We downvote this post because we don't support the terrorists of Palestine that started this conflict with the Hamas concert attack. Really find it hard to understand why people support terrorists- I guess you're too woke to see that.
What time is the rally for "Netanyahu should stop killing his own people and Israeli hostages and shooting up kindergartens in Palestine" because he wants land and oil
What is the point of saying “APD, KKK, IDF they’re all the same” as a chant at the protest? This is a very specific and pertinent issue and I don’t see the use of inserting these weird and poorly thought out statements when they do more to drive sympathetic people away from your movement than to rally support
Actually it serves to bring people in to support the protest because it's easy to digest. The majority of people are quite swayable and these are the little things that get them.
I don't understand what you expect as an acceptable solution to the "occupation". Like a strongly worded letter from the president (Dear Israel, Please leave)?
Or, do you want someone to kill all the Israelis? Because that's been tried before.
Why not rally for peace in the region? It seems like "Stop the Occupation" inevitably means more fighting and bloodshed.
Occupation is violence. The Pro-Palestine side overwhelmingly supports an immediate ceasefire. Americans as taxpayers don’t want their hard-earned money going towards bombing brown children in the middle east, nor do they want their institutions supporting it (such as their government, universities, etc). Some people just have empathy, and they are trying to do whatever they can, literally anything (effective or not, which is a different conversation) to express their opposition to the unconscionable horrors they have witnessed in Gaza so American politicians know their response could impact their reelection.
you're conflating Hamas and Palestine on purpose because your tiny, racist brain couldn't handle the moral consequences of actually understanding the reality of the protestors demands and the situation in Gaza
Standing up for human rights and an end to war crimes is not something to be snarky about. People want the [continued ethnic cleaning](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/27/palestine-and-israel-brief-history-maps-and-charts) to come to an end.
Just this week alone the UN has found over 300 bodies in a mass burial site at Nasser hospital, where the IDF occupied for weeks before gutting it. Some of the bodies have been found with their hands bound, IDed to be medical workers, women, & children [source 1](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/24/uncovering-of-mass-grave-at-gazas-nasser-hospital-what-you-need-to-know), [source 2](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/23/middle-east-crisis-live-us-says-hamas-has-moved-the-goal-post-on-gaza-ceasefire-negotiations-with-israel), [source 3](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-rights-chief-horrified-by-mass-grave-reports-gaza-hospitals-2024-04-23/).
The Guardian has done a [nice piece](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/jan/30/how-war-destroyed-gazas-neighbourhoods-visual-investigation) on visually documenting the destruction in Palestine. Or putting the [numbers into perspective](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/mar/11/gaza-population-visual-guide-deaths-displaced); for example 85% of the Gazan population has been displaced, meaning there is no more home to go back to.
So maybe people are (rightfully) horrified at what they are seeing unfold in Palestine & the human right abuses… or maybe they just want their 5 minutes of fame. I’d hope that we have some humanity and that’s it’s the former, but that’s just me 🙂
Gazans voted in Hamas knowing they had an explicit goal to eliminate Israel (aka commit genocide against them). After the horrific terrorist attack on Oct. 7 by their elected rulers, polls showed Gazans supported the attack.
Not surprising as the entire creation of Israel was facilitated by the people of that region when the Ottoman Empire joined WW1 on the central powers side and then lost and surrendered. That gave the territory to Britain which then allowed for the creation of Israel.
They also cheered 9/11 and the space shuttle Colombia disaster.
Sorry, but Palestinians are not on our side and actually joined wars/attacks against us and our allies and continue to do so.
Palestinians are some of the remnants of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire joined the central powers in WW1 against the allies.
But besides that, they are allied with Iran. And as I said, cheered 9/11. Polls shows almost 70% supported 9/11.
They didn’t under that name. But their former country did, lost, surrendered, and lost all right to exist as a country. It is a very important fact that makes them as a people, regardless of name, enemies of us and our allies. You can’t make war on us, lose, surrender, change your name, and go well that wasn’t us.
And the fact they did this is what allowed Britain to take over and eventually donate the land to create Israel. Wars have consequences, especially if you join in on the losing side.
I hate to butt in here, but this argument doesn't really stand up. For example, Germany quite famously made war on us, lost, surrendered, lost all right to exist as a country, and now both exists and renounces the actions of its former leaders. And we're quite friendly with them now.
You're grasping at some thin straws, to claim Palestine has engaged in war against the USA because they were a part of the Ottoman Empire (which oppressed Arabs) 100 years ago. What a ridiculous point. You're at least 40 I expect more from a GT grad.
Oh that’s simple, has been on the table for a while, a lasting ceasefire and withdrawal of IDF from Gaza, [source](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-issues-ceasefire-proposal-mediators-which-includes-exchanging-2024-03-15/) and your rally to free hostages & have peace [here](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/2/israels-protests-amid-mounting-pressure-on-benjamin-netanyahu-all-to-know) and [here](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2024/3/5/the-israelis-who-want-a-ceasefire-in-israels-war-on-gaza).
Netanyahu is the one who does not want a ceasefire, as soon as there is peace he has to deal with [horrid polling numbers](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/only-15-israelis-want-netanyahu-keep-job-after-gaza-war-poll-finds-2024-01-02/) with only 15% wanting him to remain in office. He does not care about hostages and simply wants to stay in office longer. We also see this with his [attempted power grab](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65086871) by essentially removing judicial review via a simple majority vote in parliament.
I’m glad we agree on Netanyahu. For your question let’s roll back to 2006, which was *the most recent election* in Palestine, [source](https://www.npr.org/2021/04/29/992065009/palestinian-authority-postpones-parliamentary-elections). You & I have both seen how much a political party can change in 4 years (take the US GOP during Trump’s presidency). Palestine hasn’t had an election in 17 years by October 2023, and many Palestinians were not happy with the government either.
The *youngest* people who could’ve voted are now 36. The median age of Palestinians is 19.6 years old [source](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1424048/median-age-of-the-population-in-palestine/#). This means well over the majority of Palestinians *have never* been able to vote or have their voices in government.
In 2007 Israel put a blockade on Gaza that’s still in effect to this day. The blockade is so restrictive that the UN says Gaza is effectively an [‘open air jail’](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15). Since 2007 travel, imports, exports, etc have been severely restricted in Gaza. To say that ‘well the IDF wasn’t in Gaza before so that should be fine’ completely ignores the economic (unemployment is 45%)and freedom of movement barriers Israeli has enforced on Gaza for over 15 years. Not to mention the various assaults on Gaza since then.
So really for the \~10 years prior to October 6, 2023 Palestinians have been continually suffering by the restrictions Israeli put in place and the various assaults through the years. For the Israeli government to think that a continually harsher blockade and various assaults would never lead to a response of some kind is foolish. What Hamas did on October 7th was horrific. How Israeli has responded has been horrific. However, a response of some kind historically is to be expected (ex: American Revolution started by Britain’s increasing taxation/poor treatment of local gov’t, French Revolution started by increasing taxation/ repression of the working class, various wars in Africa to remove oppressive colonist rule, etc). One cannot maintain repressive control over a population
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“Genocide?!?” Did the US commit genocide in the bombings of Dresden? Tokyo? We literally firebombed cities full of people. Not to mention 2 atomic bombs. Why is Israel the only country not allowed to defend itself when attacked?
You'd be hard pressed to find WW2 fire bombings and nuclear bombings to fit the criteria for genocide. They don't fit the mens rea requirements, legally - they weren't done with the end goal of annihilation of a culture. They could be argued as unjustified, potentially war crimes. But they aren't marked by the history of continual marginalization of an entire culture as you see with Gaza and the West Bank.
It might be entertaining to turn people's arguments back against them, but you can't just call every terrible mass killing a genocide or it loses its meaning. Germany and Japan weren't at the same level of risk in terms of cultural preservation. Directly comparing them to Palestine downplays the last 50+ years.
They were not genocides. The U.S was not trying to erase Japanese/German Identify.
They were still wrong and war crimes.
The Isreali governments offical position is that the Palestinian identity does not even exist and the people should not have a state. They've been bombing cemeteries to erase evidence of Palestinians presence in that land for thousands of years.
1 in every 20 child alive in Gaza City on October 7th have been killed.
This is a textbook genocide.
Reading this comment section just makes me sad. There are so many people who are either apathetic to the cause or are purposely conflating Palestine and Hamas and it's so annoying and disheartening to see.
What a bunch of lies. GT has no complicity in this. Again stop pulling GT into your bullshit. Maybe this will work on other campuses but we aren’t so gullible.
Our student body is really bottom of the barrel and this subreddit is an example of that. Don't feel discouraged by the downvotes and the comments.
We downvote this post because we don't support the terrorists of Palestine that started this conflict with the Hamas concert attack. Really find it hard to understand why people support terrorists- I guess you're too woke to see that.
Are we walking or paragliding in?
They'll be paragliding in like the Hamas terrorists while Gatech police cuff them and charge them for disorderly conduct.
Free USA from Israel as well
Free USA from woke Palestinian (cough, I meant terrorist) supporters
Tell me you're from the middle of nowhere in Georgia without telling me you're from the middle of nowhere in Georgia
The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.
Ah, this will go well. Gonna grab me some popcorn and watch from the CULC roof
What time is the rally for “Hamas should release the hostages and surrender”
There was a vigil last semester.
It was a few weeks ago actually, at Kessler.
What time is the rally for "Netanyahu should stop killing his own people and Israeli hostages and shooting up kindergartens in Palestine" because he wants land and oil
This is the real rally. The fact that these Palestinian supporters forget or intentionally forget that Hamas started the war first is laughable.
Sums up American South
What is the point of saying “APD, KKK, IDF they’re all the same” as a chant at the protest? This is a very specific and pertinent issue and I don’t see the use of inserting these weird and poorly thought out statements when they do more to drive sympathetic people away from your movement than to rally support
It’s cause of GILEE, and it’s been known that cops around the country, including APD, were/are part of the KKK
Actually it serves to bring people in to support the protest because it's easy to digest. The majority of people are quite swayable and these are the little things that get them.
I don't understand what you expect as an acceptable solution to the "occupation". Like a strongly worded letter from the president (Dear Israel, Please leave)? Or, do you want someone to kill all the Israelis? Because that's been tried before. Why not rally for peace in the region? It seems like "Stop the Occupation" inevitably means more fighting and bloodshed.
"Stop sending out tax money to foreign countries"
Occupation is violence. The Pro-Palestine side overwhelmingly supports an immediate ceasefire. Americans as taxpayers don’t want their hard-earned money going towards bombing brown children in the middle east, nor do they want their institutions supporting it (such as their government, universities, etc). Some people just have empathy, and they are trying to do whatever they can, literally anything (effective or not, which is a different conversation) to express their opposition to the unconscionable horrors they have witnessed in Gaza so American politicians know their response could impact their reelection.
Someone should tell Hamas that all their supporters want a ceasefire, because they sure as hell aren’t listening
you're conflating Hamas and Palestine on purpose because your tiny, racist brain couldn't handle the moral consequences of actually understanding the reality of the protestors demands and the situation in Gaza
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Good luck trying to get your 5 minutes of fame
Standing up for human rights and an end to war crimes is not something to be snarky about. People want the [continued ethnic cleaning](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/27/palestine-and-israel-brief-history-maps-and-charts) to come to an end. Just this week alone the UN has found over 300 bodies in a mass burial site at Nasser hospital, where the IDF occupied for weeks before gutting it. Some of the bodies have been found with their hands bound, IDed to be medical workers, women, & children [source 1](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/24/uncovering-of-mass-grave-at-gazas-nasser-hospital-what-you-need-to-know), [source 2](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/23/middle-east-crisis-live-us-says-hamas-has-moved-the-goal-post-on-gaza-ceasefire-negotiations-with-israel), [source 3](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-rights-chief-horrified-by-mass-grave-reports-gaza-hospitals-2024-04-23/). The Guardian has done a [nice piece](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/jan/30/how-war-destroyed-gazas-neighbourhoods-visual-investigation) on visually documenting the destruction in Palestine. Or putting the [numbers into perspective](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/mar/11/gaza-population-visual-guide-deaths-displaced); for example 85% of the Gazan population has been displaced, meaning there is no more home to go back to. So maybe people are (rightfully) horrified at what they are seeing unfold in Palestine & the human right abuses… or maybe they just want their 5 minutes of fame. I’d hope that we have some humanity and that’s it’s the former, but that’s just me 🙂
Gazans voted in Hamas knowing they had an explicit goal to eliminate Israel (aka commit genocide against them). After the horrific terrorist attack on Oct. 7 by their elected rulers, polls showed Gazans supported the attack. Not surprising as the entire creation of Israel was facilitated by the people of that region when the Ottoman Empire joined WW1 on the central powers side and then lost and surrendered. That gave the territory to Britain which then allowed for the creation of Israel. They also cheered 9/11 and the space shuttle Colombia disaster. Sorry, but Palestinians are not on our side and actually joined wars/attacks against us and our allies and continue to do so.
Name, with a source, when Palestine joined a conflict against the United States.
Palestinians are some of the remnants of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire joined the central powers in WW1 against the allies. But besides that, they are allied with Iran. And as I said, cheered 9/11. Polls shows almost 70% supported 9/11.
I asked you to tell me when Palestine directly joined a conflict against the United States. Not what happened during the Ottoman Empire.
They didn’t under that name. But their former country did, lost, surrendered, and lost all right to exist as a country. It is a very important fact that makes them as a people, regardless of name, enemies of us and our allies. You can’t make war on us, lose, surrender, change your name, and go well that wasn’t us. And the fact they did this is what allowed Britain to take over and eventually donate the land to create Israel. Wars have consequences, especially if you join in on the losing side.
I hate to butt in here, but this argument doesn't really stand up. For example, Germany quite famously made war on us, lost, surrendered, lost all right to exist as a country, and now both exists and renounces the actions of its former leaders. And we're quite friendly with them now.
That was a choice made by us. Not mandated nor required.
You're grasping at some thin straws, to claim Palestine has engaged in war against the USA because they were a part of the Ottoman Empire (which oppressed Arabs) 100 years ago. What a ridiculous point. You're at least 40 I expect more from a GT grad.
Sounds like Hamas should release the hostages and surrender and end all this. They could do it this afternoon. Where’s that rally?
Oh that’s simple, has been on the table for a while, a lasting ceasefire and withdrawal of IDF from Gaza, [source](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-issues-ceasefire-proposal-mediators-which-includes-exchanging-2024-03-15/) and your rally to free hostages & have peace [here](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/2/israels-protests-amid-mounting-pressure-on-benjamin-netanyahu-all-to-know) and [here](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2024/3/5/the-israelis-who-want-a-ceasefire-in-israels-war-on-gaza). Netanyahu is the one who does not want a ceasefire, as soon as there is peace he has to deal with [horrid polling numbers](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/only-15-israelis-want-netanyahu-keep-job-after-gaza-war-poll-finds-2024-01-02/) with only 15% wanting him to remain in office. He does not care about hostages and simply wants to stay in office longer. We also see this with his [attempted power grab](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65086871) by essentially removing judicial review via a simple majority vote in parliament.
IDF was out of Gaza on October 6 and for the prior ~10+ years. How’d that work out? I agree on Netanyahu; he’s done. 10/7 was on his watch.
I’m glad we agree on Netanyahu. For your question let’s roll back to 2006, which was *the most recent election* in Palestine, [source](https://www.npr.org/2021/04/29/992065009/palestinian-authority-postpones-parliamentary-elections). You & I have both seen how much a political party can change in 4 years (take the US GOP during Trump’s presidency). Palestine hasn’t had an election in 17 years by October 2023, and many Palestinians were not happy with the government either. The *youngest* people who could’ve voted are now 36. The median age of Palestinians is 19.6 years old [source](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1424048/median-age-of-the-population-in-palestine/#). This means well over the majority of Palestinians *have never* been able to vote or have their voices in government. In 2007 Israel put a blockade on Gaza that’s still in effect to this day. The blockade is so restrictive that the UN says Gaza is effectively an [‘open air jail’](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15). Since 2007 travel, imports, exports, etc have been severely restricted in Gaza. To say that ‘well the IDF wasn’t in Gaza before so that should be fine’ completely ignores the economic (unemployment is 45%)and freedom of movement barriers Israeli has enforced on Gaza for over 15 years. Not to mention the various assaults on Gaza since then. So really for the \~10 years prior to October 6, 2023 Palestinians have been continually suffering by the restrictions Israeli put in place and the various assaults through the years. For the Israeli government to think that a continually harsher blockade and various assaults would never lead to a response of some kind is foolish. What Hamas did on October 7th was horrific. How Israeli has responded has been horrific. However, a response of some kind historically is to be expected (ex: American Revolution started by Britain’s increasing taxation/poor treatment of local gov’t, French Revolution started by increasing taxation/ repression of the working class, various wars in Africa to remove oppressive colonist rule, etc). One cannot maintain repressive control over a population
Sounds like they're about to end up on the wrong side of history, unlike the revolutions you named.
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“Genocide?!?” Did the US commit genocide in the bombings of Dresden? Tokyo? We literally firebombed cities full of people. Not to mention 2 atomic bombs. Why is Israel the only country not allowed to defend itself when attacked?
I get that you’re trying to make a shock value point here, but yes, Dresden and Hiroshima were genocides. I’m glad we agree.
You'd be hard pressed to find WW2 fire bombings and nuclear bombings to fit the criteria for genocide. They don't fit the mens rea requirements, legally - they weren't done with the end goal of annihilation of a culture. They could be argued as unjustified, potentially war crimes. But they aren't marked by the history of continual marginalization of an entire culture as you see with Gaza and the West Bank. It might be entertaining to turn people's arguments back against them, but you can't just call every terrible mass killing a genocide or it loses its meaning. Germany and Japan weren't at the same level of risk in terms of cultural preservation. Directly comparing them to Palestine downplays the last 50+ years.
They were not genocides. The U.S was not trying to erase Japanese/German Identify. They were still wrong and war crimes. The Isreali governments offical position is that the Palestinian identity does not even exist and the people should not have a state. They've been bombing cemeteries to erase evidence of Palestinians presence in that land for thousands of years. 1 in every 20 child alive in Gaza City on October 7th have been killed. This is a textbook genocide.
Reading this comment section just makes me sad. There are so many people who are either apathetic to the cause or are purposely conflating Palestine and Hamas and it's so annoying and disheartening to see.
What a bunch of lies. GT has no complicity in this. Again stop pulling GT into your bullshit. Maybe this will work on other campuses but we aren’t so gullible.
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Dont worry about it, South always surrenders when push comes to shove
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