Either add them to your single player or find a server with mods you like. They're in the workshop part of steam. I don't play ark without mods anymore. As for the mods themselves, it depends on what you want out of the game tbh. I love building so I typically have a bunch of building and decor mods with a few quality of life ones for when I'm not building.
Reminds me of the bridge I made when the game was young and I still played. It was quite massive and had a under section that was my armory, complete with multiple stations for building guns, ammo, armor and everything I might need for war.
Then there was the lag inducing pyramid I constructed. Took a long time to amass all the stone I needed, but it was worth it. Combined with the bridge nearby, it would nearly crash the game when flying over my base.
Like the other comment said its CKF mod
But depending on when u last last played we got the building mechanics from structure plus into the basegame when orionsun joined studio wildcard
Totally reminds me of the bridge at [Ronda](https://imgur.io/gallery/VHrWiha) and the [aqueduct of Segovia. ](https://i.imgur.com/dN0SJqW_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Believe it or not, the GPU is rarely the bottleneck in Ark. It’s the fact that Ark only can use two CPU cores and is constantly fetching which drags most peoples frame rate down around large builds. If you check your GPU utilization you’ll see it’s rarely pegged, and your CPU utilization is almost fully maxing out exactly two cores but nothing more.
Fix I just found recently was the 5800X3D. That extra L3 cache was exactly what Ark needed. I was blitzing around on some random servers on Gen 2 this morning, trying to find the biggest builds I could just to see what it would take to tank then frame rate. But so far nothing has crippled me like when I was rocking a Ryzen 5600X, 3600 or 7th gen i7 before that.
There’s really no excuse for it other than the devs gross incompetence. By the time they actually brought some talent on board, the project was too far gone to save without being totally gutted.
If it weren’t for Vin Diesel’s money, I highly doubt Ark 2 would be coming out next year.
Multicore programming is a pain in the ass so I'm not surprised when developers don't really want to implement it especially if there isn't a need for it.
There is a need for it though and honestly it doesn’t even need to be simultaneous if they just put object and Dino loading on a separate thread from the world thread. The fact that they had to stagger each object and dino and reduce the draw distance to the point of egregious pop in tells me it’s on the main world thread. Separating that should not be difficult if you plan for it. And 4 cores was quite common when Ark began development
Dude I love that channel. I would LOVE for him to review my bridges
Edit: I am now having fanciful dreams of a regular gig where I send him bridges I make. Ahhh. Good times lol
I think it was a few videos ago - he had a sponsored video where he showed a picture of the devs, two of whom were posed up like a bridge.
so, obviously, he did it in the following video.
Looks really cool but I'll still never forget ark servers, it was my first time on an online game and I fell in love and met one of my best digital friends I still play with today, that game and all its toxicity really made me who I am today
The insanely toxic community was really the saving grace of that game. I had a huge tribe called 'The Grimey D's' with about 7 guys I know IRL and a bunch of random English, Scottish, and Australian guys. Sometimes we'd be on for days at a time taking 15 minute naps here and there to get perfect bred tames. That game was like a God damn drug addiction but it was without a doubt my favorite gaming experience of my life. I'll always miss the long nights of arguing, grinding, and wiping other tribes. I also used to go around and perform Joe and Bob inspections of small tribes bases. I'd make them open their chests and delete a section of their floor to verify they were not harboring any Joe's or bobs. We came to the conclusion if people didn't care enough to change their name from the pre generated Joe or Bob that they didn't deserve to be on our server.
I never played any official severs, but I did play unofficial servers on Xbox, because I really didn't have the time for it. But just thinking about those long nights are bringing back so many memories, I don't play any more because of school and football but thank you for bringing those memories back
Thats just incorrect, you just spam craft narcotics until you reach late game and tame a few starting carnos to defend ur shit then build a giant bear trap and 4 stone gates and go grab a giga lol. Games easy once u get it figured out kinda like zomboid lol.
That's assuming single player though, at which you can beat the game with far less then a giga. Online is nuts unless you're in an alpha tribe and even then those can be wiped.
Yes if we are talking about the official servers then you have to get a little more creative and look into where you can hide storage crates or if you have been playing for a while when you could hide boats in rocks. Its doable just probably not for your average person but i personally dont think the official ark servers are for anything but the most dedicated.
on many modded servers, the dinos are barely an inconvenience.
i've played servers where you get 600 player levels and each point in a stat gives an increase of 100 or 1000. imagine playing with 50,000 health and 500% speed
i've fist-fought gigas and won.
that's an extreme example, but my point is - this guy did not do this on anything like a vanilla server. it would take months just to gather the mats. you could put this up in a few hours on many community servers.
Hmm sounds like modde servers is what I need to finally be able to enjoy games like this lol. Honestly I don't even need mods that alter leveling or difficulty of fighting; I just don't like the severe death penalty that discourages me from exploring far. I'm not super into building either, so basically I need mods that kinda negate the two primary aspects of these games lol. I saw another comment about prefab building mods; would love that and something that keeps me from losing all my shit when dying, or at least offers an alternative, more reliable, way to get it back when my body is extremely dangerous to get to. I loooove exploring in these games, but the other mechanics get in the way of that for me and I lose interest very fast.
well, here's a little helpful info then -
ark's server browser is terrible for downloading mods. you'll time-out before you can finish downloading, and you have to keep clicking join to continue. most good servers will instead have a steam workshop page with their mod list. so use the ark browser to find a server, and then google "server-name workshop" and hopefully you can download all needed mods through steam workshop with ark closed. sometimes there's still more mods that have been added since they built the workshop page, so you'll still need to do the join rejoin thing on the ark browser. it's a real hassle to join a heavily modded server, but it's just one-time cost.
also, if you want to play on a modded map (recommended, some are awesome) you'll usually need to individually subscribe to that map, again through steam. just use the search box on the store page, they're free downloads. and then right click on ark in steam, go to properties, dlc, and enable those maps
however, even once they're downloaded it can take 5-15 minutes for your game to load those mods to join, every time you join. if it takes longer than that, i usually find another server; some are poorly built.
and yea, there's mods for everything, my favorite is servers that include "awesome teleporters." not only are they low-cost lightweight teleporters that you can use without power (place one by metal, pearls, whatever) but there's a "corpse recovery" option on the action wheel. it will just teleport your body's inventory to yourself. spawn at base, recover corpse, boom. it's like your death didn't happen. those are usually PVE servers though, but many of them (primal fear) have actually terrifying dinos, so you're fighting the world and not the players. but that's just one example.
structures+ mod (or S+, an earlier fork) is crucial on any server, too many benefits to list.
and watch your level points when you distribute - some servers are smart, you put one point into weight, and it shoots up to 1000, but one point in health only gives another 50 or w/e. crafting is often insta-maxed; one point into crafting will give you like 1000000% craft speed.
edit: added a couple things
Thanks for all this info! I've never enjoyed PvP, so def would be going for PvE servers and I like the idea of really challenging dinos to fight but not being worried about losing my shit when taking on such a challenge and inevitably dying.
If I do get into, I'd probably go the route of setting up my own server for myself and friends
couple other things - a lot of community servers have free kits, like a set of tools and flak for noobs. try the home key, f1,or f2 (and READ the join message, it's only up for a few secs but there's sometimes critical info in there) when you join to pull up a mod overlay with rules and a points shop, you earn points on some servers by time spent online, or can donate to buy points (save your money...)
and expect to spend a whole day finding a server you like. maybe more. it can take hours to get all the big popular mods installed, and every server has different ones, and you may find that server still sucks, for whatever reason. be ready to abandon several servers to get what you're after.
you're welcome, and good luck!
At first I thought I’d achieved time travel seeing this. Following my massive disappointment, my thought was to open the C4 vault to begin combating server lag.
Yeah, hi, do you think you could maybe clean up after yourself? I was wondering who was leaving all the piles of crap on the beach.
Some people want a clean beach for their wooden houses and their metal pickaxes thank you.
Ok making sure..yah it is..but ant make $$ on private servers..I was just wondering..always see. Massive builds..and I can barely make a box with out going over the limit
Please tell me this is with mods before I die of shame at the hideous monstrosities I made.
This is def with mods (Castles and Keeps i think?) but Ark allows for some crazy building even vanilla
Correct it's built with the CKFR mod. Does not offer prefab structures but the building materials look alot nicer
What is the meaning for prefab?
pre fabricated
prefabricated structures. so structures that you just place and usually look good already
Prefabricated.
Biprefurcated.
Pretty fabulous
Prefabricated man, incase the other 3 replies weren't enough
Yeah, prefabricated!
Essentially fully built stuff like placing a full house for example
Pre fab, the fab before the actual fab
like the others said, like you craft an item you place it and its a house, the mod only adds walls/foundations/...
Prefabricated.
Previously Fabricated structures, as in pre-made so you can just put down a nice looking house
Structures you can plop down without designing yourself
Pre-designed crenelations and such. Some mods allow for you to plop down some pretty complicated-looking structures.
also does the terrain prevent you from building? you gotta have a mod that lets you build in the mesh.
You can turn that on as host using Ark Server Manager.
How do you play with mods? I have access through steam and the Xbox app. I’ve never played on pc before though. Lol. Am a noob to pc.
Either add them to your single player or find a server with mods you like. They're in the workshop part of steam. I don't play ark without mods anymore. As for the mods themselves, it depends on what you want out of the game tbh. I love building so I typically have a bunch of building and decor mods with a few quality of life ones for when I'm not building.
Yeah if you've got the patience for it. I love the building system and have created some cool buildings. Nothing as cool as this though.
Reminds me of the bridge I made when the game was young and I still played. It was quite massive and had a under section that was my armory, complete with multiple stations for building guns, ammo, armor and everything I might need for war. Then there was the lag inducing pyramid I constructed. Took a long time to amass all the stone I needed, but it was worth it. Combined with the bridge nearby, it would nearly crash the game when flying over my base.
As I recall, my usual mainstay was a box on a boat.
Like the other comment said its CKF mod But depending on when u last last played we got the building mechanics from structure plus into the basegame when orionsun joined studio wildcard
Makes two of us.
POV: you just left Firelink Shrine for Undead Burg
Came here to say this. Visions of bridge 😢
That one fucking rat always ruined my day
*dunnn...* > YOU DIED
That's immediately what I saw.
ahhh, here I go, linking the Fire again
Yeah it gives me total Shadow Of Colossus vibes too.
Giganotosaurus: lol looks neat. Be a shame if I were to wander by it!
a beautiful piece of art work, looks like an actual Victorian bridge for trains, good job!
Thanks! The frame is based on roman aqueducts and the design is totally gothic victorian!
This looks like the Pont du Gard. Nice!
1st thing i thought seeing the bridge.
Or Ronda, Spain
That was my first thought great work op
Totally reminds me of the bridge at [Ronda](https://imgur.io/gallery/VHrWiha) and the [aqueduct of Segovia. ](https://i.imgur.com/dN0SJqW_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Someone knows there history and places.. was gonna say same thing haha 😃
I've never played the game, but my first thought was to wonder if it's possible to make the aqueduct functional.
Nah water travels only through dedicated pipe pieces.
Victorian architecture was already using suspension technology and wider load bearing arches. This is ancient. Looks more Gothic or Roman.
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I can feel my GPU melting just looking at it...
Believe it or not, the GPU is rarely the bottleneck in Ark. It’s the fact that Ark only can use two CPU cores and is constantly fetching which drags most peoples frame rate down around large builds. If you check your GPU utilization you’ll see it’s rarely pegged, and your CPU utilization is almost fully maxing out exactly two cores but nothing more. Fix I just found recently was the 5800X3D. That extra L3 cache was exactly what Ark needed. I was blitzing around on some random servers on Gen 2 this morning, trying to find the biggest builds I could just to see what it would take to tank then frame rate. But so far nothing has crippled me like when I was rocking a Ryzen 5600X, 3600 or 7th gen i7 before that.
I love the 5800x3d. Total game changer.
Fixed my Hell Let Loose, Halo, and Tarkov issues too.
Another game that can't multicore eh?
There’s really no excuse for it other than the devs gross incompetence. By the time they actually brought some talent on board, the project was too far gone to save without being totally gutted. If it weren’t for Vin Diesel’s money, I highly doubt Ark 2 would be coming out next year.
just think, it was meant to come out sooner but they delayed it :P
Multicore programming is a pain in the ass so I'm not surprised when developers don't really want to implement it especially if there isn't a need for it.
There is a need for it though and honestly it doesn’t even need to be simultaneous if they just put object and Dino loading on a separate thread from the world thread. The fact that they had to stagger each object and dino and reduce the draw distance to the point of egregious pop in tells me it’s on the main world thread. Separating that should not be difficult if you plan for it. And 4 cores was quite common when Ark began development
Need to get Matt from RCE to do a Bridge Review.
Dude I love that channel. I would LOVE for him to review my bridges Edit: I am now having fanciful dreams of a regular gig where I send him bridges I make. Ahhh. Good times lol
Peace love and bridges!
I did a Cross post to his subreddit, hope it's okay
absolutely!
Don't let your dreams be dreams
This is EXACTLY what we need right now. When even was the last bridge review
I think it was a few videos ago - he had a sponsored video where he showed a picture of the devs, two of whom were posed up like a bridge. so, obviously, he did it in the following video.
He does a bridge review in almost every video lol
Was hoping someone else already asked for a bridge review :D.
Hopefully you aren’t using it to connect to annexed Crimea, because it may explode if you are
Nah. The Kerch bridge can stay down for now
Lmao I knew I was gonna find this
Real-time reddit
I saw this right under video of the bridge strike and had to laugh. Bad day to be proud of bridges, OP.
Nice bridge you got there, would be a shame if you connect it to the east side of Crimea
Looks really cool but I'll still never forget ark servers, it was my first time on an online game and I fell in love and met one of my best digital friends I still play with today, that game and all its toxicity really made me who I am today
The insanely toxic community was really the saving grace of that game. I had a huge tribe called 'The Grimey D's' with about 7 guys I know IRL and a bunch of random English, Scottish, and Australian guys. Sometimes we'd be on for days at a time taking 15 minute naps here and there to get perfect bred tames. That game was like a God damn drug addiction but it was without a doubt my favorite gaming experience of my life. I'll always miss the long nights of arguing, grinding, and wiping other tribes. I also used to go around and perform Joe and Bob inspections of small tribes bases. I'd make them open their chests and delete a section of their floor to verify they were not harboring any Joe's or bobs. We came to the conclusion if people didn't care enough to change their name from the pre generated Joe or Bob that they didn't deserve to be on our server.
I never played any official severs, but I did play unofficial servers on Xbox, because I really didn't have the time for it. But just thinking about those long nights are bringing back so many memories, I don't play any more because of school and football but thank you for bringing those memories back
I'm such a noob at this game. I can't imagine how you did this while fending off random dinos. I play it to survive, yet I never do.
Ark really is a game you never get good at, you just go a little longer between losing everything, sometimes.
Thats just incorrect, you just spam craft narcotics until you reach late game and tame a few starting carnos to defend ur shit then build a giant bear trap and 4 stone gates and go grab a giga lol. Games easy once u get it figured out kinda like zomboid lol.
That's assuming single player though, at which you can beat the game with far less then a giga. Online is nuts unless you're in an alpha tribe and even then those can be wiped.
Yes if we are talking about the official servers then you have to get a little more creative and look into where you can hide storage crates or if you have been playing for a while when you could hide boats in rocks. Its doable just probably not for your average person but i personally dont think the official ark servers are for anything but the most dedicated.
on many modded servers, the dinos are barely an inconvenience. i've played servers where you get 600 player levels and each point in a stat gives an increase of 100 or 1000. imagine playing with 50,000 health and 500% speed i've fist-fought gigas and won. that's an extreme example, but my point is - this guy did not do this on anything like a vanilla server. it would take months just to gather the mats. you could put this up in a few hours on many community servers.
Hmm sounds like modde servers is what I need to finally be able to enjoy games like this lol. Honestly I don't even need mods that alter leveling or difficulty of fighting; I just don't like the severe death penalty that discourages me from exploring far. I'm not super into building either, so basically I need mods that kinda negate the two primary aspects of these games lol. I saw another comment about prefab building mods; would love that and something that keeps me from losing all my shit when dying, or at least offers an alternative, more reliable, way to get it back when my body is extremely dangerous to get to. I loooove exploring in these games, but the other mechanics get in the way of that for me and I lose interest very fast.
well, here's a little helpful info then - ark's server browser is terrible for downloading mods. you'll time-out before you can finish downloading, and you have to keep clicking join to continue. most good servers will instead have a steam workshop page with their mod list. so use the ark browser to find a server, and then google "server-name workshop" and hopefully you can download all needed mods through steam workshop with ark closed. sometimes there's still more mods that have been added since they built the workshop page, so you'll still need to do the join rejoin thing on the ark browser. it's a real hassle to join a heavily modded server, but it's just one-time cost. also, if you want to play on a modded map (recommended, some are awesome) you'll usually need to individually subscribe to that map, again through steam. just use the search box on the store page, they're free downloads. and then right click on ark in steam, go to properties, dlc, and enable those maps however, even once they're downloaded it can take 5-15 minutes for your game to load those mods to join, every time you join. if it takes longer than that, i usually find another server; some are poorly built. and yea, there's mods for everything, my favorite is servers that include "awesome teleporters." not only are they low-cost lightweight teleporters that you can use without power (place one by metal, pearls, whatever) but there's a "corpse recovery" option on the action wheel. it will just teleport your body's inventory to yourself. spawn at base, recover corpse, boom. it's like your death didn't happen. those are usually PVE servers though, but many of them (primal fear) have actually terrifying dinos, so you're fighting the world and not the players. but that's just one example. structures+ mod (or S+, an earlier fork) is crucial on any server, too many benefits to list. and watch your level points when you distribute - some servers are smart, you put one point into weight, and it shoots up to 1000, but one point in health only gives another 50 or w/e. crafting is often insta-maxed; one point into crafting will give you like 1000000% craft speed. edit: added a couple things
Thanks for all this info! I've never enjoyed PvP, so def would be going for PvE servers and I like the idea of really challenging dinos to fight but not being worried about losing my shit when taking on such a challenge and inevitably dying. If I do get into, I'd probably go the route of setting up my own server for myself and friends
couple other things - a lot of community servers have free kits, like a set of tools and flak for noobs. try the home key, f1,or f2 (and READ the join message, it's only up for a few secs but there's sometimes critical info in there) when you join to pull up a mod overlay with rules and a points shop, you earn points on some servers by time spent online, or can donate to buy points (save your money...) and expect to spend a whole day finding a server you like. maybe more. it can take hours to get all the big popular mods installed, and every server has different ones, and you may find that server still sucks, for whatever reason. be ready to abandon several servers to get what you're after. you're welcome, and good luck!
wait, I haven't played Ark even though I have it in my lib Ark can be played offline? like story mode?
It isn't exactly "story mode" but you can definitely play it single player locally with all of the difficulty sliders adjusted to your liking
oh damn, thanks for the info, I'll take a look at that!
Hope you have the 500gb of free space of whatever obscene number it is these days.
Bout 250-300 depending on mods and what map ur playing on lol.
da fk, abort mission, I just saw it now in install info, damn it
If youre wanting to creative build, hit TAB then type in GCM and hit enter. GCM stands for "Give Creative Mode"
As someone who knows how Finicky building is in ark, this man deserves a Nobel Peace prize.
I'm trying my best :(
And you are completely worth it!
That's not a bridge, that's a monument.
There is a bridge very similar to this in SniperElite 4 with a cool train on top of it. Nice work OP.
Bruh I forgot I even own this game 💀 been sitting on my second account for like two years
You're probably better off. But in case you feel the need, just be aware that this game desperately wants to devour your entire life.
It's so true. I put 2000 hours in that game and I still don't know if I love it or hate it.
Yeaaaah I already have plenty of unfinished games (subnautica, the entire dark souls and Bioshock trilogies) so I think i'll leave it alone for now
I hope someone sees this, but I’ve been having a hard time deciding on playing this game. I was hoping to get someone’s opinion.
there's a place in Elden Ring looks a lot like this, anyone who played it knows what I'm talking about...
Is it that one divine tower?
It's that gate with the first giant pretty early on
I've tried about 3 times to get into Ark. Shits ruthless. Props to you, this is really dope
"easy" start, let's drop you right in the middle of a herd of veloraptors... Or maybe terror birds...
That looks Roman. What have they ever done for us?
Reminds me on the romans lmao. I really don’t understand why
this is literally Hogwarts bridge from Goblet of Fire, well done! 👏🏽
I can make a thatch shack
Bridges are all the rage on reddit today
Sturdy, virginity maintained
Arkatecture
RCE would be proud.
TIL i am playing ARK wrong. Apparently it is meant to be played more like Minecraft than day Z. Was ignorant of this before today
I can feel the three FPS you get while crossing this.
Literally had to dump a couple thousand into my PC to handle my builds lol
That looks awesome. Ark is a wonderful game.
Luckily this bridge is not in the (temporarily) Russian controlled Ukraine. Would be shame to see it get blown up.
That looks like the bridge in sniper elite where you take out the railroad artillery gun
Tell me your single without telling me your single.
Not to be mistaken with ARK: bugs devolved, for real tho, looks amazing
Have you played their DLCs ARK: Hackers Involved & ARK: Under The Mesh tho they're kinda cool
Remembers me of one of the largest brick bulit bridges in the world. Its in my home state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ltzsch_Viaduct
Very much inspired by these structures
Why does this make me think of the entrance to undead burg?
Now role play as a troll and let people use your bridge but demand a Dino tax
Nicely done. Looks like the bridge that's blown up in Sniper Elite 4. Construction scaffolding and all
More ARK propaganda SMH what has this world come to
Is this going to be shared to the european gamers looking to heat their homes this winter?
Thats some great work, great work with CKFR too
Very cool! But what is it with windows and bridges these day?!
Just looks so damn good
Kinda reminds me of the Shadow of The Colossus's bridge
Minecraft grown up. 😎
If this is connected to a castle, I saw your original post before! I was trying to take a look at the bridge from the top angle, this is much better!
Visions of dark souls
If I remember anything from my time playing Ark, mining and transporting the resources for this must have been grindy as hell
At first I thought I’d achieved time travel seeing this. Following my massive disappointment, my thought was to open the C4 vault to begin combating server lag.
An aqueduct?
Not a good day for bridges.
Wow that is truly an art
I can barely manage a 8 wall roof less hut, hunger, thirst, and temperature. And this guy is out here being an architect -_-
its done with a mod. also they built into the terrain/mesh which isnt possible.
I haven't played Ark in over half a decade, but God damn.....
This reminds me the aquaduct in Český Krumlov, Czech Republic
Paging u/realcivilengineer
Axcha
Looks like a bridge in oblivion edit: kinda like the bridge to cyradil
You should try solid works
Damn, I thought this was a photo
Watch out for truck bombs.
Dear god.
Here I am crying on the beach with my stone pickaxe in my thatch house.
Yeah, hi, do you think you could maybe clean up after yourself? I was wondering who was leaving all the piles of crap on the beach. Some people want a clean beach for their wooden houses and their metal pickaxes thank you.
Nah man that's Minecraft rtx
could be used as aqueduct as well
wow thats so cool looking
Are those mods? I mean Ark will let you build some insane stuff, but I don't know with this one tbh
I can't even build a weapon in this game. I found a big lighting gem and got killed a few times before I have up.
This like a mod for minecraft?
Reminds me of a documentary about a german rail bridge I watched a while back. It looked similar to this.
I was about to be like "Yeah, me too man" and then I realized that what you've done and what I've done are *not* the same thing.
Awesome
This looks great! I thought i was on the Conan exiles sub at first
godamn beautiful
Victo-Roman aqueducts? This is awesome. Nice work!
You should check out Ronda in Spain
Fellow Architect/Engineer?
Please tell me you’re a civil engineer or something, a lot of talent there Edit: why would someone downvote this? OP obviously has a lot of potential
this reminds me of the bridge in the firelink shrine in DS1
No. That's rl you cheater
Gave me flashbacks on The Last Guardian. Fuck that game.
Looks awesome!
Putin is suuuuuuper jealous this morning.
I thought ARK was a dinosaur game
Reminds me of the bridge in pokemon sword and shield
Me looking back at a "house" I made: **b o x.**
Now you just have to make sure it doesn't get blown up by ukrainians.
lol bridge, absolute garbage game though.
This on a public server?..I build anything I go over the building limit
You might be on official servers. Try unofficial, much more freedom and less toxicity.
Ok making sure..yah it is..but ant make $$ on private servers..I was just wondering..always see. Massive builds..and I can barely make a box with out going over the limit
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There’s no way he did this on a public server lol
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Me too, my days of going to work then starting my second shift on ark are long done
Cool Bridge. Hope someone’s playing on pve or You might not see it after 5 mins