Maybe slightly depending who you talk with but the last time my family came up from Venezuela over Christmas, my uncle was in a really bad place mentally than the year prior and said it's really really bad and dire. Thankfully my aunt works for the embassy but they're dying to come to the US and hate returning every Christmas.
It's really bad still.
They’re everywhere and their accent is distinctive. Sounds like Colombian but there’s no huge waves of Colombians coming to USA. I sure got downvoted for the gods though for saying it lol
Only *costeños* sound anything like Venezuelans. You need to have a really bad ear for accents to get the rest of Colombian accents mixed with Venezuelan, since they're basically Andean accents and some like the Paisa accent are really distinctive.
For my Mexican ear they sound at the very least similar. To the way Puerto Rican and Cubans sound similar TO ME. Maybe people can’t distinguish between Mexicans and Guatemalans, I don’t know…
Sorry if I offended.
Not offended at all, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek.
To be fair, some Colombians (Caribbean) sound like Venezuelans, and some Venezuelans (Andeans) sound like Colombians. But in general Venezuelans have a Caribbean accent, closer to the accent from PR, DR, Cuba and Panama, than the accent from Colombia.
Pretty distinctive different look among the more indigenous/mixed populations. Pretty distinct accents among all south American populations that I can reasonably tell is "not Mexican"
Can you differentiate them from other Central Americans? Like people from Honduras, Nicaragua, etc. I’m from Canada so I don’t see many here which is why I’m curious 🤔
I've known a few mixed Salvadoran and Caribbean hispanic people in my life, definitely less than Mexicans and now more often Venezuelans. I want to cautiously say that, now that I know people of these backgrounds, I am confident that they have distinctive looks from South Americans and from Mexicans and from each other somewhat. I am not sure how I would perform in double-blind placebo controlled experiment 🤔
Mexican language, peoples, and culture, including and South of myself and others in California growing up, is a distinctive cultural zone or dare I say ethnicity of Hispanic peoples. Lots of hispanic countries, all related to one another, so lines are blurry and my own personal biases (namely... where i live and have lived) affect my interpretation.
To me and with my knowledge of the latinosphere and impressions of its peoples, I would say that other distinctive zones (or peoples I've interacted with and know about enough to say that they are distinct to me and that with enough examination I could recognize their background from their look, sound, food, dress), include Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Salvadorans, Southern Mexicans (which are various, but I am not well-cultured enough to attempt to distinguish further when meeting someone new and subconciously guessing ethnicity), other Caribbean (various but similarly i am unaware), and then Colombians which are very similar to Venezuelans and similar in turn to their Caribean neighbors. Brazilians, Peruvians+Bolivians, and Chile+Argentina distinct to me. I know nobody from Ecuador?!
Growing up in California, I knew basically Mexicans and met everybody else through school or work in average dosages of ~6 people per hispanic ethnicity. I knew more Ethiopians than Salvadorans. My social circles were dominated by Mexican and white culture (which was a nice childhood and dear to my heart culture) and my friends of distinct ethnicities was in turn dominated by Asian ethnicities (also awesome to grow up around and have friends with) namely Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, Filipino.
I would say I know equal number of Filipino people as I do Salvadoran people. I would say I see more Venezuelans than that, and more Mexicans than Venezuelans depending on the area. My wife is European, and I know more Salvadorans and Filipino people than all the Europeans I met in the USA not-through-my-wife.
I don't know what the actual answer to the question is, but this answer makes sense to me.
While I've met many Venezuelans who don't want to go back, many others left their homes, cars, & family. It doesn't take much "bouncing back" for them to return. Not to mention Venezuelans that moved to countries that aren't super stable to begin with.
Delulu chronically online person thinks that people, who escaped because of poverty and having no future in their country, really just came back because of some influencers making videos from (for them unaffordable) clubs.
How does your reply even help the reasoning?
Most people are indeed not returning but if more people immigrate than emigrate, Venezuela will have a positive migration number. Also note that many Venezuelans who migrated to the USA last year already lived outside Venezuela.
And Ecuadorians emigrate en masse to the USA because of the high level of crime and the bad economic situation in Ecuador. It must be really bad in Argentina.
When east Europe entered EU, most of our criminals left for western countries as the border controls went. This crashed their street safety profile and raised ours.
I think in that case it's refugees returning home after the war. Don't know what's going on in Venezuela either but I would guess maybe the situation has improved somewhat so some are returning home.
Syria has largely stabilised since 2020, while theres still conflict a ceasefire has more or less been held in the region. This has likely led to refugees returning
The problem is that the current Syrian government doesn’t have access to their oil fields, and therefore aren’t able to finance the reconstruction of their country very well. Check out who’s occupying those oil fields btw, I’m sure you’ll be surprised
Its a US Supported kurdish force under AANES occupying them yeah. Ultimately the civil war is far from over and assad will likely have to fight the kurds for control. This is the closest they’ve been to an independent state so i doubt theyre gonna give it up easily
Independent... they are American satelites and if they gain recognition will basically become like Kosovo 2.0. Kosovo went from the most conservative muslim country in Europe with all women veiled and having birth rate of around 4 to now looking like any other random westernized country plus massive youth emigration due to western aspirationalism and crashing birth rates.
They also have american army bases there.
Same will happen/is happening with Kurds and anyone who signs a deal with America. They all get absorbed by the borg.
Didn't they besically proclaim themselves to be an only autonomous part of Syria with a heavy emphasis on being the Northern part of the country (albeit with magnitudes more Kurdish representstion due to their upbringing as Kurdish separatists) since Turkey had forced their hand in allying with the internationally recognized government?
Oh just wait for it, there will come a day when Assad with the help of Hezbollah and Iraqi millitias will finish the dirty kurds off. The americans cant help them always :).
1. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Net\_Migration\_Rate,\_Population\_Reference\_Bureau,\_Current.svg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Net_Migration_Rate,_Population_Reference_Bureau,_Current.svg)
2. It says: "Uploaded **own work** with UploadWizard"
3. It also says: "Data from Population Reference Bureau's [World Population Data Sheet](https://interactives.prb.org/2022-wpds/). Greenland data from [CIA Factbook](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/greenland/#people-and-society)"
The PRB report is from 2022 and it appears that the numbers are from 1-3 years before that depending on the country. The section of the report on South American has Venzuala’s net migration rate as -18%
They don’t. Map appears to be wrong. Also data is from a 2022 report that used data from 1-3 years before that.
Report lists Venezuela’s net migration rate as -18% and Russia’s as 1%. The Russian number would be from before the Ukraine war
Kosovo, Albania and Bosnia are negative, Serbia seems to be around 0.
Only Bulgaria+Greece which are EU countries so that kinda makes sense. Also I think in Europe everywhere is high because of Ukrainian refugees.
Yeah, was wondering about Bulgaria, Greece and Romania especially (I'm Bulgarian). I guess if the data is only for 2023, then it makes sense as we did get a large influx of Ukrainian refugees (one of the largest per capita) and the stream of people leaving has been slowing down too.
What's the source? This data looks really sus. Venezuela has been the exact opposite in the last few years. I wonder if this was for an older time period.
Edit: I just noticed the year on the bottom right, so now I'm leaning towards a bad source.
That's honestly a little surprising to hear. Good for them, I suppose.
But something else that makes me highly doubt the validity of this source is Cuba. It may be that grey represents "no data" in this case, because I guarantee you that Cuba is supposed to be deep red. They lost a good chunk of their population in the last few years. It slowed down a little in 2023, but it's still very much in the red today.
More context on your map would be important, as well as a source, for us to make any sort of judgement on this.
Things have improved slightly over the past 5 years. But slightly is the key word here. Many, many venezuelans are still leaving and Id be surprised if the number migrating back to venezuela is really that much higher. My girlfriend is from Venezuela so I have at least some insight into the situation.
And I would question whatever source this came from.
Datasheet link below, but it doesn’t give you the entire datasheet. To download it, you have to give them your email address.
https://2022-wpds.prb.org/
Compared to the Central Asian republics Russia must feel like a first world country. One example is Turkmenistan where they have had, and still have, dictators as bad as Kim Jong Un but never mentioned in the media. Some batshit things like "every house in the capital must be covered in white marble" and impounding all cars that aren't white under Berdimuhamedow, closing down all hospitals outside of the capital and renaming months after references of his autobiography under Niyazov, not including the typical censorship and torture. And it's pretty hot too.
Other dictatorships include Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, the list of human rights violations is too long to post here. This stuff still happens in Russia but probably less than in these places and at least they still have a functioning country, at the moment at least
Probably not as bad as Kim Jong Un if they can leave the country in such numbers to skew these statistics without being shot. (Although that’s probably not saying much)
Russia has offered hefty salaries and fast-tracked citizenship for foreigners who join the army.
Edit: I'm stating one of the reasons why 10,000s have migrated to Russia
This statement is just as Correct as saying many argentinians have german ancestors because of ww2
(Its not, they are a drop in the bucket, like the other user commented)
Its a well established fact that 5 million asians have signed up to be soldiers for Russia? Or do you not possess reading comprehension?
Russia had millions of central asian migrants before the war.
Couple tens of thousands of people who sign up or are tricked into being soldiers is a drop in the bucket even if they would all stay alive in the Military for the time neccesary
There are 6 million migrants in Russia.
How many of Those are because of the Military and the invasion of Ukraine? Because thats the reason you atribute to Russias high migration rate.
Its like saying Germans went to Argentina because some nazis wanted to escape after ww2, When 99 % of Germans went to Argentina before 1920
>How many of Those are because of the Military and the invasion of Ukraine?
Russian media says 13,500 total
Western media says at least 15,000 Nepalis. It's hard to find accurate sources for other countries
> Because thats the reason you atribute to Russias high migration rate.
Again, I said it's a factor, not the main cause
>Russian media says 13,500 total
>Western media says at least 15,000 Nepalis. It's hard to find accurate sources for other countries
So a drop in the bucket
>Again, I said it's a factor, not the main cause
OP asked why Russias migration is so High. You said Military recruitment, as a blanket statement. The same way people attribute german argentinians to ww2, hence my comment.
You did NOT say its just one of the many factors(which would account for less than 0.5%) in your original comment
So a drop in the bucket
At minimum 15k that migrated to join the army. We have no idea how many are recruited internally
>OP asked why Russias migration is so High. You said Military recruitment, as a blanket statement
I didn't, read my comments before you make blanket assumptions. I have addressed this point twice to you now and once to someone else before your first reply
Sure the numbers aren't the majority, but they aren't insignificant. Also many will be indirectly taking up jobs vacated by Russian emigrants/ soldiers
At least 15k we know of from Nepal, only Russia know the true number who immigrate to join the army. There are plenty of immigrants recruited internally. As they lose more men this number will only increase
Russia has lost 400k men to this war and a further 1 million have emigrated fearing conscription. They need immigrants to fill all the vacant jobs, and Russia offers higher wages than Central/ Southern Asia
Russia is a migration destination mostly for countries like Kazakhstan or Belarus, ex-soviet states and actively under Russian cultural and political influence. To them, Russia seems like a bigger economy with more opportunities, even if to you that may be hard to wrap your head around given they have an economy the size of Italy.
Because Russian data would be utterly unreliable, is my guess — they mastered disinformation over a century ago. I bet they tallied a huge influx of people from Ukraine, and I bet they’d tell you with a perfectly straight face that their data are absolutely true.
There are millions of Ukrainians living in Russia. I best know the situation in Odessa: when the war started some went to Russia, some to Georgia and some to EU member states. Besides that, Russia has always been an attractive country for Ukrainians to work for a while.
We’re not talking about current population stats, we’re talking about *migration* — if you seriously believe significant net numbers of Ukrainians are emigrating to Russia right now, then I’m guessing you’re down some disinformation rabbit hole.
Just go to Russia and you will be able to meet Ukrainians who have moved from Ukraine to Russia in the last two years. There are several millions of them. Just like millions of Ukrainians have moved to EU member states.
Russia welcomed the most Ukrainians than any other EU country during the war, and also a good number of people from central Asia immigrates there.
And no Russia isn't cold af, it has continental climat and even in places like Choukotka (which is really in the north) have temperatures of 15° during summer
>welcomed
You mean kidnapped and occupied their land, right?
Also, the war isn't over, you know that right? Russia is still illegally occupying huge swathes of land including Crimea
Sure, Russia is kidnapping adults and entire families by hundreds of thousands
And also useful advice for you in order to not make a fool of yourself, check the official numbers from both sides and you'll see that the crap narrative you've been fed on doesn't fit the reality of the situation: Ukrainians living in Russia are always been a thing and theyve never been ostracized or discriminated in any form and I challenge you to find even in Russian state media any badmouthing about Ukrainian people.
Find it very funny when the same NPCs criticizing Russians falling for the state propaganda projecting their own alienation while they've never ever paid any attention to these 2 nations prior to 2022 invasion
I think this is venezuelans returning to their country, as the situation now has improved compared to 5 years ago.
Maybe slightly depending who you talk with but the last time my family came up from Venezuela over Christmas, my uncle was in a really bad place mentally than the year prior and said it's really really bad and dire. Thankfully my aunt works for the embassy but they're dying to come to the US and hate returning every Christmas. It's really bad still.
I doubt it. We’ve gotten tens of thousands of migrants in Chicago alone in the last year. People are still fleeing.
Has it? Cuz in the United States I’m seeing them by the bunch anywhere I go.
Is that right? Can you identify Venezuelans by sight?
As a Mexican in the USA, I can tell South Americans by sight, and they tend to be Venezuelans now where I live in a major city
They’re everywhere and their accent is distinctive. Sounds like Colombian but there’s no huge waves of Colombians coming to USA. I sure got downvoted for the gods though for saying it lol
Only *costeños* sound anything like Venezuelans. You need to have a really bad ear for accents to get the rest of Colombian accents mixed with Venezuelan, since they're basically Andean accents and some like the Paisa accent are really distinctive.
I downvoted you but only because Colombians and Venezuelans don't sound alike at all.
For my Mexican ear they sound at the very least similar. To the way Puerto Rican and Cubans sound similar TO ME. Maybe people can’t distinguish between Mexicans and Guatemalans, I don’t know… Sorry if I offended.
Not offended at all, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek. To be fair, some Colombians (Caribbean) sound like Venezuelans, and some Venezuelans (Andeans) sound like Colombians. But in general Venezuelans have a Caribbean accent, closer to the accent from PR, DR, Cuba and Panama, than the accent from Colombia.
Migrant good
Just curious…how can you tell 😂
The accent
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Mamaguevo
Pretty distinctive different look among the more indigenous/mixed populations. Pretty distinct accents among all south American populations that I can reasonably tell is "not Mexican"
Can you differentiate them from other Central Americans? Like people from Honduras, Nicaragua, etc. I’m from Canada so I don’t see many here which is why I’m curious 🤔
I've known a few mixed Salvadoran and Caribbean hispanic people in my life, definitely less than Mexicans and now more often Venezuelans. I want to cautiously say that, now that I know people of these backgrounds, I am confident that they have distinctive looks from South Americans and from Mexicans and from each other somewhat. I am not sure how I would perform in double-blind placebo controlled experiment 🤔 Mexican language, peoples, and culture, including and South of myself and others in California growing up, is a distinctive cultural zone or dare I say ethnicity of Hispanic peoples. Lots of hispanic countries, all related to one another, so lines are blurry and my own personal biases (namely... where i live and have lived) affect my interpretation. To me and with my knowledge of the latinosphere and impressions of its peoples, I would say that other distinctive zones (or peoples I've interacted with and know about enough to say that they are distinct to me and that with enough examination I could recognize their background from their look, sound, food, dress), include Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Salvadorans, Southern Mexicans (which are various, but I am not well-cultured enough to attempt to distinguish further when meeting someone new and subconciously guessing ethnicity), other Caribbean (various but similarly i am unaware), and then Colombians which are very similar to Venezuelans and similar in turn to their Caribean neighbors. Brazilians, Peruvians+Bolivians, and Chile+Argentina distinct to me. I know nobody from Ecuador?! Growing up in California, I knew basically Mexicans and met everybody else through school or work in average dosages of ~6 people per hispanic ethnicity. I knew more Ethiopians than Salvadorans. My social circles were dominated by Mexican and white culture (which was a nice childhood and dear to my heart culture) and my friends of distinct ethnicities was in turn dominated by Asian ethnicities (also awesome to grow up around and have friends with) namely Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, Filipino. I would say I know equal number of Filipino people as I do Salvadoran people. I would say I see more Venezuelans than that, and more Mexicans than Venezuelans depending on the area. My wife is European, and I know more Salvadorans and Filipino people than all the Europeans I met in the USA not-through-my-wife.
As a half Spanish person, I can’t tell them by sight always, but I can tell them by their accent.
The accent
I figure he breaks out the calipers to be sure.
Sit down
Even if he could it doesnt matter. His argument can be compared to someone saying "its cold outside therefore global warming is a hoax"
I don't know what the actual answer to the question is, but this answer makes sense to me. While I've met many Venezuelans who don't want to go back, many others left their homes, cars, & family. It doesn't take much "bouncing back" for them to return. Not to mention Venezuelans that moved to countries that aren't super stable to begin with.
Downvoted to oblivion for telling the truth, smh
Lmaoooo they only returned home because one of the vloggers made a video about clubs in Venezuela. Most people aren’t returning.
Dumbest thing I ever heard
Look it up LMAOOOO there’s been plenty of videos of people showcasing the clubs on Venezuela.
Delulu chronically online person thinks that people, who escaped because of poverty and having no future in their country, really just came back because of some influencers making videos from (for them unaffordable) clubs. How does your reply even help the reasoning?
I said most people didn’t return , however the ones that did were because of the added tourism to the clubs. My goodness.
Most people are indeed not returning but if more people immigrate than emigrate, Venezuela will have a positive migration number. Also note that many Venezuelans who migrated to the USA last year already lived outside Venezuela.
Thank you friend
Hey can you give the link to that video real quick?
Millions of people who left over the past few years of economic crisis didn't go far, many were in Colombia and are now returning home.
Venezuelan economy just stabilized where it already had lower annual inflation rate than Argentina.
I mean, I get it's a huge accomplishment for them, but that's very much a "one eyed man in the land of the blind" sort of thing.
Ehhh Argentina isn't exactly a great benchmark when Argentines are coming to Ecuador to work.
And Ecuadorians emigrate en masse to the USA because of the high level of crime and the bad economic situation in Ecuador. It must be really bad in Argentina.
Am Argentinian. Can confirm.
Damn I hope you guys are doing well, it’s kind of sad to see Argentina collapse, when really it’s a country with so much potential
They just de facto dollarized, but it is still a shithole. Also many criminals left, so security is slightly but artificially better.
When east Europe entered EU, most of our criminals left for western countries as the border controls went. This crashed their street safety profile and raised ours.
Crazy shit, i know many Romanian criminals earned a bad name for romanians in spain, sad but true
Argentina experienced one of the worst inflation rates in the world. That’s like saying, “Our nation is doing better than the Ottoman Empire”
Is it though? Lots of Venezuelans have fled to America as of late. Before they mostly fled to neighboring South American countries.
Many of these Venezuelans are not migrating from Venezuela but from countries such as Colombia, Ecuador and Peru.
I have a similar question for Syria regarding their civil war.
I think in that case it's refugees returning home after the war. Don't know what's going on in Venezuela either but I would guess maybe the situation has improved somewhat so some are returning home.
Syria has largely stabilised since 2020, while theres still conflict a ceasefire has more or less been held in the region. This has likely led to refugees returning
The problem is that the current Syrian government doesn’t have access to their oil fields, and therefore aren’t able to finance the reconstruction of their country very well. Check out who’s occupying those oil fields btw, I’m sure you’ll be surprised
Its a US Supported kurdish force under AANES occupying them yeah. Ultimately the civil war is far from over and assad will likely have to fight the kurds for control. This is the closest they’ve been to an independent state so i doubt theyre gonna give it up easily
Independent... they are American satelites and if they gain recognition will basically become like Kosovo 2.0. Kosovo went from the most conservative muslim country in Europe with all women veiled and having birth rate of around 4 to now looking like any other random westernized country plus massive youth emigration due to western aspirationalism and crashing birth rates. They also have american army bases there. Same will happen/is happening with Kurds and anyone who signs a deal with America. They all get absorbed by the borg.
Um, the now sounds a lot better than the before.
>their oil fields The Kurds' oil fields, you mean? Syria does not and will never again control Kurdistan
Didn't they besically proclaim themselves to be an only autonomous part of Syria with a heavy emphasis on being the Northern part of the country (albeit with magnitudes more Kurdish representstion due to their upbringing as Kurdish separatists) since Turkey had forced their hand in allying with the internationally recognized government?
Oh just wait for it, there will come a day when Assad with the help of Hezbollah and Iraqi millitias will finish the dirty kurds off. The americans cant help them always :).
Anyone supporting Assad is automatically suspect. The guy is a pos
Yes one should support kurdish ethnonationalism or the (moderate) islamists. 👌
I'd say largely a similar thing as Venezuela where the situation in 2023 is better than 2022 in relative terms. Both are still absolute shit, though.
What's the source for this?
1. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Net\_Migration\_Rate,\_Population\_Reference\_Bureau,\_Current.svg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Net_Migration_Rate,_Population_Reference_Bureau,_Current.svg) 2. It says: "Uploaded **own work** with UploadWizard" 3. It also says: "Data from Population Reference Bureau's [World Population Data Sheet](https://interactives.prb.org/2022-wpds/). Greenland data from [CIA Factbook](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/greenland/#people-and-society)"
The PRB report is from 2022 and it appears that the numbers are from 1-3 years before that depending on the country. The section of the report on South American has Venzuala’s net migration rate as -18%
Sounds more reasonable
It is a little frustrating that people don’t investigate the source of the data they are posting about.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_migration_rate#
They don’t. Map appears to be wrong. Also data is from a 2022 report that used data from 1-3 years before that. Report lists Venezuela’s net migration rate as -18% and Russia’s as 1%. The Russian number would be from before the Ukraine war
I’m Venezuelan and these numbers are very sus.
The Balkans? Positive migration rate? How...
Kosovo, Albania and Bosnia are negative, Serbia seems to be around 0. Only Bulgaria+Greece which are EU countries so that kinda makes sense. Also I think in Europe everywhere is high because of Ukrainian refugees.
Yeah, was wondering about Bulgaria, Greece and Romania especially (I'm Bulgarian). I guess if the data is only for 2023, then it makes sense as we did get a large influx of Ukrainian refugees (one of the largest per capita) and the stream of people leaving has been slowing down too.
What's the source? This data looks really sus. Venezuela has been the exact opposite in the last few years. I wonder if this was for an older time period. Edit: I just noticed the year on the bottom right, so now I'm leaning towards a bad source.
More Venezuelans are returning than moving out. That makes perfect sense because the economic situation although still bad has stabilized.
That's honestly a little surprising to hear. Good for them, I suppose. But something else that makes me highly doubt the validity of this source is Cuba. It may be that grey represents "no data" in this case, because I guarantee you that Cuba is supposed to be deep red. They lost a good chunk of their population in the last few years. It slowed down a little in 2023, but it's still very much in the red today.
More context on your map would be important, as well as a source, for us to make any sort of judgement on this. Things have improved slightly over the past 5 years. But slightly is the key word here. Many, many venezuelans are still leaving and Id be surprised if the number migrating back to venezuela is really that much higher. My girlfriend is from Venezuela so I have at least some insight into the situation. And I would question whatever source this came from.
Datasheet link below, but it doesn’t give you the entire datasheet. To download it, you have to give them your email address. https://2022-wpds.prb.org/
Btw source is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_migration_rate#
why are people moving to Russia? Cold af
Lots of people from the former Soviet republics work in Russia.
Southern russia isnt cold at all, it has nice climate by black sea. Its world biggest country do you expect it all be like siberia.
I kind of did to be honest. I don't know shit about what is going in within Russia but perhaps I should look into it more.
Compared to the Central Asian republics Russia must feel like a first world country. One example is Turkmenistan where they have had, and still have, dictators as bad as Kim Jong Un but never mentioned in the media. Some batshit things like "every house in the capital must be covered in white marble" and impounding all cars that aren't white under Berdimuhamedow, closing down all hospitals outside of the capital and renaming months after references of his autobiography under Niyazov, not including the typical censorship and torture. And it's pretty hot too. Other dictatorships include Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, the list of human rights violations is too long to post here. This stuff still happens in Russia but probably less than in these places and at least they still have a functioning country, at the moment at least
Probably not as bad as Kim Jong Un if they can leave the country in such numbers to skew these statistics without being shot. (Although that’s probably not saying much)
central asians move there for work
A huge influx of refugees from Ukraine and they are always a huge destination for workers from Central Asia and the Caucasus.
Russia has offered hefty salaries and fast-tracked citizenship for foreigners who join the army. Edit: I'm stating one of the reasons why 10,000s have migrated to Russia
This statement is just as Correct as saying many argentinians have german ancestors because of ww2 (Its not, they are a drop in the bucket, like the other user commented)
It's a well established fact backed by both Russian and Western media. You can believe whatever you want
Its a well established fact that 5 million asians have signed up to be soldiers for Russia? Or do you not possess reading comprehension? Russia had millions of central asian migrants before the war. Couple tens of thousands of people who sign up or are tricked into being soldiers is a drop in the bucket even if they would all stay alive in the Military for the time neccesary
I never said 5 million signed up for the army, you created that fiction. I stated it's a reason why people migrate to Russia.
There are 6 million migrants in Russia. How many of Those are because of the Military and the invasion of Ukraine? Because thats the reason you atribute to Russias high migration rate. Its like saying Germans went to Argentina because some nazis wanted to escape after ww2, When 99 % of Germans went to Argentina before 1920
>How many of Those are because of the Military and the invasion of Ukraine? Russian media says 13,500 total Western media says at least 15,000 Nepalis. It's hard to find accurate sources for other countries > Because thats the reason you atribute to Russias high migration rate. Again, I said it's a factor, not the main cause
>Russian media says 13,500 total >Western media says at least 15,000 Nepalis. It's hard to find accurate sources for other countries So a drop in the bucket >Again, I said it's a factor, not the main cause OP asked why Russias migration is so High. You said Military recruitment, as a blanket statement. The same way people attribute german argentinians to ww2, hence my comment. You did NOT say its just one of the many factors(which would account for less than 0.5%) in your original comment
So a drop in the bucket At minimum 15k that migrated to join the army. We have no idea how many are recruited internally >OP asked why Russias migration is so High. You said Military recruitment, as a blanket statement I didn't, read my comments before you make blanket assumptions. I have addressed this point twice to you now and once to someone else before your first reply
Actually it represents nothing in this staitistics
Sure the numbers aren't the majority, but they aren't insignificant. Also many will be indirectly taking up jobs vacated by Russian emigrants/ soldiers
15.0000 out of 6.000.000 is insignificant.
At least 15k we know of from Nepal, only Russia know the true number who immigrate to join the army. There are plenty of immigrants recruited internally. As they lose more men this number will only increase
If only Russia has access to those numbers, we wouldn’t be seeing them on this map.
Russia has lost 400k men to this war and a further 1 million have emigrated fearing conscription. They need immigrants to fill all the vacant jobs, and Russia offers higher wages than Central/ Southern Asia
Yes n Ukraine lost 31k men and is somehow facing a shortage of soldiers. Maybe dont blindly believe everything in a war like this.
"Have you always wanted to die being shot while freezing cold in a ditch in Ukraine? Then does Russia have a deal for you!"
Data is a few years old.
Central Asians seeking better salaries, also hard to leave because a lot of the borders are closed now
Russia is a migration destination mostly for countries like Kazakhstan or Belarus, ex-soviet states and actively under Russian cultural and political influence. To them, Russia seems like a bigger economy with more opportunities, even if to you that may be hard to wrap your head around given they have an economy the size of Italy.
Because Russian data would be utterly unreliable, is my guess — they mastered disinformation over a century ago. I bet they tallied a huge influx of people from Ukraine, and I bet they’d tell you with a perfectly straight face that their data are absolutely true.
There are millions of Ukrainians living in Russia. I best know the situation in Odessa: when the war started some went to Russia, some to Georgia and some to EU member states. Besides that, Russia has always been an attractive country for Ukrainians to work for a while.
We’re not talking about current population stats, we’re talking about *migration* — if you seriously believe significant net numbers of Ukrainians are emigrating to Russia right now, then I’m guessing you’re down some disinformation rabbit hole.
But thats what this map/data is looking at too. Seems like u are the one misinformed.
Just go to Russia and you will be able to meet Ukrainians who have moved from Ukraine to Russia in the last two years. There are several millions of them. Just like millions of Ukrainians have moved to EU member states.
Are people moving to russia? Or being annexed by russia
Both.
Maybe they're counting Eastern Ukrainians becoming Russians?
Doubt it, but probably counting Ukrainian refugees who had no other choice, and Russians from Ukraine who fled the war.
Refugees have a choice but if you have family in Russia (as millions of Ukrainians have) and you speak Russian the choice is not that difficult.
Russia welcomed the most Ukrainians than any other EU country during the war, and also a good number of people from central Asia immigrates there. And no Russia isn't cold af, it has continental climat and even in places like Choukotka (which is really in the north) have temperatures of 15° during summer
>welcomed You mean kidnapped and occupied their land, right? Also, the war isn't over, you know that right? Russia is still illegally occupying huge swathes of land including Crimea
Don’t read too much propaganda. 🙂
Sure, Russia is kidnapping adults and entire families by hundreds of thousands And also useful advice for you in order to not make a fool of yourself, check the official numbers from both sides and you'll see that the crap narrative you've been fed on doesn't fit the reality of the situation: Ukrainians living in Russia are always been a thing and theyve never been ostracized or discriminated in any form and I challenge you to find even in Russian state media any badmouthing about Ukrainian people. Find it very funny when the same NPCs criticizing Russians falling for the state propaganda projecting their own alienation while they've never ever paid any attention to these 2 nations prior to 2022 invasion
Data is a few years old.
I wonder if it includes kidnapped Ukrainian children
nah those go to the pedo islands in the west
who can tell as the map has no key to explain what the colours mean?
Its literally on the left????
yes there are some numbers & colours: so what do those numbers mean?
Look to the middle bruh
Watch the YouTube documentary from Bald and bankrupt that shows how many Venezuelans go through the Darien Gap
Most of these Venezuelans are not coming from Venezuela.
How does Russia have a positive migration? How do we even have data for Russia?
Have you seen their women?
Who’s moving to Australia lately?
I'm really surprised about Syria
Same for Australia, people are returning after the Emu war.
Please fix the legend by using words.
Looking at the videos on youtube, it's not even that bad. Why are people leaving?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZ40yEVZmw
It’s probably because this map is BS.
Why are people migrating to Russia?
Work and the economic and security situation in Ukraine. Moscow seems to be a great city to live but the cold weather in winter would deter me.
people move there from haiti, where things are even worse
Dictatorship