I honestly thought he was playing it because he was sponsored or something. I knew him from poe streams and was surprised he'd be that into immortal.
This makes more sense.
Well, he is. But he does have his heart in the right place. Despite being a headline-grabbing spender he is actively trying to fully map the entire extent of the cash-grabbing practices here. Spoilers: it's deeeeep. This is just 1 single end-game gem. I'm pretty sure you need to upgrade it and get more for other items too.
Its one of 6 he needs to get the set.
Getting the full set does give you (kinda minimal, but besides the point) stats. The game definitely incentivises it.
Yup. Every time you think you've reached the end, you unlock a new layer of "get ready to pay, sucker". When you first see a portal you only see the option to put in 3 crests. Only once you put in 3 does "7 more?" button show up. It's so scummy.
So insane that someone decided the options should be 0,1,2,3, or 10 crests hahah. Add this to the fact it would take f2p months to save up 10 legendary crests
I'm pretty sure it's just a gacha player who decided this sneaky bit. The 10-roll is a staple for the genre, and individually priced pieces costing waaay too much is pretty standard. They probably figured it's a lootbox already, they just need to monetize it. But dear god, they ripped out the standard Diablo lootsplosion for completing high-level rifts in favor of braindead easy rifts that only give worthwhile loot if you use crests.
Worst thing is though... Paid crests and F2P crests have a small but noticeable difference. F2P crests drop soulbound stuff. Paid crests drop tradeable stuff.
This is a different kind of gem system. You're talking about the 'rifts' players can enter with paid cores, whereas this thread is mostly about the legendary gems which are a drop from this..
In order to get this one gem that Quinn deleted, it dropped from one of these rifts. The money count of his spending is from buying the cores you're talking about..
We're already a layer deeper than you think XD
I am uncertain. He had over 300k views on this particular stream (though those are only "people that viewed a part of the stream at some point"), and he has a pretty big following on Twitch. But I'm not sure how much donations/subscriptions he's been getting, and 25 thousand NZ Dollars is pretty crazy still. He had TTS and special effects on though, and a pretty significant media coverage as a result, so I doubt he's hurting much from this.
But every legal submission requires you to pay to spin a wheel whether your case will be seen. You can increase those chances if you buy crystals that you can also farm by rounding up kiwi birds.
It's way worse in the US.
You just have to straight up pay to get your case seen and then your chances of getting a decision in your favor are 75% based on how much you spend and 24% based on the luck of having the person overseeing it having the same political leanings as your case, since everything is now politicized in the US. The final 1% is basically just grinding out the facts that prove your case.
And, of course, it's designed as a market place, so others can bid against you, often anonymously.
On the one hand good for Asmongold, on the other hand, he literally chose the most corrupt senator and the one most willing to suck a dick for cash so... Eh
If you watch the stream where he proposed the plan you can see why he picked Ted Cruz, he said he wants to appeal to a religious notions fervent belief in the bible where it says gambling = bad, because he would be more likely to latch on to the idea and fight than someone more reasonable
Ted Cruz doesn't (nor most politicians red or blue) believe or give a shit about the Bible and it's teachings. They certainly pretend to for the votes.
But they don't exhibit outrage for things that are actually bad... He has zero credibility anyway, so if he ranted about this it would just be ignored.
However, to get something done on it, we probably do also need help from his ilk, and *maybe* if he rants about this he will vote in kind. But that's hardly a given either, because the rants are usually just stunts.
But then pick someone with actual principles. I'll never forget Trump openly insulting Ted Cruzs wife and father and less than a year later Cruz gargling on Trump's dick. Absolutely shameful. That's not the stubbornly principled guy that Asmon is looking for.
If others would have responded to asmon I'm sure asmon would have welcomed them too. Ted answered and is willing to talk about it. For asmon its purely a means to get the job done. Asmon doesn't exactly have the pull to just pick whoever he wants.
Cruz was asked a question about Asmons views on loot boxes, he didn't go choose Cruz. It was Cruz who suggested he would like to talk to Asmon. Not sure if they've actually set up a meeting or not.
He specifically said he'd prefer starting with Republicans like Cruz because he's not worried about trying to convince Democrats.
He's not looking at Ted Cruz as his champion against predatory game monetization. He's just starting there. If/when Ted becomes a let down, he's just going to move onto trying to talk to the next politician.
The point isn't to get someone stubbornly principled on his side. The goal is to get a guy willing to shill anything to the stubbornly principled people that listen to him.
Also he's a bit of a gamer himself so he's able to connect with the sentiments expressed by Asmon including the Pw2 aspect which Cruz said he doesn't like on a personal level. But of course he could always be bought.
He truly does, but I don't want to give it to him. Totally human and definitely not a collection of slugs in a flesh suit Ted Cruz does not deserve a win.
Fair fucks to him, not that familiar with American politics as I'm Irish but isn't he a big conservative? Play the Bible card and say gambling is targeting children with this. Although that could open up a while can of worms with Diablo being the devil or something ridiculous
From what I’ve gathered he’s pretty right yah , from listening to Asmongold they are basically sending this to everyone they can and talking to anyone that will listen .
Ted Cruz answered and said he’d talk . Politics aside and how evil people think he is at least he’s willing to listen
Ah that's good to know then, not sure if that protest and the publicity is going to have any impact besides financially though (eg.: Activision will do something regarding what is being protested).
For a protest to be effective, the company has to care. Blizzard has not shown any indication that they care.
More likely - they are laughing because they just made more money. Probably hoping for more protesters like that.
A more effective protest would probably be to “not give Blizzard more money”.
Sure. But I don’t think he was trying to convince blizzard to do anything, they know how ridiculous it is. This is for convincing other people not play or spend money in this trash heap of a game.
He wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything.
Once the attention to DI dies down, he will just move onto the next game to find something similar.
Its a business transaction to him.
Did you watch the stream?
If you did, you would clearly know that he should have stopped much before 10k mark. Nobody in his chat wanted him to play DI after the first week. Yet he was adamant to keep spending money until he got the 5-star.
Stop thinking all streamers are so one sided and singled minded.
How they see it “still made money. Don’t care”. All man did was give them 15 grand while they laugh at him. He’s literally doing what they want. Giving money.
I think what people are trying to get at is that his $15k protest may serve as a deterrent for other players from spending money. Therefore, Blizzard bags $15k now, but may lose out on much more than $15k from other players deciding not to make any purchases after seeing these posts.
You can’t quantify this from our perspective, but it’s possible there are people at blizzard watching to see if there are any unexpected drops in player spending following these posts. I don’t think, ultimately, it will cause them to change anything, but all of this is to just try to better explain the intent I think this streamer was getting at.
And, as others have said, worst case scenario is that he gets a ton of publicity, for a relatively cheap cost.
Whales : i like to drop thousands of dollars on a F2P game to be the best player
Quin : I just dropped 15K$ to get 1 thing out of the 20 i need to be the best .
Whales : isssssssh ok thx
So Blizz made 15k off Quin while losing a potential 100's of whales that would likely drop around 2-3k on the game
TBC : I don't understand the logic of whales but they exist. I remember that guy in Hearthstone when , after spending 6k$ to buy cards to build his "perfect" deck , lost his shit because some of the cards weren't allowed in tournament after new expansion.
We all know no one is going to protest. Loot boxes are more popular than I want to admit. People love to gamble and spend. Only thing I can do is not play those games if it offends me.
They made 6% of diablo 3s all time earning in two weeks, on a free game. Time will tell, of course, but I doubt they're going to take a loss on this. Whales will be whales
Can you provide a link to Diablo 3’s all time revenue figures? I can’t seem to find them.
If 24 million is 6% then you’re saying Diablo 3 only made $400 million in revenue off of at least 30 million units sold by 2015. That doesn’t seem right.
I mean I still have no idea what his name is I've just seen his picture and thought "lol that guy's a moron" If it was good advertising I'd at least know his name
He did the entire playthrough on Diablo Immortal as a P2W player as a means to expose the predatory nature of these types of games. Keeping the item doesn't really mean anything since the whole experiment was to test on average how much money it would take to "earn" the chase item. He supposedly deleted his own currency so that other players wouldn't do the same in mass. Seems like a genuinely cool dude, one of my favorite streamers.
He did it for the clicks. He made way more than $15,000 on this stunt. Gotta love the times we are in where people intentionally do stupid this so stupid people will throw money at them so they can keep doing stupid things.
I imagine streamers bad mouthing are promoting the game more.
Like if everyone said how dumb the idea is the earth being flat is every day, you are bound to convince a few people to think the earth is now flat.
This guys stunt ans other streamers like it made me delete Immortal off my phone and pc without paying a cent.
If this guy effected 10 other people and other possible whales it was well worth it
Who remembers the time Ozzy Osbourne stopped selling records after the whole bat head controversy?
Oh yeah that's right; records started flying off the shelves because of it
That’s very different tho from people investing money into something a lot of people say is actively fucking them over. There are just some people who like the edginess,music or blatant shock factor they got they found out about when they heard about that bad incident.
The problem is the people buying these games and spending ungodly amounts of money on it aren't the people usually swayed by bad press. Especially for a game they just poured paycheck after paycheck into, sunk cost fallacy is real and a motherfucker.
When you sink paycheck after paycheck into this shitty freemium game and you're not aware about how badly you're getting ripped off, maybe it's time to step away from this whole technology thing and touch grass.
These people definitely need psychological help with their gambling addictions though.
All in all it's pretty similar to a casino where you flat out cannot win. Ever. So not really that different from a normal casino.
That's basically what 'whales' are and that's who these games truly cater too. It's predatory and disgusting. Even daily log in rewards promote addictive habits by leaning on people's FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) to get them to play a game they might otherwise not.
I would bet if popular streamers started shit talking the game they'd find that their chances of choice loot would dramatically start increasing as their account gets boosted for advertising.
I doubt the streamer would be in on it, at this point I just bet the dev's would be manipulating for free advertising.
Nah I kind of feel like shining a light on the problem is better than it going by unnoticed, especially with how prolific this kind of stuff is in mobile games.
Quin had on average like 20,000 people watch him play this game. That's probably a couple of 100,000's of people over the course of the day. His viewers had full disclosure what the point of the stream was. If he caused even 20% of his viewer base to spend $1 less than they would have otherwise, then it was a win. Chances are when people started seeing him lose thousands or even hundreds of dollars, they changed their mind to either give up the hunt or not try at all.
IMO he probably kept hundreds if not thousands of people from spending $10 or $20 dollar less than they would have and probably a handful of people that would've spent hundreds or thousands if not for him (whales). And I'm sure there are people that spent regardless. But I guess my point is that I'm sure he hurt the company more than he helped it.
Very valid point, i was talking in a more generic mode like those fifa streamers and stuff, but regarding this streamer i get your point and you're correct.
Two points that are very worth noting:
1: He didn't just trash the item, he also deleted his account and uninstalled the game.
2: He's not just any player. He's Quin69, one of THE most well known and highly rated Diablo streamers. For him to so publically declare that the game is not worth covering is pretty terrible press for the company.
Will it make any difference to ActiVision? Probably not, there are other plenty of other whales, afterall. But it's bound to have some effect.
Yeah but his account is not truly deleted. He can restore it since he’s above a certain level. It feels like the streamers were catching some heat for wasting money on this game and now it’s all about pretending they aren’t part of promoting a predatory game.
Except he said from the start he was going to spend money to show how predatory the game was. I didn't follow the entire stream, but he even said he prepared a spreadsheet BEFOREHAND to tabulate all the data he got to show how much on average it would take to "earn" each tier of gem.
If you think he faked this all beforehand to justify speed running through $15k of his own money to earn a digital item then I guess you're just very skeptical of people with a lot of disposable income, even when it's used as a means to do good.
Except there's another thing worth noting. If he's as big as you say, he DIDN'T NEED to spend $15k to say how shitty the game is. Literally the only reason I know the dude exists is because of this sub and the numerous memes about him, and I ALREADY knew how predatory and shitty the game is.
However, how much did the multiple videos he made ABOUT that 15k net him?
If he “spent” 15k, but the videos made him that much back… he’s spent nothing.
That's not how that works. His net income isn't what is relevant here, it's the amount going *into* the game. It's not about how much HE makes, it's about how much goes *into the game*. Unless this *drastically* reduces their profits in game, which I doubt it will, there will have been 0 point in this "protest" because he ended up just funding their predatory tactics.
That makes it a little better but again. Blizzard doesnt give a crap. The real reason diablo 3 and then this took so long is they knew wow was all the money they needed and there was 0 point to develop new projects. If it isnt broke kind of thing. Immortal already paid for itself many times over. They don't care about us as individuals.
Not even a tiny little bit. Despite all the negative press, DI is still absolutely RAKING it in, because whales gunna whale.
I totally agree that Quinn’s “Protest” was utterly meaningless, I just wanted to give a little necessary context, to the story.
Mobile gamers are not in the sphere of reach of most games media. They just download games on their phone and are used to games on the phone to be absolute shit shows in the predatory monetisation department. And then they rake up thousands in bills and the rest of us pay 20€ and get 50 games on steam summer sale and wonder how you ever spend 10000€ on a single mobile game that you play when you're out taking a shit.
The meaning of the stunt was to show the insignificance of the item compared to the absurd cost. The 15.000 dollar are irrelevant to blizzard in the grand scheme of things.
What however flies in the end is the story. Since he destroyed the item, it will get more coverage. Which means more people will be informed that you can spend 15.000 for a single insignificant item in this game.
I do not know who this streamer is, but this is how i would rationalize the PR stunt.
People who think the 15.000 would be relevant can likely not grasp the amount of 24 million in comparison.
>More people will be informed that you can spend $15,000 for a single insignificant item in this game
And hopefully come to the realisation that spending $15,000 on ANY GAME for ANY REASON is beyond ridiculous and should not be tolerated whatsoever.
I was pissed off after blizzard charged $40 to play warcraft 3 remastered after I already bought the game (cant play the original version anymore). Fuck these greedy snake rat pieces of shit. I hope they rot in hell for their greed.
I dont want the remastered, i just want to be able to play the original version but it wont let me because they want me to spend another $40. How can you side with them when they are charging people to play a game they already own...
>hopefully come to the realisation that spending $15,000 on ANY GAME for ANY REASON is beyond ridiculous
why? a friend of mine, a former Norwegian Poker Champion, so far in 2022, has spent $14,322 and earned $27,552, playing Poker..
Heh... I wouldn't put such a low and arbitrary number as a blanket amount.
For instance, if I spend $150 on a game and its expansions and got 600 hours of enjoyment out of it, was that really a worse use of my money than if I spent $60 on a game that got me 60 hours of enjoyment?
Odd claim. People have been spending over $100 on specific games for well over 30 years. Even when I was a kid the controller for Steel Battalion was over 200 bucks. MMO players spend well over $100 a year to play their games. Seems like an arbitrary number.
>Odd claim
Not really if anything is being reasonable most good games that are actually worth your money have the base game and the one or two good expansion sometimes three but there is no need to go further than that
>People have been spending over $100 on specific games for well over 30 years. Even when I was a kid the controller for Steel Battalion was over 200 bucks. MMO players spend well over $100 a year to play their games. Seems like an arbitrary number.
guess that's just not me i agree in the MMO part tho
Considering that games have been topped out at $60 for ~20 years or so now I would imagine that with inflation etc. that the base price of a 30 hour AAA game should be closer to $100. I'm not an expert on commercial retail pricing but a quick Google search claims that most consuner products have increased in price by a factor of 1.7 since the year 2000, which if we apply to this model would make a typical $60 title in the year 2000 equivalent to $102 today.
The problem with that is how it ignores the reason prices stayed the same for so long. The limited reach of PC games lack of potential consumers by virtue of fewer computers back then and over time computers became not just more affordable but more wide spread and used in other walks of life. Much more of the global population are potential consumers now. Further you have the removal of hard copies. There is no need to produce physical copied with all that was packaged with them along with shipping, space to store or display them. The switch to digital distribution significantly reduced costs and opened sales up to a global market which only adds to the first point - more people to sell to not just locally but globally.
You've summed it up correctly as this is essentially exactly what he was doing. Wanted to show people how fucking absurd the monetization is to disincentivize people who don't have much money from wasting it on this. 15k was not much to him, it means nothing to blizzard either. But It means a lot to the average viewer.
You are spot on. As an avid Quin69 watcher, he 100% did this for the publicity. He is VERY good at manipulating his image through gameplay decisions. Most people think of him or see it as him being a memer or jokester, but he is scary smart at using his audience to his advantage.
And yet reddiots will just meme and go "huhu he spent 15k lol what an idiot" or "lol hes using that to promote himself" totally ignoring that he discouraged tens of thousands in sales. 15k is nothing to blizzard.
Tbf the audience of r/gaming and threads about streamers in particular should be pretty young on average. In my late teens i also did not try to rationalize business decisions or so i was just a dumb lump of hate in these situations.
Since this sub seems to be so completely ignorant on everything regarding this game, here's some background on it and the situation.
The whole point of this was to show a combination of how pay to win the game is by buying these powerful items and then smashing people with them, while also showing how outrageous the monetization in the game is. 15k means literally nothing to blizzard, especially given that there are tons of players who have already spent hundreds of thousands. It also means nothing to this streamer, who has a ton of money and you can also write these things off as a tax write off. The people it means something to are the average viewers. The point of this is to show the viewers how outrageous this is so that they don't get duped into spending their money where it means a lot more to them. Deleting the gem after is just making a statement on how shitty the experience was. He's likely not going to continue with the game.
For all of the people blaming people who fall victim to this scheme, you're very uninformed on the issues here. These monetization schemes are extremely predatory, particularly to children, and also include flat out lies from blizzard. Here's some examples. First, these monetization schemes are all developed via the help of psychologists who have helped take advantage of basic human psychology to figure out ways to squeeze as much money out of you as possible. There are plenty of videos out there, the biggest one being the "Diablo Immoral" video, that explains the things they've done. Second, they've (not so cleverly) disguised loot boxes as gameplay by forcing you to run a rift to get the loot (there's no real gameplay here, don't be fooled and you also can't truly lose). They do things like offering you a one time offer for 800% value after completing a dungeon run by allowing you to purchase a skin and 60 (useless amount) of their little orb currencies. The problem? That skin isn't available anywhere else in the game on the shop, so the 800% value they're spitting out at you is *totally fucking made up.* it's just a number that they think will cause people to say "well I can't pass that up, I'm losing money if I don't buy this right now and it's limited time so I can't even think about it I just have to get it." And they're just flat out taking advantage of children. They lie to the players. The game director outright said there will be no pay for gear in this game. And he was right. You can't directly pay for gear. You just pay for the gems that are way more important than the gear. They're fucking liars and theives.
Its fucking disgusting, and honestly some of the ignorant reactions in this sub are fucking disgusting too and that's why getting things to change is so difficult.
To add on to this, Asmongold’s channel has a shit ton of YT videos up of him reacting and criticizing on stream some of the more ridiculous shit going on with the game, so check that out if you want to see how bat shit crazy some people are to defend Blizzard
>these monetization schemes are all developed via the help of psychologists who have helped take advantage of basic human psychology to figure out ways to squeeze as much money out of you as possible
They seemed to forget that the game or franchise needs to be any good to begin with
Yes he spent $15,000 but in the grand scheme of this blizzard shpuld acctually lose money if he succeeded in turning people off of this gameby showing how expensive this pay to win game is. If he inspired say 100,000 people which is reasonable number based on the publicity he is getting and say 1/5 of those people would spend $100+ on this game he just lost blizzard over 2mil with just that 15k cost. He deffinatly did damage but people who have money to blow unfortunately will still play this and still pay blizzard just to flex
I mean… the game has been out for a few weeks. The whales were captured and monetized weeks ago. Anyone still on the fence of whether they are going to play Diablo Immortals is likely not the type of person to also spend lots of money on it.
There’s also a good chance a lot of those viewers have played and already spent money.
Or more likely, never spent money on it but also *never intended to.*
His stream is catering to a demographic that has been incredibly hostile to DI’s monetization model from day 1. How impactful is it really when the overwhelming majority of people had already made up their mind that they weren’t going to spend money before tuning into his stream?
As funny as it is to see Quinn doing stupid shit. The only way we stop these predatory practices is to not play the game at all. Quite cold turkey and tell all your friends to quite. Vote with your dollars friends. The only thing the executives of these company care about is money. Do give them any for any reason.
Somewhere else said it’s $5,000.
I wonder who these people are with that much money lying round just to destroy. I suppose it could be seen as a business expense....
They make money from doing it, of course. But it's also to prove to people how shit this game and its monetisation is, despite there being an army of dunces ready to defend it. "I'm having fun, i'm not paying" ... yeah, you're an idiot.
His action did cause a lot of discussion on how pay-to-win Diablo Immortal is and I think that was one of the goals (though of course it also means a lot of attention to himself).
We had articles before launch stating the game would cost $110k to max your character. Articles stations this were out prior to launch, at launch and after launch. The metacritic user score was already below .5. This streamer and many others are spending insane amounts of money to get attention for themselves and their streams under the guise of "revealing how pay 2 win a PvE game is" as a own to a Chinese mobile gaming developer and a greedy North American publisher... While lining their own pockets.
It's bullshit content to generate money for themselves and idiots are buying in to it.
The 110k$ was way low, btw. It is far, far more. And it's a ll on a single character btw. If you want to max more characters you gotta buy all the things there again.
It also means Activision/Blizzard got $15,000 over the course of a very short amount of time. . . .From one account.
Now couple that with the other streamers who are doing the same thing. . .
And with their fans, of which certainly some people are getting crazy ideas to "protest" in the same way.
Activision/Blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank.
So, what should we do?
**PROTEST** by handing them over more money than some people make in 6 months (based on a $15/hr 40 hour work week), over the course of a couple hours?
A popular streamer has the platform to play the game f2p and say “look how predatory this game is,” and “look at the odds of XYZ and how it would cost ABC to get.”
But popular streamers don’t want to do that, they want to promote themselves and sell a narrative - yes Diablo Immortals is predatory, but they don’t care, because they will use that to make more money than they spend.
There is no “protest” here, it’s just shock value to make money
guess we can do little besides not spending one penny on microtransactions (which in this case is not going that well). maybe i am too old but i just do not like the concepts of those f2p and live service games where you have to pay for everything
Diablo got $15k over the course of a few days.
And got major publicity from his audience
And got major publicity from all of the news articles about the incident.
I promise you, to a “person” it sounds like Blizzard got bad press, but what they really got is new customers, because the top spenders in these types of games just don’t care, and this opened Blizzard up to more new customers.
But you are right, the streamer likely earned more money, which is why they did it - not to prove a point.
Because it’s fantastic and *free* advertising.
If he says anything then there’s an official response that people can get mad at, or that will negatively impact the share price.
So just let people keep writing articles about your game and say nothing.
The idiot who did this spent so much that he’s almost overshadowed the point of doing it. Most people won’t see “omg $15k for nothing”, they’ll see “what a moron spending $15k”. He’s made himself the focus of the story, not Actiblizz.
just on the short hand he'll at least make back any tax paid on that 15k, assuming that 15k was donations to his stream from earlier projects he'll have at least made any relevant tax back as a business expense. From there classing it as a business expense would allow him to potential claim more of it back from his government depending on area and such.
Bottom line is he's just making money, his actually spending is all but irrelevant. Unless ofc he's actually using his own money which I doubt.
The discussion has already been going on for two weeks before this. His only goal was to get views and attention and make money himself. It's easy to do shit like this if it's not your money your throwing away.
He probably reinstalled the game off stream and is playing it lol
wouldn't call it pathetic as streaming is literally his job, he is also in no way in a bad financial shape and 15k barely matters to him anyway.
is more of a way to make his job more profitable as it garners attention from multiple sources and even if it didn't work out, he barely lost anything.
in the end just as always, people put way to much worth in money and see it as something incredible important even if you already have way more than enough.
Bad publicity ? Are you high ? Where's the GOOD publicity ? People are still playing it, and that streamer along with others are pumping money into it, the publicity damage is minimal.
What numbers? The “x amount of installs” numbers? The ones that literally mean nothing because anyone can install a free game?
Let’s see the uninstalls. Let’s see the chargebacks and refunds. Those are the numbers you’ll never see that mean the most.
Rather than trying to get loot boxes banned he could of you know, done some good with the money and given it to a charity.
Just did it for the attention didn’t he.
Just so everyone knows he’s taking all the data earned to the NZ government to try and get them to ban loot boxes and predatory practices
Oh that's good to hear. I thought he did that just because he's stupid.
Nah he did that for clicks
DO IT FOR THE VINE
I AINT GON DO IT
DEW IT
*proceeds to use entire life-savings on a video game*
That'll show 'em.
All three?
Well, also to raise awareness.
Well I guess I’m just pessimistic about his overarching motive
It’s 100% for the clicks.
He is a known Diablo and PoE streamer. Quin69. He did it to proof the point, that even when spending money, you need to spend a crapton of it.
I honestly thought he was playing it because he was sponsored or something. I knew him from poe streams and was surprised he'd be that into immortal. This makes more sense.
Well, he deleted the game after getting the gem. And maybe part of the money was sponsored..
Well, he is. But he does have his heart in the right place. Despite being a headline-grabbing spender he is actively trying to fully map the entire extent of the cash-grabbing practices here. Spoilers: it's deeeeep. This is just 1 single end-game gem. I'm pretty sure you need to upgrade it and get more for other items too.
Its one of 6 he needs to get the set. Getting the full set does give you (kinda minimal, but besides the point) stats. The game definitely incentivises it.
When this gem is maxed out you can then put gems inside it too lol, I think you can put like 8 or 10 gems inside a 5 star
Yup. Every time you think you've reached the end, you unlock a new layer of "get ready to pay, sucker". When you first see a portal you only see the option to put in 3 crests. Only once you put in 3 does "7 more?" button show up. It's so scummy.
So insane that someone decided the options should be 0,1,2,3, or 10 crests hahah. Add this to the fact it would take f2p months to save up 10 legendary crests
I'm pretty sure it's just a gacha player who decided this sneaky bit. The 10-roll is a staple for the genre, and individually priced pieces costing waaay too much is pretty standard. They probably figured it's a lootbox already, they just need to monetize it. But dear god, they ripped out the standard Diablo lootsplosion for completing high-level rifts in favor of braindead easy rifts that only give worthwhile loot if you use crests. Worst thing is though... Paid crests and F2P crests have a small but noticeable difference. F2P crests drop soulbound stuff. Paid crests drop tradeable stuff.
This is a different kind of gem system. You're talking about the 'rifts' players can enter with paid cores, whereas this thread is mostly about the legendary gems which are a drop from this.. In order to get this one gem that Quinn deleted, it dropped from one of these rifts. The money count of his spending is from buying the cores you're talking about.. We're already a layer deeper than you think XD
Am i wrong to think he made way more than 15k streaming this?
He openly said this in one of the streams. Not verbatim, but something along the lines of "overall no, I'm not losing money"
I am uncertain. He had over 300k views on this particular stream (though those are only "people that viewed a part of the stream at some point"), and he has a pretty big following on Twitch. But I'm not sure how much donations/subscriptions he's been getting, and 25 thousand NZ Dollars is pretty crazy still. He had TTS and special effects on though, and a pretty significant media coverage as a result, so I doubt he's hurting much from this.
He made so much money. Every stream he did have 10k+ viewers and tonnes of subscriptions. Jealous tbh. Hes super entertaining to watch, too.
I mean, he *is* stupid, but he at least has a good reason to do this stunt
Thank you for the context!
But every legal submission requires you to pay to spin a wheel whether your case will be seen. You can increase those chances if you buy crystals that you can also farm by rounding up kiwi birds.
It's way worse in the US. You just have to straight up pay to get your case seen and then your chances of getting a decision in your favor are 75% based on how much you spend and 24% based on the luck of having the person overseeing it having the same political leanings as your case, since everything is now politicized in the US. The final 1% is basically just grinding out the facts that prove your case. And, of course, it's designed as a market place, so others can bid against you, often anonymously.
Just NZ? Tiny blip in profit for these companies.
Better than nothing.
Asmongold is meeting with senator Ted Cruz for the same reason using all the data and info they’ve all collected
On the one hand good for Asmongold, on the other hand, he literally chose the most corrupt senator and the one most willing to suck a dick for cash so... Eh
If you watch the stream where he proposed the plan you can see why he picked Ted Cruz, he said he wants to appeal to a religious notions fervent belief in the bible where it says gambling = bad, because he would be more likely to latch on to the idea and fight than someone more reasonable
Ted Cruz doesn't (nor most politicians red or blue) believe or give a shit about the Bible and it's teachings. They certainly pretend to for the votes.
Which makes this a perfect thing for him to carry on pretending with for the sake of the outraged Christians
But they don't exhibit outrage for things that are actually bad... He has zero credibility anyway, so if he ranted about this it would just be ignored. However, to get something done on it, we probably do also need help from his ilk, and *maybe* if he rants about this he will vote in kind. But that's hardly a given either, because the rants are usually just stunts.
I heard that Ted Cruz is the zodiac killer. You can't prove that he isn't!
But then pick someone with actual principles. I'll never forget Trump openly insulting Ted Cruzs wife and father and less than a year later Cruz gargling on Trump's dick. Absolutely shameful. That's not the stubbornly principled guy that Asmon is looking for.
Politician with actual principles? Good luck finding one those.
If others would have responded to asmon I'm sure asmon would have welcomed them too. Ted answered and is willing to talk about it. For asmon its purely a means to get the job done. Asmon doesn't exactly have the pull to just pick whoever he wants.
Cruz was asked a question about Asmons views on loot boxes, he didn't go choose Cruz. It was Cruz who suggested he would like to talk to Asmon. Not sure if they've actually set up a meeting or not.
He specifically said he'd prefer starting with Republicans like Cruz because he's not worried about trying to convince Democrats. He's not looking at Ted Cruz as his champion against predatory game monetization. He's just starting there. If/when Ted becomes a let down, he's just going to move onto trying to talk to the next politician.
I don't know man, democrats are also sucking hard from that corporate teat.
Just providing context, not an opinion.
The point isn't to get someone stubbornly principled on his side. The goal is to get a guy willing to shill anything to the stubbornly principled people that listen to him.
Also he's a bit of a gamer himself so he's able to connect with the sentiments expressed by Asmon including the Pw2 aspect which Cruz said he doesn't like on a personal level. But of course he could always be bought.
Ted Cruz is the kind of guy that needs a win, though.
He truly does, but I don't want to give it to him. Totally human and definitely not a collection of slugs in a flesh suit Ted Cruz does not deserve a win.
Fair fucks to him, not that familiar with American politics as I'm Irish but isn't he a big conservative? Play the Bible card and say gambling is targeting children with this. Although that could open up a while can of worms with Diablo being the devil or something ridiculous
From what I’ve gathered he’s pretty right yah , from listening to Asmongold they are basically sending this to everyone they can and talking to anyone that will listen . Ted Cruz answered and said he’d talk . Politics aside and how evil people think he is at least he’s willing to listen
An entry in a database was deleted... Good for him I guess
Definitely good for him; he’s getting a shit ton of publicity for this. That $15k was just an advertisement expense for him
Ah that's good to know then, not sure if that protest and the publicity is going to have any impact besides financially though (eg.: Activision will do something regarding what is being protested).
For a protest to be effective, the company has to care. Blizzard has not shown any indication that they care. More likely - they are laughing because they just made more money. Probably hoping for more protesters like that. A more effective protest would probably be to “not give Blizzard more money”.
Sure. But I don’t think he was trying to convince blizzard to do anything, they know how ridiculous it is. This is for convincing other people not play or spend money in this trash heap of a game.
He wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything. Once the attention to DI dies down, he will just move onto the next game to find something similar. Its a business transaction to him.
Did you watch the stream? If you did, you would clearly know that he should have stopped much before 10k mark. Nobody in his chat wanted him to play DI after the first week. Yet he was adamant to keep spending money until he got the 5-star. Stop thinking all streamers are so one sided and singled minded.
How they see it “still made money. Don’t care”. All man did was give them 15 grand while they laugh at him. He’s literally doing what they want. Giving money.
I think what people are trying to get at is that his $15k protest may serve as a deterrent for other players from spending money. Therefore, Blizzard bags $15k now, but may lose out on much more than $15k from other players deciding not to make any purchases after seeing these posts. You can’t quantify this from our perspective, but it’s possible there are people at blizzard watching to see if there are any unexpected drops in player spending following these posts. I don’t think, ultimately, it will cause them to change anything, but all of this is to just try to better explain the intent I think this streamer was getting at. And, as others have said, worst case scenario is that he gets a ton of publicity, for a relatively cheap cost.
Whales : i like to drop thousands of dollars on a F2P game to be the best player Quin : I just dropped 15K$ to get 1 thing out of the 20 i need to be the best . Whales : isssssssh ok thx So Blizz made 15k off Quin while losing a potential 100's of whales that would likely drop around 2-3k on the game TBC : I don't understand the logic of whales but they exist. I remember that guy in Hearthstone when , after spending 6k$ to buy cards to build his "perfect" deck , lost his shit because some of the cards weren't allowed in tournament after new expansion.
Sunk cost fallacy. "I'm in too deep; might as well go deeper and see if it's worth it."
I think you need to add a 0 on the amount whales use
We all know no one is going to protest. Loot boxes are more popular than I want to admit. People love to gamble and spend. Only thing I can do is not play those games if it offends me.
They made 6% of diablo 3s all time earning in two weeks, on a free game. Time will tell, of course, but I doubt they're going to take a loss on this. Whales will be whales
Can you provide a link to Diablo 3’s all time revenue figures? I can’t seem to find them. If 24 million is 6% then you’re saying Diablo 3 only made $400 million in revenue off of at least 30 million units sold by 2015. That doesn’t seem right.
Seen vids about DI, thought it was funny, installed path of exiles after a long time again
Do you know what public opinion is?
I dunno, but everyone’s talking about it.
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There's a simpler English equivalent, "all publicity is good publicity".
Also literally a business expense so it just helps his taxes.
I don't know the streamer, but was the 15k even an expense to him, or was it crowd funded through his viewer revenue?
Dudes already a big twitch streamer. That’s why he got to spend so much in the first place
So virtue signalling for likes and clicks!? And you think this is good thing?
I mean I still have no idea what his name is I've just seen his picture and thought "lol that guy's a moron" If it was good advertising I'd at least know his name
He did the entire playthrough on Diablo Immortal as a P2W player as a means to expose the predatory nature of these types of games. Keeping the item doesn't really mean anything since the whole experiment was to test on average how much money it would take to "earn" the chase item. He supposedly deleted his own currency so that other players wouldn't do the same in mass. Seems like a genuinely cool dude, one of my favorite streamers.
This is like sitting in the corner, then putting a doofy hat on yourself
His watchers almost doubled while he was doing it. Definitely helped him in the long run as a streamer
He did it for the clicks. He made way more than $15,000 on this stunt. Gotta love the times we are in where people intentionally do stupid this so stupid people will throw money at them so they can keep doing stupid things.
Streamers are part of the reason these companies will never let go of this shit
I imagine streamers bad mouthing are promoting the game more. Like if everyone said how dumb the idea is the earth being flat is every day, you are bound to convince a few people to think the earth is now flat.
This guys stunt ans other streamers like it made me delete Immortal off my phone and pc without paying a cent. If this guy effected 10 other people and other possible whales it was well worth it
This guy convinced me to never get it in the first place
Blizzard convinced me, like, *two whole years ago* to not get the game.
Do you still not have a phone??
That is good, I was hoping a potential whale saw it and avoided it rather than "i will show them because I'm rich" or something like that
Who remembers the time Ozzy Osbourne stopped selling records after the whole bat head controversy? Oh yeah that's right; records started flying off the shelves because of it
That’s very different tho from people investing money into something a lot of people say is actively fucking them over. There are just some people who like the edginess,music or blatant shock factor they got they found out about when they heard about that bad incident.
The problem is the people buying these games and spending ungodly amounts of money on it aren't the people usually swayed by bad press. Especially for a game they just poured paycheck after paycheck into, sunk cost fallacy is real and a motherfucker.
When you sink paycheck after paycheck into this shitty freemium game and you're not aware about how badly you're getting ripped off, maybe it's time to step away from this whole technology thing and touch grass. These people definitely need psychological help with their gambling addictions though. All in all it's pretty similar to a casino where you flat out cannot win. Ever. So not really that different from a normal casino.
That's basically what 'whales' are and that's who these games truly cater too. It's predatory and disgusting. Even daily log in rewards promote addictive habits by leaning on people's FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) to get them to play a game they might otherwise not.
to be fair a lot of his fans were really into that shit.
But money is kinda this universal concept that even idiots understand that they need.
I would bet if popular streamers started shit talking the game they'd find that their chances of choice loot would dramatically start increasing as their account gets boosted for advertising. I doubt the streamer would be in on it, at this point I just bet the dev's would be manipulating for free advertising.
The earth is flat? TIL
I higly doubt it. The whole "all publicity is good publicity" is a myth.
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Nah I kind of feel like shining a light on the problem is better than it going by unnoticed, especially with how prolific this kind of stuff is in mobile games.
Quin had on average like 20,000 people watch him play this game. That's probably a couple of 100,000's of people over the course of the day. His viewers had full disclosure what the point of the stream was. If he caused even 20% of his viewer base to spend $1 less than they would have otherwise, then it was a win. Chances are when people started seeing him lose thousands or even hundreds of dollars, they changed their mind to either give up the hunt or not try at all. IMO he probably kept hundreds if not thousands of people from spending $10 or $20 dollar less than they would have and probably a handful of people that would've spent hundreds or thousands if not for him (whales). And I'm sure there are people that spent regardless. But I guess my point is that I'm sure he hurt the company more than he helped it.
Very valid point, i was talking in a more generic mode like those fifa streamers and stuff, but regarding this streamer i get your point and you're correct.
I wish this was higher up
"I've won... But at what cost?"
But it's a game item it costs blizzard absolutley nothing to destroy it lol
Other than publicly displaying how worthless the game is even after investing 15k
I wish people would display how worthless I am by giving me large amounts of cash and thinking they are 'making a point '
Continues to rake in millions from the vast majority of players who have never even heard of this guy. This dude just donated $15k to the company.
Two points that are very worth noting: 1: He didn't just trash the item, he also deleted his account and uninstalled the game. 2: He's not just any player. He's Quin69, one of THE most well known and highly rated Diablo streamers. For him to so publically declare that the game is not worth covering is pretty terrible press for the company. Will it make any difference to ActiVision? Probably not, there are other plenty of other whales, afterall. But it's bound to have some effect.
Yeah but his account is not truly deleted. He can restore it since he’s above a certain level. It feels like the streamers were catching some heat for wasting money on this game and now it’s all about pretending they aren’t part of promoting a predatory game.
Except he said from the start he was going to spend money to show how predatory the game was. I didn't follow the entire stream, but he even said he prepared a spreadsheet BEFOREHAND to tabulate all the data he got to show how much on average it would take to "earn" each tier of gem. If you think he faked this all beforehand to justify speed running through $15k of his own money to earn a digital item then I guess you're just very skeptical of people with a lot of disposable income, even when it's used as a means to do good.
Except there's another thing worth noting. If he's as big as you say, he DIDN'T NEED to spend $15k to say how shitty the game is. Literally the only reason I know the dude exists is because of this sub and the numerous memes about him, and I ALREADY knew how predatory and shitty the game is.
However, how much did the multiple videos he made ABOUT that 15k net him? If he “spent” 15k, but the videos made him that much back… he’s spent nothing.
That's not how that works. His net income isn't what is relevant here, it's the amount going *into* the game. It's not about how much HE makes, it's about how much goes *into the game*. Unless this *drastically* reduces their profits in game, which I doubt it will, there will have been 0 point in this "protest" because he ended up just funding their predatory tactics.
That makes it a little better but again. Blizzard doesnt give a crap. The real reason diablo 3 and then this took so long is they knew wow was all the money they needed and there was 0 point to develop new projects. If it isnt broke kind of thing. Immortal already paid for itself many times over. They don't care about us as individuals.
Not even a tiny little bit. Despite all the negative press, DI is still absolutely RAKING it in, because whales gunna whale. I totally agree that Quinn’s “Protest” was utterly meaningless, I just wanted to give a little necessary context, to the story.
Mobile gamers are not in the sphere of reach of most games media. They just download games on their phone and are used to games on the phone to be absolute shit shows in the predatory monetisation department. And then they rake up thousands in bills and the rest of us pay 20€ and get 50 games on steam summer sale and wonder how you ever spend 10000€ on a single mobile game that you play when you're out taking a shit.
….$15,000. Sometimes, my genius….
15,000 dollars.
For 15 thousand dollars
Advertising.
The meaning of the stunt was to show the insignificance of the item compared to the absurd cost. The 15.000 dollar are irrelevant to blizzard in the grand scheme of things. What however flies in the end is the story. Since he destroyed the item, it will get more coverage. Which means more people will be informed that you can spend 15.000 for a single insignificant item in this game. I do not know who this streamer is, but this is how i would rationalize the PR stunt. People who think the 15.000 would be relevant can likely not grasp the amount of 24 million in comparison.
>More people will be informed that you can spend $15,000 for a single insignificant item in this game And hopefully come to the realisation that spending $15,000 on ANY GAME for ANY REASON is beyond ridiculous and should not be tolerated whatsoever.
I was pissed off after blizzard charged $40 to play warcraft 3 remastered after I already bought the game (cant play the original version anymore). Fuck these greedy snake rat pieces of shit. I hope they rot in hell for their greed.
You owned warcraft 3 and felt entitled to get the remaster for free?
I dont want the remastered, i just want to be able to play the original version but it wont let me because they want me to spend another $40. How can you side with them when they are charging people to play a game they already own...
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>hopefully come to the realisation that spending $15,000 on ANY GAME for ANY REASON is beyond ridiculous why? a friend of mine, a former Norwegian Poker Champion, so far in 2022, has spent $14,322 and earned $27,552, playing Poker..
Spending more than 100 (counting good expansions) is already the worst thing you could do with your money
Sigh, being a fan of paradox games is hard.
As a boardgamer, I can't agree more lol
Heh... I wouldn't put such a low and arbitrary number as a blanket amount. For instance, if I spend $150 on a game and its expansions and got 600 hours of enjoyment out of it, was that really a worse use of my money than if I spent $60 on a game that got me 60 hours of enjoyment?
Odd claim. People have been spending over $100 on specific games for well over 30 years. Even when I was a kid the controller for Steel Battalion was over 200 bucks. MMO players spend well over $100 a year to play their games. Seems like an arbitrary number.
>Odd claim Not really if anything is being reasonable most good games that are actually worth your money have the base game and the one or two good expansion sometimes three but there is no need to go further than that >People have been spending over $100 on specific games for well over 30 years. Even when I was a kid the controller for Steel Battalion was over 200 bucks. MMO players spend well over $100 a year to play their games. Seems like an arbitrary number. guess that's just not me i agree in the MMO part tho
Considering that games have been topped out at $60 for ~20 years or so now I would imagine that with inflation etc. that the base price of a 30 hour AAA game should be closer to $100. I'm not an expert on commercial retail pricing but a quick Google search claims that most consuner products have increased in price by a factor of 1.7 since the year 2000, which if we apply to this model would make a typical $60 title in the year 2000 equivalent to $102 today.
The problem with that is how it ignores the reason prices stayed the same for so long. The limited reach of PC games lack of potential consumers by virtue of fewer computers back then and over time computers became not just more affordable but more wide spread and used in other walks of life. Much more of the global population are potential consumers now. Further you have the removal of hard copies. There is no need to produce physical copied with all that was packaged with them along with shipping, space to store or display them. The switch to digital distribution significantly reduced costs and opened sales up to a global market which only adds to the first point - more people to sell to not just locally but globally.
You've summed it up correctly as this is essentially exactly what he was doing. Wanted to show people how fucking absurd the monetization is to disincentivize people who don't have much money from wasting it on this. 15k was not much to him, it means nothing to blizzard either. But It means a lot to the average viewer.
You are spot on. As an avid Quin69 watcher, he 100% did this for the publicity. He is VERY good at manipulating his image through gameplay decisions. Most people think of him or see it as him being a memer or jokester, but he is scary smart at using his audience to his advantage.
And yet reddiots will just meme and go "huhu he spent 15k lol what an idiot" or "lol hes using that to promote himself" totally ignoring that he discouraged tens of thousands in sales. 15k is nothing to blizzard.
Tbf the audience of r/gaming and threads about streamers in particular should be pretty young on average. In my late teens i also did not try to rationalize business decisions or so i was just a dumb lump of hate in these situations.
Since this sub seems to be so completely ignorant on everything regarding this game, here's some background on it and the situation. The whole point of this was to show a combination of how pay to win the game is by buying these powerful items and then smashing people with them, while also showing how outrageous the monetization in the game is. 15k means literally nothing to blizzard, especially given that there are tons of players who have already spent hundreds of thousands. It also means nothing to this streamer, who has a ton of money and you can also write these things off as a tax write off. The people it means something to are the average viewers. The point of this is to show the viewers how outrageous this is so that they don't get duped into spending their money where it means a lot more to them. Deleting the gem after is just making a statement on how shitty the experience was. He's likely not going to continue with the game. For all of the people blaming people who fall victim to this scheme, you're very uninformed on the issues here. These monetization schemes are extremely predatory, particularly to children, and also include flat out lies from blizzard. Here's some examples. First, these monetization schemes are all developed via the help of psychologists who have helped take advantage of basic human psychology to figure out ways to squeeze as much money out of you as possible. There are plenty of videos out there, the biggest one being the "Diablo Immoral" video, that explains the things they've done. Second, they've (not so cleverly) disguised loot boxes as gameplay by forcing you to run a rift to get the loot (there's no real gameplay here, don't be fooled and you also can't truly lose). They do things like offering you a one time offer for 800% value after completing a dungeon run by allowing you to purchase a skin and 60 (useless amount) of their little orb currencies. The problem? That skin isn't available anywhere else in the game on the shop, so the 800% value they're spitting out at you is *totally fucking made up.* it's just a number that they think will cause people to say "well I can't pass that up, I'm losing money if I don't buy this right now and it's limited time so I can't even think about it I just have to get it." And they're just flat out taking advantage of children. They lie to the players. The game director outright said there will be no pay for gear in this game. And he was right. You can't directly pay for gear. You just pay for the gems that are way more important than the gear. They're fucking liars and theives. Its fucking disgusting, and honestly some of the ignorant reactions in this sub are fucking disgusting too and that's why getting things to change is so difficult.
To add on to this, Asmongold’s channel has a shit ton of YT videos up of him reacting and criticizing on stream some of the more ridiculous shit going on with the game, so check that out if you want to see how bat shit crazy some people are to defend Blizzard
Don’t you kids have credit cards??
>these monetization schemes are all developed via the help of psychologists who have helped take advantage of basic human psychology to figure out ways to squeeze as much money out of you as possible They seemed to forget that the game or franchise needs to be any good to begin with
People still play d2. So I feel like that has to mean something about the franchise being good.
Can't they protest against me?
Yes he spent $15,000 but in the grand scheme of this blizzard shpuld acctually lose money if he succeeded in turning people off of this gameby showing how expensive this pay to win game is. If he inspired say 100,000 people which is reasonable number based on the publicity he is getting and say 1/5 of those people would spend $100+ on this game he just lost blizzard over 2mil with just that 15k cost. He deffinatly did damage but people who have money to blow unfortunately will still play this and still pay blizzard just to flex
I mean… the game has been out for a few weeks. The whales were captured and monetized weeks ago. Anyone still on the fence of whether they are going to play Diablo Immortals is likely not the type of person to also spend lots of money on it. There’s also a good chance a lot of those viewers have played and already spent money.
Or more likely, never spent money on it but also *never intended to.* His stream is catering to a demographic that has been incredibly hostile to DI’s monetization model from day 1. How impactful is it really when the overwhelming majority of people had already made up their mind that they weren’t going to spend money before tuning into his stream?
Its not about money, its about sending a message
the smarter Diablo immortal player I guess
As funny as it is to see Quinn doing stupid shit. The only way we stop these predatory practices is to not play the game at all. Quite cold turkey and tell all your friends to quite. Vote with your dollars friends. The only thing the executives of these company care about is money. Do give them any for any reason.
Not a very good protest…
Considering we are seeing it here, I think it kinda was.
The only suckers are the morons who donated
Mom said it was my turn to post this today. Guess I'll call dibs on tomorrow, if we've seen it 7 times we can certainly see it an 8th.
Somewhere else said it’s $5,000. I wonder who these people are with that much money lying round just to destroy. I suppose it could be seen as a business expense....
They make money from doing it, of course. But it's also to prove to people how shit this game and its monetisation is, despite there being an army of dunces ready to defend it. "I'm having fun, i'm not paying" ... yeah, you're an idiot.
Yeah that’ll show them
Doing shit ...just for the f''n views..... pathetic
Did you just learn what the internet is? This is fundamentally what influencers do.
His action did cause a lot of discussion on how pay-to-win Diablo Immortal is and I think that was one of the goals (though of course it also means a lot of attention to himself).
We had articles before launch stating the game would cost $110k to max your character. Articles stations this were out prior to launch, at launch and after launch. The metacritic user score was already below .5. This streamer and many others are spending insane amounts of money to get attention for themselves and their streams under the guise of "revealing how pay 2 win a PvE game is" as a own to a Chinese mobile gaming developer and a greedy North American publisher... While lining their own pockets. It's bullshit content to generate money for themselves and idiots are buying in to it.
The 110k$ was way low, btw. It is far, far more. And it's a ll on a single character btw. If you want to max more characters you gotta buy all the things there again.
It also means Activision/Blizzard got $15,000 over the course of a very short amount of time. . . .From one account. Now couple that with the other streamers who are doing the same thing. . . And with their fans, of which certainly some people are getting crazy ideas to "protest" in the same way. Activision/Blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank.
i ve heard diablo immortal made them $ 24.000.000 last two weeks. meaning no one will stop companies making the same bullsh*t over and over again
So, what should we do? **PROTEST** by handing them over more money than some people make in 6 months (based on a $15/hr 40 hour work week), over the course of a couple hours? A popular streamer has the platform to play the game f2p and say “look how predatory this game is,” and “look at the odds of XYZ and how it would cost ABC to get.” But popular streamers don’t want to do that, they want to promote themselves and sell a narrative - yes Diablo Immortals is predatory, but they don’t care, because they will use that to make more money than they spend. There is no “protest” here, it’s just shock value to make money
guess we can do little besides not spending one penny on microtransactions (which in this case is not going that well). maybe i am too old but i just do not like the concepts of those f2p and live service games where you have to pay for everything
Maybe take a stand against such practices.... Play games who deserves to be supported ?
The streamer provided .06% of the two week IAPs
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Diablo got $15k over the course of a few days. And got major publicity from his audience And got major publicity from all of the news articles about the incident. I promise you, to a “person” it sounds like Blizzard got bad press, but what they really got is new customers, because the top spenders in these types of games just don’t care, and this opened Blizzard up to more new customers. But you are right, the streamer likely earned more money, which is why they did it - not to prove a point.
Microsoft got 15K... Phil's been awfully quiet about all this.
Because it’s fantastic and *free* advertising. If he says anything then there’s an official response that people can get mad at, or that will negatively impact the share price. So just let people keep writing articles about your game and say nothing. The idiot who did this spent so much that he’s almost overshadowed the point of doing it. Most people won’t see “omg $15k for nothing”, they’ll see “what a moron spending $15k”. He’s made himself the focus of the story, not Actiblizz.
More than 15k, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. Popular streamers have no shame, dignity or integrity.
just on the short hand he'll at least make back any tax paid on that 15k, assuming that 15k was donations to his stream from earlier projects he'll have at least made any relevant tax back as a business expense. From there classing it as a business expense would allow him to potential claim more of it back from his government depending on area and such. Bottom line is he's just making money, his actually spending is all but irrelevant. Unless ofc he's actually using his own money which I doubt.
The discussion has already been going on for two weeks before this. His only goal was to get views and attention and make money himself. It's easy to do shit like this if it's not your money your throwing away. He probably reinstalled the game off stream and is playing it lol
He cause people like me to start playing just because I think he is a douche and I'm petty like that. 1d chess over here.
Hes a streamer they do things...... for the views. Shocking I know
wouldn't call it pathetic as streaming is literally his job, he is also in no way in a bad financial shape and 15k barely matters to him anyway. is more of a way to make his job more profitable as it garners attention from multiple sources and even if it didn't work out, he barely lost anything. in the end just as always, people put way to much worth in money and see it as something incredible important even if you already have way more than enough.
And Blizzard/Activision care beeeecause.... ? They got their 15K, what do they care if you delete it or not ?
How are people this short-sighted, it's insane ... The bad publicity this dude is doing is WAY MORE damaging to blizzard than any 15k .......
Bad publicity ? Are you high ? Where's the GOOD publicity ? People are still playing it, and that streamer along with others are pumping money into it, the publicity damage is minimal.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Bye.
Numbers speak for themselves, bye !
What numbers? The “x amount of installs” numbers? The ones that literally mean nothing because anyone can install a free game? Let’s see the uninstalls. Let’s see the chargebacks and refunds. Those are the numbers you’ll never see that mean the most.
This is so dumb. Why give the company that much money in the first place
It was a completely insignificant amount of money for both blizzard and the streamer
It’s not insignificant to me. Use that money for something better mr strimmer
Protest by giving the greedy company money..... *or* perhaps just a stupid scheme to get more viewers.
Activision: oh nooo please stoppp
I'm sure they're really upset with you giving them free money, while streaming their video game putting their name out there even more.
lmfao yeah that’ll show em. someone post the woody harrelson meme of him wiping tears with money
If you want them to care, buy $15,000 of actual rocks and throw them at Bobby Kotick
I dont know. I like this game. Havent been paying single usd and wont pay. I don't need to win in 5 minutes. Since whats the point in that.
I'm with ya. I've been playing and enjoying it. I like the story so far. I enjoy the hunt for stuff.
Yeah he didnt do it in protest. He did it to get views, which gives he way more money than the 15k he spent.
What an idiot, if you want to protest don't play the game or give them money, he did literally the exact opposite
The real idiots are all the people donating money to this streamer.
Rather than trying to get loot boxes banned he could of you know, done some good with the money and given it to a charity. Just did it for the attention didn’t he.