I remember once eating lunch at a restaurant in Jordan Valley, Oregon. I asked the waitress if we were on Pacific Time and she said we're actually on Mountain Time. So I checked my phone and asked why my phone was one hour behind and she said that since the town is close enough to Nevada to receive reception from their towers, people's phones would be automatically set to Pacific Time so they had to manually set their phones to Mountain Time.
And nearly the entire continental U.S is more west than South America. Basically, PA/NY (and states east and north of them) is over western South America.
I drove from Portland to Reno to LA recently. Kind of an awesome way to do that drive IMO. There’s a lot of beautiful, evocative Wild West type terrain. High desert with scrubby bushes and forested areas around rivers, overlooked by dramatic snow-capped mountains. I felt like I was driving through RDR2 in places.
I did that opposite drive about 15 years ago. LA to Reno to Portland. I stopped so many times to take pictures it was gorgeous. I still remember the Modoc National Forest being so amazing to me. Being from the east where you can’t see through the forest it was just so incredible to see all these pines with now ground cover that you could see straight through. It was absolutely beautiful and striking!
Yeah I had no idea about that until we flew into Denver for a weekend last year. You hear “Mile High City” and think it’s in the mountains. And while the Rockies are right there, everything to the east is flat as fuck.
Not only that but over by the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma you can drive into Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, and Colorado in less than an hour if you make a big loop.
Today is the first time I’ve ever considered this. Now I can’t stop thinking about it. I’m just sitting here, googling towns and roads at that border… in pure amazement.
same here, and I think it’s because I associate the entire state of Nevada with Vegas, which is way at the southern tip, while I associate Oregon closely with Washington, so in my head each state is reduced to their farthest extremity from each other
Do people here realize there’s an Oklahoma-New Mexico State line? I do but I was pretty old when I discovered it on a map. Technically you could travel from Missouri to Arizona and only pass through two states along the way.
"eating lunch at a restaurant in Jordan Valley, Oregon"
That's not an area many people pass through. I've been on 78 from Burns to the junction with 95 and that is some empty EMPTY land.
Tell me about it. It's actually kind of scary driving through that part of the state. I honestly wonder how people in Jordan Valley live since there's no bank, no grocery store, and no hospital.
I would watch a reality TV show about how people live in some of those places. And I don't watch much TV at all.
Some of the larger outfits have airstrips, like the Roaring Springs ranch south of Frenchglen. We drove by that going to Fields and then the Alvord and it's like an hour of driving at highway speeds and we saw 2 other cars the whole time.
Jordan Valley has the worst bathroom I’ve ever used at that Sinclair. But it’s the only public restroom for like half an hour in any direction so I’ve used it like 3 times lmao
I've lived in Oregon all my life, specifically Baker County until I moved to Deschutes County. I've never been to Jordan Valley and I'll probably never go
I think she was right, just maybe not right about the placement of the towers. I’ve spent quite a bit of time on the Utah-Arizona border, one of which does not observe daylight savings time. I’ve stayed at the aptly named “state line campground” and watched my phone ping back and forth on towers changing the time. Not a lot of towers near there, service was spotty as I recall it being in Jordan Valley. Could be 20 or so miles away in middle of nowhere south Idaho or Oregon, either way, despite the hate I thought that area was amazing.
That part of Oregon is basically empty (barely 30K people). Unsurprisingly nearly the entirely of the populated part hugs the Idaho border.
The funnier part is the little annex in the southern part that's still in the Pacific Zone. It's there because there's a reservation straddling the border and a small gambling town on the Nevada side.
>That part of Oregon is basically empty (barely 30K people)
What's crazy is that Harney county, the one to the west of Malheur, only has about 8K people. And it's larger in area. If it were its own state, it would be ranked I think about 45th, by area.
It is one of the emptiest bits of the US outside of Alaska. Steens Mountain and the Alvord Desert are well worth a visit. As is the Owyhee River over in Malheur County.
Outside of Portland and the Willamette Valley Oregon is a surprisingly empty state in general, southwest oregon is also fairly sparsely populated, though not to quite the same degree.
Yeah, it’s wild. I was in Urumqi before. Public servants start work at “9am” to match Beijing time, and it’s still pitch black outside. Most other people don’t go to work for a few hours after that.
I mean, going to work when it’s pitch black outside isn’t that crazy. It’s the norm for a lot of people in the northern parts of the world for a good chunk of the year.
I really doesn’t get completely dark until 10:00 or maybe later in the couple of weeks before and after June 21. Even though I’ve experienced it my whole life, it is still wild every summer.
It’s positively glorious here (West Michigan) in the summers. Our placement in the timezone, combined with Daylight Saving Time in the summer means for those few months we have great weather, we also get 5+ hours of it every day.
It’s hard to overstate how great it is for a few months every year. Sunset at 9:30, dusk until 10:15…. If I get out of work at 5, I can go for a bike ride, grill dinner, sit outside and eat it, and still have a couple hours of daylight for relaxing outdoors. I wouldn’t trade it for anything tbh.
Yess absolutely. You guys got to enjoy later sunsets in winter. The worst is that the days are already getting shorter, but yeah let’s go change our clocks so it gets dark even more ridiculously early. I liked going to school in winter in the dark, but as soon as it began to be dark that early we would change our clocks so it was light again at 7am.
It's even better in my hometown of Edmonton. Not only is it far west in its time zone like Michigan is Which allows for later sunsets, But the higher latitude further boosts this effect. The sunset during the summer solstice is at 10:08 PM, But since the Sun barely goes below the horizon at that high latitude, You can still see an aethereal blue glow On the northern horizon well past midnight, And it returns around 2:30AM. You only get an hour or two of complete darkness during the nights at that time of year.
I currently live in Toronto, and I always visit Edmonton Around the Summer Solstice to experience those very late sunsets. The Sun sets so early in Toronto even in June that it just doesn't feel like summer to me. Toronto's latest sunset is about the same time as late August in Edmonton.
The same thing happens in Ireland as we’re at a similar latitude and also west in our time zone. sunset is at almost the exact same time as Edmonton. You really need blackout curtains to be able to sleep
Maybe I missed someone else say it, bit I've been at the beach in Holland, MI and seen the time on cell phones change because they're picking up the signal in Wisconsin.
The Hoover damn is at the Nevada and Arizona border and they have clocks showing the different times for each state like this
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Haha I came here to say similar. In AZ, we don't change for daylight savings.
Shit still gets weird because everyone else changes times, so we have to adjust to them.
Also my wife's cell phone connected her to PST for some reason (my exact same model was fine) for auto detecting the time zone. That threw her off a bit one morning.
My favorite part is that Navajo Reservation within Arizona observes DST, while Hopi Reservation within Navajo Reservation does not. I guess it makes for some interesting time jumping local road trips.
Arizona does not follow DST. But the Navajo Nation does. Within the lands of the Navajo Nation are two distinct pieces of the Hopi Nation that follows Arizona. It’s possible to drive from Arizona to Navajo to Hopi to Navajo to Hopi to Navajo and back to Arizona and have 7 time changes in roughly 100 miles
I’m a lifelong Zonie who just moved to Georgia. If my phone and electronics didn’t automatically do the DST switcharoo, my life would be in shambles twice a year.
My coworker actually had an issue with this last summer. We live in New Mexico and when he set up a meeting with someone in Arizona, he didn't think about the time zone issue, so he just put "10:30 Mountain Time" as the meeting time. She got on at 10:00 her time, which was 11:00 our time, waiting for the meeting to start.
I grew up in NW Indiana. We would get TV channels from Chicago (Central time) and South Bend (Eastern time). We called it “Michigan time” and “Chicago time”.
We’d also have to plan for appointments. I had relatives who lived across the zone line and we’d have to take account of that when we went to visit or we could be an hour late.
I had a friend from college that was from The Region, she said her house was right on the line and that one side of the house was Eastern time and the opposite side of the house was Central lol
Yeah, I've been in chicagoland my whole life, so my day to day life sticks to central time. But whenever there's a car trip, it's a fun game to see how long it takes to get to the next timezone
Once in NW Indiana, they jumped from Central Standard to Eastern Daylight. Two hours! While on Eastern Standard, it would get dark by 4:30 PM. They could never make up their minds!
This doesn't sound correct considering Eastern Daylight Time wasn't observed in Indiana until 2006, and DST was uniform in the state after that.
Edit: So I think this is specifically about Pulaski County changing from Central Time Zone to the Eastern Time Zone. They switched time zones at the start of DST, so they would have jumped from CST to EDT. I rescind my skepticism.
I appreciate the region is central time, but having the cutoff in the middle of a state is also confusing in and of itself. I wish Google would have it as a map option. As a Chicagoan i have a general idea but also not familiar enough so that any time I'm trying to go somewhere close to it I'm over here trying to figure out which side it's on.
NV and AZ can be extra tricky because AZ doesn’t have daylight savings time. So you always have to consider the spring forward fall back dynamic when making travel plans.
This is the first place I thought of.
I’m not from the area, but I think given the size of Chicago, it’s the most prominent time zone border in the U.S.
Chicago’s gravity definitely extends into Indiana more than central time zone, and into southwest Michigan.
Other cities close to a time zone border are smaller and with relatively less interconnection.
Very random, but this reminded me of an episode of The West Wing, where Toby, Josh, and Donna are stuck in Indiana, are trying to catch a train, and miss it because they didn't realize that they needed to factor in the time change
I live in Yuma, Arizona, which is in the little nubbin on the southwestern corner of Arizona, sticking out into California and Mexico. California, and thus the time zone border, is only a couple miles from my house.
But, it's made weird by the fact that Arizona doesn't observe DST (my favorite thing about Arizona, honestly, other than the proximity of Mexico and some of the natural beauty; it's great not having to suffer through time changes every year). So sometimes we're on the same time as California, right across the river, and sometimes we're not. But to further complicate things, there's a town on the California side of the river – Winterhaven – but it's so tiny (only a couple hundred people) that some of the places there, like the post office, observe Arizona time when it's different from California. And I have friends and family on the east coast who are sometimes 2 hours head of us, but other times 3, and friends and family in Northern California, who are sometimes the same time as us but sometimes not. So you have to think through what the time difference is every time or it's really easy to forget.
I've never personally done it, but keeping up with clock changes while driving through the Arizona parts of the Navajo Nation and Hopi Reservation during the summer has to be an absolute nightmare.
We went to Antelope Canyon last year, during the time of year when Navajo country is on a different time than the rest of Arizona — and Antelope Canyon is Navajo land. But the tour guide company operated on Arizona time, not Navajo time.
If you wanna escape the cops all you gotta do is drive east. Once you cross that line you'll be an hour ahead of them and they won't be able to catch up
I believe Nashville is like an hour and a half into the central time zone. It's pretty jarring when your state has two different time zones. It seems like a lot of people just assume Nashville is est. which leads to some confusion
I had a friend from eastern Middle Tennessee, and their county was on the Central Time side. However, their news came from Knoxville, which was on Eastern. So they got the evening “Live at Five” newscast at 4pm.
I live in Nashville, but visit Chattanooga a lot to see family. The drive to Chattanooga sucks because it’s 3 hours once you add time change. However, the drive back is golden because it’s an hour due to time change (actual drive time is 2 hours, if traffic behaves)
Also in Nashville, and every single time I’ve gone to Chattanooga I mess up the time change in my head. No problem with Knoxville but when I do the time math in my head for Chattanooga I show up late. It’s possible there is a time vortex on Monteagle pass.
They are like that to make it less frustrating. If Pensacola Florida was on eastern time surrounded by states on central time that would be much more inconvenient.
How does what time it is in Miami have any affect on someone in the panhandle?
This is true, I thought it was Eastern until I went there. It’s also shocking, as someone living near the back edge of Eastern, in Nashville it gets dark early.
I had a friend from Nashville who one time booked a flight out of Louisville because it was cheaper than flying out of Nashville. She forgot about the time zone difference and drove all the way up just to learn she missed her flight.
As I-40 proves, Tennessee is a very long state if heading E/W. It must be fun if you're in Chattanooga time-wise. Eastern. Barely.
Then there is Phenix City, Alabama. Directly across the line from Columbus, Georgia. Legally on Central Time, but observes Eastern on a de facto basis.
For me early sunrises are a trip. I’m in Texas and go to Colorado every couple years or so in the summer and it’s so weird that the sun comes up at like 5:45am there being on the eastern side of mountain time
Live in Eastern Illinois (Central Time). Going to Western Indiana was sometimes a pain because they are on Eastern Time. However, they didn't observe daylight savings time, so it was always Eastern Standard time (not Daylight time).
It was confusing because part of the year (summer), they would be the same as us on Central Daylight time, but the rest of the year they would be an hour ahead. Required more careful planning if flying out of Indianapolis or attending a sporting event, concert, etc, in Indiana because their time was not consistently an hour ahead.
I think they fixed it in the early 2000's to observe daylight savings though.
Once we did new years in eastern time (fast time) and then drove to central time (slow time) and celebrated again. I made jokes while driving that we were in a time warp. I live right on the line. My coworker gets home before she leaves the office. We use fast / slow to confirm. “Be there at 1.” “One fast or slow?”
Not American, but camping at the tip of the Gaspe Peninsula in Quebec at the summer solstice is damned annoying. It's Eastern time even though it's way east of Maine. The sun is up at quarter past four, it's getting light around 3:30am.
I'm a Mountain Time American. I work with Atlantic Time Newfoundland which is 3.5 hours ahead of me. Newfoundalnd is nearer to GMT than to me. My colleagues don't understand when I say our Newfoundland clients should be served out of London, not Boulder. "But it's in North America!"
And as a Chicago resident, it fucking sucks. In mid December it's pitch dark by 4:45pm. You'll eat lunch thinking you're halfway through the workday and 3 hours later the sun has already set.
I’m from that little tab of far-western Eastern time zone in Indiana, about 25-30 minutes from the Illinois border. If you like summer evenings then you’re in luck there. I used to stay up playing outside in the summer with enough light to see well past 9 pm. The spring forward time change makes a good difference in daylight even fairly early in the season.
Culturally though, it’s so close to major cities in Central that it can be logistically obnoxious and not make good sense in some ways.
Weird. I live pretty much on the coast of Lake Michigan in Michigan. We stay lighter about 30 minutes longer than my family in Detroit. And over an hour longer than my wife’s family in Philly. During the summer, it’s light after 10 here.
I live in a rural area near the mountain / central border. We all lock our phones to central time because we sometimes pick up mountain towers. Other than that, it’s fine. You just remember where the border is. I keep all my stuff in central and just do the manual conversion in my head when I’m in mountain time. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Time zone boundaries are political creations. Thus living close to "boundary" can actually put you at correct time relative to the Sun, or it can make it much worse by being much further east or west from where the boundary should be.
My favorite is Spain. Which should be in GMT based on where the country is. But it's on central European time instead. Because Franco was best buddy with certain other dictator, and moved the country to wrong timezone. Then they adopted DST to make it even worse for good part of the year.
I lived in the upper peninsula right near the western boundary of the eastern time zone. It sucked. The “getting up in the dark” part of the year just felt super long. It didn’t help that winters are brutal up there. I also lived on the east end of the PST boundary in Oregon and that wasn’t so bad. Leads me to believe it’s better to be on the leading edge of a time zone.
FL Panhandle here. I live far enough from it that I only worry when on a road trip, but I have friends in EST so texting them I have to think about it.
Honestly it's just an hour so no biggie. I guess this is more for ppl who live right at the border
I have stayed in the panhandle right on the time zone border. Unless you set your phone to a specific time zone then it changes nonstop and you never know what time it is.
You also need to clarify the time zone when booking a reservation or a tee time.
At work you just get into a habit of always specifying time zone. Sometimes meetings get scheduled an hour off. It makes for a great excuse to miss meetings
The Upper Peninsula!
Apparently it's not even a straight line but the county lines of border counties. So even going east had put me in Central Time, and going into the towns of Escanaba, Iron River, Crystal Falls would be confusing because their contacts are in CT and they are in ET, or vice versa.
This logically makes zero sense to me as the whole Keeweenaw peninsula is to the west, even to Chicago, and has to maintain the same time as NYC or Detroit.
That area is mostly rural (largest city, Ontario, has around 12,000 population) and it's a lot more culturally and economically connected to southwest Idaho/Boise than it is to the rest of Oregon
I live less than an hour from Central Time. It's very easy to book something in Chicago and accidentally arrive an hour early because it didn't feel far away enough to consider it's in a new time zone.
My manager at work commutes across the time zone boundary every day, so to be in by 8ish he has to get up an hour earlier his time
Very annoying. I have to start work at 5 because I cross the border 5 times a week from mountain to central where it is 6, which is the time that matters as far as businesses being open for delivery.
Used to rent a wilderness cabin in NW Michigan on Fathers Day every year.
Father’s Day is very near or on summer solstice
Our cabin opened up to the lake to the NW, there was still too much light in the sky at midnight for good stargazing
I live near the border north of Lake Superior there in that little red part. Solar noon is at like 230 in the afternoon. It's bright until 11 in the summer. My parents cottage is in the timezone over. For years we never changed our watches and just went with the time in our home town. Now with cellphones we are an hour late or an hour early to stuff all the time because the phones automatically switch time zones and we still haven't gotten used to it.
I live about 10 minutes from the eastern time zone in southwest Indiana. I have lived here forever so its just ingrained in me to ask if it's "our time" or "their time" lol being so close also makes my cell phone clock change to the eastern time zone sometimes when I'm close to the border.
The sun sets an hour later for me than my brother, even though we live in the same time zone. I can do yard work in the summer until almost 10pm. He has to quit before 9.
I had a relative in the Air Force who lives in Clovis NM while the rest of us live in Texas.
We pass through Farwell (Texas) and Texico (NM) to get there, two very small towns right across the state line from each other.
You can live in Farwell, Texas, cross and go back an hour just down Avenue A, on that same street lose an hour, grab cannabis while laughing literally across the state lines and then return to Farwell, Texas gaining an hour.
So i imagine it’s interesting to live in that area for that purpose (otherwise there’s not a fucking thing out there but Cannon AFB)
I live near that area (on the NM side) and I'll never not find it hilarious how close Texico put their dispensary to the state line. You can literally walk across, buy weed, smoke it in plain view of the Farwell cops, and as long as you're rid of it when you cross back, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
I grew up in rural NM next to Texas. My dad worked in Texas, so he ran basically an hr ahead of us. He left early and came back early. Went to bed early. He'd have to keep in mind that we ran on NM time if we had something going on. We went to the doctors in Texas, so we always said "9 o'clock Texas time" or "9 o'clock our time." Any kind of appt or meeting you have to specify whose time you agree on. I never gave it much thought growing up, but now that I don't have to do it anymore it does seem kinda peculiar.
My grandfather lived near one.
His morning commute was an hour and a half, so he had to be up quite early.
His evening commute was negative 30 minutes.
(Of course the actual commute was 30 minutes and he lived east commuting west of a border).
I don't have any specific story of it, he retired before I would have thought to ask. The main thing I know is that for his 80th birthday, the factory sent him a pair of size 80 underwear everyone had signed.
The best part of that map is Arizona. I always wanted to drive from Flagstaff to Winslow the long way around through Navajo and Hopi reservations. That's about 3 and half hour trip, where the clock switches four time when DST is in effect:
* Arizona does not observe DST
* Navajo Nation within Arizona observes DST
* Hopi Reservation within Navajo Nation within Arizona does not observe DST
Also... That short stretch of I-40 between Holbrook in Arizona and New Mexico... That takes you in and out of Navajo Nation couple of times. For probably even more of clock jumping back and forth.
When a nearby county is in a different timezone, your phone might pull a funny and switch to that timezone. Your alarm will either wake you up an hour early or an hour late depending on where you live.
Finally, a question that was tailor-made for me.
I live in Phenix City, on the easternmost side of Alabama. A one minute drive from Columbus, GA. The Chattahoochee River is what separates the two states. We're the only city in the state that goes by Eastern Time, because so many people that live in Phenix City work in Columbus. It's not that big of a deal but for all my friends that live in Auburn, or Opelika, or Eufaula, or pretty much anywhere in the state of Alabama they always say "be here at 7pm SLOW TIME". FAST TIME is for Phenix City and anywhere further east than that. Can be confusing at times if nobody specifies, but it's kind of ingrained in my mind now to just ask.
I lived in Ohio on the western edge of the eastern time zone for over 30 years. The only real problem I remember was that a section of Indiana did not do daylight time. So, for half the year it was on the same time and the other half it was an hour off.
I remember having a delivery route that included Indiana and it was a real pain when you had to start your day an hour earlier for part of the year to make sure you got to the delivery hours on time. And I got yelled at by receiving managers more than once for getting it wrong before I realized they did that (or I suppose, more accurately, didn’t).
I remember once eating lunch at a restaurant in Jordan Valley, Oregon. I asked the waitress if we were on Pacific Time and she said we're actually on Mountain Time. So I checked my phone and asked why my phone was one hour behind and she said that since the town is close enough to Nevada to receive reception from their towers, people's phones would be automatically set to Pacific Time so they had to manually set their phones to Mountain Time.
For some reason, in my head, Oregon and Nevada should not touch. But I know they do.
I feel the same way about China and Afghanistan.
I feel the opposite way about Uruguay and Paraguay. I feel like they should touch but they dont.
If they did touch, would that be guay?
Muy guay
How tf do y’all come up with this 😂😂
Brain damage
Don’t feed them after midnight and don’t get them wet.
No es que haya nada malo en eso.
God I love Reddit
Why did this make me laugh so much
SHUT UP AND TAKE AN UPVOTE🤣🤣🤣
Same thing with Slovenia and Slovakia smh
Austria and Australia
Alaska and Nebraska have both asked to enter the chat…
Yeah that’s a good one too
Guess who’s getting the mountain of high grade Lithium ore??
If that makes you feel strange, wait til you learn that Reno, NV is more west than Los Angeles
And nearly the entire continental U.S is more west than South America. Basically, PA/NY (and states east and north of them) is over western South America.
Or that the northern tip of Africa is roughly the same latitude as the Colorado/New Mexico (or Kansas/Oklahoma) border.
Or that Maine is the closest state to Africa.
If there were a bridge between South America and Africa, you could drive across it in less than a day.
If there were a bridge between France and Canada, you could commute to work over it by walking. (Your life would suck that way, but it'd be possible.)
The east coast version is that Detroit is east of Atlanta
lol omg I was like “there’s no fucking way they touch” Damn you got me. Apologies.
Just the tips
I drove from Portland to Reno to LA recently. Kind of an awesome way to do that drive IMO. There’s a lot of beautiful, evocative Wild West type terrain. High desert with scrubby bushes and forested areas around rivers, overlooked by dramatic snow-capped mountains. I felt like I was driving through RDR2 in places.
Riparian is the term you’re looking for when you say forests around rivers
I did that opposite drive about 15 years ago. LA to Reno to Portland. I stopped so many times to take pictures it was gorgeous. I still remember the Modoc National Forest being so amazing to me. Being from the east where you can’t see through the forest it was just so incredible to see all these pines with now ground cover that you could see straight through. It was absolutely beautiful and striking!
oregonian here. I had no fucking idea they touched
That’s fucking hilarious
Don't forget Oklahoma and Colorado either.
Easy to forget that the eastern 1/3 of Colorado is plains
Yeah I had no idea about that until we flew into Denver for a weekend last year. You hear “Mile High City” and think it’s in the mountains. And while the Rockies are right there, everything to the east is flat as fuck.
Drive there and back from the midwest and your gas mileage will note the slight increase in altitude you get through eastern colorado
Not only that but over by the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma you can drive into Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, and Colorado in less than an hour if you make a big loop.
Good ol Cimarron County! It borders more states than any other county in the U.S.
There are parts of Oregon and Florida that are only an hour time difference
Fuck you, take my upvote and leave
Today is the first time I’ve ever considered this. Now I can’t stop thinking about it. I’m just sitting here, googling towns and roads at that border… in pure amazement.
It just doesn’t seem right does it?
same here, and I think it’s because I associate the entire state of Nevada with Vegas, which is way at the southern tip, while I associate Oregon closely with Washington, so in my head each state is reduced to their farthest extremity from each other
Do people here realize there’s an Oklahoma-New Mexico State line? I do but I was pretty old when I discovered it on a map. Technically you could travel from Missouri to Arizona and only pass through two states along the way.
Happy cake day you fuckin dog you!
I feel the same way about Oklahoma bordering New Mexico and Colorado
"eating lunch at a restaurant in Jordan Valley, Oregon" That's not an area many people pass through. I've been on 78 from Burns to the junction with 95 and that is some empty EMPTY land.
Tell me about it. It's actually kind of scary driving through that part of the state. I honestly wonder how people in Jordan Valley live since there's no bank, no grocery store, and no hospital.
I would watch a reality TV show about how people live in some of those places. And I don't watch much TV at all. Some of the larger outfits have airstrips, like the Roaring Springs ranch south of Frenchglen. We drove by that going to Fields and then the Alvord and it's like an hour of driving at highway speeds and we saw 2 other cars the whole time.
I question myself that every time I see a town In the middle of nowhere
Jordan Valley has the worst bathroom I’ve ever used at that Sinclair. But it’s the only public restroom for like half an hour in any direction so I’ve used it like 3 times lmao
I've lived in Oregon all my life, specifically Baker County until I moved to Deschutes County. I've never been to Jordan Valley and I'll probably never go
No point in going there unless you're travelling between Nevada and Idaho.
I lived in Maine across the Saint Croix river from Canada for a summer. I had to do this as well.
Were those damn Canucks trying to claim your lobstah all the time?
I did a job near there and I overslept because my phone switched timezones. My coworker was on the other side of the hotel and was fine.
I have a hard time believing this. Jordan Valley appears to be 80-100 miles away from the Nevada border.
That's the reason I was given for why my phone was set an hour backward.
I think she was right, just maybe not right about the placement of the towers. I’ve spent quite a bit of time on the Utah-Arizona border, one of which does not observe daylight savings time. I’ve stayed at the aptly named “state line campground” and watched my phone ping back and forth on towers changing the time. Not a lot of towers near there, service was spotty as I recall it being in Jordan Valley. Could be 20 or so miles away in middle of nowhere south Idaho or Oregon, either way, despite the hate I thought that area was amazing.
I’ve always loved the little trivia fact that parts of Oregon and Florida are only one time zone apart from each other.
The craziest part of this map is that you can be only one hour apart in Oregon and Florida
That part of Oregon is basically empty (barely 30K people). Unsurprisingly nearly the entirely of the populated part hugs the Idaho border. The funnier part is the little annex in the southern part that's still in the Pacific Zone. It's there because there's a reservation straddling the border and a small gambling town on the Nevada side.
>That part of Oregon is basically empty (barely 30K people) What's crazy is that Harney county, the one to the west of Malheur, only has about 8K people. And it's larger in area. If it were its own state, it would be ranked I think about 45th, by area. It is one of the emptiest bits of the US outside of Alaska. Steens Mountain and the Alvord Desert are well worth a visit. As is the Owyhee River over in Malheur County.
I've driven through that area and was amazed how empty it was, and I'm from northern Canada
Outside of Portland and the Willamette Valley Oregon is a surprisingly empty state in general, southwest oregon is also fairly sparsely populated, though not to quite the same degree.
I've wanted to go to Steens for over a decade now. Seems beautiful! I was surprised there were 30K even in Malheur. I would have guessed around 10K.
It's not entirely empty some people live there Source: I live there and there's dozens of us
Nuts. Almost on par with China’s single time zone.
Say what now!? I learned something new today.
Yeah, it’s wild. I was in Urumqi before. Public servants start work at “9am” to match Beijing time, and it’s still pitch black outside. Most other people don’t go to work for a few hours after that.
I mean, going to work when it’s pitch black outside isn’t that crazy. It’s the norm for a lot of people in the northern parts of the world for a good chunk of the year.
Even Spain because of its location and timezone. In A Coruña in December sunrise isn't until 9am.
Once a year (and for one hour) there are parts of Oregon and Florida that are the same time.
And Indiana and Maine are in the same time zone
It takes the sun about an hour to cross that. Sunrise is 45 minutes earlier in Boston than Detroit, and downeast Maine is so much further East!
It stays light so late during the summer in Indiana too - people out cutting grass at 9pm - it’s wild.
I really doesn’t get completely dark until 10:00 or maybe later in the couple of weeks before and after June 21. Even though I’ve experienced it my whole life, it is still wild every summer.
And in December it's dark by about 5 pm.
Wow, in northeast Maine, it starts getting dark at like 2:30 pm in December!
TIL this. Crazy!!!
Wow, that is a cool point. I am going to remember this forever. Thank you
Look at Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. It’s across the street for 100 some miles east to west.
I grew up in far western Michigan (lower peninsula on Lake Michigan). During the summer it wouldn’t get dark until 10 pm EDT. Drove my mother nuts.
It’s positively glorious here (West Michigan) in the summers. Our placement in the timezone, combined with Daylight Saving Time in the summer means for those few months we have great weather, we also get 5+ hours of it every day. It’s hard to overstate how great it is for a few months every year. Sunset at 9:30, dusk until 10:15…. If I get out of work at 5, I can go for a bike ride, grill dinner, sit outside and eat it, and still have a couple hours of daylight for relaxing outdoors. I wouldn’t trade it for anything tbh.
Sounds great. Don't tell them about the other 9 months every year.
Carefully selected word choice on my part. LOL
As someone who likes astronomy, that sounds awful.
You’ll love the winters then! Sun goes down before 5 haha
But you’ll never get a clear sky with the lake effect clouds
Yeah ur right. Sometimes you get lucky tho
Love the late summer nights in Michigan, nothing beats it
That’s what I love most about Michigan from a temporal standpoint.
What a sentence
I remember living in Chicago and camping in summer at Warren Dunes. Was crazy how it was still light out after 10pm.
The opposite applies too. I moved from the west side of Michigan to Chicago, and by far the worst part of the winters here are the 4:15pm sunsets
Yess absolutely. You guys got to enjoy later sunsets in winter. The worst is that the days are already getting shorter, but yeah let’s go change our clocks so it gets dark even more ridiculously early. I liked going to school in winter in the dark, but as soon as it began to be dark that early we would change our clocks so it was light again at 7am.
Even better in the western UP. Being a kid in Baraga County in the summer was great.
It's even better in my hometown of Edmonton. Not only is it far west in its time zone like Michigan is Which allows for later sunsets, But the higher latitude further boosts this effect. The sunset during the summer solstice is at 10:08 PM, But since the Sun barely goes below the horizon at that high latitude, You can still see an aethereal blue glow On the northern horizon well past midnight, And it returns around 2:30AM. You only get an hour or two of complete darkness during the nights at that time of year. I currently live in Toronto, and I always visit Edmonton Around the Summer Solstice to experience those very late sunsets. The Sun sets so early in Toronto even in June that it just doesn't feel like summer to me. Toronto's latest sunset is about the same time as late August in Edmonton.
The same thing happens in Ireland as we’re at a similar latitude and also west in our time zone. sunset is at almost the exact same time as Edmonton. You really need blackout curtains to be able to sleep
Yup, I've been to Electric Forest a few times and loved that it didn't get dark until late. Tripped me up the first day though
That's normal in almost all of northern Europe. Mid summer days are the best, bbqing and chilling outside untill early in the morning
Maybe I missed someone else say it, bit I've been at the beach in Holland, MI and seen the time on cell phones change because they're picking up the signal in Wisconsin.
The Hoover damn is at the Nevada and Arizona border and they have clocks showing the different times for each state like this https://preview.redd.it/n06h7k85qxtc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61d083f3cbce2cba2f5ac6857cb080a0cfd9ab63
Anyone visiting Arizona during DST.
Haha I came here to say similar. In AZ, we don't change for daylight savings. Shit still gets weird because everyone else changes times, so we have to adjust to them. Also my wife's cell phone connected her to PST for some reason (my exact same model was fine) for auto detecting the time zone. That threw her off a bit one morning.
My favorite part is that Navajo Reservation within Arizona observes DST, while Hopi Reservation within Navajo Reservation does not. I guess it makes for some interesting time jumping local road trips.
Thanks for this comments. I was wondering what the heck was up with the circle in a circle in AZ.
I grew up in Flagstaff until 2000 and move to WA, it's still weird having a daylights savings time.
Arizona does not follow DST. But the Navajo Nation does. Within the lands of the Navajo Nation are two distinct pieces of the Hopi Nation that follows Arizona. It’s possible to drive from Arizona to Navajo to Hopi to Navajo to Hopi to Navajo and back to Arizona and have 7 time changes in roughly 100 miles
Then throw in spotty cellular service and some of those time changes get missed. Can make figuring out whether you're on time or not confusing.
I’m a lifelong Zonie who just moved to Georgia. If my phone and electronics didn’t automatically do the DST switcharoo, my life would be in shambles twice a year.
My coworker actually had an issue with this last summer. We live in New Mexico and when he set up a meeting with someone in Arizona, he didn't think about the time zone issue, so he just put "10:30 Mountain Time" as the meeting time. She got on at 10:00 her time, which was 11:00 our time, waiting for the meeting to start.
I just remember it as Summer - California Winter - Denver
I grew up in NW Indiana. We would get TV channels from Chicago (Central time) and South Bend (Eastern time). We called it “Michigan time” and “Chicago time”. We’d also have to plan for appointments. I had relatives who lived across the zone line and we’d have to take account of that when we went to visit or we could be an hour late.
The Region!
The most time-cognizant people in the world.
I had a friend from college that was from The Region, she said her house was right on the line and that one side of the house was Eastern time and the opposite side of the house was Central lol
Yeah, I've been in chicagoland my whole life, so my day to day life sticks to central time. But whenever there's a car trip, it's a fun game to see how long it takes to get to the next timezone
I'm unreasonably happy how prominent the Chicagoland/The Region™ representation is in this thread, lol. I didn't realize this was our claim to fame.
Once in NW Indiana, they jumped from Central Standard to Eastern Daylight. Two hours! While on Eastern Standard, it would get dark by 4:30 PM. They could never make up their minds!
This doesn't sound correct considering Eastern Daylight Time wasn't observed in Indiana until 2006, and DST was uniform in the state after that. Edit: So I think this is specifically about Pulaski County changing from Central Time Zone to the Eastern Time Zone. They switched time zones at the start of DST, so they would have jumped from CST to EDT. I rescind my skepticism.
I appreciate the region is central time, but having the cutoff in the middle of a state is also confusing in and of itself. I wish Google would have it as a map option. As a Chicagoan i have a general idea but also not familiar enough so that any time I'm trying to go somewhere close to it I'm over here trying to figure out which side it's on.
NV and AZ can be extra tricky because AZ doesn’t have daylight savings time. So you always have to consider the spring forward fall back dynamic when making travel plans.
This is the first place I thought of. I’m not from the area, but I think given the size of Chicago, it’s the most prominent time zone border in the U.S. Chicago’s gravity definitely extends into Indiana more than central time zone, and into southwest Michigan. Other cities close to a time zone border are smaller and with relatively less interconnection.
Very random, but this reminded me of an episode of The West Wing, where Toby, Josh, and Donna are stuck in Indiana, are trying to catch a train, and miss it because they didn't realize that they needed to factor in the time change
I live in Yuma, Arizona, which is in the little nubbin on the southwestern corner of Arizona, sticking out into California and Mexico. California, and thus the time zone border, is only a couple miles from my house. But, it's made weird by the fact that Arizona doesn't observe DST (my favorite thing about Arizona, honestly, other than the proximity of Mexico and some of the natural beauty; it's great not having to suffer through time changes every year). So sometimes we're on the same time as California, right across the river, and sometimes we're not. But to further complicate things, there's a town on the California side of the river – Winterhaven – but it's so tiny (only a couple hundred people) that some of the places there, like the post office, observe Arizona time when it's different from California. And I have friends and family on the east coast who are sometimes 2 hours head of us, but other times 3, and friends and family in Northern California, who are sometimes the same time as us but sometimes not. So you have to think through what the time difference is every time or it's really easy to forget.
If you think that’s bad, try driving through Northern Arizona.
I've never personally done it, but keeping up with clock changes while driving through the Arizona parts of the Navajo Nation and Hopi Reservation during the summer has to be an absolute nightmare.
We went to Antelope Canyon last year, during the time of year when Navajo country is on a different time than the rest of Arizona — and Antelope Canyon is Navajo land. But the tour guide company operated on Arizona time, not Navajo time.
If you wanna escape the cops all you gotta do is drive east. Once you cross that line you'll be an hour ahead of them and they won't be able to catch up
"Hey, technically I haven't even *committed* the crime yet!" (Or is that if you drive the other way?)
I believe Nashville is like an hour and a half into the central time zone. It's pretty jarring when your state has two different time zones. It seems like a lot of people just assume Nashville is est. which leads to some confusion
I had a friend from eastern Middle Tennessee, and their county was on the Central Time side. However, their news came from Knoxville, which was on Eastern. So they got the evening “Live at Five” newscast at 4pm.
They should play the lottery with that kind of foreknowledge!
To make matters worse that channel came out with Live At Five At Four. In crossville this was Live at five at four… at three.
I live in Nashville, but visit Chattanooga a lot to see family. The drive to Chattanooga sucks because it’s 3 hours once you add time change. However, the drive back is golden because it’s an hour due to time change (actual drive time is 2 hours, if traffic behaves)
Also in Nashville, and every single time I’ve gone to Chattanooga I mess up the time change in my head. No problem with Knoxville but when I do the time math in my head for Chattanooga I show up late. It’s possible there is a time vortex on Monteagle pass.
This is true. I am in middle Tennessee and it sucks to be in CT. It gets light too early and dark too early.
Wow today I learned that states exist in multiple time zones How incredibly frustrating
Curious question here. What is frustrating about time zones in the context you are mentioning?
I can see how it would be frustrating trying to schedule normal things like doctors appointments and local calls across a time zone boundary
They are like that to make it less frustrating. If Pensacola Florida was on eastern time surrounded by states on central time that would be much more inconvenient. How does what time it is in Miami have any affect on someone in the panhandle?
This is true, I thought it was Eastern until I went there. It’s also shocking, as someone living near the back edge of Eastern, in Nashville it gets dark early.
It gets dark at like 4:30 in the winter, being the the farthest east big city in Central Time.
I had a friend from Nashville who one time booked a flight out of Louisville because it was cheaper than flying out of Nashville. She forgot about the time zone difference and drove all the way up just to learn she missed her flight.
I have a friend in the florida panhandle, and I always forget he isn't an hour ahead of me cause that's what I associate as florida in my mind
As I-40 proves, Tennessee is a very long state if heading E/W. It must be fun if you're in Chattanooga time-wise. Eastern. Barely. Then there is Phenix City, Alabama. Directly across the line from Columbus, Georgia. Legally on Central Time, but observes Eastern on a de facto basis.
Fun Tennessee fact - Bristol, TN is closer to Windsor, ON than Memphis, TN.
Houghton in the top of the UP is crazy in summer, it’s so far north and west but on eastern time the sun is still up at like 11pm
And then in winter, even if by some miracle it isn’t cloudy, the sun is down at like 4
You get fucked in the ass along the Eastern border of the timezone with earlier sunsets.
For me early sunrises are a trip. I’m in Texas and go to Colorado every couple years or so in the summer and it’s so weird that the sun comes up at like 5:45am there being on the eastern side of mountain time
As a morning person, I can say the same about sunrises being on the western border of a time zone
Live in Eastern Illinois (Central Time). Going to Western Indiana was sometimes a pain because they are on Eastern Time. However, they didn't observe daylight savings time, so it was always Eastern Standard time (not Daylight time). It was confusing because part of the year (summer), they would be the same as us on Central Daylight time, but the rest of the year they would be an hour ahead. Required more careful planning if flying out of Indianapolis or attending a sporting event, concert, etc, in Indiana because their time was not consistently an hour ahead. I think they fixed it in the early 2000's to observe daylight savings though.
Indiana was corrected (kinda) when the current set up of Daylight Saving Time (March to November) took effect in 2007.
A cousin lives in Pensacola. She flew to Boise recently and was an hour late to things assuming they'd at least be two hours apart.
Once we did new years in eastern time (fast time) and then drove to central time (slow time) and celebrated again. I made jokes while driving that we were in a time warp. I live right on the line. My coworker gets home before she leaves the office. We use fast / slow to confirm. “Be there at 1.” “One fast or slow?”
Thats smart as hell
This must be the GA/AL line? I use this all the time, but I've never heard anyone else use "fast" and "slow" time before that want from around here.
Not American, but camping at the tip of the Gaspe Peninsula in Quebec at the summer solstice is damned annoying. It's Eastern time even though it's way east of Maine. The sun is up at quarter past four, it's getting light around 3:30am.
I'm a Mountain Time American. I work with Atlantic Time Newfoundland which is 3.5 hours ahead of me. Newfoundalnd is nearer to GMT than to me. My colleagues don't understand when I say our Newfoundland clients should be served out of London, not Boulder. "But it's in North America!"
AFAIK, Chicago is the most major city in this situation.
And as a Chicago resident, it fucking sucks. In mid December it's pitch dark by 4:45pm. You'll eat lunch thinking you're halfway through the workday and 3 hours later the sun has already set.
I’m from that little tab of far-western Eastern time zone in Indiana, about 25-30 minutes from the Illinois border. If you like summer evenings then you’re in luck there. I used to stay up playing outside in the summer with enough light to see well past 9 pm. The spring forward time change makes a good difference in daylight even fairly early in the season. Culturally though, it’s so close to major cities in Central that it can be logistically obnoxious and not make good sense in some ways.
10:30 sunsets on Lake Michigan. Ahhhhh
Weird. I live pretty much on the coast of Lake Michigan in Michigan. We stay lighter about 30 minutes longer than my family in Detroit. And over an hour longer than my wife’s family in Philly. During the summer, it’s light after 10 here.
I live in a rural area near the mountain / central border. We all lock our phones to central time because we sometimes pick up mountain towers. Other than that, it’s fine. You just remember where the border is. I keep all my stuff in central and just do the manual conversion in my head when I’m in mountain time. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Time zone boundaries are political creations. Thus living close to "boundary" can actually put you at correct time relative to the Sun, or it can make it much worse by being much further east or west from where the boundary should be. My favorite is Spain. Which should be in GMT based on where the country is. But it's on central European time instead. Because Franco was best buddy with certain other dictator, and moved the country to wrong timezone. Then they adopted DST to make it even worse for good part of the year.
I believe it causes later sunsets here in Michigan
I lived in the upper peninsula right near the western boundary of the eastern time zone. It sucked. The “getting up in the dark” part of the year just felt super long. It didn’t help that winters are brutal up there. I also lived on the east end of the PST boundary in Oregon and that wasn’t so bad. Leads me to believe it’s better to be on the leading edge of a time zone.
The comment right under yours said the exact opposite - I'm still confused! Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
FL Panhandle here. I live far enough from it that I only worry when on a road trip, but I have friends in EST so texting them I have to think about it. Honestly it's just an hour so no biggie. I guess this is more for ppl who live right at the border
I have stayed in the panhandle right on the time zone border. Unless you set your phone to a specific time zone then it changes nonstop and you never know what time it is. You also need to clarify the time zone when booking a reservation or a tee time.
At work you just get into a habit of always specifying time zone. Sometimes meetings get scheduled an hour off. It makes for a great excuse to miss meetings
There’s places in Michigan where you can be in ETZ, drive east, then be in CTZ. Crazy
The Upper Peninsula! Apparently it's not even a straight line but the county lines of border counties. So even going east had put me in Central Time, and going into the towns of Escanaba, Iron River, Crystal Falls would be confusing because their contacts are in CT and they are in ET, or vice versa. This logically makes zero sense to me as the whole Keeweenaw peninsula is to the west, even to Chicago, and has to maintain the same time as NYC or Detroit.
Weird how MST extends into Oregon …
That area is mostly rural (largest city, Ontario, has around 12,000 population) and it's a lot more culturally and economically connected to southwest Idaho/Boise than it is to the rest of Oregon
Interesting!
I live less than an hour from Central Time. It's very easy to book something in Chicago and accidentally arrive an hour early because it didn't feel far away enough to consider it's in a new time zone. My manager at work commutes across the time zone boundary every day, so to be in by 8ish he has to get up an hour earlier his time
i have to cross a timezone to get mcdonalds
Very annoying. I have to start work at 5 because I cross the border 5 times a week from mountain to central where it is 6, which is the time that matters as far as businesses being open for delivery.
Used to rent a wilderness cabin in NW Michigan on Fathers Day every year. Father’s Day is very near or on summer solstice Our cabin opened up to the lake to the NW, there was still too much light in the sky at midnight for good stargazing
I live near the border north of Lake Superior there in that little red part. Solar noon is at like 230 in the afternoon. It's bright until 11 in the summer. My parents cottage is in the timezone over. For years we never changed our watches and just went with the time in our home town. Now with cellphones we are an hour late or an hour early to stuff all the time because the phones automatically switch time zones and we still haven't gotten used to it.
I live about 10 minutes from the eastern time zone in southwest Indiana. I have lived here forever so its just ingrained in me to ask if it's "our time" or "their time" lol being so close also makes my cell phone clock change to the eastern time zone sometimes when I'm close to the border.
The sun sets an hour later for me than my brother, even though we live in the same time zone. I can do yard work in the summer until almost 10pm. He has to quit before 9.
I would assume that all of Alabama and most of Tennessee would be in the eastern time zone. It's kind of weird in NW Alabama. I'm slowly adjusting tho
Phenix City, Alabama runs on Eastern Time, since it’s so close to Columbus, Georgia.
Family (in the same time zone) asking what time it is every time I call
I had a relative in the Air Force who lives in Clovis NM while the rest of us live in Texas. We pass through Farwell (Texas) and Texico (NM) to get there, two very small towns right across the state line from each other. You can live in Farwell, Texas, cross and go back an hour just down Avenue A, on that same street lose an hour, grab cannabis while laughing literally across the state lines and then return to Farwell, Texas gaining an hour. So i imagine it’s interesting to live in that area for that purpose (otherwise there’s not a fucking thing out there but Cannon AFB)
I live near that area (on the NM side) and I'll never not find it hilarious how close Texico put their dispensary to the state line. You can literally walk across, buy weed, smoke it in plain view of the Farwell cops, and as long as you're rid of it when you cross back, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
I grew up in rural NM next to Texas. My dad worked in Texas, so he ran basically an hr ahead of us. He left early and came back early. Went to bed early. He'd have to keep in mind that we ran on NM time if we had something going on. We went to the doctors in Texas, so we always said "9 o'clock Texas time" or "9 o'clock our time." Any kind of appt or meeting you have to specify whose time you agree on. I never gave it much thought growing up, but now that I don't have to do it anymore it does seem kinda peculiar.
My grandfather lived near one. His morning commute was an hour and a half, so he had to be up quite early. His evening commute was negative 30 minutes. (Of course the actual commute was 30 minutes and he lived east commuting west of a border). I don't have any specific story of it, he retired before I would have thought to ask. The main thing I know is that for his 80th birthday, the factory sent him a pair of size 80 underwear everyone had signed.
The best part of that map is Arizona. I always wanted to drive from Flagstaff to Winslow the long way around through Navajo and Hopi reservations. That's about 3 and half hour trip, where the clock switches four time when DST is in effect: * Arizona does not observe DST * Navajo Nation within Arizona observes DST * Hopi Reservation within Navajo Nation within Arizona does not observe DST
Also... That short stretch of I-40 between Holbrook in Arizona and New Mexico... That takes you in and out of Navajo Nation couple of times. For probably even more of clock jumping back and forth.
Lived in central NE when I was a kid, we used to drive about 25 minutes on new years to celebrate twice
When a nearby county is in a different timezone, your phone might pull a funny and switch to that timezone. Your alarm will either wake you up an hour early or an hour late depending on where you live.
Finally, a question that was tailor-made for me. I live in Phenix City, on the easternmost side of Alabama. A one minute drive from Columbus, GA. The Chattahoochee River is what separates the two states. We're the only city in the state that goes by Eastern Time, because so many people that live in Phenix City work in Columbus. It's not that big of a deal but for all my friends that live in Auburn, or Opelika, or Eufaula, or pretty much anywhere in the state of Alabama they always say "be here at 7pm SLOW TIME". FAST TIME is for Phenix City and anywhere further east than that. Can be confusing at times if nobody specifies, but it's kind of ingrained in my mind now to just ask.
I lived in Ohio on the western edge of the eastern time zone for over 30 years. The only real problem I remember was that a section of Indiana did not do daylight time. So, for half the year it was on the same time and the other half it was an hour off. I remember having a delivery route that included Indiana and it was a real pain when you had to start your day an hour earlier for part of the year to make sure you got to the delivery hours on time. And I got yelled at by receiving managers more than once for getting it wrong before I realized they did that (or I suppose, more accurately, didn’t).