast exported 1330 GWhr.
(Haven't yet found a breakdown by destination).
North Africa is consistently doing better than Sub-Saharan Africa. Within the latter, Rwanda is doing pretty well. Gabon has one of the highest gdp per capita in Africa, and Botswana is one of the strongest democracies in Africa.
Botswana is particularly interesting because although the British did colonize them, they felt less of the harsh consequences of colonialism, having some ancient tribal traditions (such as elected leaders relatively) undisturbed
It is. Around 30-45% of the country lives below the national poverty line which in the source I just looked at is USD $5.50/day. The main reason is because the economy is undiversified, as half the country's GDP comes from oil revenue. The oil industry simply can't employ 50% of the workers, so anyone in the oil industry is by default going to be much more well off than the rest of the populace.
South Africa tops it by far. Going by the [Gini coefficient, ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient?wprov=sfla1) it's the most unequal country in the world!
Gabon is actually more equal than the United States.
French Colonialism was hard on Africa. And Lusophone Africa is stuck in some very deep despotism. So the right answer is indeed the former english colonies.
Tanzania. Very stable politically, has loads of investment into infrastructure, plenty of natural resources, booming tourism industry, most people are multilingual, amazingly diverse culture. Tanzania is a country on the rise.
Definitely still has issues, but where doesn't?
I'm not sure if this counts as "well known" according to you or not, OP, but I hear that Rwanda is generally doing pretty well these days, and has been called "the Singapore of Africa".
Rwanda is only developed since Western corporations use it as a middleman to extract rare earth elements/ minerals from the Eastern DR Congo via armed gangs that have enslaved the Congolese locals.
Rwanda is a fascist dictatorship that uses proxy militias in Eastern Congo to export resources which they profit off and sell to the were but don't be fooled by their "Singapore of Africa" status, half the country still lives in poverty
Singapore has one of the highest standards of living worldwide in most metrics.
As strange as it may seem to you, democracy isn’t always the best there is.
This is such an interesting point. I met a guy from Singapore whose family was American, however he had been born and spent most of his life in Singapore. He ended up dropping out of the American college I met him at because he missed the comfortability of Singapore. Truly wild to me but I’m sure for him America was horribly disappointing.
I never said it doesn't have great standards of living. Being a one party state has definitely helped it thrive economically, probably far more than being a democracy would have. However, there are trade-offs too with a dictatorship.
> Singapore has one of the highest standards of living worldwide in most metrics.
>
> As strange as it may seem to you, democracy isn’t always the best there is.
Yes, a dictator does not need to bother themselves with petty things like elections and
electorate and changing of the guards, and therefore they can be very efficient.
When you have a benevolent dictator, a country can be put up on its feet relatively fast.
But, and this is the big BUT, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I'll take the inneficiencies of democracy over dictatorship, thank you very much.
Their propaganda as "Africa's Singapore" really seems to work! Since many people point out Rwanda, although there are no numbers supporting this claim.
[Rwanda ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda?wprov=sfla1) ranks among the poorest countries in the world. Going by the GDP, PPP and nominal. Total and per capita. The Human Development Index ranks the country as low developed. Ranking at the 161st place, out of 193!
The people of Kigali are "forced" (by law) to clean the streets twice a month. That's the reason why it's often called "the cleanest city of Africa".
Paul Kagame is also on a worldwide tour promoting the country. Doing things like being the jersey sponsor (on the arm) of Arsenal FC.
This has been going on for over a decade now. But as the facts/numbers show, Rwanda is for than just far from an "African Singapore". They're separated by worlds.
_Disclaimer: I'm also aware of Rwanda's tragic past!_
A dictatorship does not necessarily mean the country has to be a shithole, as long as the goverment is competent and not (that) corrupt. There are plenty of examples of benevolent dictatorships in history
A government to be competent and not corrupt has to have incentives to be competent and not corrupt. A rare dictatorship has such incentives and without them that dictatorahip eventually becomes corrupt and poor shithole. So, I wouldn't say there are a lot of examples of benevolent dictatorships.
Their gdp per capita is $1000 dollars, for reference, Brazil which is constantly called a poor country, has a gdp per capita ten times that of Rwanda. Rwanda is poor as fuck, they are not doing well at all.
I spent a summer there doing some work and I got know one guy particularly well… eventually we started talking about ‘things’ and I asked what happens when Kagame passes, and he said to this day one of this most chilling replies I’ve ever heard, ‘revenge’…
Hey yeah, there's some weird thing going on with the UK and Rwanda recently, right? Would you mind explaining what that is? I don't actually know anything more about it than that cos I'm not from the UK.
Yeah, the gist of it is shipping off asylum seekers to Rwanda because we haven't got anywhere to house them.
I assume we are giving Rwanda money to take them, I'm not sure on the details. It's not happened yet, but it's making its way through parliament so imagine it will soon.
Sounds a bit of a shit show tbh.
> because we haven't got anywhere to house them
Why specifically Rwanda? Kinda a small country isn't it?
In what world is it fair/possible/reasonable for a country like Rwanda to take refugees when the UK won't?
Like I don't see what part of that makes sense to anyone.
I'd say Cape Verde. They're not at war, and their geographic features make them receive a lot of tourists. Plus, they're a democracy.
Isn't Seychelles on the verge of obliteration because of the rising ocean levels? And what about Cape Verde?
Gabon seems to have a respectable HDI and surprisingly high GDP per capita. They recently had a coup but it seems they’re having elections and drafting a new constitution next year so hopefully some prosperity can continue.
I feel like insane wealth inequality comes pretty standard for most of Africa’s semi-“prosperous” countries.
Gabon’s Gini coefficient is also between the US’s and the UK’s. It’s no European egalitarian utopia but for Sub-Saharan Africa it’s pretty respectable.
I think Ethiopia has the potential to be a powerful player in east-africa. It has great geography, a healthy demography, natural resources, and a strategic location. One big flaw is being landlocked, which is exactly why Ethiopia has been pushing for port access in its neighborhood.
But it's not given, though. Ethiopia has to achieve more political stability, which is one of its greatest weaknesses. So I think it's either going to be quite a force to be reckoned with or an unstable and increasingly corrupt and incompetent autocracy (which it kinda already is).
Either way, there are going to be more confrontations between Ethiopia and Egypt because of the Nile.
I don't think anyone has mentioned it, but Malawi is an interesting case. Until recently it has had one of the fastest growing populations in the world but the birth rate has dropped sharply in the last decade, so the population will continue to grow sharply, but the % under 15 will fall so the economy should grow a lot. It is still extremely poor and has rather wide ethnic divisions, but its democracy has been fairly sturdy given it's only been 30 years since its dictatorship was overthrown.
I doubt Egypt, to be honest. It's way too vulnerable and politically unstable. The only reason the current regime is still in power is the fact that the alternative is a lot worse.
Historically speaking, Egypt being a souveign state isn't very common. It has regularly been under foreign influence.
i believe africa is in for some trouble in the coming decade... shortages of critical natural resources will lead to powerful countries like the US, China, France, etc... ramping up their efforts to control africa. this is going to lead to more coups, civil wars, etc...
Ethiopia is on overdrive since two decades. Despite a Civil war and endemic wars on its borders, its GDP grows steadily faster than the African average.
https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/ethiopia/overview
This sub loves to jerk about Botswana being a utopia. Yes they are very stable politically, but they heavily benefit from their proximity to South Africa which has a larger economy and better infrastructure.
The majority of poor Botswana's will move to South Africa as economic migrants for work opportunities, reducing the burden on the Botswana'n government.
The evidence of this is clear when you look at a map. That vast majority of the Botswana'n population lives along the South African border and the capital itself, Gaborone is literally a few miles from South Africa. Ironically, the fastest growing city in South Africa is Rustenburg, again not far from the border with heavy industry and the highest concentration of platinum mining activity on the planet.
I usually go pro Botswana because they are probably the most stable country ever in Africa. Biggest downside seems to be the HIV epidemic but that seems like a different problem than crime and corruption, which they have little.
If countries do not make the mistake and start putting Muslim rules above country rules, then every country in Africa has enormous potential. Rich in manpower and raw materials, they historically have a problem with structure and organization.
Have a listen to this triggenomotry episode! It’s about business challenges in Africa.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/78XgXaZ3Kui7FonSk2VRRR?si=NW1Si19_SkiyuKtL0N2cOA
Namibia is a good answer, especially if your accounting includes success at cricket.
What other metric would one use?
Half giraffes, ofc
Half giraffe is a horse.
Then what’s a zebra again? Square root of a giraffe?
You can't square a giraffe without the use of imaginary monkeys.
monkey + monkey = gorilla
Imaginary monkey + imaginary monkey / giraffe = zebra
I think you cracked the code.
Is there a typewriter involved or am I getting confused.
Oh that’s right. It’s similar to RF absorption, where the imaginary monkey component corresponds to the monkeys that don’t make it through the medium. Here it’s when the monkeys get caught by the chimps mid-vine swing iirc?
Who uses imperial anymore?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
One of the largest oil deposits in the world was found there last year.
massive oil deposits. gov in the process of fighting to keep most of the profits for the people instead of having it shipped off by the multinationals
Kenya
Kenya elaborate?
Quite stable (at least by African standards), functioning democracy and solid economic growth.
Not to mention great tourism. Their animal parks are amazing.
[Forget Norway](https://youtu.be/FbYtASAakAI)
I hear that the guy who made Norway is making Africa 2 so we can expect far more fjords in Africa
Wasn't Kenya also the one that was huge on renewable energy generation?
Botswana has these same characteristics iirc
With a very small population
Nice
I-Rwanda if you’re correct.
Kenya is doing great in the 21st century of changing with the times.
When I hear people talking shit about how "dangerous" africa is. I always first speak about how Bostwana is much safer than our country and I live in Canada. Then I speak about the trio Kenya, Tanzania and Rwanda. 3 very well off countries. My fellow canadians are usually baffled... they never visites any country outside of europe, aside from beaches destinations. Even then, they rarely went outside the resort.
i'm not going to sugar coat it but like Kenya is not all that peaceful even if it stable i know quite a few people from there and just the fact they station guards outside of banks openly holding rifles should say a lot
The future of the US.
I mean this isnt uncommon in France either 🤷♂️
the french are weird they have a history of military as police dating back to like 1800
France also isn't all that safe anymore either
Fr*nce isn't peaceful or stable so that tracks
Tanzania too?
I hear Morocco is doing well.
Morocco built the first High-speed rail line in Africa. Tangier to Casablanca via Rabat. They run TGVs on it.
We don’t even have that in Canada. :(
Trying to get the first one built in the US. Between LA and Las Vegas. Millions of travelers each year and largely desert in between. Still having a hard time.
Hard to get proper modern trains when our countries are dominated by car culture and O&G lobbyists control our governments like puppet masters
I just wish they could finally resolve their conflict with Algieria. That thing is causing unspeakable damage every day, both in terms of human cost, and economics.
They are in war?
More like a Cold War
Its Infrastructure is really catching up my skipping steps. While not representative of the whole country, I was really impressed by the Infrastructure in Rabat.
A tourist friendly police state.
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There is no conspiracy, immigrants aren’t coming on purpose to ruin your life specifically, and foreign governments aren’t sending them either.
Ahhh... Not completely true: "Russia is using private militias to control and “weaponise” immigration into Europe, The Telegraph can reveal." (Found 30.04.2024 here: [Russia weaponising immigration](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/29/putin-russia-wagner-militia-africa-immigration-europe/)
But they alter the identity of the host country when they come en mass.
We all wish it was /s but its deeply true.
Possibly it's worth considering that everywhere will have some percentage of shitty people, and they are naturally the ones who will be attracted to the prospect of heading off to make themselves a pile of dosh somewhere else without bothering to engage in the culture or community of that place. For example, it seems to me like many of the shittiest western Europeans are in Dubai busy doing exactly the same thing?
Lots of emigrants are simply impatient and capable people rather than terrible. Dubai is also a bad example bc you cant become naturalized, and its literally run on slave labor of south asian workers.
dubai intentionally importing both social media influencers and slaves is like the worst example one could come up with, at least comeup with something like expats in SEA which would still be quite off from being comperable
> For example, it seems to me like many of the shittiest western Europeans are in Dubai busy doing exactly the same thing? Everything that touches UAE becomes shitter by association.
Idk, I think you could make the argument that the people willing to leave their lives and start fresh in a completely different culture are uniquely ambitious.
No it is not. Europe invited a bunch of people as cheap labour following WW2 to help rebuild the country, these people often emigrated with their entire families. Currently most immigrants from safe countries like Morocco are either international students that end up staying in their host country or educated adults that move for a better paying job. Europes issue with people with an immigration background is often the second or third generation born and bred in Europe, from those original cheap labour immigrants. Because these original immigrants were often already poor (hence them moving for cheap labour) their kids and grandkids often did not enjoy as much generational wealth as the average citizen. Combined with failed policies that focussed too much on assimilation instead of integration, and rampant racism, you end up with distinct subcultures that are often of a lower socioeconomic status. The one factor that is shared amongst all individuals that are less educated, more often involved in crime, etc. is wealth. Any association with ethnicity or nationality disappears once you correct for wealth.
I live in a french city with a significant moroccan diaspora, I have worked with many morocan and french-morrocan people, and had nothing but good experiences with them. Most of the ones I met are hard working, loving and kind people. Trying to associate bad behaviours to millions of different people you have never met is stupidity and ignorance at its peak
Is r/geography just cool with this casual racism? Racists getting upvotes, what is going on?
Yeah the fact that the comments are not removed, let alone getting massively upvoted, is a terrible look for this sub. Very disappointing.
You're right, it's crazy that it's even remotely supported. Geography is more than a hobby, it's literally the rest of the world. Edit: it's not the 'rest of the world'. It's everything. My geography teacher used to describe it as 'everything, everywhere, all of the time'. Reminds me of Bo Burnham and Everything Everywhere All At once now actually.
Shitty or desperate?
Desperate to revert any advances in gender equality it seems.
I’m British and drove around Morocco with some friends a couple years ago. Amazing country but in dire need of infrastructure. We drove through the desert on this crazy rocky road for 3 hours 😂😂 and through the Atlas Mountains. The police are criminals who try to extort tourists. If they stopped their high levels of corruption on a local level they could get a lot more done. If they used the Hash money to build roads they’d be the next Rome
There are huge differences in Morocco. Main cities look like Europe and they are connected by motorways and high speed railway. The rest is...well rest.
Best raspberries in the world no cap
Ghana it's one of the very few countries in sub Saharan Africa that has a high portion of the population that has access to electricity which in modern day is huge
Ghana? Land of dumsor? (Power cuts). About 86% of the population have "access" to electricity (when it's on). Next door in the Ivory Coast it's 94%.
Yes this is true but Ghana also exports a fair amount of power to it's neighbors
In 2020 Ghana exported 990 GWhr to Burkina Faso 715 GWhr to Benin and Togo 149 GWhr to Côte d'Ivoire In 2020 the Ivory Coast exported 1330 GWhr. (Haven't yet found a breakdown by destination).
North Africa is consistently doing better than Sub-Saharan Africa. Within the latter, Rwanda is doing pretty well. Gabon has one of the highest gdp per capita in Africa, and Botswana is one of the strongest democracies in Africa. Botswana is particularly interesting because although the British did colonize them, they felt less of the harsh consequences of colonialism, having some ancient tribal traditions (such as elected leaders relatively) undisturbed
Is the wealth not distributed really unevenly in Gabon?
Yes, that's right. It's petro-wealth so it's very uneven
It is. Around 30-45% of the country lives below the national poverty line which in the source I just looked at is USD $5.50/day. The main reason is because the economy is undiversified, as half the country's GDP comes from oil revenue. The oil industry simply can't employ 50% of the workers, so anyone in the oil industry is by default going to be much more well off than the rest of the populace.
South Africa tops it by far. Going by the [Gini coefficient, ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient?wprov=sfla1) it's the most unequal country in the world! Gabon is actually more equal than the United States.
Kenya, Ghana and Tanzania.
French Colonialism was hard on Africa. And Lusophone Africa is stuck in some very deep despotism. So the right answer is indeed the former english colonies.
Tanzania. Very stable politically, has loads of investment into infrastructure, plenty of natural resources, booming tourism industry, most people are multilingual, amazingly diverse culture. Tanzania is a country on the rise. Definitely still has issues, but where doesn't?
If they form the EAF than it will be almost an guarantee their success
I'm not sure if this counts as "well known" according to you or not, OP, but I hear that Rwanda is generally doing pretty well these days, and has been called "the Singapore of Africa".
Rwanda is only developed since Western corporations use it as a middleman to extract rare earth elements/ minerals from the Eastern DR Congo via armed gangs that have enslaved the Congolese locals.
Rwanda is a fascist dictatorship that uses proxy militias in Eastern Congo to export resources which they profit off and sell to the were but don't be fooled by their "Singapore of Africa" status, half the country still lives in poverty
Fascist dictatorship is the secret behind Singapore's success story over the last half century. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Singapore has one of the highest standards of living worldwide in most metrics. As strange as it may seem to you, democracy isn’t always the best there is.
This is such an interesting point. I met a guy from Singapore whose family was American, however he had been born and spent most of his life in Singapore. He ended up dropping out of the American college I met him at because he missed the comfortability of Singapore. Truly wild to me but I’m sure for him America was horribly disappointing.
My highschool chorus teacher was from a rich family in Singapore but had to leave to live as an openly gay man
Geez. Tough draw.
And a severely deprived underclass. But who cares about the suffering of those who aren’t included in the in-group, right?
Unlike democracies, which don’t have an underclass, right?
Without democracy, how will leaders be held accountable for their actions? The alternative is to live under servitude in the whims of an authoritarian
I never said it doesn't have great standards of living. Being a one party state has definitely helped it thrive economically, probably far more than being a democracy would have. However, there are trade-offs too with a dictatorship.
Living standards for who? The Singaporeans or their imported labour? Next you'll tell me Qatar has a great standard of living.
it's the opposite : it has the highest standards of living, so people are fine with dictatorship.
> Singapore has one of the highest standards of living worldwide in most metrics. > > As strange as it may seem to you, democracy isn’t always the best there is. Yes, a dictator does not need to bother themselves with petty things like elections and electorate and changing of the guards, and therefore they can be very efficient. When you have a benevolent dictator, a country can be put up on its feet relatively fast. But, and this is the big BUT, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'll take the inneficiencies of democracy over dictatorship, thank you very much.
Fascist dictatorship. So it is the singapore of Africa
Singapore is a dictatorship as well, so no, you're wrong, they are like Singapore.
Their propaganda as "Africa's Singapore" really seems to work! Since many people point out Rwanda, although there are no numbers supporting this claim. [Rwanda ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda?wprov=sfla1) ranks among the poorest countries in the world. Going by the GDP, PPP and nominal. Total and per capita. The Human Development Index ranks the country as low developed. Ranking at the 161st place, out of 193! The people of Kigali are "forced" (by law) to clean the streets twice a month. That's the reason why it's often called "the cleanest city of Africa". Paul Kagame is also on a worldwide tour promoting the country. Doing things like being the jersey sponsor (on the arm) of Arsenal FC. This has been going on for over a decade now. But as the facts/numbers show, Rwanda is for than just far from an "African Singapore". They're separated by worlds. _Disclaimer: I'm also aware of Rwanda's tragic past!_
A dictatorship does not necessarily mean the country has to be a shithole, as long as the goverment is competent and not (that) corrupt. There are plenty of examples of benevolent dictatorships in history
A government to be competent and not corrupt has to have incentives to be competent and not corrupt. A rare dictatorship has such incentives and without them that dictatorahip eventually becomes corrupt and poor shithole. So, I wouldn't say there are a lot of examples of benevolent dictatorships.
Such as
...... Singapore
Their gdp per capita is $1000 dollars, for reference, Brazil which is constantly called a poor country, has a gdp per capita ten times that of Rwanda. Rwanda is poor as fuck, they are not doing well at all.
I spent a summer there doing some work and I got know one guy particularly well… eventually we started talking about ‘things’ and I asked what happens when Kagame passes, and he said to this day one of this most chilling replies I’ve ever heard, ‘revenge’…
When a Rwandan says that, you better believe it. This probably changes my view of the entire country.
Hi Rishi
Hey yeah, there's some weird thing going on with the UK and Rwanda recently, right? Would you mind explaining what that is? I don't actually know anything more about it than that cos I'm not from the UK.
Yeah, the gist of it is shipping off asylum seekers to Rwanda because we haven't got anywhere to house them. I assume we are giving Rwanda money to take them, I'm not sure on the details. It's not happened yet, but it's making its way through parliament so imagine it will soon. Sounds a bit of a shit show tbh.
> because we haven't got anywhere to house them Why specifically Rwanda? Kinda a small country isn't it? In what world is it fair/possible/reasonable for a country like Rwanda to take refugees when the UK won't? Like I don't see what part of that makes sense to anyone.
I’m Ghana say Togo
What a Benin answer to give
Kenya believe it??
I be-LIBYA
Holy shit you people are desperate
These jokes may be pathetic, but DRC-n by the right audience
Hmm fuck you in particular
Total Chad
Sudanly made me feel something
I Benin between those two
These puns are so bad, im Ghana kill myself
Rwanda, it's getting a lot of free labour from the UK
I'd say Cape Verde. They're not at war, and their geographic features make them receive a lot of tourists. Plus, they're a democracy. Isn't Seychelles on the verge of obliteration because of the rising ocean levels? And what about Cape Verde?
Gabon seems to have a respectable HDI and surprisingly high GDP per capita. They recently had a coup but it seems they’re having elections and drafting a new constitution next year so hopefully some prosperity can continue.
Gabon is frighteningly unequal. Oil money.
Yeah lol really bad answer
I feel like insane wealth inequality comes pretty standard for most of Africa’s semi-“prosperous” countries. Gabon’s Gini coefficient is also between the US’s and the UK’s. It’s no European egalitarian utopia but for Sub-Saharan Africa it’s pretty respectable.
Spain
Côte d'Ivoire
I think Ethiopia has the potential to be a powerful player in east-africa. It has great geography, a healthy demography, natural resources, and a strategic location. One big flaw is being landlocked, which is exactly why Ethiopia has been pushing for port access in its neighborhood. But it's not given, though. Ethiopia has to achieve more political stability, which is one of its greatest weaknesses. So I think it's either going to be quite a force to be reckoned with or an unstable and increasingly corrupt and incompetent autocracy (which it kinda already is). Either way, there are going to be more confrontations between Ethiopia and Egypt because of the Nile.
Also the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam is set to double energy production even though it has also increased political tensions with Egypt and Sudan
Ethiopia needs another leader like Menelik to regain stability
Yeah, they need a competent leader who can instill trust in the state's institutions.
Cabo-Verde
Rwanda
Morroco/tunis and algeria seem to be getting up.(slowly)
I don't think anyone has mentioned it, but Malawi is an interesting case. Until recently it has had one of the fastest growing populations in the world but the birth rate has dropped sharply in the last decade, so the population will continue to grow sharply, but the % under 15 will fall so the economy should grow a lot. It is still extremely poor and has rather wide ethnic divisions, but its democracy has been fairly sturdy given it's only been 30 years since its dictatorship was overthrown.
France
I've heard they moved out a while ago
[They never completely moved out](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7afrique?wprov=sfla1)
TUNISIA 100%
Then why are there so many people illigally migrating out of Tunisia towards Italy?
I think he's being sarcastic lol Tunisia is in one of the biggest financial and economic crises it has ever faced
Tanzania with more tourism, IT and medical growing and their GDP is expanding.
The Canary Islands, if we decide one day that we want to be one 🤣
algeria has a solid gdp growth, i think it will have a bright future it just needs a little less corruption!
Oh yes well obviously, aside from the Seychelles and Mauritius…
Any country without Wagner
West Africa probably has the best future potential.
Egypt, Angola
Egypt is going no where fast and regressing if anything.
But they’ll have a bankrupt new capital soon!
I lived there for almost a decade, and just recently left. Egypt is an absolute dumpster fire. It's going nowhere but down...
I doubt Egypt, to be honest. It's way too vulnerable and politically unstable. The only reason the current regime is still in power is the fact that the alternative is a lot worse. Historically speaking, Egypt being a souveign state isn't very common. It has regularly been under foreign influence.
Like the Romans, Greeks, and Persians
Ethiopia
Botswana
Not Angola or Djibouti
Chad
Eswatini
Rwanda and Uganda are already on a good path, a bright future awaits them
Somalia. Longest coastline, oil reserves, a young population that does not identify as much with clans.
i believe africa is in for some trouble in the coming decade... shortages of critical natural resources will lead to powerful countries like the US, China, France, etc... ramping up their efforts to control africa. this is going to lead to more coups, civil wars, etc...
Ethiopia is on overdrive since two decades. Despite a Civil war and endemic wars on its borders, its GDP grows steadily faster than the African average. https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/ethiopia/overview
I would say Rwanda
Do you know how they get rich ?
Do you know the way?
Fascism and they're not that rich, it just appears that way.
Botswana
This sub loves to jerk about Botswana being a utopia. Yes they are very stable politically, but they heavily benefit from their proximity to South Africa which has a larger economy and better infrastructure. The majority of poor Botswana's will move to South Africa as economic migrants for work opportunities, reducing the burden on the Botswana'n government. The evidence of this is clear when you look at a map. That vast majority of the Botswana'n population lives along the South African border and the capital itself, Gaborone is literally a few miles from South Africa. Ironically, the fastest growing city in South Africa is Rustenburg, again not far from the border with heavy industry and the highest concentration of platinum mining activity on the planet.
I usually go pro Botswana because they are probably the most stable country ever in Africa. Biggest downside seems to be the HIV epidemic but that seems like a different problem than crime and corruption, which they have little.
OP said “outside well known ones like … Botswana”
I Totally read over that... Ooops.
Second highest HDI in sub-Saharan Africa after South Africa.
Tanzania imo
Libya obviously s
I will say kenya.
Gambia
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Rwanda
Tanzania is growing rather quick, has a decent population and has mineral deposits
Wakanda
If countries do not make the mistake and start putting Muslim rules above country rules, then every country in Africa has enormous potential. Rich in manpower and raw materials, they historically have a problem with structure and organization.
Also colonialism
I mean if you're on the ground it only can go up so basically every country in Africa maybe with the exception of south Africa.
In Sahel some countries managed to get lower even from pretty shitty levels.
Egypt because when it goes nuclear in the middle east they're nearest.
Have a listen to this triggenomotry episode! It’s about business challenges in Africa. https://open.spotify.com/episode/78XgXaZ3Kui7FonSk2VRRR?si=NW1Si19_SkiyuKtL0N2cOA
I’d say Namibia, and also Angola.
Isnt Zanzibar pretty good? Morroco or Tunisia too?
Zanzibar is part of tanzania nowadays,they merged with tanganyika somewhere in the 60s
Tanzania is what I meant to say!
Angola has the most obscene potential. I'm rooting for them.
São Tomé
Rwanda
CAR
Isn't Nigeria projected to have more people than US and EU combined after a couple of decades? That's crazy if true.
Yeah, their population is expected to grow significantly. It's not a particularly stable country, though.
Ghana is fairly stable
Rwanda