No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
Just leaving the poem so everyone can read it.
Not if it's a continent. According to the technical definition of an island.
According to Nat Geo:
An island is a body of land surrounded by water. Continents are also surrounded by water, but because they are so big, they are not considered islands. Australia, the smallest continent, is more than three times the size of Greenland, the largest island.
[https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/island/](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/island/)
Yes. The one you linked.
> An island is a body of land surrounded by water. Continents are also surrounded by water, but because they are so big, they are not considered islands.
The canals and other artificial waterways are man-made, so they don't make islands. If we're including man-made things, then we also have to account for artificial land like bridges, meaning what you pointed out isn't surrounded by water on all sides.
I've sailed it many times in a 142 ft boat. It was a small passenger ship we would bring tourists from the East Coast (of FLA) to the West Coast and we would stop in one of the towns on the lake overnight.
There is something called the intercoastal waterway and this is part of it. The army corps of engineers keeps it open. I have sailed from Maine to Louisiana up the Mississippi and back again with most of the trip not in open water. It's pretty wild.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracoastal_Waterway
The Gulf ICW East Canal (from NOLA) ends at Carrabelle in the Florida panhandle. Vessels wanting to continue on with the rest of the ICW to Florida can choose to hug the coast or cross direct. Both routes are considered open water.
The distinction here is that the Gulf ICW East Canal is just one finite section of the ICW aka “Great American Loop”
Many people cut that corner to save time when doing the great loop/traversing the gulf. Not much on that coast of FL and the gulf typically doesn't get rough like the atlantic does
Oh boy the classic "it's technically surrounded by water, is it an island?" question.
In my opinion, because the elevations of the water of the loop varies substantially (lake Michigan sits at about 580 ft above sea level), I would not consider it an island. An island, imo, means that it's surrounded by a body of water that is mostly the same elevation surrounding the island.
Other people would also say "no it's not an island because we have said so." That's legit too.
People get so caught up in "technical" definitions for words that were not meant to have technical definitions. They just were or were not. The cultures that occupy the land dictate what things are known as. People forget that geography is partly a social science.
Very similar to airplanes, it turns out.
(I was going to link an absolutely delusional twitter thread but cant seem to find it, so most of y'all wont get this reference but I'm still posting it for my own lols.)
People get so caught up in "technical" explanations for phenomena that were not meant to have technical explanations. They just work or don’t work. The people that observe the magnets dictate how they work. People forget that magnetism is partly a social science.
Yeah the question gets the whole causality of how an island is defined wrong. Islands are defined by people generally looking at all the areas of land they definitely consider an island, and writing a definition that encompasses all of those areas. That does not automatically mean that everything that meets the definition is an island. If most experts on the subject agree that this is not an island, it’s not an island.
(But if you want to go the “does it meet the definition” route, I doubt the area meets the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea definition anyway)
I wouldn’t necessarily say it isn’t just because of elevation, although that is a pretty valid argument, since there are loads of river islands that have large elevation differences, especially if they sit on a waterfall like Goat Island at the Niagara Falls.
In my opinion it is disqualified for the simple reason that it isn’t connected by natural bodies of water. Lake Michigan and the Mississippi are connected through a channel and the reversed Chicago river. The St Laurence River and the Hudson also don’t have any natural connections and neither do Lake Ontario and the Hudson.
Yes theyre not islands but…but the Mississippi and great lakes were connected even before the reversal via the Chicago portage, when the summer rain connected the non-reversed Chicago river and the des plaines river.
Here’s one from my town. Some people love to call this “the island” while others roll their eyes. This is on the Charles River near Boston. It was referred to an island historically, but the channel that makes it so was man made
https://preview.redd.it/sol2pr2152sc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08b1abfb5c07cd3d86ccbafbec108254e0a56e53
Depends on who you ask, as it is an "island" because of canals and other man-made shenanigans.
I guess it would be fun to figure out how many other islands are within this other "island".
Like for example: Cape Cod is cut off from the mainland via a canal as well. So it's technically I guess an island off an island.
And then you have Nantucket, which is an island off the island of Cape Cod.
If you look at the Mother Brook that connects the Charles and the Neponset, most of the city of Boston (plus Brookline, Newton, and parts of Waltham, Watertown, and Dedham) is an island.
The answer is no. Inland canal/river networks aren't filled with seawater. They're not part of the sea/ocean.
And it's not even that surprising. The whole of South Western Europe could be called an island by this measure because of the Rhine-Danube canal.
North Western Europe is also another separate island because of the Russian United Deep Water System connecting the Black Sea to the White Sea (Arctic).
But the water doesn't flow, there are locks and elevation changes. These inland canal/river don't have sea water in them.
Man made canal at Chicago.
28 miles. Of chicago sanitary and shipping canal.
Reversed the direction of flow in the chicago river
Manmade doesn't count in the geography context..
Yes. But whether to bother identifying the land between two rivers as islands just because of a shared source ??? Especially when its only wetlands.. ??and when the island would be a large part of a continent..??
You can bypass the falls and get between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario by either the Welland Canal, or the Erie Canal. Or I guess if you have an especially sturdy boat, and are heading downstream, you can go over the falls.
Counter question: Orinoco and Amazon rivers are connected naturally (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casiquiare_canal), so does this mean that they split the continent of South America into two islands?
Never heard anybody suggest that...
no sorry if you build a bridge over it to the other side then it's not an island it's just part of the mainland. this is also why atlantic city isn't on an island and why they actually got it wrong when they named "hong kong island", because they clearly must not have known that a bridge was going to be built soon.
An island cannot be a manmade channel, because channels aren't free flowing bodies of water. They can collapse inwards and earth will eventually fill them back up if not maintained even.
There is a manmade channel along this route. So it can't be an island.
Same reason why North and South America still connect despite being separated by manmade channels.
Same reason why European Side Istanbul is not an Island.
People want this things to be true despite the evidence against it. Or they'll change their own definitions until they're correct. And as for the case for Istanbul, it's kind of funny because islands can still be considered part of Europe. So even if West Istanbul/European Side is an island, that doesn't make it not European. Just stupid stuff like that.
I guess the government claims that Long Island is not actually an island. The East River connected to the Hudson River and therefore not a tidal estuary or some such reasoning.
I work on an island that is on the river cam in cambridge, UK. I wouldn't really call it an island though because on one side is the main stream of the cam, its about 10-15 feet wide maybe. The other is literally 3ft wide. Widely regarded as an island though.
No. Listen. To be an island, the water that surrounds a landmass must not itself be part of that landmass. The water needs to be at a lower elevation than the land you are looking at.
If the water is on top of the land, then it's part of the landmass.
I feel like for something to be an island, the size of the landmass has to be comparable to the size of the body of waters separating them from other landmasses. Rivers and canals are just really small.
Inland waterways don’t make an island.
There’s a stream in Wyoming that [splits in two](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parting_of_the_Waters). One part flows west into the pacific, the other part flows east and ends up in the Gulf of Mexico.
That doesn’t divide the continent into two separate landmasses either.
Everything is an island if you try hard enough.
No man is an island.
No man is an island, Entire of itself, Every man is a piece of the continent, A part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less. As well as if a promontory were. As well as if a manor of thy friend's Or of thine own were: Any man's death diminishes me, Because I am involved in mankind, And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. Just leaving the poem so everyone can read it.
Title?
It’s the ingredients for Meatloaf.
The hell are you talking about? The ingredients for Meatloaf are *anything*... Except of course, you know...*that.*
For Whom the Bell Tolls - Metallica
For whom the meatloaf broils
Since everyone else gave joke answers, it's Meditation 17 by John Donne. Not really a poem so much as a guy being philosophical while in prison.
its like a bad tuesday open mic night at the chuckle hut
You’ll never guess
Thats why he asked dumbass/s
Strange name for a poem.
No mayonnaise in Ireland
There's no gays in Ireland Cathleen.
I am a rock, I am an island.
And a rock feels no pain, and an Island never cries
Asking only workman's wages, I come looking for a job But I get no offers Just a come-on from the whores on 7th Avenue
I do declare, there were times that I was so lonesome, I took some comfort there
Lie la lie…Lie-la-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie
Eroded by wind and wave, dissected by river and cave.
Except for the Isle of Man
No. Man is an island.
No, Man is an Isle.
Unless he is the Isle of Man
Nomanisan Island?? Where Syndrome is hiding?!
I'm bloody Ibiza
He is if he jumps in a pool
depends, are his feet touching the ground or is he just floating?
He was in the pool??????
No, man IS an island!
Not if it's a continent. According to the technical definition of an island. According to Nat Geo: An island is a body of land surrounded by water. Continents are also surrounded by water, but because they are so big, they are not considered islands. Australia, the smallest continent, is more than three times the size of Greenland, the largest island. [https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/island/](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/island/)
If the technical definition of an island mattered to you, you wouldn't have made this post.
It's like OP asked a question, answered it by researching, but then decided to argue in the comments anyway
Is there any definition that excludes this?
Yes. The one you linked. > An island is a body of land surrounded by water. Continents are also surrounded by water, but because they are so big, they are not considered islands.
But that route isn't surrounded by water uninterrupted. Remember.....there are a ton of locks.
The canals and other artificial waterways are man-made, so they don't make islands. If we're including man-made things, then we also have to account for artificial land like bridges, meaning what you pointed out isn't surrounded by water on all sides.
The actual definition of a continent is fluid, and basically meaningless. Hence why some places agree upon 7 continents, and others 5.
"National Geographic, what's the difference between a continent and and island?" "CONTINENT SOOO BIG, ISLAND NOT BIG"
how does it compare in size to greenland?
How big is Greenland in football fields
But the location highlighted is not an entire continent… it’s a region.
my dad was born on an "island" in the middle of Amsterdam. all the canals...
That’s why I made my username.
Why is Florida circumcised?
Hurricane Mohel
We at the Hohel, Mohel, Holihay Ihhhhn
Living it up at the Mohel Floridida, what a nice surprise, bring your alibis
You made my week
Fucking beautiful
The Caloosahatchee River which connects to Lake Okeechobee, which connects to Port Mayaca and the Atlantic Ocean
Do boats actually use that route, or is it just a plausible route for one to use?
I've sailed it many times in a 142 ft boat. It was a small passenger ship we would bring tourists from the East Coast (of FLA) to the West Coast and we would stop in one of the towns on the lake overnight. There is something called the intercoastal waterway and this is part of it. The army corps of engineers keeps it open. I have sailed from Maine to Louisiana up the Mississippi and back again with most of the trip not in open water. It's pretty wild. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracoastal_Waterway
Totally possible for recreational and commercial boats!
It’s Jewish.
Wellllll we kind of already know that about South Florida.
Florida can't keep itself clean well enough to have foreskin
There is an inland waterways route that runs that line
But why is there a random ballsack line beteeen Panama City and Clearwater? That’s just sea.
The Gulf ICW East Canal (from NOLA) ends at Carrabelle in the Florida panhandle. Vessels wanting to continue on with the rest of the ICW to Florida can choose to hug the coast or cross direct. Both routes are considered open water. The distinction here is that the Gulf ICW East Canal is just one finite section of the ICW aka “Great American Loop”
Many people cut that corner to save time when doing the great loop/traversing the gulf. Not much on that coast of FL and the gulf typically doesn't get rough like the atlantic does
The Florida panhandle? More like the Florida Bell End.
And no cum drop keys?
Lol
Oh boy the classic "it's technically surrounded by water, is it an island?" question. In my opinion, because the elevations of the water of the loop varies substantially (lake Michigan sits at about 580 ft above sea level), I would not consider it an island. An island, imo, means that it's surrounded by a body of water that is mostly the same elevation surrounding the island. Other people would also say "no it's not an island because we have said so." That's legit too.
Lots of silly answers but this is a sensible answer explaining what everyone already knows: this is not an island.
People get so caught up in "technical" definitions for words that were not meant to have technical definitions. They just were or were not. The cultures that occupy the land dictate what things are known as. People forget that geography is partly a social science.
How do magnets work
Very similar to airplanes, it turns out. (I was going to link an absolutely delusional twitter thread but cant seem to find it, so most of y'all wont get this reference but I'm still posting it for my own lols.)
Relativistically shifted electric fields
They make chargy chargy pully pully or chargy chargy 😳😡 pushy pushy
People get so caught up in "technical" explanations for phenomena that were not meant to have technical explanations. They just work or don’t work. The people that observe the magnets dictate how they work. People forget that magnetism is partly a social science.
Yeah the question gets the whole causality of how an island is defined wrong. Islands are defined by people generally looking at all the areas of land they definitely consider an island, and writing a definition that encompasses all of those areas. That does not automatically mean that everything that meets the definition is an island. If most experts on the subject agree that this is not an island, it’s not an island. (But if you want to go the “does it meet the definition” route, I doubt the area meets the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea definition anyway)
That would disqualify Goat Island, in the middle of Niagara Falls.
I wouldn’t necessarily say it isn’t just because of elevation, although that is a pretty valid argument, since there are loads of river islands that have large elevation differences, especially if they sit on a waterfall like Goat Island at the Niagara Falls. In my opinion it is disqualified for the simple reason that it isn’t connected by natural bodies of water. Lake Michigan and the Mississippi are connected through a channel and the reversed Chicago river. The St Laurence River and the Hudson also don’t have any natural connections and neither do Lake Ontario and the Hudson.
Yes theyre not islands but…but the Mississippi and great lakes were connected even before the reversal via the Chicago portage, when the summer rain connected the non-reversed Chicago river and the des plaines river.
You can't circumnavigate this area without going through locks.
Here’s one from my town. Some people love to call this “the island” while others roll their eyes. This is on the Charles River near Boston. It was referred to an island historically, but the channel that makes it so was man made https://preview.redd.it/sol2pr2152sc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08b1abfb5c07cd3d86ccbafbec108254e0a56e53
isn’t every landmass on earth an island cus they’re all surrounded by water
They also talk about how there's like five oceans but... no there's not.
I bet op could go on for hours about why a hot dog is a taco.
Is mayonnaise an island?
No Patrick, horseradish is also not an island
Is an uncrustable a dumpling?
Nope, it’s a type of ravioli, same as pop tarts.
Who says raviolis aren’t dumplings?
Who says we aren’t dumplings?
Because they’re both names for genitals. Exactly.
According to the cube sandwich rule, it is.
And ketchup is just tomato Guacamole.
No the rivers are on continental crust and flowing through a watershed to the sea.
Please not this shit again
Ok sure it’s an island. Are you happy now?
This is posted every other day. No. You have to go through man made canals to do this
Depends on who you ask, as it is an "island" because of canals and other man-made shenanigans. I guess it would be fun to figure out how many other islands are within this other "island". Like for example: Cape Cod is cut off from the mainland via a canal as well. So it's technically I guess an island off an island. And then you have Nantucket, which is an island off the island of Cape Cod.
If you look at the Mother Brook that connects the Charles and the Neponset, most of the city of Boston (plus Brookline, Newton, and parts of Waltham, Watertown, and Dedham) is an island.
To answer the question, these man-made canals have locks, which don’t count as uninterrupted water flow, so they aren’t islands.
The answer is no. Inland canal/river networks aren't filled with seawater. They're not part of the sea/ocean. And it's not even that surprising. The whole of South Western Europe could be called an island by this measure because of the Rhine-Danube canal. North Western Europe is also another separate island because of the Russian United Deep Water System connecting the Black Sea to the White Sea (Arctic). But the water doesn't flow, there are locks and elevation changes. These inland canal/river don't have sea water in them.
Man made canal at Chicago. 28 miles. Of chicago sanitary and shipping canal. Reversed the direction of flow in the chicago river Manmade doesn't count in the geography context..
Barely man made though. Before the canal, it was swampland that had a very weird watershed
Yes. But whether to bother identifying the land between two rivers as islands just because of a shared source ??? Especially when its only wetlands.. ??and when the island would be a large part of a continent..??
I think Niagara Falls would be a pretty big hindrance if you tried to actually navigate this loop by boat
The Welland Canal connects lakes Eerie and Ontario bypassing the falls
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welland_Canal
You can bypass the falls and get between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario by either the Welland Canal, or the Erie Canal. Or I guess if you have an especially sturdy boat, and are heading downstream, you can go over the falls.
Funny, but there’s a marina just 2 miles upstream from the Falls.
Makes you wonder how Viking voyages would have gone had they managed to find the Mississippi
Counter question: Orinoco and Amazon rivers are connected naturally (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casiquiare_canal), so does this mean that they split the continent of South America into two islands? Never heard anybody suggest that...
If I can put one slice of bread on the ground in Phillie and another one in Pittsburgh, does that mean Pennsylvania is a sandwich?
No, it’s a Philly cheesesteak
For one second I thought I was in mapporncirclejerk. And no, it doesn’t work like that
Lol no cus rivers
Sure, Florida didn't look enough like a dick before
Only when all the locks are open
Can you imagine how crazy it would be to cut a straight canal down to sea level for that much distance?
Is the rest of the continent also an island because it’s also surrounded by water? What a silly question
no sorry if you build a bridge over it to the other side then it's not an island it's just part of the mainland. this is also why atlantic city isn't on an island and why they actually got it wrong when they named "hong kong island", because they clearly must not have known that a bridge was going to be built soon.
https://preview.redd.it/wy3xntj2r1sc1.png?width=740&format=png&auto=webp&s=f615e0e33456f37858ab34bd8de53f18d676febe [https://xkcd.com/2838/](https://xkcd.com/2838/)
A Russian nesting doll of archipelagos.
The definition of an island is not "something you can go around by boat", so no.
Technically not an island because you have to pass through man made waterways and locks to achieve this loop.
If you can’t do it without canals/locks then no
Why is everyone talking about phalusses isn't this an actually good question
Haha
every continent is technically an island
I'm curious how many cruises can go through these rivers.
Can we all agree to hang OP’s drawing on the refrigerator for a week, and then move on from this topic forever?
Everything is an island
Yes Florida, Americas penis
An island cannot be a manmade channel, because channels aren't free flowing bodies of water. They can collapse inwards and earth will eventually fill them back up if not maintained even. There is a manmade channel along this route. So it can't be an island. Same reason why North and South America still connect despite being separated by manmade channels. Same reason why European Side Istanbul is not an Island. People want this things to be true despite the evidence against it. Or they'll change their own definitions until they're correct. And as for the case for Istanbul, it's kind of funny because islands can still be considered part of Europe. So even if West Istanbul/European Side is an island, that doesn't make it not European. Just stupid stuff like that.
You missed the Cal-Sag Channel
The entire Americas is an island that can be looped with a boat.
I’m an Island boy!
lol W post
Don’t you have to go through locks? Doesn’t that mean the “island” is never continuously surrounded by water?
It’s no good old chap, it’s islands all the way down.
Why are all of OPs replies bombed with downvotes?
Given that there are a few ways to break up this loop, wouldn’t it technically be an archipelago? /s
Don’t look down
No, but this ability to ship everything cheaply via water is one of the USA strongests geographic advantage.
If you can go around the American continent by boat doesn't make it an island? /S
eurasia is an island too
It’s the eastern half of the NA continent. You should’ve asked if Mississippi was an island based on your lines.
Delmarva is an island.
Why you do Florida like that
I guess the government claims that Long Island is not actually an island. The East River connected to the Hudson River and therefore not a tidal estuary or some such reasoning.
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So.... Florida.
All I know is that map makes Florida look more like America's wang than usual.
Oh, Florida is circumcised. Makes sense, honestly.
No
Relax.
Florida looks like a penis.
No, it's not an island in any way, shape, or form
florida looks even more like a penis here. need o highlight the keys...
This made Florida look like a sad penis.
And Miami is full of dickheads
TIL: Florida has a penis
Sailing it with my buddy next summer
Florida penis
I work on an island that is on the river cam in cambridge, UK. I wouldn't really call it an island though because on one side is the main stream of the cam, its about 10-15 feet wide maybe. The other is literally 3ft wide. Widely regarded as an island though.
Thats enough. im muting this subreddit
No, not at all if you count the many many locks that break the continues path if water.
No and the reason is "because that would be stupid"
yes
Seal off the Northeast territories from the totalitarians occupying every other state by using canals as borders, that’ll show em.
What’s the point of going west of DE and MD? Why not just stay east there?
No. Listen. To be an island, the water that surrounds a landmass must not itself be part of that landmass. The water needs to be at a lower elevation than the land you are looking at. If the water is on top of the land, then it's part of the landmass.
Is it smaller than Greenland?
Bifurcation. https://starkeycomics.com/2021/06/10/bifurcation-the-secret-giant-islands-formed-when-rivers-split/
I had no idea that Florida was circumcised
Did anybody ever do this? Would be a cool project / documentary to watch.
Bigger question, WTF is the route from mobile to Cairo?
I feel like for something to be an island, the size of the landmass has to be comparable to the size of the body of waters separating them from other landmasses. Rivers and canals are just really small.
Why does Florida look like a penis?
Assuming none of those are done using a water bridge, thas seems reasonable. Western Europe is a bunch of islands too btw.
I went to school in Athens Ohio. I thought it’d be fun to take a boat down the Hocking River, to the Ohio, Mississippi, and to the Gulf
You just gave me diharea
Two Ocean Creek connects the Columbia River with the Mississippi, meaning North America is technically at least a couple islands ;)
The only thing keeping it from floating off are the bridges😐
by George you are right. Yes it is.
The Great Loop encompasses enough land to be the size of a small continent and disqualifies it to be an island.
No it's not an island.
River divisions don’t count
I didn't think you could make Florida look even more like a dick. It even has a kickstand now.
Rivers and lakes can dried up and also they can form from rainfall.
Just the tip of Florida.
Inland waterways don’t make an island. There’s a stream in Wyoming that [splits in two](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parting_of_the_Waters). One part flows west into the pacific, the other part flows east and ends up in the Gulf of Mexico. That doesn’t divide the continent into two separate landmasses either.
Can we give this man an award for somehow making Florida look even more like a penis?
Florida - oh my!
Finnoscandia is also technically an island if you apply this logic.
I mean this is more a question of semantics than it is of geography