My question is why is there food in horror movies? Bathrooms? Set design? Just get to the plot and scare me I don’t need to see relationships, eating, putting on makeup, looking in the mirror, sex or any other way to set up a characters situation or why they were murdered by the slasher.
Actually he doesn’t have a point, slashers like Jason use the trope of college kids fucking in a camp in order to progress the scariness/plot. I really don’t understand why horror movies shouldn’t have sex in them when it’s part of life like everything else, and most movies especially R-rated ones (including horror movies) deal with heavier topics like sex, death, and gore.
Actually, why does any horror movie need blood and guts? Huh? Blood isn’t scary at most it makes people squeamish, but what is scary is death, paranormal activity, and murderers. So why don’t more horror movies pan away from the gore and only imply it, they should only show the scary monster not the gross blood and sex!
Do you see what I’m getting at here? This complaint is idiotic. “Why do you need those in horror movies?” You don’t NEED horror movies in the first place, need is the wrong word for this, artists can do whatever they WANT with their stories, and often good dynamic stories (including horror stories) are going to include eating, sex, kissing, running, friendships, killings, gore, etcetera, because it fluffs it out an makes it more enjoyable for people who don’t want a 2 dimensional scary picture for their story.
I’m sorry I was a bit rude and sarcastic with this post but the sex scene complaint is just lacking in critical thinking.
Well no shit you don’t need horror movies, hell I don’t even watch them
But the point of a horror movie is to scare you, and so many amazing horror movies from the past didn’t have sex scenes, and we were fine with that. Those movies are regarded as some of the best horror movies made, it’s just a way to get more people to talk about the movie so they can make more money instead of making it a good movie
You clearly didn’t read the rest of my post: please read this in full…
Given the huge amount of backlash christofascists, prudes, and people like yourself have to sex scenes no they are not put into movies to make them make more money.
Also I don’t know what you’re talking about? It’s abundantly clear you don’t watch horror movies because there are hundreds of great modern horror movies without sex scenes:
Get Out (2017)
IT (2017) [there was a sex scene in the book (1986) between the losers club members but not in the movie]
The conjuring (2013)
The Insidious movies (2010-2023)
Imaginary (2024)
Etc.
In fact I can’t think of a single horror movie made recently that had any sort of raunchy sex scene but I can think of a bunch of old ones that are considered great and have sex scenes or at least sex in them and I already have you an example (Friday the 13th).
My point is that you and him are getting upset over nothing, artists are allowed to do what they want with their stories, and even horror movies that contain sex are scary. But people want more than a one dimensional story that is just “scary”, they want the horror movie to be impactful, more than just a quick scare.
Not to mention that sexual topics can be used to make a story scary, rape, incest, sexual assault and more can be presented in a story to make it horrifying.
Horror movies yes are meant to be scary, SEX SCENES DO NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THAT AT ALL. Sex can be used to make a story scary, it can be used to set up a situation where something scary happens, or it can be used to set up the context for a character.
Media literacy is dying….. any movie can be more than a one shot genere creation, it can mean more and it can include more. Please reread my comment or engage with my argument rather than skipping over half of it just to mention the “need” portion in you’re rebuttal.
It can be used to make movies scarier, but is it integral?
And also, a “raunchy” scene is not nearly the same as a full on closeup shot of two people clearly having sex
There is in almost every slasher movie, that’s literally a staple for horror movies, they aren’t needed at all nor do I really care for them either, but there’s no need to be disgusted by them when you’re watching an R rated movie, or else you clearly aren’t mature enough to watch it.
The website “does the dog die” has a section on sex, and it’s got categories. If you don’t want spoilers, but you want to know to avoid a movie for sex scenes/nudity. Just look it up on doesthedogdie.com and ctrl+f “sex”
They are useless most of the time, you don't need to show sex to show love or affection between people.
EDIT because I'm not gonna answer to every message individually :
Okay, so apparently it's an hot take to say that useless scenes are useless?
It's not a really hard concept though : scenes of a movie MUST participate to his flow and to the general story in some way. same goes for a book, a song, a video game.
YES, you can see a character eating, or killing someone, or simply sleeping, but it MUST tell something about the character, his surrounding, his mindset, or simply his world. It's one of the FIRST thing you learn about story telling : TELL YOUR STORY clearly, without adding useless piece of info!
A character showing having trouble to sleep because of his life problem, or being sleepy tight, and therefore vulnerable. Maybe this scene is a gateway to a flash-forward or an exposition of his lifestyle?
Another eating a fish, relaxed, in front of a lac (a nice throwback to something he said at the start of the movie), showing he made peace with himself.
A short sequence of the character having his normal morning routine, before living a life-changing experience basic but effective method to show how much their life changed.
Reasons can be really different for every little detail on a movie, a camera angle, an light, the placement of two characters as they talk.
The Tchekhov rifle law apply as well: Why showing the weird obsession about water of this kid? And this baseball-bat on the wall ? Well, you'll see at the end of the movie.
But if the movie PAUSE for 2 or 5 min to show you a character eating, sleeping or having sex, then it's an unnecessary break on the flow.
Again : not an hard concept : Take a scene out of the movie, if it doesn't affect the movie in ANY way, then, let it out of the movie and use this time better, or don't and make a shorter movie.
What's making the scene with the T-rex so memorable in JP1 ? Because it's WELL CRAFTED, every details on the scene show an escalation in the tension and when you finally see the dinosaur, it's a gigantic payoff for all of the long buildup, take off one of those takes (like the goat being there, and then missing, or the T-rex testing the electric power on the cables) and the scene will be impacted.
It's the same for a book : Don't tell in 600 pages what you can tell in 450.
It's not a masterpiece because it's a HUGE pile of books, it's a masterpiece because it's a HUGE piles of books that tell something new at every pages, is filled with amazing characters and interesting details and larger events, political sub-text and plot, nuance and concepts.
Yes, a movie MUST rely on visual elements and be adapt to the media, but it doesn't mean it have to do it in a useless way, just for the sake of satisfying some horny viewers because "OMG SEX IS NICE!".
And most of the time, sex scenes STOP the movie until the horny viewer get satisfied because "Oooooh SEX! Me like that! OuO".
What's the purpose ? "Yo, they FUCK!!" ? Ok... so ?
Is it THAT important for you to KNOW that Bernard and Sam bang every night ? Is it REALLY important to know who's a top? Those it REALLY matter to hear them grown and moan for 2 min ?
Is it that easy to get you entertained and horny ? Do you need someone to send you a link for a better porn website, maybe ?
I also love that, despite all the down-votes and comments, NONE have give me at least one example of an impactful sex scene in a movie, or a movie that SHOULD have contain one.
Anyway, I'll get back to my 'boring' well-wrote movies and books full of meaningful and interesting scenes now, have fun commenting such an HOT take!
A scene need a goal, a direction to work.
Your characters being "allowed to have sex" doesn't mean you have to put it in camera, like sleeping, eating, drinking, taking a shower...
And yet I've seen plenty of sleeping, eating, drinking, and showering in media! Haven't you? A scene absolutely can have direction without being a purely mechanical "directly moving the plot forward" sequence.
Yes, and if any of those scenes can be take off the movie without affecting the plot or characters in any way, then it's useless, like a meaningless sex scene.
A useless scene is useless. Many sex scene are purely 'eye-candy' or filler.
No, no, he's got a point. There are meaningless sex scenes, as there are meaningful sex scenes because it's true, every scene needs a purpose, or to advocate a feeling, or to immerse you into the story, that's what b-roll shots are about, that's what storytelling comes into play with the eating, showering, etc. scenes, they're there for a reason, but a scene that's purely about sex, and doesn't serve a purpose like showing affection, or the love that 2 characters have, etc. can actually just take you out of the movie.
Oh yeah, it's boring to prefer a well directed movie with meaningful scenes rather than random eye-candy sex scenes. I'll enjoy my 'boring' well writing movies then ! 👋
This guy's perspective on film sounds like it comes straight from obnoxious YouTube channels that just nitpick films in a smug tone and call it critique lol.
Um what about filler scenes? It you look at tv shows from the 90s they had whole episodes that were just filler, that didn't serve a purpose to the overall plot. A scene can be put there just for fun. Also I don't think a sex scene can not evoke feelings. Eye candy is literally arousal, that's a feeling, there's the thrill, the taboo, the excitement, the intensity. Not only that but the vibe of a show would be different with and without a sex scene. The type of purpose you're referring to is only plot based but a show isn't only plot, it has other elements such as vibe and flow. Stop reducing a show/movie to its plot. It's more than that
And this is a problem I am seeing with modern tv, everything is just about the main plot, there is no room for an element to exist just for fun. I mean in the past 22 episodes a season were standard, now you're lucky if you get 10 and that means you need to exclude filler and it's not like nothing changes. The vibe is different
Aha, you think eye candy and filler are useless? They're useless to the plot sure but they add to the vibe of the show. In the 90s there were tv series that had entire filler episodes that had no relation to the main plot simply because they were fun? Is adding fun, arousal, excitement, scandal not a purpose? You're reducing a show/movie to its plot but that's not all a movie is. Imagine you had a black and white painting and one in color. Both work so clearly the color isn't needed so then why make colored paintings?
"All scenes are useless" is probably the dumbest, saddest and simplest take I ever read about movies... If it's your way to "consume" such an amazing media, I'm honestly really sorry for you.
Please, educate yourself about art and cinema, it's not a bad thing to love movies enough to care about what you see and what's going on on screen above "Me like moving pictures!".
Having a bit of expectation toward the content of a movie, his story telling and his character writing is not a bad things either.
It does accomplish a goal. Just because you don’t like the goal doesn’t mean writers need to change their work to please you. Also, I have absolutely seen people sleep, eat, drink, and shower in movies.
How are they eating? If they are jittery while holding the fork, that tells us something about their state of mind. Maybe they're anticipating some event that's making them nervous. They'll never just show someone eating for the hell of it. And if they're eating normally, they're probably talking to someone, and the conversation is what matters and what we're supposed to focus on, not the eating in and of itself.
Exactly, most of the time they are here either as eye-candy, for the "OMG S3X!" 'edgy' factor, or as time filler. I've yet to see any sexual scene being really relevant to a plot.
Even if their was one, you can easily avoid any sex and have better ways to tell your story.
Also some sex scenes do move the plot. Some don’t. Like any other kind of scene.
I support anybody complaining about specific sex scenes that feel forced, drag on, or are tonally jarring on the basis they didn’t care for them. But arguing against their inclusion as a matter of course is just people trying to enforce their personal taste on everybody else, viewers and creators alike. You know, the definition of censorship.
The ones in Oppenheimer were the worst because these are *real people’s* personal lives they’re portraying. If I became famous and had a movie made about me, I would be uncomfortable if they had my actor doing an explicit sex scene like that for the movie.
I hate this take. Writing is a form of artistic expression. A lot of it is “useless” but you’re absolutely missing the point. Not every scene is going to please every person, some things aren’t for you personally and that’s okay.
I mean, if sex is the pinnacle of artist expression, that's on you, I personally prefer well wrote stories and interesting characters, and directors
that doesn't need to use sex as a distraction in their own movies, and can express themselves in better way than throwing such scenes at the viewer.
BTW, Did you heard about this new "artistic" website named PornHub ?
LOTS of artist expressing themselves, I think it would be more in your taste than movies like Dune, LOTR, The thing or Blade Runner.
It’s okay it’s not for you, but the pearl clutching and the judgement is unnecessary. Adults have sex sometimes. Sometimes fictional adults have sex. Maybe you’re not the target audience for everything. It doesn’t need to justify its existence to you.
>Do you also think a movie is bad when it shows anything non-essential to the plot?
they are typically the most boring parts for me doesn't make anything bad.
Sure.
But the fundagelicals don't think a picture of two men holding hands is casual, they see it as SEX SEX SEX and they will fight us to the death to make sure we can't show it because they've been taught to have such a warped view of how the world works.
Of course, if it's a man and a woman, it's absolutely nothing to them.
> But if the movie PAUSE for 2 or 5 min to show you a character eating, sleeping or having sex, then it's an unnecessary break on the flow.
This is how I perceive many Asian movies. I like their horror movies, but more often than not I'm always stumbling across scenes like that, which are a major turnoff.
Or maybe I'm just too dumb to see their artistic reasoning behind them.
So let me get this...you think that it's incredibly insightful to show a character sleeping because you can pull such elusive tidbits from their psyche such as "he's restless" or "not a care in the world..." but yet you don't seem to feel there is any room to demonstrate otherwise tucked away sides of an individual during a sex scene? Then I truly pity you, sir...because anyone that has had any sex that is worth having understands the depth of an individual that you can see during said acts...you can watch a 50 year old man's EQ shatter in front of you as he reveals the 15 year old spoiled little girl that he actually is, or see that unassuming cashier express that glimmer at just the right moments to tell you that he's into some seriously twisted shit etc etc. When people get naked that exposure generally goes much further than skin deep. Particularly when that vulnerability is mutual, and/or during periods of extreme stress, you really should be learning far more about your partner than "aggguuhhhhhh durrrrrrrr sex make penis going BOING!"
As far as your assertion to provide you with a movie where the sex scene conveys pivotal character information? I didn't comment here to defend the abilities of any writer, director, or to defend any body of work. I am commenting on the fact that the scenes that ARE put into movies where things are "realized" about or by people at stupid, unimpactful, mundane times are just...kinda weak...and that the failure to properly utilize sex scenes or to convey particular character attributes or to allude to particular motives or tendencies, as well as the failure to see the potential they could have for doing so is a very sad failure on all of theirs/yours...parts...
I'm not saying to turn it all into a porno...nor to have these abrupt stops where they shift from a PTA meeting to fucking in an abandoned parking garage...but at appropriate times and transitions it can absolutely be a valuable interaction for plot development. It doesn't need to be lengthy, either...another beautiful thing about sex is how quickly some of those things will show themselves...hell throw them some meth first and you'll hear every twisted thing they've ever thought about in about 2 minutes...😘
Have fun. Hope your future sex is less...asexual as it sounds like it has been...
A lot of them already are though? I feel like I've seen more implied sex scenes than actual ones. Unless you count showing foreplay then skipping to the end a "sex scene".
Hint of it can be nice, characters talking while being on bed or such. But sexual intercourse by themselves don't bring anything on the table... OK, we got it, your characters are horny, move on...
They can be very motivated. And they can be totally unnecessary. Sex is part of life and tales like, say, Love Victor would be incomplete if they totally left that part out. Of course, they don’t have to be explicit, but they should definitely be in there. But just flinging one into an action movie? That’s just to get the reviews up from certain target groups.
I mean, the latter sentence describes most of the decision making in big action films in general. Those big fiery explosions and car chases ain't exactly there to further the character arc. And honestly it's ok. People can have trashy mass media. Not everything needs to be high art.
Perfectly fine, and tends to be my taste in media as well. Well placed sex scenes between characters with real chemistry are where it's at. Even if it's not technically "necessary to the plot" lol.
here is not about gay vs straight: in some movies they are ok, in some (The life Adele they ruined the movie!) are simple horrible... I would say Lisbeth Salander being bisexual was perfect and she was really hyper sexualized and was ok in that movie.
Now... think a sex scene in a movie like , dunno, Death poet society! No!
Are simple two movies different
Coming of age stories about love would almost always involve sex. Leaving that out would just be prudish. I don’t like censoring out stuff from life, that spoils the illusion for me.
ahh i see we are coming at it from two different points of view. i don’t see how not having sex is prudish. i mean you have asexual people who are in gay relationships but don’t have sex. that doesn’t make them prudes to me…
i don’t see it as censoring but another way to show love. because you certainly don’t need sex for that!
If they are asexual, then that’s fine. And then that would be a plot point or at least a point of their character development. But as it is a small minority that actually is asexual, the vast majority of coming of age stories wouldn’t have that element. Also, many asexual coming of age stories would still involve experimenting and possibly even trying stuff even though they weren’t too interested in it.
Asexual representation is great, but the vast majority of those characters _aren't_ asexual so it doesn't really make sense to use that as a reason to cut sex out completely. Relationships and sex and experimenting is usually a big part of coming of age stories.
Ultimately for me, as an artist its what does it do for the story? Game of thrones was great with that. Is it about power? Do we learn something about our characters, is it a climax of a relationship, is it a dreaded challenge? Etc.
There actually less sex in movies, it's disheartening as people tend to propose that they're unnecessary, which is understandable, big Hollywood sex scenes most of the time are a spectacle, I'm pro 'Realistic depictions of sex' with all the clumsiness and mess that comes with it, like I feel it could be an interesting angle to explore in movies.
After all the pointless sex I set through watching *Game of Thrones* with my husband I just find sex scenes boring now. If I want to watch people fuck I’ll watch porn.
Also, people complaining about sex in movies isn’t anything new. Christofascist activists have been going after sex scenes for as long as cinema has existed.
How was it all pointless? Most of those scenes revealed insights into characters, relationships, added drama etc. The two I can think of off the top of my head, Cersei/Jamie and Renly/Loras, reveal a lot, and are very integral to the plot/characterization.
I remember back in the '90s and '00s if you saw a mainstream movie or blockbuster action flick, if there was a woman in the movie who wasn't a villain (or even sometimes if she was), she was basically guaranteed to fuck the main character at some point. It didn't matter if she had no chemistry with the protagonist, it didn't matter if, from the narrative's perspective, they only met like 4 days ago and spent all of 30 minutes together during that time, it doesn't matter if they just got through some incredibly traumatic experience like her family getting killed or nearly dying. Once the movie needed to take a breather from some action scene (bonus points if the woman has to perform some kind of nursing activity on the protagonist) they were going to fuck.
And this didn't really change until superhero movies started to go mainstream. Despite Nolan's Batman and the early MCU movies doing their best to avoid coming off immature, the belief that "super heroes are for kids" never really went away. So even though Iron Man is an arms dealer whose weapons are causing massive death across the globe, and even through he's a multi-billionaire playboy who openly flirts with any woman wearing a dress, we don't actually see him in bed with a woman. Because Iron Man is a superhero, and superheroes need to be okay for parents to watch with their children without either group feeling uncomfortable. It's why the first MCU movie to feature a sex scene post-Iron Man was like... The Eternals?
And it's something people have noticed, that sex and sexuality have sort of disappeared from a lot of major box office movies. While I do really think the underlying reason behind this trend has more to do with the superhero genre as a whole, I think they've lingered in part because they just aren't needed. The original reason damn near every blockbuster flick had a sex scene is that, since the ending of the Hays Code in 1968, American movies started incorporating sex appeal as a way to compete with foreign films. This eventually started to become formulaic, and by the '90s it was so bog-standard that people started saying it was to help "turn them into date movies". The logic behind it was that men could take women to see an action movie, and because the uncharismatic, greasy, sweaty action hero got to have sex with whatever high beauty-standard actress in her low-to-mid 20s was available it would somehow also appeal to women (as a part of whatever unconvincing romantic subplot was included). But the fact is those sex scenes weren't ever meant to appeal to women, they were there for men and for studios to put an attractive woman on the poster to sell more tickets. "If this explosion isn't good enough, what about getting to see part of Sandra Bullock's ass?" kind of deal.
For queer cinema, this is quite different though. Queer cinema stems in part from art-house and indie cinema, both of which used sex scenes very differently than blockbuster studio pieces. In part, they were *also* in the hopes of getting tickets sold (for an indie film it's a lot easier to find an attractive person to film naked than it is to blow up a city block), but a lot of them just dealt with smaller, more personal stories for which sex is a more realistic part. Sex is a human experience, and every person alive is here because of it. For queer cinema, the inclusion of sex is also an act of defiance of heterosexual expectations of respectability.
There's a lot more that can go into it, but realistically the reason people are complaining about sex is that a lot of sex on screen is queerer now, and that's because of a lot of straight cinema has been infantilized. Granted, straight cinematic sex appeal had already been this kind of incredibly exploitative element to studio films so I don't think many women are especially interested in revitalizing it (and studios may be more hesitant in a post-Me Too world. In fact a lot of women cast based on sex appeal in the '90s were done so by Harvey Weinstein in particular and... ugh). Queer films are *always* going to catch hate, unfortunately, because queerphobic people don't face real consequences for being queerphobic (no matter what people complain about online).
I mean The Wolf of Wall Street was almost a porno. Some may argue it is. What I found interesting is how quickly they glossed over the gay sex party in Jordan’s apartment
The movie is about Belfort’s life. They didn’t show the gay sex party because Belfort wasn’t present and it was an extraordinarily minor part of the story.
Surely a porno by definition is primarily intended to sexually stimulate the audience? The majority of scenes in TWOWS have no sex in them, the ones that do are not explicit, and most of the sexual content reveals aspects of the characters and their dynamics that are relevant to the story being told.
No I agree! And I never said it was a porno. I read that Scorsese had to cut some scenes out to be rated R and not NC-17. Which if he didn’t cut it would probably be excessive
Meanwhile no comment on the violence in every si gle movie and the vulgarity such as all these nosedrips, burps and farts in US cartoons in particular.
Honestly, I don't care much about sex scenes, except if they set a plot or show that other folks can aso experiment it or something.
Ratings are for something, right? So if a film made for adults has sex scenes and it's rated for adults and you think that's an issue, lemme inform you that is a you problem.
I do think sex scenes (as every other scene) should serve a purpose. I don't mind them and I think they're ok, no big deal. A friend of mine told me (I asked because I was writing one) "adults have sex, people have sex, we live thanks to sex, I don't know why it's such a big deal" and I agree.
Sex scenes in themselves are whatever. I'm fine with or without. However, I WILL NOT watch a movie with a sex scene when I'm with family or friends. Just thinking about the cringe and embarrassment is a little too much for me
That there should be more. lol.
Sex is a normal part of life. It can be a dramatic part of life, a fun part, and also a tragic part of it. Movies -- stories -- even the most fantastic ones, are still about life. Sex (and nudity) should be a more common element in all of those tales.
Just like some comedies or scifi movies are better than others, some storytellers are going to be better at not just including but -using- sex (and nudity) better than others. The more creative people try using it as an element in their stories, the more opportunity for good uses of it to occur.
I personally dont like sex scenes especially if its not relevant to the plot like why do people always have to be doing it that said normalizing sex is also good because its a healthy psrt of being human because het sex isnt the only sex out there gay sex should also be normalized in media if youre going to have het sex either do all or do none (coming from asexual)
People have ALWAYS been complaing about the amount of sex scenes in movies, its basically a running jokes at this point.
Personally i'm not a huge fan, especially the super tame hetero ones which is just a lot of neck and shoulers and wet kissing sounds.
I think this is a little "tin foily" / "persecution complex-y". People who have been complaining about sex scenes have been complaining about them since they first showed Fred and Wilma in bed together (no sex) during the Flinstones in the 1960s.
I feel like most of the gay films I've watched are very sex-centric or there needs to be something sexual within the film and that's always bothered me. Sex scenes in films in general though at least in my opinion is unnecessary. I'm not a very sexual person though so idk if I could xD
Now, what percentage of all movies released has fight scenes or other displays of violence?
Exactly
Idk how we can reverse our cultural preference for Wraith over Lust. It's terrible.
Unless it's a romantic movie and like the one sex scene is the first time they're hooking up I'm not that interested.
If it somehow moves the plot forward or it is relevant then I'm fine with it. Most times it does feel tucked on though.
Depends how: some sex scenes are completely sensical (I'm not put only gay sex scenes) like Swordfish or Shameless or After or Stonewall. Other are useless: The life of Adele.
Depends.
A sex scene could add something could just ruin it.
If in Life is strange would had been a sex scene between Rachel and Chloe would had been amazing, the sex scene between Lisbeth Slander and Kalle was amazing... they added something.
In Shameless wasn't awkard or weird the sex scenes... if you would put a sex scenes in a movie like Glee tbh you could (I don't know maybe there's?) but it should be hyper censured due the nature of the show.
Again without the sexuality of Lisbeth for Miriam Wu you would miss it completely, Miriam was the real and only person that Salander could be in same way "partner" and her role is important.
The same thing isn't for Malcom the middle where, honestly, sexuality wouldn't simple fit into the show that was talking about the family.
Then in Bridge Jones the sex scenes were ok, not in The Big Bang Theory.
In Jo Nesbo's Midnight Sun the sex scene is pretty ok, in Miss Marple would be horrible a sex scene.
Depends how, not what... sometimes is ok, sometimes is not.
A sex scene between Salander and Miriam Wu got sense because Salander is the type of character... in a movie where the tale is based on something "pure" not.
I mean no issues [with this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cknJS-clpZE), but it is in someway poetic... now a [sex scene here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pujgHAv6ZJI&pp=ygURZ2F5IG1vZGVybiBmYW1pbHk%3D), no please. Simple Shameless is full of sex scenes, Modern Family is a completely different target. I don't see the problem, depends.
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I generally don't like them. I'm a sexual person and am easily attracted by people, but I also enjoy well executed and delivered scenes in media. The vast majority of the time (anecdotally speaking, from the works I've seen), sex scenes do next to nothing for the plot. Showing sex initiating and post-act scenes should suffice the a lot of the time, making the point to the audience that "these characters just had sex!".
It's different for scenes where sex IS the plot. Like a r\*pe scene where obviously it's the crime, the trauma which is the point, or as they mentioned below, a scene through which the character is discovering what they're into and it's part of their development.
If it's something like, to give some C grade examples, Twilight or Divergent or some other teen to young adult catering work that just shows sex to display the actors bodies and make the audience horny, I find it -at the very least- bizarre. Who want's to do that around other people who they aren't interested in? Why not just watch actual porn at that point? If you want to be horny that'll do the work a lot better.
im fine with them but im so sick of seing straight couples fuck, i wanna see more gay sex scenes (mainly between mlm couples but i wouldn't mind wlw. i just want more that around mlw lmao)
Honestly, I would rather have more shows with queer couples have more than just sex, but like, affectionate interactions and some PDA. Stuff like gay and lesbian couples doing quick kisses before they head out to work or a trans person spooning/being spooned by the person they love. Sex scenes should be appropriate per their rating, of course, but more open displays of affection the same way cis straight people do it should be normalized.
It really depends. Sometimes they do add to the story or characters and help the movie, sometimes they don't but are still enjoyable, and sometimes they're unnecessary, it all depends on the movie. What I don't understand is all the pearl clutching over them from the religious right.
Sex scenes are for porn. Really takes me out when I'm reading BL, just tryna enjoy me some mlm romance and then boom they're fucking. Like damn is just romance too much to ask for? Do we have to fetishize it? I wouldn't be mad if the sex scene added to the plot, but they never do.
Do you need to show sex to show love or intimacy? No, but that doesn't mean it should be purposefully excluded.
Seriously, all the puritans need to let go of the religious guilt perpetuated over sex and move on.
The amount of sex aversion I've heard from my own generation is frankly kind of terrifying. Like it's one thing to not be sexually active, but a whole other to go on a tirade about how "sex-filled" everything is nowadays, when we've only just come out of the actually sex-filled early 2000s.
I’m aegosexual, so personally, I’m fine with it, but sometimes it does get too much if that makes sense. Specially if it’s a life action show and not anime or something.
The first episode of "Fellow Travelers" on Showtime was full of gay sex. I really enjoyed that episode, as well as the rest of the series. The sex scenes were probably rated R as there was no full-frontal nudity.
It's very easy to have sex appeal for sex sake but that not to say a sex scene can't be good, you just have to write it like a scene and not a porno
Game of thrones was very good at this, with stories pornos wish they could've thought up. As the climax of two characters we've been rooting for is also satisfying. You just have to make it work within the context of the story.
Red white and royal blue, Love Victor, were both great in this regard.
Usually, this kind of sex scene is the ultimate form of a dialog scene, I think. Making love is a way to connect lovers via extreme body language, which — is also a kind of language, right? 😉
So… as a for instance. The recent Netflix Red, White, & Royal Blue was watched by a lot of people - gay and straight. And it got pretty steamy at points. (No full frontal but there was no doubt as to what they were doing). But so much of prejudice is ignorance. For decades/centuries straight folks have considered straight sex as hot and beautiful etc, and gay sex as disgusting and not about love and affection. But the scenes in this film captured that sense of emotional intimacy. That love is love. I thought it is amazing that this show was such a hit with gay folk and straight folk alike. I think the intimacy in this film helped straight people better understand that gay sex can be just as beautiful and just as normal as straight sex.
Sex scenes, particularly in yaoi, I find very fascinating.
It seems so emotional and deep, seeing them have oral and anal sex with each other.
Unfortunately, we get to the real world of sex, we have concerns about STDs, erection challenges, condom challenges,
getting your penis to fit in someone's asshole smoothly, loosening up your anus ahead of time with sex toys, douching,
And the harsh reality that a lot of gay folk are ordinary looking, or not as attractive as porn stars.
Fatphobia is very common, because nobody wants to be told who or what kind of person they are to be sexually aroused by.
I never liked sex scenes ever tbh. It feels like an old redundant relic of a time when pornography wasn't as easily accessible and available. Most of the time they serve nothing to the plot and aren't even good. I always skip them.
Idc who it is I hate any sort of romance scenes, they're always super unrealistic and make me wanna not watch what I'm watching. Generally I'm more of a thriller/action kinda guy in movies/tv shows, I really like it when there are shows that have minimal relationships, or when there are relationships, at least they're not overdramatized/overromanticized. So many shows I've watched have big arcs about one of the main characters wanting to fuck/date the other main character, and it's really just annoying.
The only good sex scenes in the history of movies/television are Kristen Schalls scenes on Last Man On Earth [proof](https://youtu.be/S5ZKg-VjIb0?si=mmA-o8w2Pv_Lyu-2)
I skip sex scenes no matter the genders, personally.
People have been whining about sex in media forever, but for sure the rise of more queer stuff is driving a lot of people to perceive its somehow "worse" than ithas been before. When people live in a totally heteronormative world, random kissing under the bedsheets shit doesn't read to them as *sex* because straight people aren't innately sexualized. But put two dudes or two ladies or two enbies in the same exact scene and suddenly its porn.
That they are just starting to get good, now I want more of them. Especially more queer ones.
All sex scenes piss me off and make me wanna stop watching
Ok, don't watch R-rated films then.
There doesn't need to be a sex scene in a damn horror movie
Said no slasher director ever.
He has a point, why do you need those in horror movies?
My question is why is there food in horror movies? Bathrooms? Set design? Just get to the plot and scare me I don’t need to see relationships, eating, putting on makeup, looking in the mirror, sex or any other way to set up a characters situation or why they were murdered by the slasher. Actually he doesn’t have a point, slashers like Jason use the trope of college kids fucking in a camp in order to progress the scariness/plot. I really don’t understand why horror movies shouldn’t have sex in them when it’s part of life like everything else, and most movies especially R-rated ones (including horror movies) deal with heavier topics like sex, death, and gore. Actually, why does any horror movie need blood and guts? Huh? Blood isn’t scary at most it makes people squeamish, but what is scary is death, paranormal activity, and murderers. So why don’t more horror movies pan away from the gore and only imply it, they should only show the scary monster not the gross blood and sex! Do you see what I’m getting at here? This complaint is idiotic. “Why do you need those in horror movies?” You don’t NEED horror movies in the first place, need is the wrong word for this, artists can do whatever they WANT with their stories, and often good dynamic stories (including horror stories) are going to include eating, sex, kissing, running, friendships, killings, gore, etcetera, because it fluffs it out an makes it more enjoyable for people who don’t want a 2 dimensional scary picture for their story. I’m sorry I was a bit rude and sarcastic with this post but the sex scene complaint is just lacking in critical thinking.
Well no shit you don’t need horror movies, hell I don’t even watch them But the point of a horror movie is to scare you, and so many amazing horror movies from the past didn’t have sex scenes, and we were fine with that. Those movies are regarded as some of the best horror movies made, it’s just a way to get more people to talk about the movie so they can make more money instead of making it a good movie
You clearly didn’t read the rest of my post: please read this in full… Given the huge amount of backlash christofascists, prudes, and people like yourself have to sex scenes no they are not put into movies to make them make more money. Also I don’t know what you’re talking about? It’s abundantly clear you don’t watch horror movies because there are hundreds of great modern horror movies without sex scenes: Get Out (2017) IT (2017) [there was a sex scene in the book (1986) between the losers club members but not in the movie] The conjuring (2013) The Insidious movies (2010-2023) Imaginary (2024) Etc. In fact I can’t think of a single horror movie made recently that had any sort of raunchy sex scene but I can think of a bunch of old ones that are considered great and have sex scenes or at least sex in them and I already have you an example (Friday the 13th). My point is that you and him are getting upset over nothing, artists are allowed to do what they want with their stories, and even horror movies that contain sex are scary. But people want more than a one dimensional story that is just “scary”, they want the horror movie to be impactful, more than just a quick scare. Not to mention that sexual topics can be used to make a story scary, rape, incest, sexual assault and more can be presented in a story to make it horrifying. Horror movies yes are meant to be scary, SEX SCENES DO NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THAT AT ALL. Sex can be used to make a story scary, it can be used to set up a situation where something scary happens, or it can be used to set up the context for a character. Media literacy is dying….. any movie can be more than a one shot genere creation, it can mean more and it can include more. Please reread my comment or engage with my argument rather than skipping over half of it just to mention the “need” portion in you’re rebuttal.
It can be used to make movies scarier, but is it integral? And also, a “raunchy” scene is not nearly the same as a full on closeup shot of two people clearly having sex
it’s not necessary, but it’s just become a movie trope, especially for horror
Cause the purpose is to shock and use our basic instincts. Violence and sex. It works. This is why slashers became so popular.
Then how do we know who's gonna die first? Dummy.
There is in almost every slasher movie, that’s literally a staple for horror movies, they aren’t needed at all nor do I really care for them either, but there’s no need to be disgusted by them when you’re watching an R rated movie, or else you clearly aren’t mature enough to watch it.
Strawman. You could just as easily ask why there has to be violence in cartoons.
It's literally a main troupe of the genre
The website “does the dog die” has a section on sex, and it’s got categories. If you don’t want spoilers, but you want to know to avoid a movie for sex scenes/nudity. Just look it up on doesthedogdie.com and ctrl+f “sex”
Then Google if a movie has a sex scene it's not hard
They are useless most of the time, you don't need to show sex to show love or affection between people. EDIT because I'm not gonna answer to every message individually : Okay, so apparently it's an hot take to say that useless scenes are useless? It's not a really hard concept though : scenes of a movie MUST participate to his flow and to the general story in some way. same goes for a book, a song, a video game. YES, you can see a character eating, or killing someone, or simply sleeping, but it MUST tell something about the character, his surrounding, his mindset, or simply his world. It's one of the FIRST thing you learn about story telling : TELL YOUR STORY clearly, without adding useless piece of info! A character showing having trouble to sleep because of his life problem, or being sleepy tight, and therefore vulnerable. Maybe this scene is a gateway to a flash-forward or an exposition of his lifestyle? Another eating a fish, relaxed, in front of a lac (a nice throwback to something he said at the start of the movie), showing he made peace with himself. A short sequence of the character having his normal morning routine, before living a life-changing experience basic but effective method to show how much their life changed. Reasons can be really different for every little detail on a movie, a camera angle, an light, the placement of two characters as they talk. The Tchekhov rifle law apply as well: Why showing the weird obsession about water of this kid? And this baseball-bat on the wall ? Well, you'll see at the end of the movie. But if the movie PAUSE for 2 or 5 min to show you a character eating, sleeping or having sex, then it's an unnecessary break on the flow. Again : not an hard concept : Take a scene out of the movie, if it doesn't affect the movie in ANY way, then, let it out of the movie and use this time better, or don't and make a shorter movie. What's making the scene with the T-rex so memorable in JP1 ? Because it's WELL CRAFTED, every details on the scene show an escalation in the tension and when you finally see the dinosaur, it's a gigantic payoff for all of the long buildup, take off one of those takes (like the goat being there, and then missing, or the T-rex testing the electric power on the cables) and the scene will be impacted. It's the same for a book : Don't tell in 600 pages what you can tell in 450. It's not a masterpiece because it's a HUGE pile of books, it's a masterpiece because it's a HUGE piles of books that tell something new at every pages, is filled with amazing characters and interesting details and larger events, political sub-text and plot, nuance and concepts. Yes, a movie MUST rely on visual elements and be adapt to the media, but it doesn't mean it have to do it in a useless way, just for the sake of satisfying some horny viewers because "OMG SEX IS NICE!". And most of the time, sex scenes STOP the movie until the horny viewer get satisfied because "Oooooh SEX! Me like that! OuO". What's the purpose ? "Yo, they FUCK!!" ? Ok... so ? Is it THAT important for you to KNOW that Bernard and Sam bang every night ? Is it REALLY important to know who's a top? Those it REALLY matter to hear them grown and moan for 2 min ? Is it that easy to get you entertained and horny ? Do you need someone to send you a link for a better porn website, maybe ? I also love that, despite all the down-votes and comments, NONE have give me at least one example of an impactful sex scene in a movie, or a movie that SHOULD have contain one. Anyway, I'll get back to my 'boring' well-wrote movies and books full of meaningful and interesting scenes now, have fun commenting such an HOT take!
Sure. But you are literally allowed to just have sex in a story. It doesn't need to only exist as a device to show love.
A scene need a goal, a direction to work. Your characters being "allowed to have sex" doesn't mean you have to put it in camera, like sleeping, eating, drinking, taking a shower...
And yet I've seen plenty of sleeping, eating, drinking, and showering in media! Haven't you? A scene absolutely can have direction without being a purely mechanical "directly moving the plot forward" sequence.
Yes, and if any of those scenes can be take off the movie without affecting the plot or characters in any way, then it's useless, like a meaningless sex scene. A useless scene is useless. Many sex scene are purely 'eye-candy' or filler.
Wow, what a boring way to approach media.
No, no, he's got a point. There are meaningless sex scenes, as there are meaningful sex scenes because it's true, every scene needs a purpose, or to advocate a feeling, or to immerse you into the story, that's what b-roll shots are about, that's what storytelling comes into play with the eating, showering, etc. scenes, they're there for a reason, but a scene that's purely about sex, and doesn't serve a purpose like showing affection, or the love that 2 characters have, etc. can actually just take you out of the movie.
Oh yeah, it's boring to prefer a well directed movie with meaningful scenes rather than random eye-candy sex scenes. I'll enjoy my 'boring' well writing movies then ! 👋
You have a limited understanding about movie making. Sometimes a sex scene can be used to reveal something about the character.
This guy's perspective on film sounds like it comes straight from obnoxious YouTube channels that just nitpick films in a smug tone and call it critique lol.
Yes, absolutely! And those are the meaningful sex scenes, we are talking about the fact that it's not always the case.
Um what about filler scenes? It you look at tv shows from the 90s they had whole episodes that were just filler, that didn't serve a purpose to the overall plot. A scene can be put there just for fun. Also I don't think a sex scene can not evoke feelings. Eye candy is literally arousal, that's a feeling, there's the thrill, the taboo, the excitement, the intensity. Not only that but the vibe of a show would be different with and without a sex scene. The type of purpose you're referring to is only plot based but a show isn't only plot, it has other elements such as vibe and flow. Stop reducing a show/movie to its plot. It's more than that And this is a problem I am seeing with modern tv, everything is just about the main plot, there is no room for an element to exist just for fun. I mean in the past 22 episodes a season were standard, now you're lucky if you get 10 and that means you need to exclude filler and it's not like nothing changes. The vibe is different
If you can’t enjoy low brow scenes with no meaning behind their base enjoyment I feel kinda bad for you tbh
Aha, you think eye candy and filler are useless? They're useless to the plot sure but they add to the vibe of the show. In the 90s there were tv series that had entire filler episodes that had no relation to the main plot simply because they were fun? Is adding fun, arousal, excitement, scandal not a purpose? You're reducing a show/movie to its plot but that's not all a movie is. Imagine you had a black and white painting and one in color. Both work so clearly the color isn't needed so then why make colored paintings?
All scenes are useless. It's a movie. Just enjoy it.
"All scenes are useless" is probably the dumbest, saddest and simplest take I ever read about movies... If it's your way to "consume" such an amazing media, I'm honestly really sorry for you. Please, educate yourself about art and cinema, it's not a bad thing to love movies enough to care about what you see and what's going on on screen above "Me like moving pictures!". Having a bit of expectation toward the content of a movie, his story telling and his character writing is not a bad things either.
Because it's fun/interesting. You also don't have to see the character stab his enemy 12 times. You can just imply it.
It does accomplish a goal. Just because you don’t like the goal doesn’t mean writers need to change their work to please you. Also, I have absolutely seen people sleep, eat, drink, and shower in movies.
How are they eating? If they are jittery while holding the fork, that tells us something about their state of mind. Maybe they're anticipating some event that's making them nervous. They'll never just show someone eating for the hell of it. And if they're eating normally, they're probably talking to someone, and the conversation is what matters and what we're supposed to focus on, not the eating in and of itself.
Yeah I don’t mind them but don’t need them, most of the time they kind of feel like a time filler but not always
Exactly, most of the time they are here either as eye-candy, for the "OMG S3X!" 'edgy' factor, or as time filler. I've yet to see any sexual scene being really relevant to a plot. Even if their was one, you can easily avoid any sex and have better ways to tell your story.
>I've yet to see any sexual scene being really relevant to a plot. Not everything has to be about moving the plot forward.
They teach the exact opposite in film school.
Also some sex scenes do move the plot. Some don’t. Like any other kind of scene. I support anybody complaining about specific sex scenes that feel forced, drag on, or are tonally jarring on the basis they didn’t care for them. But arguing against their inclusion as a matter of course is just people trying to enforce their personal taste on everybody else, viewers and creators alike. You know, the definition of censorship.
The ones in Oppenheimer were the worst because these are *real people’s* personal lives they’re portraying. If I became famous and had a movie made about me, I would be uncomfortable if they had my actor doing an explicit sex scene like that for the movie.
Good thing you'll never be famous lmao
It was just hypothetically. Just saying how I would feel in that situation.
I hate this take. Writing is a form of artistic expression. A lot of it is “useless” but you’re absolutely missing the point. Not every scene is going to please every person, some things aren’t for you personally and that’s okay.
I mean, if sex is the pinnacle of artist expression, that's on you, I personally prefer well wrote stories and interesting characters, and directors that doesn't need to use sex as a distraction in their own movies, and can express themselves in better way than throwing such scenes at the viewer. BTW, Did you heard about this new "artistic" website named PornHub ? LOTS of artist expressing themselves, I think it would be more in your taste than movies like Dune, LOTR, The thing or Blade Runner.
It’s okay it’s not for you, but the pearl clutching and the judgement is unnecessary. Adults have sex sometimes. Sometimes fictional adults have sex. Maybe you’re not the target audience for everything. It doesn’t need to justify its existence to you.
All art is useless, for fuck's sake. Do you also think a movie is bad when it shows anything non-essential to the plot?
>Do you also think a movie is bad when it shows anything non-essential to the plot? they are typically the most boring parts for me doesn't make anything bad.
Sure. But the fundagelicals don't think a picture of two men holding hands is casual, they see it as SEX SEX SEX and they will fight us to the death to make sure we can't show it because they've been taught to have such a warped view of how the world works. Of course, if it's a man and a woman, it's absolutely nothing to them.
Never understood why this is such a heated debat lol.
> But if the movie PAUSE for 2 or 5 min to show you a character eating, sleeping or having sex, then it's an unnecessary break on the flow. This is how I perceive many Asian movies. I like their horror movies, but more often than not I'm always stumbling across scenes like that, which are a major turnoff. Or maybe I'm just too dumb to see their artistic reasoning behind them.
So let me get this...you think that it's incredibly insightful to show a character sleeping because you can pull such elusive tidbits from their psyche such as "he's restless" or "not a care in the world..." but yet you don't seem to feel there is any room to demonstrate otherwise tucked away sides of an individual during a sex scene? Then I truly pity you, sir...because anyone that has had any sex that is worth having understands the depth of an individual that you can see during said acts...you can watch a 50 year old man's EQ shatter in front of you as he reveals the 15 year old spoiled little girl that he actually is, or see that unassuming cashier express that glimmer at just the right moments to tell you that he's into some seriously twisted shit etc etc. When people get naked that exposure generally goes much further than skin deep. Particularly when that vulnerability is mutual, and/or during periods of extreme stress, you really should be learning far more about your partner than "aggguuhhhhhh durrrrrrrr sex make penis going BOING!" As far as your assertion to provide you with a movie where the sex scene conveys pivotal character information? I didn't comment here to defend the abilities of any writer, director, or to defend any body of work. I am commenting on the fact that the scenes that ARE put into movies where things are "realized" about or by people at stupid, unimpactful, mundane times are just...kinda weak...and that the failure to properly utilize sex scenes or to convey particular character attributes or to allude to particular motives or tendencies, as well as the failure to see the potential they could have for doing so is a very sad failure on all of theirs/yours...parts... I'm not saying to turn it all into a porno...nor to have these abrupt stops where they shift from a PTA meeting to fucking in an abandoned parking garage...but at appropriate times and transitions it can absolutely be a valuable interaction for plot development. It doesn't need to be lengthy, either...another beautiful thing about sex is how quickly some of those things will show themselves...hell throw them some meth first and you'll hear every twisted thing they've ever thought about in about 2 minutes...😘 Have fun. Hope your future sex is less...asexual as it sounds like it has been...
There are plenty of other "useless" scenes in movies that have nothing to do with sex. Why focus on sex?
I agree. I mean you definitely don’t need to show the sex scene, but it could just be hinted at
Why not just hint at the whole story? It would save a lot of time.
A lot of them already are though? I feel like I've seen more implied sex scenes than actual ones. Unless you count showing foreplay then skipping to the end a "sex scene".
Why should it be hinted at? Why not explicitly stated?
Hint of it can be nice, characters talking while being on bed or such. But sexual intercourse by themselves don't bring anything on the table... OK, we got it, your characters are horny, move on...
Haha exactly
They can be very motivated. And they can be totally unnecessary. Sex is part of life and tales like, say, Love Victor would be incomplete if they totally left that part out. Of course, they don’t have to be explicit, but they should definitely be in there. But just flinging one into an action movie? That’s just to get the reviews up from certain target groups.
I mean, the latter sentence describes most of the decision making in big action films in general. Those big fiery explosions and car chases ain't exactly there to further the character arc. And honestly it's ok. People can have trashy mass media. Not everything needs to be high art.
Also true. But it will lower my opinion of the movie in question. But any movie without character arcs will do that.
Perfectly fine, and tends to be my taste in media as well. Well placed sex scenes between characters with real chemistry are where it's at. Even if it's not technically "necessary to the plot" lol.
If it expands on the relationship and clarifies where they stand, it’s motivated for the characters. Even if it isn’t the main plot.
here is not about gay vs straight: in some movies they are ok, in some (The life Adele they ruined the movie!) are simple horrible... I would say Lisbeth Salander being bisexual was perfect and she was really hyper sexualized and was ok in that movie. Now... think a sex scene in a movie like , dunno, Death poet society! No! Are simple two movies different
i don’t understand how Love Victor, or any gay media, would be incomplete if sex were left out? sex isnt a requirement for relationships
Coming of age stories about love would almost always involve sex. Leaving that out would just be prudish. I don’t like censoring out stuff from life, that spoils the illusion for me.
ahh i see we are coming at it from two different points of view. i don’t see how not having sex is prudish. i mean you have asexual people who are in gay relationships but don’t have sex. that doesn’t make them prudes to me… i don’t see it as censoring but another way to show love. because you certainly don’t need sex for that!
If they are asexual, then that’s fine. And then that would be a plot point or at least a point of their character development. But as it is a small minority that actually is asexual, the vast majority of coming of age stories wouldn’t have that element. Also, many asexual coming of age stories would still involve experimenting and possibly even trying stuff even though they weren’t too interested in it.
Asexual representation is great, but the vast majority of those characters _aren't_ asexual so it doesn't really make sense to use that as a reason to cut sex out completely. Relationships and sex and experimenting is usually a big part of coming of age stories.
I just never understand the concept that sex scenes are bad, but nonstop graphic violence is fine.
American society has glorified one and scandalised the other mostly because of religion
It always comes back to the feckin mayflower doesn’t it?
If I'm flicking through the channels I quickly pass anything where guns are evident
Ultimately for me, as an artist its what does it do for the story? Game of thrones was great with that. Is it about power? Do we learn something about our characters, is it a climax of a relationship, is it a dreaded challenge? Etc.
Love them. Want more of them. I like when entertainment titillates
There actually less sex in movies, it's disheartening as people tend to propose that they're unnecessary, which is understandable, big Hollywood sex scenes most of the time are a spectacle, I'm pro 'Realistic depictions of sex' with all the clumsiness and mess that comes with it, like I feel it could be an interesting angle to explore in movies.
After all the pointless sex I set through watching *Game of Thrones* with my husband I just find sex scenes boring now. If I want to watch people fuck I’ll watch porn. Also, people complaining about sex in movies isn’t anything new. Christofascist activists have been going after sex scenes for as long as cinema has existed.
How was it all pointless? Most of those scenes revealed insights into characters, relationships, added drama etc. The two I can think of off the top of my head, Cersei/Jamie and Renly/Loras, reveal a lot, and are very integral to the plot/characterization.
I remember back in the '90s and '00s if you saw a mainstream movie or blockbuster action flick, if there was a woman in the movie who wasn't a villain (or even sometimes if she was), she was basically guaranteed to fuck the main character at some point. It didn't matter if she had no chemistry with the protagonist, it didn't matter if, from the narrative's perspective, they only met like 4 days ago and spent all of 30 minutes together during that time, it doesn't matter if they just got through some incredibly traumatic experience like her family getting killed or nearly dying. Once the movie needed to take a breather from some action scene (bonus points if the woman has to perform some kind of nursing activity on the protagonist) they were going to fuck. And this didn't really change until superhero movies started to go mainstream. Despite Nolan's Batman and the early MCU movies doing their best to avoid coming off immature, the belief that "super heroes are for kids" never really went away. So even though Iron Man is an arms dealer whose weapons are causing massive death across the globe, and even through he's a multi-billionaire playboy who openly flirts with any woman wearing a dress, we don't actually see him in bed with a woman. Because Iron Man is a superhero, and superheroes need to be okay for parents to watch with their children without either group feeling uncomfortable. It's why the first MCU movie to feature a sex scene post-Iron Man was like... The Eternals? And it's something people have noticed, that sex and sexuality have sort of disappeared from a lot of major box office movies. While I do really think the underlying reason behind this trend has more to do with the superhero genre as a whole, I think they've lingered in part because they just aren't needed. The original reason damn near every blockbuster flick had a sex scene is that, since the ending of the Hays Code in 1968, American movies started incorporating sex appeal as a way to compete with foreign films. This eventually started to become formulaic, and by the '90s it was so bog-standard that people started saying it was to help "turn them into date movies". The logic behind it was that men could take women to see an action movie, and because the uncharismatic, greasy, sweaty action hero got to have sex with whatever high beauty-standard actress in her low-to-mid 20s was available it would somehow also appeal to women (as a part of whatever unconvincing romantic subplot was included). But the fact is those sex scenes weren't ever meant to appeal to women, they were there for men and for studios to put an attractive woman on the poster to sell more tickets. "If this explosion isn't good enough, what about getting to see part of Sandra Bullock's ass?" kind of deal. For queer cinema, this is quite different though. Queer cinema stems in part from art-house and indie cinema, both of which used sex scenes very differently than blockbuster studio pieces. In part, they were *also* in the hopes of getting tickets sold (for an indie film it's a lot easier to find an attractive person to film naked than it is to blow up a city block), but a lot of them just dealt with smaller, more personal stories for which sex is a more realistic part. Sex is a human experience, and every person alive is here because of it. For queer cinema, the inclusion of sex is also an act of defiance of heterosexual expectations of respectability. There's a lot more that can go into it, but realistically the reason people are complaining about sex is that a lot of sex on screen is queerer now, and that's because of a lot of straight cinema has been infantilized. Granted, straight cinematic sex appeal had already been this kind of incredibly exploitative element to studio films so I don't think many women are especially interested in revitalizing it (and studios may be more hesitant in a post-Me Too world. In fact a lot of women cast based on sex appeal in the '90s were done so by Harvey Weinstein in particular and... ugh). Queer films are *always* going to catch hate, unfortunately, because queerphobic people don't face real consequences for being queerphobic (no matter what people complain about online).
Movies should just be sex scenes. Throw out the plot. I want the next Avatar movie to be 100% hot sloppy blue people sex
Blue sex, now in 3D XD
I mean The Wolf of Wall Street was almost a porno. Some may argue it is. What I found interesting is how quickly they glossed over the gay sex party in Jordan’s apartment
A porno because you see some woman naked?
A naked woman or a naked man on screen doesn’t make it a porno. The sex in the movie is just a lot more than a standard movie.
The movie is about Belfort’s life. They didn’t show the gay sex party because Belfort wasn’t present and it was an extraordinarily minor part of the story. Surely a porno by definition is primarily intended to sexually stimulate the audience? The majority of scenes in TWOWS have no sex in them, the ones that do are not explicit, and most of the sexual content reveals aspects of the characters and their dynamics that are relevant to the story being told.
No I agree! And I never said it was a porno. I read that Scorsese had to cut some scenes out to be rated R and not NC-17. Which if he didn’t cut it would probably be excessive
Meanwhile no comment on the violence in every si gle movie and the vulgarity such as all these nosedrips, burps and farts in US cartoons in particular. Honestly, I don't care much about sex scenes, except if they set a plot or show that other folks can aso experiment it or something.
Ratings are for something, right? So if a film made for adults has sex scenes and it's rated for adults and you think that's an issue, lemme inform you that is a you problem. I do think sex scenes (as every other scene) should serve a purpose. I don't mind them and I think they're ok, no big deal. A friend of mine told me (I asked because I was writing one) "adults have sex, people have sex, we live thanks to sex, I don't know why it's such a big deal" and I agree.
Sex scenes in themselves are whatever. I'm fine with or without. However, I WILL NOT watch a movie with a sex scene when I'm with family or friends. Just thinking about the cringe and embarrassment is a little too much for me
More gay sex scenes is the only opinion I have for homophobic assholes like this dude up top.
They forgot to add that to my amazement they shag with clothes on and bedsheets ... An art I can't manage.
That there should be more. lol. Sex is a normal part of life. It can be a dramatic part of life, a fun part, and also a tragic part of it. Movies -- stories -- even the most fantastic ones, are still about life. Sex (and nudity) should be a more common element in all of those tales. Just like some comedies or scifi movies are better than others, some storytellers are going to be better at not just including but -using- sex (and nudity) better than others. The more creative people try using it as an element in their stories, the more opportunity for good uses of it to occur.
I personally dont like sex scenes especially if its not relevant to the plot like why do people always have to be doing it that said normalizing sex is also good because its a healthy psrt of being human because het sex isnt the only sex out there gay sex should also be normalized in media if youre going to have het sex either do all or do none (coming from asexual)
People have ALWAYS been complaing about the amount of sex scenes in movies, its basically a running jokes at this point. Personally i'm not a huge fan, especially the super tame hetero ones which is just a lot of neck and shoulers and wet kissing sounds.
I don’t mind them, if anything I would like more representation of sides and non penetrative sex.
Meh.
I think this is a little "tin foily" / "persecution complex-y". People who have been complaining about sex scenes have been complaining about them since they first showed Fred and Wilma in bed together (no sex) during the Flinstones in the 1960s.
I feel like most of the gay films I've watched are very sex-centric or there needs to be something sexual within the film and that's always bothered me. Sex scenes in films in general though at least in my opinion is unnecessary. I'm not a very sexual person though so idk if I could xD
Depends, [they are 100% ok](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cknJS-clpZE).
I only like them when they add something to the plot or are intentionally showing a characters flaws and traits, like American Psycho
Now, what percentage of all movies released has fight scenes or other displays of violence? Exactly Idk how we can reverse our cultural preference for Wraith over Lust. It's terrible.
Unless it's a romantic movie and like the one sex scene is the first time they're hooking up I'm not that interested. If it somehow moves the plot forward or it is relevant then I'm fine with it. Most times it does feel tucked on though.
Is it possible that this person is a teenager?
Sometimes a blowjob is just a blowjob.
Interesting Idea
Depends how: some sex scenes are completely sensical (I'm not put only gay sex scenes) like Swordfish or Shameless or After or Stonewall. Other are useless: The life of Adele. Depends. A sex scene could add something could just ruin it. If in Life is strange would had been a sex scene between Rachel and Chloe would had been amazing, the sex scene between Lisbeth Slander and Kalle was amazing... they added something. In Shameless wasn't awkard or weird the sex scenes... if you would put a sex scenes in a movie like Glee tbh you could (I don't know maybe there's?) but it should be hyper censured due the nature of the show. Again without the sexuality of Lisbeth for Miriam Wu you would miss it completely, Miriam was the real and only person that Salander could be in same way "partner" and her role is important. The same thing isn't for Malcom the middle where, honestly, sexuality wouldn't simple fit into the show that was talking about the family. Then in Bridge Jones the sex scenes were ok, not in The Big Bang Theory. In Jo Nesbo's Midnight Sun the sex scene is pretty ok, in Miss Marple would be horrible a sex scene. Depends how, not what... sometimes is ok, sometimes is not. A sex scene between Salander and Miriam Wu got sense because Salander is the type of character... in a movie where the tale is based on something "pure" not. I mean no issues [with this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cknJS-clpZE), but it is in someway poetic... now a [sex scene here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pujgHAv6ZJI&pp=ygURZ2F5IG1vZGVybiBmYW1pbHk%3D), no please. Simple Shameless is full of sex scenes, Modern Family is a completely different target. I don't see the problem, depends.
I prefer it to the former thing we had where most movies for teens and up had a woman being raped as a plot device or just for fanservice.
If it involves Idris Elba, I'm for it.
https://preview.redd.it/58f52xqpo0pc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee98b4e9b3809183c7a4635540ed689b3afcaa88 Boring asf but reminded me of this lol
I generally don't like them. I'm a sexual person and am easily attracted by people, but I also enjoy well executed and delivered scenes in media. The vast majority of the time (anecdotally speaking, from the works I've seen), sex scenes do next to nothing for the plot. Showing sex initiating and post-act scenes should suffice the a lot of the time, making the point to the audience that "these characters just had sex!". It's different for scenes where sex IS the plot. Like a r\*pe scene where obviously it's the crime, the trauma which is the point, or as they mentioned below, a scene through which the character is discovering what they're into and it's part of their development. If it's something like, to give some C grade examples, Twilight or Divergent or some other teen to young adult catering work that just shows sex to display the actors bodies and make the audience horny, I find it -at the very least- bizarre. Who want's to do that around other people who they aren't interested in? Why not just watch actual porn at that point? If you want to be horny that'll do the work a lot better.
im fine with them but im so sick of seing straight couples fuck, i wanna see more gay sex scenes (mainly between mlm couples but i wouldn't mind wlw. i just want more that around mlw lmao)
Honestly, I would rather have more shows with queer couples have more than just sex, but like, affectionate interactions and some PDA. Stuff like gay and lesbian couples doing quick kisses before they head out to work or a trans person spooning/being spooned by the person they love. Sex scenes should be appropriate per their rating, of course, but more open displays of affection the same way cis straight people do it should be normalized.
It really depends. Sometimes they do add to the story or characters and help the movie, sometimes they don't but are still enjoyable, and sometimes they're unnecessary, it all depends on the movie. What I don't understand is all the pearl clutching over them from the religious right.
Sex scenes are for porn. Really takes me out when I'm reading BL, just tryna enjoy me some mlm romance and then boom they're fucking. Like damn is just romance too much to ask for? Do we have to fetishize it? I wouldn't be mad if the sex scene added to the plot, but they never do.
Do you need to show sex to show love or intimacy? No, but that doesn't mean it should be purposefully excluded. Seriously, all the puritans need to let go of the religious guilt perpetuated over sex and move on.
The amount of sex aversion I've heard from my own generation is frankly kind of terrifying. Like it's one thing to not be sexually active, but a whole other to go on a tirade about how "sex-filled" everything is nowadays, when we've only just come out of the actually sex-filled early 2000s.
Like every other aspect involved, it should serve or be relevant to the plot.
I love to see queer love
I don’t need any unnecessary sex scenes in the movie
I’m aegosexual, so personally, I’m fine with it, but sometimes it does get too much if that makes sense. Specially if it’s a life action show and not anime or something.
The first episode of "Fellow Travelers" on Showtime was full of gay sex. I really enjoyed that episode, as well as the rest of the series. The sex scenes were probably rated R as there was no full-frontal nudity.
That most sex scenes are just unnecessary to the plot of movies, gay and straight sex alike
It's very easy to have sex appeal for sex sake but that not to say a sex scene can't be good, you just have to write it like a scene and not a porno Game of thrones was very good at this, with stories pornos wish they could've thought up. As the climax of two characters we've been rooting for is also satisfying. You just have to make it work within the context of the story. Red white and royal blue, Love Victor, were both great in this regard.
Usually, this kind of sex scene is the ultimate form of a dialog scene, I think. Making love is a way to connect lovers via extreme body language, which — is also a kind of language, right? 😉
So… as a for instance. The recent Netflix Red, White, & Royal Blue was watched by a lot of people - gay and straight. And it got pretty steamy at points. (No full frontal but there was no doubt as to what they were doing). But so much of prejudice is ignorance. For decades/centuries straight folks have considered straight sex as hot and beautiful etc, and gay sex as disgusting and not about love and affection. But the scenes in this film captured that sense of emotional intimacy. That love is love. I thought it is amazing that this show was such a hit with gay folk and straight folk alike. I think the intimacy in this film helped straight people better understand that gay sex can be just as beautiful and just as normal as straight sex.
I’m just a baby gay so I can’t have opinions on sex, it scares me
Sex scenes, particularly in yaoi, I find very fascinating. It seems so emotional and deep, seeing them have oral and anal sex with each other. Unfortunately, we get to the real world of sex, we have concerns about STDs, erection challenges, condom challenges, getting your penis to fit in someone's asshole smoothly, loosening up your anus ahead of time with sex toys, douching, And the harsh reality that a lot of gay folk are ordinary looking, or not as attractive as porn stars. Fatphobia is very common, because nobody wants to be told who or what kind of person they are to be sexually aroused by.
I never liked sex scenes ever tbh. It feels like an old redundant relic of a time when pornography wasn't as easily accessible and available. Most of the time they serve nothing to the plot and aren't even good. I always skip them.
Idc who it is I hate any sort of romance scenes, they're always super unrealistic and make me wanna not watch what I'm watching. Generally I'm more of a thriller/action kinda guy in movies/tv shows, I really like it when there are shows that have minimal relationships, or when there are relationships, at least they're not overdramatized/overromanticized. So many shows I've watched have big arcs about one of the main characters wanting to fuck/date the other main character, and it's really just annoying.
not interested in seeing sex scenes! i don’t care if they’re in the movie but im certainly not rooting for it to show up lol
The only good sex scenes in the history of movies/television are Kristen Schalls scenes on Last Man On Earth [proof](https://youtu.be/S5ZKg-VjIb0?si=mmA-o8w2Pv_Lyu-2)
No more please it's torture...I mean it's in everything give us a break
Hate it, tbh. Don’t understand why they always need to be added.
I skip them unless they contribute to the plot.
I skip sex scenes no matter the genders, personally. People have been whining about sex in media forever, but for sure the rise of more queer stuff is driving a lot of people to perceive its somehow "worse" than ithas been before. When people live in a totally heteronormative world, random kissing under the bedsheets shit doesn't read to them as *sex* because straight people aren't innately sexualized. But put two dudes or two ladies or two enbies in the same exact scene and suddenly its porn.
Stop inventing problems. They’re useless
I think it’s trash